Re: Pain in Hips

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Well, first of all Rose. How is your mother???????

Second of all. Have you noticed it worsening since using the Chi machine? I

would think that would make it better.

Donna

Pain in Hips

List,

I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice when I sit

for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips. They

seem to be 'locked'. I have to walk bent over and as if my legs were

asleep. And it is extremely painful. It is getting worse and worse over

the years and I'm afraid if this keeps up, one day I won't be able to walk

at all.

I have some MSM that I haven't been taking for awhile now. I'm going to

start on that again. I was thinking that a FIR unit may help me.

Any suggestions from anyone on this? Any idea what this might be?

GypsyRose

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Hi Rose. I prayed for your mom for about an hour after you hung up and I didn't

feel like I could get any further than praying for peace for her and strength

for her and freedom from infection. I really didn't feel like I could stop the

whole " yank the gall bladder out " program that was in motion. But I am glad

she is recovering and I am sure as the years pass she will slowly come to see

the wisdom in her daughter.

On the hips thing. From reading all your posts about how you sit alot etc. I

think it is as simple as lack of circulation. This is a simple thing that can

lead to major malfunctions, like arthritis. In this case it causes lack of

oxygen, which means the cells don't funtion at peak performance, which means

that minerals in your cells fall out of solution, mainly calcium, and an

arthritic condition results. The good news is that the chi machine will undue

this. Anything that gets the lymph moving will increase the oxygen to the area

which mixes with the glucose to make ATP which turns the mitochondria on which

rotates the minerals and it will actually move calcium deposits out. If you

work at a computer you might want to take a break every hour and do some hip

stroking and movements that increase circulation to that area (be creative and

hope no one is looking, chuckle) and the body will fix itself. And of course

use the chi machine every day, twice if you can.

Hey, how about a nice seat vibrator. Could be a little distracting. LOL

Donna

Re: Pain in Hips

Donna,

It has been getting better since using the Chi Machine for sure.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rose

I hate to say this but it sounds like it could be the start of arthritis

in your hips.Try taking glucosamine. I take the extra strength 1000mg My

knees are sort of like that. Or you could get the combination with

condroitin (sp)

Serita

[Guest guest]

Donna,

It has been getting better since using the Chi Machine for sure. What

really made me realize that I needed to give this more attention was my

recent road trip with my Mom to S.D.. I did alot of driving. Over 3600

miles!!! Long hours in the car and when I would stop for gas, eat or go to

the bathroom I would get out of the car and have to stand right there

holding onto the door and the seat for several minutes until my hips

unlocked and I could move and even then I was in pain. I decided when I got

back that I would look into this. Makes me think of Arthritis. Could I

have it in my hips?

As for my Mom, thanks for asking and thanks to all who gave advice. She

wound up having her Gallbladder removed without trying anything else. She

is one of 'those' who is just that way. She doesn't believe you can flush

out stones and cleanse your organs. Even after I was in Philly last year to

help my Grandmother when she was in the hospital with Gallstones. I had her

check out and go home and I went there and helped her do the cleanse. When

I left I asked my Mom to repeat the cleanse on my Grandmother in two weeks

and also to do it for herself. She never did either. When I mentioned this

to her and reminded her that if she had done that, she could have most

likely prevented this recent attack and the removal of her Gallbladder, her

response was that she did not believe in the cleansing, that nobody she

knows ever heard of it and that no doctor that she asked about it had ever

heard of it and so it couldn't be true. She also believes that you don't

need a gallbladder and that there will be no future health problems related

to it's removal and that she need not change her diet now that she no longer

has one. What do you say to that? I tried - I give up! Who knew we were

up against all that when we were trying to help her? She's still my Mother

and I love her and it IS her body and her descision. I just wish she had

listened long ago when we were doing this with my Grandmother who is still

fine and hasn't had any problems withe her gallbladder since and I plan to

help her do a cleanse each time I visit. That would be at least once a year

which is better than not at all.

Thanks again,

GypsyRose

Well, first of all Rose. How is your mother???????

Second of all. Have you noticed it worsening since using the Chi machine?

I would think that would make it better.

Donna

Pain in Hips

List,

I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice when I

sit

for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips.

They

seem to be 'locked'. I have to walk bent over and as if my legs were

asleep. And it is extremely painful. It is getting worse and worse over

the years and I'm afraid if this keeps up, one day I won't be able to

walk

at all.

I have some MSM that I haven't been taking for awhile now. I'm going to

start on that again. I was thinking that a FIR unit may help me.

Any suggestions from anyone on this? Any idea what this might be?

GypsyRose

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> List,

>

.. I have to walk bent over and as if my legs were

> asleep. And it is extremely painful. It is getting worse and

worse over

> the years and I'm afraid if this keeps up, one day I won't be able

to walk

> at all.

>

> GypsyRose

You should see a doctor for a DX so you know what you are dealing

with.

If it turns out to be just arthritis, pick up some plain gelatin (

which is classified as type I collagen )at the grocery store and take

a couple of tablespoons full every day. It may start working in 2

days or it might take 2 months, or it might not work at all. It is

strange how everything varies from person to person. I do know people

that swear by it though.

Now, if I had arthritis and that didn't work, I would then opt for

the more expensive type II collagen which is said to be more

effective for rheumatoid arthritis. Jarrow is the only one I know of

that has it at reasonable cost. And I would certainly take a little

MSM that you mentioned.

Dick

[Guest guest]

Yes, I had forgotten all about plain Knox Gelatin We took that years ago

to make our fingernails stronger It might work for joints, too..

Thanks for the reminder, Dick!

Serita

[Guest guest]

> Yes, I had forgotten all about plain Knox Gelatin We took that

years ago

> to make our fingernails stronger It might work for joints, too..

> Thanks for the reminder, Dick!

>

> Serita

It doesn't have to be Knox gelatin $$$. A friend buys it in bulk

somewhere for around 4 dollars a pound. His fingers are really bent

from the previous damage, but no pain and is able to work normally.

Dick

[Guest guest]

>

>

>I have some MSM that I haven't been taking for awhile now. I'm going to

>start on that again. I was thinking that a FIR unit may help me.

>

>Any suggestions from anyone on this? Any idea what this might be?

Hi Gypsy Rose,

you might try getting some bodywork. I had a similar thing going on a few

years ago, walking like an old lady and I'm not! my sacrum was very locked

up. I get myofascial release and cranial work and have also used a sacral

wedge when driving and when it gets really tight. Also noticed that the

hips were at their worst when I was eating a diet with junk food, more fats

that weren't good fats.

I would be happy to give you the name of a therapist in your area doing

myofascial release if you would like, just let me know where you are.

It could be from old injuries, surgical scars, accidents, any traumas.

take care

Antonia

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http://www.Body-dynamics.com

920-868-9599

[Guest guest]

Antonia,

I'm in Southern CA - Orange County Area

> >

> >

> >I have some MSM that I haven't been taking for awhile now. I'm

going to

> >start on that again. I was thinking that a FIR unit may help me.

> >

> >Any suggestions from anyone on this? Any idea what this might be?

> Hi Gypsy Rose,

> you might try getting some bodywork. I had a similar thing going on

a few

> years ago, walking like an old lady and I'm not! my sacrum was very

locked

> up. I get myofascial release and cranial work and have also used a

sacral

> wedge when driving and when it gets really tight. Also noticed that

the

> hips were at their worst when I was eating a diet with junk food,

more fats

> that weren't good fats.

> I would be happy to give you the name of a therapist in your area

doing

> myofascial release if you would like, just let me know where you

are.

> It could be from old injuries, surgical scars, accidents, any

traumas.

> take care

> Antonia

> --

> Antonia

> Breakthrough Coaching

> http://www.Body-dynamics.com

> 920-868-9599

[Guest guest]

> Hi Rose

> I hate to say this but it sounds like it could be the start of

arthritis

> in your hips.Try taking glucosamine. I take the extra strength

1000mg My

> knees are sort of like that. Or you could get the combination with

> condroitin (sp)

>

> Serita

This is sort of like taking DHEA directly into the body, which

normally means that your body will tend stop manufacturing it on its

own. The trick is to find a substance that the body can use to

manufacture it (Gluscosaminen & Condroitin) on its own. According to

Dr. Wallach, type I and type II collagen does just that. He is

not involved in selling it, and it is cheap. That is what caught my

attention to begin with not to mention his Nobel prize on Cystic

fibrosis research.

Dick

[Guest guest]

Hi Dorothy. I have seem many, many testimonies of people who used a rebounder

to rid their entire body of arthritis. It is the most effective exercise known

to man, according to scientific research. And definitely the best lymphatic

mover.

Blessings

Donna

Re: Pain in Hips

In a message dated 8/13/03 3:35:26 PM, gypsy___rose@... writes:

<< I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice when I

sit

for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips. They

seem to be 'locked'. >>

I have had osteoarthritis for many years, mainly in my feet and ankles at

first,

but glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin and MSM eliminated the stiffness and then

the pain. However, in the past 4-5 months it's gotten pretty bad in my knees

and

though I take those supplements...it doesn't help. I have found that a

number of

people now recommend exercise on a daily basis (this includes physical

therapists)

and I bought a book called ARTHRITIS: What Exercises Work, by Dava Sobel &

Arthur

C. Klein. The authors did a nation-wide survey of people who use exercise for

arthritis and the ones included in the book are the ones that worked the best

for

the most people. There are sections for various parts of the body--and the one

for hips is 13 pages of exercises. I can't say that it's great fun to do

them every

day, but if you can stay with it....it is totally non-invasive, you don't

need drugs or

a doctor....and it seems to be the best thing going. Or, you could go to a

physical

therapist. Also, the book includes exercises to do in a swimming pool. I

bought

the book, used, on Amazon for about $2 + shipping.

Dorothy

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This is part of how rebounding helps so greatly. It alkalizes the system by

moving trapped and clustered blood proteins out of the interstitial spaces.

These proteins increase acidity, so by moving them out, alkaline balance is

restored. In addition, the excess fluid that hangs around these trapped

proteins gets moved out also and the correct subatmospheric cellular enviroment

is restored and oxygen is able to get to our cells better and combine with

glucose and make atp to turn on the mitochondria which gets the minerals working

and the cells firing properly and healing takes place. Yipeeeee!

So bounce and breathe. Or wiggle and breathe or dry brush and breath or light

stroke and breath, or all of the above. Breath DEEP now and again.

Blessings

Donna

Re: Pain in Hips

>

> In a message dated 8/13/03 3:35:26 PM, gypsy___rose@... writes:

>

> << I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice when I

> sit

> for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips.

They

> seem to be 'locked'. >>

>

> I have had osteoarthritis for many years, mainly in my feet and ankles at

> first,

> but glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin and MSM eliminated the stiffness and

then

> the pain. However, in the past 4-5 months it's gotten pretty bad in my

knees

> and

> though I take those supplements...it doesn't help. I have found that a

> number of

> people now recommend exercise on a daily basis (this includes physical

> therapists)

> and I bought a book called ARTHRITIS: What Exercises Work, by Dava Sobel

&

> Arthur

> C. Klein. The authors did a nation-wide survey of people who use exercise

for

> arthritis and the ones included in the book are the ones that worked the

best

> for

> the most people. There are sections for various parts of the body--and the

one

> for hips is 13 pages of exercises. I can't say that it's great fun to do

> them every

> day, but if you can stay with it....it is totally non-invasive, you don't

> need drugs or

> a doctor....and it seems to be the best thing going. Or, you could go to

a

> physical

> therapist. Also, the book includes exercises to do in a swimming pool. I

> bought

> the book, used, on Amazon for about $2 + shipping.

> Dorothy

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/13/03 3:35:26 PM, gypsy___rose@... writes:

<< I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice when I

sit

for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips. They

seem to be 'locked'. >>

I have had osteoarthritis for many years, mainly in my feet and ankles at

first,

but glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin and MSM eliminated the stiffness and then

the pain. However, in the past 4-5 months it's gotten pretty bad in my knees

and

though I take those supplements...it doesn't help. I have found that a

number of

people now recommend exercise on a daily basis (this includes physical

therapists)

and I bought a book called ARTHRITIS: What Exercises Work, by Dava Sobel &

Arthur

C. Klein. The authors did a nation-wide survey of people who use exercise for

arthritis and the ones included in the book are the ones that worked the best

for

the most people. There are sections for various parts of the body--and the one

for hips is 13 pages of exercises. I can't say that it's great fun to do

them every

day, but if you can stay with it....it is totally non-invasive, you don't

need drugs or

a doctor....and it seems to be the best thing going. Or, you could go to a

physical

therapist. Also, the book includes exercises to do in a swimming pool. I

bought

the book, used, on Amazon for about $2 + shipping.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

i find it amazing, that nobody seems to realize the simplest connection: A C

I D !!!!

arthritis, rheumatism, fibromyalgia.... are all acid-diseases. if you

alkalize sensibly and long enough, your pains will be gone. it´s so easy.

but you will need the alkalizing minerals in a colloidal form, so that they

can penetrate the cellwalls. (take calcium, magnesium, potassium. and

silica!!)

don´t forget the liver flushes.

do it, and you´ll see!

marlene

Re: Pain in Hips

>

> In a message dated 8/13/03 3:35:26 PM, gypsy___rose@... writes:

>

> << I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice when I

> sit

> for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips.

They

> seem to be 'locked'. >>

>

> I have had osteoarthritis for many years, mainly in my feet and ankles at

> first,

> but glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin and MSM eliminated the stiffness and

then

> the pain. However, in the past 4-5 months it's gotten pretty bad in my

knees

> and

> though I take those supplements...it doesn't help. I have found that a

> number of

> people now recommend exercise on a daily basis (this includes physical

> therapists)

> and I bought a book called ARTHRITIS: What Exercises Work, by Dava Sobel

&

> Arthur

> C. Klein. The authors did a nation-wide survey of people who use exercise

for

> arthritis and the ones included in the book are the ones that worked the

best

> for

> the most people. There are sections for various parts of the body--and the

one

> for hips is 13 pages of exercises. I can't say that it's great fun to do

> them every

> day, but if you can stay with it....it is totally non-invasive, you don't

> need drugs or

> a doctor....and it seems to be the best thing going. Or, you could go to

a

> physical

> therapist. Also, the book includes exercises to do in a swimming pool. I

> bought

> the book, used, on Amazon for about $2 + shipping.

> Dorothy

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Gypsy Rose,

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned simple ice packs. If the pain is

from inflammation, try icying it for 20 minutes twice daily. Sure

there could be underlining factors involved but this simple therapy

truly does help.

I have a friend you was in a car wreck years ago, which damaged her

knees. She needs to have knee replacements, but keeps putting it off

suffering with a whole lot of pain. Doctors put her in therapy and

the thing that she mentioned that helps the most with the pain is

icying them. Don't know how many times she's mentioned how much that

helps. It has even surprised herself.

Gail

> List,

>

> I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now.

[Guest guest]

I have been Rebounding and using my Chi machine and feeling better. I try

to get on the Stairmaster in the gym a few times a week as well. I will

look into getting the book you mention.

GypsyRose

I have had osteoarthritis for many years, mainly in my feet and ankles at

first,

but glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin and MSM eliminated the stiffness and

then

the pain. However, in the past 4-5 months it's gotten pretty bad in my

knees

and

though I take those supplements...it doesn't help. I have found that a

number of

people now recommend exercise on a daily basis (this includes physical

therapists)

and I bought a book called ARTHRITIS: What Exercises Work, by Dava Sobel &

Arthur

C. Klein. The authors did a nation-wide survey of people who use exercise

for

arthritis and the ones included in the book are the ones that worked the

best

for

the most people. There are sections for various parts of the body--and the

one

for hips is 13 pages of exercises. I can't say that it's great fun to do

them every

day, but if you can stay with it....it is totally non-invasive, you don't

need drugs or

a doctor....and it seems to be the best thing going. Or, you could go to a

physical

therapist. Also, the book includes exercises to do in a swimming pool. I

bought

the book, used, on Amazon for about $2 + shipping.

Dorothy

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Do you recommend a product or products? I'm already taking Barefoots Coral

Calcium and Magnesium Orotate.

GypsyRose

i find it amazing, that nobody seems to realize the simplest connection: A C

I D !!!!

arthritis, rheumatism, fibromyalgia.... are all acid-diseases. if you

alkalize sensibly and long enough, your pains will be gone. it´s so easy.

but you will need the alkalizing minerals in a colloidal form, so that they

can penetrate the cellwalls. (take calcium, magnesium, potassium. and

silica!!)

don´t forget the liver flushes.

do it, and you´ll see!

marlene

Re: Pain in Hips

>

> In a message dated 8/13/03 3:35:26 PM, gypsy___rose@... writes:

>

> << I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice when

I

> sit

> for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips.

They

> seem to be 'locked'. >>

>

> I have had osteoarthritis for many years, mainly in my feet and ankles

at

> first,

> but glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin and MSM eliminated the stiffness and

then

> the pain. However, in the past 4-5 months it's gotten pretty bad in my

knees

> and

> though I take those supplements...it doesn't help. I have found that a

> number of

> people now recommend exercise on a daily basis (this includes physical

> therapists)

> and I bought a book called ARTHRITIS: What Exercises Work, by Dava Sobel

&

> Arthur

> C. Klein. The authors did a nation-wide survey of people who use exercise

for

> arthritis and the ones included in the book are the ones that worked the

best

> for

> the most people. There are sections for various parts of the body--and

the

one

> for hips is 13 pages of exercises. I can't say that it's great fun to do

> them every

> day, but if you can stay with it....it is totally non-invasive, you don't

> need drugs or

> a doctor....and it seems to be the best thing going. Or, you could go to

a

> physical

> therapist. Also, the book includes exercises to do in a swimming pool.

I

> bought

> the book, used, on Amazon for about $2 + shipping.

> Dorothy

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

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[Guest guest]

> I have been Rebounding<snip>

>

> I have had osteoarthritis for many years,

================

Hi again, Gypsy Rose! (How I love that name!)

Not to be bragging here, but I think we are all getting so very

smart. Well, maybe some are smarter than others, but we're all

learning from one another!

Ok, some more science behind the rebounding. According to Dr. West

all pain, disease, fatigue & even death are caused by trapped blood

proteins. He's so scientific! According to (a

certified reboundologist) from her book, " Rebounding To Better

Health " , I quote:

" According the Arthrities Foundation, " Arthritis is one of the

supreme remaining mysteries of medicine. " With a simple (how I love

simple! lol) description of what arthritis is, I think you'll

understand clearly how rebounding works so effectively in clearing up

arthritic conditions, and you'll stop seeing arthritis as such

a " mystery " .

It is important to understand that the joints of the human body have

no veins or lymphatic tubes. (I never knew that, did you?)

Circulation comes from movement. Movement squeezes old fluid out and

new fluid in.

When a foreign invader enters a joint, lymphocytes, or white blood

cells, come to the site to clean up the inflamed joint. They start

eating, but because the joint isn't being moved, they cannot get out,

so they overeat and spew out toxins that kill cells on the synovial

lining of the joint. (How rude!) More lymphocytes come to the joint,

eat, get trapped, spew toxins, and the situation gets worse. The

white blood cells are just trying to do their job of cleaning up the

dead cells, but because of lack of movement of the joint from pain,

they just cannot get out.

The answer (aren't you glad you asked?) then, from a natural

standpoint, seems to be to find a way to painlessly move that lymph

fluid holding white blood cells full of waste, out of the inflamed

joint, and ultimately, out of the body.

Gentle health bouncing flushes the lymph, the foreign body, the dead

white blood cells and toxins out of the joint. New white blood cells

come in, do their work, but this time, because of repeated bouncing

sessions, they are flushed from the joint before they can spew out

toxins. When the inflammation has subsided, gentle range of motions

exercises re-establish movement to the joint.

Regular health bouncing will stengthen the tendons, ligaments, lining

of the joints, and bones. Circulation is increased, more oxygen is

carried to the cells, and the bones absorb more calcium. All this is

done without pain, shock to the joints, or the inconvenience of

leaving your home.

Start easily and slowly. Health bounce for 1-2 minutes every hour on

the hur, or as many times a day as possible. Remember, if you feel

pain while rebounding, stop, rest, and start again later. Some

people start with 30 seconds of bouncing , and increase slowly to 1-2

minutes. BREIF SESSIONS, SEVERAL TIMES A DAY, ARE MORE THERAPEUTIC

THAN 1 LONG SESSION, BECAUSE OF THE REPEATED MOVEMENT OF LYMPH AND

INCREASED PRODUCTION OF WHITE BLOOD CELLS. "

Sorry this is so long but it just keeps getting better. now

goes into osteoporosis, and I quote:

" Osteoporosis occurs when there is more absorption of minerals from

the cells than the deposition of minerals to the cells. Rebound

exercise provides an avenue for stressing the bones to become dense

and strong. The acceleration and deceleration, combined with the

increased pull of gravity, stresses the bone cells so more mineral

deposition takes place.

Brief periods of health bouncing and jogging is an excellent way to

build bone density to prevent this dreaded disease. If osteoporosis

is already present, then beginning a rebounding program and consuming

a healthy, whole foods diet with fresh flax seed oil (now how about

that! I've always associated osteoporosis with lack of calcium.

See! I told you we're just getting smarter and smarter!) added will

give you very basic building blocks for strong bones. "

Gail

[Guest guest]

The rebounder and chi machne that she has will remove cellular acidity and

restore alkalinity by moving out trapped blood proteins. Works like a charm.

I have done coral and orotates and colloidals and, for me, the coral and

orotates won hands down. Colloidals were like nothing. A total non event.

But, in the universe we live in, I am sure there are people who have had the

exact opposite experience.

Blessings

Donna

Re: Pain in Hips

>

>

> >

> > In a message dated 8/13/03 3:35:26 PM, gypsy___rose@... writes:

> >

> > << I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice

when

> I

> > sit

> > for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips.

> They

> > seem to be 'locked'. >>

> >

> > I have had osteoarthritis for many years, mainly in my feet and ankles

> at

> > first,

> > but glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin and MSM eliminated the stiffness

and

> then

> > the pain. However, in the past 4-5 months it's gotten pretty bad in my

> knees

> > and

> > though I take those supplements...it doesn't help. I have found that a

> > number of

> > people now recommend exercise on a daily basis (this includes physical

> > therapists)

> > and I bought a book called ARTHRITIS: What Exercises Work, by Dava

Sobel

> &

> > Arthur

> > C. Klein. The authors did a nation-wide survey of people who use

exercise

> for

> > arthritis and the ones included in the book are the ones that worked

the

> best

> > for

> > the most people. There are sections for various parts of the body--and

> the

> one

> > for hips is 13 pages of exercises. I can't say that it's great fun to

do

> > them every

> > day, but if you can stay with it....it is totally non-invasive, you

don't

> > need drugs or

> > a doctor....and it seems to be the best thing going. Or, you could go

to

> a

> > physical

> > therapist. Also, the book includes exercises to do in a swimming pool.

> I

>

> > bought

> > the book, used, on Amazon for about $2 + shipping.

> > Dorothy

> >

> >

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

> other alternative self-help subjects.

> >

> > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

> >

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your

> own risk. Self-help requires int

> > elligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for

your

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> > re a researcher or health care provider.

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[Guest guest]

dear gypsyrose,

i´m just recommending colloidal product.

i think, coral calcium does not penetrate cell walls (from my experience),

neither does orotate (chelated minerals), and that´s exactly the point. see,

if you can find those minerals in colloidal and pure form. the first time

you take them, you will experience a shortterm but dramatic increase of

pain. if so, then you know, it´s getting, where it is desperately needed.

drinking lots and lots of water eases the pain, when you are experiencing

this.

i have no idea, if you can find something like this in the usa. we have a

product here in germany called osiba.

good luck

marlene

ps: of course, msm and glucosamine and chondroitin are a good choice, but

they don´t solve the intracellular acid problem.

for that it takes at least colloidal, or nanocolloidal or micronized....

blessings

marlene

Re: Pain in Hips

>

>

> >

> > In a message dated 8/13/03 3:35:26 PM, gypsy___rose@... writes:

> >

> > << I have had a problem with my hips for a few years now. I notice

when

> I

> > sit

> > for any length of time, when I get up, my legs are stiff at the hips.

> They

> > seem to be 'locked'. >>

> >

> > I have had osteoarthritis for many years, mainly in my feet and ankles

> at

> > first,

> > but glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin and MSM eliminated the stiffness

and

> then

> > the pain. However, in the past 4-5 months it's gotten pretty bad in my

> knees

> > and

> > though I take those supplements...it doesn't help. I have found that a

> > number of

> > people now recommend exercise on a daily basis (this includes physical

> > therapists)

> > and I bought a book called ARTHRITIS: What Exercises Work, by Dava

Sobel

> &

> > Arthur

> > C. Klein. The authors did a nation-wide survey of people who use

exercise

> for

> > arthritis and the ones included in the book are the ones that worked

the

> best

> > for

> > the most people. There are sections for various parts of the body--and

> the

> one

> > for hips is 13 pages of exercises. I can't say that it's great fun to

do

> > them every

> > day, but if you can stay with it....it is totally non-invasive, you

don't

> > need drugs or

> > a doctor....and it seems to be the best thing going. Or, you could go

to

> a

> > physical

> > therapist. Also, the book includes exercises to do in a swimming pool.

> I

>

> > bought

> > the book, used, on Amazon for about $2 + shipping.

> > Dorothy

> >

> >

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

> other alternative self-help subjects.

> >

> > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

> >

> > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

> are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

your

> own risk. Self-help requires int

> > elligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for

your

> own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY

> responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without

> consulting a medical professional, unless you a

> > re a researcher or health care provider.

> >

> > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

> address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

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of

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> mode.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have been following this thread with great interest as I suffer

severe hip pain upon rising each morning and after extended or hour

plus breaks during the day. I just came from seeing a specialist in

this field and he was no help at all. The results of the visit were

for me to see a bone doctor if needed. Well why else was I there.

It seems no one can give any real relief for the pain with the

exception of a steroid shot in the affected area. STEROIDS YUKK!

TENS or Trancutaneous <bad spelling> electrical nerve stimulation

offers precious little relief also. Can you imagine placing

electrical pads on the buttocks and groin then sitting down and

getting up several times. Ouch is right. They bite like a bee sting

in such sensitive areas.

It seems to me, from following this thread, that I might get safe

and inexpensive relief from using the gelatin. What do you all

think?

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I'd say it's worth a try. It can't hurt you

If that doesn't work you can always try something else.

Serita

[Guest guest]

>

I have been following this thread with great interest as I suffer

> severe hip pain upon rising each morning and after extended or hour

> plus breaks during the day. I just came from seeing a specialist

in

> this field and he was no help at all. The results of the visit

were

> for me to see a bone doctor if needed.

==============

Hi Jim,

Again, according to Dr. West all pain and disease is a result of

trapped blood protein. Have you tried rebounding? Even if it's

arthritis, rebounding is excellent for that.

If you have a magnetic pulser that might also help. You

wouldn't " feel " any electrical biting from it. Electricity is also

known to dissipate the clustered protein, which is what is suppose to

be causing the pain.

Gail

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/14/03 1:21:31 PM, ruthful@... writes:

<< I have seem many, many testimonies of people who used a rebounder to rid

their entire body of arthritis. It is the most effective exercise known to

man, according to scientific research. And definitely the best lymphatic

mover.

>>

I have a large studio apartment and a rebounder would be too much for this

space--

not to mention the neighbors underneath. However, for immediate relief, I

followed

Gypsy Rose's suggestion--the blackout unfroze packages of ground turkey in my

freezer (which were wrapped in foil) -- I can't eat the stuff but discovered

that

they make terrific ice-packs. I tied 2 of them to my knees while sitting in

the

dark, and it really Helps! also the effect lasts and lasts-- dorothy

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I've been using the gelatin for only a day now, so it is too soon to tell.

However, I have been using my Chi machine twice a day rather than once and

am noticing a big difference. Much greater ease when getting up now than a

few days ago when I was in such pain.

GypsyRose

I have been following this thread with great interest as I suffer

severe hip pain upon rising each morning and after extended or hour

plus breaks during the day. I just came from seeing a specialist in

this field and he was no help at all. The results of the visit were

for me to see a bone doctor if needed. Well why else was I there.

It seems no one can give any real relief for the pain with the

exception of a steroid shot in the affected area. STEROIDS YUKK!

TENS or Trancutaneous electrical nerve stimulation

offers precious little relief also. Can you imagine placing

electrical pads on the buttocks and groin then sitting down and

getting up several times. Ouch is right. They bite like a bee sting

in such sensitive areas.

It seems to me, from following this thread, that I might get safe

and inexpensive relief from using the gelatin. What do you all

think?

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