Re: General Anaesthetic & Broken Bone

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So sorry to hear this, Darla. Exactly the same things happened to Tom

almost exactly a year ago, both bones in his forearm so you have ALL my

sympathy.

Vitamin K2 is needed to help calcium to function. Taking supplemental

calcium is not a good idea for our kids, according to the vit k protocol

because " it is absorbed too quickly and too easily and hits the

bloodstream in a bolus dose " (ddon't know what that last bit means) but

" vitamin K2 controls calcium, puts calcium in the bones, where it

belongs, and keeps it out of soft tissues and organs, where it doesn't

belong. "

It also appears to have many other uses such as myelin formation,

effective against biofilm, activates transthyretin which transports vit

A and thyroid hormone in the brain, is approved treatment for

osteporosis in Japan,.

Dose is 1 mg per 10 pounds (4.5 kgs) body weight, three times per day.

As always start slowly and increase gradually. short half-life means

dosing 2 or preferably 3 times per day. no toxic dose found, Thorne k2

from Mandimart is recommended as it's easy to control the dosing. NOTE:

vit k1 is not an acceptable substitute.

(I was reading through all this stuff when your message appeared so it

was easy to type it out!)

HAve a look at the vit k protocol because he may need phosphorous too.

Good luck and get well soon, ,

Sara xxx

Darla wrote:

>

> broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school. He had a GA

> - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays. Any advice on supplements to help

> the bone heal? He doesn't take calcium because he's always responded

> negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad

> mummy) and cheese. I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D,

> Iron, enzymes, Chromium). Anything else anyone can think of?

>

> He's also in a lot of pain so he's having max doses of neurofen/calpol

> round the clock. He also had lots of morphine in the hospital.

> He's not recovering physically very well, he's very grey, cranky, weak

> and hoarse throat and not eating well (except for the ice cream of

> course).

>

> Any advice appreciated,

> Thanks,

> Darla x

>

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Thank you so much, Sara.  I'll look into the Vit K tonight (so the big plans for tonight are XFactor and Vit K research, woo hoo)   I remember when Tom broke his bones, oh it was so stressful for you.  

 

Thanks and hugs to gorgeous Tom in sunny Wales, :-)

Darla xx

 

 

 

2009/9/26 Sara Moroza- <Moroza-@...>

 

So sorry to hear this, Darla. Exactly the same things happened to Tom almost exactly a year ago, both bones in his forearm so you have ALL my sympathy.Vitamin K2 is needed to help calcium to function. Taking supplemental

calcium is not a good idea for our kids, according to the vit k protocol because " it is absorbed too quickly and too easily and hits the bloodstream in a bolus dose " (ddon't know what that last bit means) but

" vitamin K2 controls calcium, puts calcium in the bones, where it belongs, and keeps it out of soft tissues and organs, where it doesn't belong. " It also appears to have many other uses such as myelin formation,

effective against biofilm, activates transthyretin which transports vit A and thyroid hormone in the brain, is approved treatment for osteporosis in Japan,.Dose is 1 mg per 10 pounds (4.5 kgs) body weight, three times per day.

As always start slowly and increase gradually. short half-life means dosing 2 or preferably 3 times per day. no toxic dose found, Thorne k2 from Mandimart is recommended as it's easy to control the dosing. NOTE:

vit k1 is not an acceptable substitute.(I was reading through all this stuff when your message appeared so it was easy to type it out!)HAve a look at the vit k protocol because he may need phosphorous too.

Good luck and get well soon, ,Sara xxx

Darla wrote:> > broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school. He had a GA > - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays. Any advice on supplements to help > the bone heal? He doesn't take calcium because he's always responded

> negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad > mummy) and cheese. I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D, > Iron, enzymes, Chromium). Anything else anyone can think of?>

> He's also in a lot of pain so he's having max doses of neurofen/calpol > round the clock. He also had lots of morphine in the hospital. > He's not recovering physically very well, he's very grey, cranky, weak

> and hoarse throat and not eating well (except for the ice cream of > course). > > Any advice appreciated,> Thanks,> Darla x>

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so sorry to hear

def must looking into low level laser therapy – there is a place in london that would be willing to rent, and there may be practitioners around you – I know a clinic in wimbledon has one. But it would be probably cheaper to buy one and use every day. They can do wonders for healing bones.

I have one but it is not true laser light – it is LED, which works wonders for skin (worked miracles for my friend’s burns), strained muscles and even deep muscles – those that cannot be reached by simple massage, but I'm not sure if it would reach to the bones though. Come to think of it his arm is no that wide so it MIGHT work.

Darla, if you have access to hbot def worth looking into for healing bones.

also look into pulsed magnetic fields/mattrasses.

let me know if interested in laser I will dig out links.

p.s you are welcome to borrow my LED light to try if it would reach deep enough...

broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school.  He had a GA - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays.  Any advice on supplements to help the bone heal?  He doesn't take calcium because he's always responded negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad mummy) and cheese.  I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D, Iron, enzymes, Chromium).  Anything else anyone can think of?

 

He's also in a lot of pain so he's having max doses of neurofen/calpol round the clock.  He also had lots of morphine in the hospital.    He's not recovering physically very well, he's very grey, cranky, weak and hoarse throat and not eating well (except for the ice cream of course). 

 

Any advice appreciated,

Thanks,

Darla x

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If you read the vit K files, it sounds very likely to me. Our children

often or usually have problems processing both calcium and phosphorous

both essential for healthy bones, as well as lots of other things.

Sara

B wrote:

>

>

> This is bit strange to me in that our daughter alos seriously broke

> both bones in her forearm a year ago - wondering if this is more

> common in ASD than general population

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Autism Treatment

> From: rexel4@...

> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:32:51 +0100

> Subject: Re: General Anaesthetic & Broken Bone

>

>

> Thank you so much, Sara. I'll look into the Vit K tonight (so the big

> plans for tonight are XFactor and Vit K research, woo hoo) I

> remember when Tom broke his bones, oh it was so stressful for you.

>

> Thanks and hugs to gorgeous Tom in sunny Wales, :-)

> Darla xx

>

>

>

>

>

> 2009/9/26 Sara Moroza- <Moroza-@...

> <mailto:Moroza-@...>>

>

>

>

> So sorry to hear this, Darla. Exactly the same things happened to Tom

> almost exactly a year ago, both bones in his forearm so you have

> ALL my

> sympathy.

> Vitamin K2 is needed to help calcium to function. Taking supplemental

> calcium is not a good idea for our kids, according to the vit k

> protocol

> because " it is absorbed too quickly and too easily and hits the

> bloodstream in a bolus dose " (ddon't know what that last bit

> means) but

> " vitamin K2 controls calcium, puts calcium in the bones, where it

> belongs, and keeps it out of soft tissues and organs, where it

> doesn't

> belong. "

> It also appears to have many other uses such as myelin formation,

> effective against biofilm, activates transthyretin which

> transports vit

> A and thyroid hormone in the brain, is approved treatment for

> osteporosis in Japan,.

> Dose is 1 mg per 10 pounds (4.5 kgs) body weight, three times per

> day.

> As always start slowly and increase gradually. short half-life mean s

> dosing 2 or preferably 3 times per day. no toxic dose found,

> Thorne k2

> from Mandimart is recommended as it's easy to control the dosing.

> NOTE:

> vit k1 is not an acceptable substitute.

> (I was reading through all this stuff when your message appeared

> so it

> was easy to type it out!)

> HAve a look at the vit k protocol because he may need phosphorous too.

> Good luck and get well soon, ,

> Sara xxx

>

>

>

> Darla wrote:

> >

> > broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school. He had

> a GA

> > - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays. Any advice on supplements to

> help

> > the bone heal? He doesn't take calcium because he's always

> responded

> > negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad

> > mummy) and cheese. I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D,

> > Iron, enzymes, Chromium). Anything else anyone can think of?

> >

> > He's also in a lot of pain so he's having max doses of

> neurofen/calpol

> > round the clock. He also had lots of morphine in the hospital.

> > He's not recovering physically very well, he's very grey,

> cranky, weak

> > and hoarse throat and not eating well (except for the ice cream of

> > course).

> >

> > Any advice appreciated,

> > Thanks,

> > Darla x

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi

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Ours broke hers by jumping off a wall and trying to catch her entire weight on 1 forearm - was to do with hyperactivity - i dont think many 20Kg 4 year old s arm would survive that

Autism Treatment From: Moroza-@...Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:09:39 +0100Subject: Re: General Anaesthetic & Broken Bone

Hi ,If you read the vit K files, it sounds very likely to me. Our children often or usually have problems processing both calcium and phosphorous both essential for healthy bones, as well as lots of other things.Sara B wrote:> >> This is bit strange to me in that our daughter alos seriously broke > both bones in her forearm a year ago - wondering if this is more > common in ASD than general population> >> ----------------------------------------------------------> Autism Treatment > From: rexel4googlemail> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:32:51 +0100> Subject: Re: General Anaesthetic & Broken Bone>> > Thank you so much, Sara. I'll look into the Vit K tonight (so the big > plans for tonight are XFactor and Vit K research, woo hoo) I > remember when Tom broke his bones, oh it was so stressful for you. > > Thanks and hugs to gorgeous Tom in sunny Wales, :-)> Darla xx> > >>> > 2009/9/26 Sara Moroza- <Moroza-tiscali (DOT) co.uk > <mailto:Moroza-tiscali (DOT) co.uk>>>> >> So sorry to hear this, Darla. Exactly the same things happened to Tom> almost exactly a year ago, both bones in his forearm so you have> ALL my> sympathy.> Vitamin K2 is needed to help calcium to function. Taking supplemental> calcium is not a good idea for our kids, according to the vit k> protocol> because "it is absorbed too quickly and too easily and hits the> bloodstream in a bolus dose" (ddon't know what that last bit> means) but> "vitamin K2 controls calcium, puts calcium in the bones, where it> belongs, and keeps it out of soft tissues and organs, where it> doesn't> belong."> It also appears to have many other uses such as myelin formation,> effective against biofilm, activates transthyretin which> transports vit> A and thyroid hormone in the brain, is approved treatment for> osteporosis in Japan,.> Dose is 1 mg per 10 pounds (4.5 kgs) body weight, three times per> day.> As always start slowly and increase gradually. short half-life mean s> dosing 2 or preferably 3 times per day. no toxic dose found,> Thorne k2> from Mandimart is recommended as it's easy to control the dosing.> NOTE:> vit k1 is not an acceptable substitute.> (I was reading through all this stuff when your message appeared> so it> was easy to type it out!)> HAve a look at the vit k protocol because he may need phosphorous too.> Good luck and get well soon, ,> Sara xxx>>>> Darla wrote:> >> > broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school. He had> a GA> > - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays. Any advice on supplements to> help> > the bone heal? He doesn't take calcium because he's always> responded> > negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad> > mummy) and cheese. I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D,> > Iron, enzymes, Chromium). Anything else anyone can think of?> >> > He's also in a lot of pain so he's having max doses of> neurofen/calpol> > round the clock. He also had lots of morphine in the hospital.> > He's not recovering physically very well, he's very grey,> cranky, weak> > and hoarse throat and not eating well (except for the ice cream of> > course).> >> > Any advice appreciated,> > Thanks,> > Darla x> >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. > <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/>> Hi

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there is research out there showing that ASD boys have thinner bones on average than typical kids. That study looked at boys only if I remember correctly...

Natasa

Hi ,

If you read the vit K files, it sounds very likely to me. Our children

often or usually have problems processing both calcium and phosphorous

both essential for healthy bones, as well as lots of other things.

Sara

B wrote:

>

>

> This is bit strange to me in that our daughter alos seriously broke

> both bones in her forearm a year ago - wondering if this is more

> common in ASD than general population

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------

> Autism Treatment <mailto:Autism Treatment%40>

> From: rexel4@... <mailto:rexel4%40googlemail.com>

> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:32:51 +0100

> Subject: Re: General Anaesthetic & Broken Bone

>

>

> Thank you so much, Sara. I'll look into the Vit K tonight (so the big

> plans for tonight are XFactor and Vit K research, woo hoo) I

> remember when Tom broke his bones, oh it was so stressful for you.

>

> Thanks and hugs to gorgeous Tom in sunny Wales, :-)

> Darla xx

>

>

>

>

>

> 2009/9/26 Sara Moroza- <Moroza-@... <mailto:Moroza-%40tiscali.co.uk>

> <mailto:Moroza-@... <mailto:Moroza-%40tiscali.co.uk> >>

>

>

>

> So sorry to hear this, Darla. Exactly the same things happened to Tom

> almost exactly a year ago, both bones in his forearm so you have

> ALL my

> sympathy.

> Vitamin K2 is needed to help calcium to function. Taking supplemental

> calcium is not a good idea for our kids, according to the vit k

> protocol

> because " it is absorbed too quickly and too easily and hits the

> bloodstream in a bolus dose " (ddon't know what that last bit

> means) but

> " vitamin K2 controls calcium, puts calcium in the bones, where it

> belongs, and keeps it out of soft tissues and organs, where it

> doesn't

> belong. "

> It also appears to have many other uses such as myelin formation,

> effective against biofilm, activates transthyretin which

> transports vit

> A and thyroid hormone in the brain, is approved treatment for

> osteporosis in Japan,.

> Dose is 1 mg per 10 pounds (4.5 kgs) body weight, three times per

> day.

> As always start slowly and increase gradually. short half-life mean s

> dosing 2 or preferably 3 times per day. no toxic dose found,

> Thorne k2

> from Mandimart is recommended as it's easy to control the dosing.

> NOTE:

> vit k1 is not an acceptable substitute.

> (I was reading through all this stuff when your message appeared

> so it

> was easy to type it out!)

> HAve a look at the vit k protocol because he may need phosphorous too.

> Good luck and get well soon, ,

> Sara xxx

>

>

>

> Darla wrote:

> >

> > broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school. He had

> a GA

> > - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays. Any advice on supplements to

> help

> > the bone heal? He doesn't take calcium because he's always

> responded

> > negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad

> > mummy) and cheese. I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D,

> > Iron, enzymes, Chromium). Anything else anyone can think of?

> >

> > He's also in a lot of pain so he's having max doses of

> neurofen/calpol

> > round the clock. He also had lots of morphine in the hospital.

> > He's not recovering physically very well, he's very grey,

> cranky, weak

> > and hoarse throat and not eating well (except for the ice cream of

> > course).

> >

> > Any advice appreciated,

> > Thanks,

> > Darla x

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 26/09/2009 16:24:15 GMT Daylight Time, rexel4@... writes:

broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school. He had a GA - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays. Any advice on supplements to help the bone heal? He doesn't take calcium because he's always responded negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad mummy) and cheese. I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D, Iron, enzymes, Chromium). Anything else anyone can think of?

>>>Vitamin K2, Epsom Salts and MB12 - Mb12 is all used up in the process of GA, hope he is feeling brighter soon

Mandi x

PS and if you were thinking of chelation, now is a good time to do it, lots of Lead gets released when bones are healing

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Thanks everyone so much for all the info, I've got my work cut out for me - also am revising his home program which was very heavy on the writing, cutting and OT stuff....now that's all gone for a while.  ARGH!

 

Darla x

 

2009/9/27 <Mum231ASD@...>

 

In a message dated 26/09/2009 16:24:15 GMT Daylight Time, rexel4@... writes:

broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school.  He had a GA - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays.  Any advice on supplements to help the bone heal?  He doesn't take calcium because he's always responded negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad mummy) and cheese.  I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D, Iron, enzymes, Chromium).  Anything else anyone can think of?

>>>Vitamin K2, Epsom Salts and MB12 - Mb12 is all used up in the process of GA, hope he is feeling brighter soon

 

Mandi x

PS and if you were thinking of chelation, now is a good time to do it, lots of Lead gets released when bones are healing

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone so much for all the info, I've got my work cut out for me - also am revising his home program which was very heavy on the writing, cutting and OT stuff....now that's all gone for a while.  ARGH!

 

Darla x

 

2009/9/27 <Mum231ASD@...>

 

In a message dated 26/09/2009 16:24:15 GMT Daylight Time, rexel4@... writes:

broke both bones in his forearm Thursday at school.  He had a GA - approx 45 mins and about 5 xrays.  Any advice on supplements to help the bone heal?  He doesn't take calcium because he's always responded negatively to it but he eats lots of yoghurts and ice cream (bad mummy) and cheese.  I give him some basic supps (EFAs, Vit C, Vit D, Iron, enzymes, Chromium).  Anything else anyone can think of?

>>>Vitamin K2, Epsom Salts and MB12 - Mb12 is all used up in the process of GA, hope he is feeling brighter soon

 

Mandi x

PS and if you were thinking of chelation, now is a good time to do it, lots of Lead gets released when bones are healing