New to the list

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Hello all

I'm Anne, a 47 yr. old person from SE Florida..Over the past 2 years I have been diagnosed with Fybromyolgia and was given pain pills, anti depressants, and harsh words from my doctor telling me to bite the bullet and learn to *live with pain*..Needless to say I never did return to that doctor..After 5 doctors I finally have found help and hope if my story gives the slightest amount of help to anyone reading this, it will be worth my pain and fight..

On both of my lower legs I have open deep wounds, one leg the wound is over 6 inches long and 3 inches wide..After 2 surgical debrisments and skin grafts I *still have these wounds that become more painful each day..Percodin, Vicodin, Demerol, Soma, Evavil, etc....shall I go on?

Recently I found a doctor who urged me to allow him to run his own blood tests on myself, I figured sure, why not, I wish I was dead from the pain any it was...My arms, hands, back, knees, I did not have one area on my body that was pain free for more than a few minutes..I would go to bed and wake crying..I've driven my daughter's crazy having to see their mother turn into a waste...Well, back to the new doctor, after his blood tests he told me the leg problems are called Pyroderma Gangrenous, and as far as my hands, arms, back and knees, well I have RA....My doctor had me read about a drug, Remicade which is very expensive but has had excellent results in treating RA, but guess what...It is now being learned that Remicade is showing proof positive in aiding and helping to cure pyroderma gangrenosum....I had my first infusion of it last Friday and am scheduled for the second next Friday..My problem now is lack of veins..My arms hurt and it takes a nurse as much as 7 to 10 tries with a needle till a vein is found..

I have not seen nor felt the Remicade kick in yet, I do understand it takes more than 1 infusion to feel any effect, but if anyone out there is suffering like I have/am perhaps you should see other doctors, do not take one doctors word..Your pain is very real and sad to say, to many doctors today forget about the patient and their health, not only the physical but the mental..Pain is real and should not be masked with pain pains and we should not have to life with remarks such as "live with it"..I would appreciate any input, advice, anything from anyone reading this list...

I'm sorry if I babble but hey, we're for and to support..

Anne

[Guest guest]

ANNE

HI MY NAME IS BILL I,VE BEEN FIGHTING RA FOR

A LONG TIME I SEEM TO BE HAVING MORE BAD DAY,S THAN GOOD ONES I,VE BEEN

THROUGH SO MANE TREATMENTS I CAN,T COUNT I WORK IN CONSTRUCTION AND WLL SOME

TIMES I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME GETTING OUT OF BED TO GO TO WORK .WITH RA THERE

ARE NO SIGNS TO SHOW HOW BAD YOU REALLY FEEL AND I FIND PEOPLE WONDERING

WHATS WRONG WITH ME TO SOME ONE WHO DOESN,T HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS ITS HARD

TO EXPLAIN AND SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING WELL MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD I ,LL FIND

SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP BILL

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne:

I do understand how horrible it is to live

with pain. I have had doctors like

your first one. They probably have

never lived with pain for very long.

I have lived with chronic pain since I was 18, I am now 42. There are better days and horrible days

but the pain is constantly there.

It is not an easy life!! We

are here to vent your frustrations to and that can help a lot!!! You are not alone and believe me it

helps to know that there are people who understand what it feels like to not be

able to get out of bed some days. I

do hope you find some medications that help ease your pain soon!!!! I am on Remicade as well as 7 other

different medications for the RA. I

now take 5 vials of Remicade in my infusion. Unfortunately it is not helping as my

doctor and I had hoped. It DOES

help some but just not what we had hoped it would do. There are people in his office that it

has worked miracles on unfortunately I am not one of them. Do not give up hope!!!!!!!! Give the drug a chance. And know that they are constantly

working to find other ones too.

Have you gone to a pain clinic????

They can help you manage chronic pain!!!!!!!!! My thoughts and prayers are with

you!!!!!!!!!!!

Carla

-----Original Message-----

From: asiegel1114@...

[mailto:asiegel1114@...]

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001

5:42 PM

To:

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject:

New to the list

Hello all

I'm Anne, a 47 yr. old person from SE Florida..Over the past 2 years I have

been diagnosed with Fybromyolgia and was given pain pills, anti

depressants, and harsh words from my doctor telling me to bite the bullet and

learn to *live with pain*..Needless to say I never did return to that

doctor..After 5 doctors I finally have found help and hope if my story gives

the slightest amount of help to anyone reading this, it will be worth my pain

and fight..

On both of my lower legs I have open deep wounds, one leg the wound is over 6

inches long and 3 inches wide..After 2 surgical debrisments and skin grafts I

*still have these wounds that become more painful each day..Percodin,

Vicodin, Demerol, Soma, Evavil, etc....shall I go on?

Recently I found a doctor who urged me to allow him to run his own blood

tests on myself, I figured sure, why not, I wish I was dead from the pain any

it was...My arms, hands, back, knees, I did not have one area on my body that

was pain free for more than a few minutes..I would go to bed and wake

crying..I've driven my daughter's crazy having to see their mother turn into

a waste...Well, back to the new doctor, after his blood tests he told me the

leg problems are called Pyroderma Gangrenous, and as far as my hands,

arms,

back and knees, well I have RA....My doctor had me read about a drug,

Remicade which is very expensive but has had excellent results in treating

RA, but guess what...It is now being learned that Remicade is showing proof

positive in aiding and helping to cure pyroderma gangrenosum....I had my

first infusion of it last Friday and am scheduled for the second next

Friday..My problem now is lack of veins..My arms hurt and it takes a nurse as

much as 7 to 10 tries with a needle till a vein is found..

I have not seen nor felt the Remicade kick in yet, I do understand it takes

more than 1 infusion to feel any effect, but if anyone out there is suffering

like I have/am perhaps you should see other doctors, do not take one doctors

word..Your pain is very real and sad to say, to many doctors today forget

about the patient and their health, not only the physical but the

mental..Pain is real and should not be masked with pain pains and we should

not have to life with remarks such as " live with it " ..I would

appreciate any

input, advice, anything from anyone reading this list...

I'm sorry if I babble but hey, we're for and to support..

Anne

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carla,

I have had RA as a child,being diagnosed at 13, now

40, also diagnosed with OA,FM,reynauds & " mild " lupus,

treating the RA which is raging still. I am taking

Enbrel, mtx injections,folic acid, mobic & ultram. Did

you ever try Enbrel or did you go straight to the

Remicade? I don't feel like the Enbrel is doing the

miracle that everyone proclaims, it has helped a

little but not like we had hoped either.

God Bless, Barbara

--- Carla Janes <carla.janes@...> wrote:

> Hi Anne:

>

> I do understand how horrible it is to live with

> pain. I have had

> doctors like your first one. They probably have

> never lived with pain

> for very long. I have lived with chronic pain since

> I was 18, I am now

> 42. There are better days and horrible days but the

> pain is constantly

> there. It is not an easy life!! We are here to

> vent your frustrations

> to and that can help a lot!!! You are not alone and

> believe me it helps

> to know that there are people who understand what it

> feels like to not

> be able to get out of bed some days. I do hope you

> find some

> medications that help ease your pain soon!!!! I am

> on Remicade as well

> as 7 other different medications for the RA. I now

> take 5 vials of

> Remicade in my infusion. Unfortunately it is not

> helping as my doctor

> and I had hoped. It DOES help some but just not

> what we had hoped it

> would do. There are people in his office that it

> has worked miracles on

> unfortunately I am not one of them. Do not give up

> hope!!!!!!!! Give

> the drug a chance. And know that they are

> constantly working to find

> other ones too. Have you gone to a pain clinic????

> They can help you

> manage chronic pain!!!!!!!!! My thoughts and

> prayers are with

> you!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Carla

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: asiegel1114@...

> [mailto:asiegel1114@...]

> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 5:42 PM

> Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Subject: New to the list

>

> Hello all

>

> I'm Anne, a 47 yr. old person from SE Florida..Over

> the past 2 years I

> have

> been diagnosed with Fybromyolgia and was given pain

> pills, anti

> depressants, and harsh words from my doctor telling

> me to bite the

> bullet and

> learn to *live with pain*..Needless to say I never

> did return to that

> doctor..After 5 doctors I finally have found help

> and hope if my story

> gives

> the slightest amount of help to anyone reading this,

> it will be worth my

> pain

> and fight..

> On both of my lower legs I have open deep wounds,

> one leg the wound is

> over 6

> inches long and 3 inches wide..After 2 surgical

> debrisments and skin

> grafts I

> *still have these wounds that become more painful

> each day..Percodin,

> Vicodin, Demerol, Soma, Evavil, etc....shall I go

> on?

> Recently I found a doctor who urged me to allow him

> to run his own blood

>

> tests on myself, I figured sure, why not, I wish I

> was dead from the

> pain any

> it was...My arms, hands, back, knees, I did not have

> one area on my body

> that

> was pain free for more than a few minutes..I would

> go to bed and wake

> crying..I've driven my daughter's crazy having to

> see their mother turn

> into

> a waste...Well, back to the new doctor, after his

> blood tests he told me

> the

> leg problems are called Pyroderma Gangrenous, and

> as far as my hands,

> arms,

> back and knees, well I have RA....My doctor had me

> read about a drug,

> Remicade which is very expensive but has had

> excellent results in

> treating

> RA, but guess what...It is now being learned that

> Remicade is showing

> proof

> positive in aiding and helping to cure pyroderma

> gangrenosum....I had my

>

> first infusion of it last Friday and am scheduled

> for the second next

> Friday..My problem now is lack of veins..My arms

> hurt and it takes a

> nurse as

> much as 7 to 10 tries with a needle till a vein is

> found..

> I have not seen nor felt the Remicade kick in yet, I

> do understand it

> takes

> more than 1 infusion to feel any effect, but if

> anyone out there is

> suffering

> like I have/am perhaps you should see other doctors,

> do not take one

> doctors

> word..Your pain is very real and sad to say, to many

> doctors today

> forget

> about the patient and their health, not only the

> physical but the

> mental..Pain is real and should not be masked with

> pain pains and we

> should

> not have to life with remarks such as " live with

> it " ..I would appreciate

> any

> input, advice, anything from anyone reading this

> list...

> I'm sorry if I babble but hey, we're for and to

> support..

>

> Anne

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carla, have you tried Enbrel instead of Remicade since you have not had relief with Remicade?

[Guest guest]

Hi!!

No, I haven't tried Enbrel. My doctor has me on vioxx, folic acid, mtx,

arava, immuran, prednisone, plaquenil, and Remicade. I am going to an

occupational therapist for my hands, wrists and shoulders and a physical

therapist for my hips, knees and feet. I walk with a walker and take

percocet for pain and ambien for my insomnia. I will ask about enbrel.

Hey..the way I feel I'll try almost anything. Hope your day is

wonderfully pain free!!!!!!

Love,

Carla

-----Original Message-----

From: Barbara Kinney [mailto:bjjt_us@...]

Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 3:18 PM

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: RE: New to the list

Hi Carla,

I have had RA as a child,being diagnosed at 13, now

40, also diagnosed with OA,FM,reynauds & " mild " lupus,

treating the RA which is raging still. I am taking

Enbrel, mtx injections,folic acid, mobic & ultram. Did

you ever try Enbrel or did you go straight to the

Remicade? I don't feel like the Enbrel is doing the

miracle that everyone proclaims, it has helped a

little but not like we had hoped either.

God Bless, Barbara

--- Carla Janes <carla.janes@...> wrote:

> Hi Anne:

>

> I do understand how horrible it is to live with

> pain. I have had

> doctors like your first one. They probably have

> never lived with pain

> for very long. I have lived with chronic pain since

> I was 18, I am now

> 42. There are better days and horrible days but the

> pain is constantly

> there. It is not an easy life!! We are here to

> vent your frustrations

> to and that can help a lot!!! You are not alone and

> believe me it helps

> to know that there are people who understand what it

> feels like to not

> be able to get out of bed some days. I do hope you

> find some

> medications that help ease your pain soon!!!! I am

> on Remicade as well

> as 7 other different medications for the RA. I now

> take 5 vials of

> Remicade in my infusion. Unfortunately it is not

> helping as my doctor

> and I had hoped. It DOES help some but just not

> what we had hoped it

> would do. There are people in his office that it

> has worked miracles on

> unfortunately I am not one of them. Do not give up

> hope!!!!!!!! Give

> the drug a chance. And know that they are

> constantly working to find

> other ones too. Have you gone to a pain clinic????

> They can help you

> manage chronic pain!!!!!!!!! My thoughts and

> prayers are with

> you!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Carla

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: asiegel1114@...

> [mailto:asiegel1114@...]

> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 5:42 PM

> Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Subject: New to the list

>

> Hello all

>

> I'm Anne, a 47 yr. old person from SE Florida..Over

> the past 2 years I

> have

> been diagnosed with Fybromyolgia and was given pain

> pills, anti

> depressants, and harsh words from my doctor telling

> me to bite the

> bullet and

> learn to *live with pain*..Needless to say I never

> did return to that

> doctor..After 5 doctors I finally have found help

> and hope if my story

> gives

> the slightest amount of help to anyone reading this,

> it will be worth my

> pain

> and fight..

> On both of my lower legs I have open deep wounds,

> one leg the wound is

> over 6

> inches long and 3 inches wide..After 2 surgical

> debrisments and skin

> grafts I

> *still have these wounds that become more painful

> each day..Percodin,

> Vicodin, Demerol, Soma, Evavil, etc....shall I go

> on?

> Recently I found a doctor who urged me to allow him

> to run his own blood

>

> tests on myself, I figured sure, why not, I wish I

> was dead from the

> pain any

> it was...My arms, hands, back, knees, I did not have

> one area on my body

> that

> was pain free for more than a few minutes..I would

> go to bed and wake

> crying..I've driven my daughter's crazy having to

> see their mother turn

> into

> a waste...Well, back to the new doctor, after his

> blood tests he told me

> the

> leg problems are called Pyroderma Gangrenous, and

> as far as my hands,

> arms,

> back and knees, well I have RA....My doctor had me

> read about a drug,

> Remicade which is very expensive but has had

> excellent results in

> treating

> RA, but guess what...It is now being learned that

> Remicade is showing

> proof

> positive in aiding and helping to cure pyroderma

> gangrenosum....I had my

>

> first infusion of it last Friday and am scheduled

> for the second next

> Friday..My problem now is lack of veins..My arms

> hurt and it takes a

> nurse as

> much as 7 to 10 tries with a needle till a vein is

> found..

> I have not seen nor felt the Remicade kick in yet, I

> do understand it

> takes

> more than 1 infusion to feel any effect, but if

> anyone out there is

> suffering

> like I have/am perhaps you should see other doctors,

> do not take one

> doctors

> word..Your pain is very real and sad to say, to many

> doctors today

> forget

> about the patient and their health, not only the

> physical but the

> mental..Pain is real and should not be masked with

> pain pains and we

> should

> not have to life with remarks such as " live with

> it " ..I would appreciate

> any

> input, advice, anything from anyone reading this

> list...

> I'm sorry if I babble but hey, we're for and to

> support..

>

> Anne

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

I experienced the same frustration, not knowing for a long time that my

pain was caused by problems with my GB. I too have had my GB removed,

and found this group shortly afterwards. I continued to have " attacks "

immediately after surgery, and was told I probably still had a stone in

the common bile duct! Two weeks after surgery, I did my first liver

cleanse. After the first two cleanses, all my digestive symptoms,

bloating, gas, and discomfort, were gone. So, I would definitely

encourage you to give the liver cleanse a try. Dr. recommends

you do a parasite/bowel/kidney cleanse first. Others here have been

successful though without doing them first. I don't know of anything

that can go wrong during a cleanse. Some people feel nauseous from

taking the oil/grapefruit drink of the cleanse, and I find that

organic olive oil stays down better. The diarrhea is not severe in my

opinion, but you do have to stay close to the bathroom until about

lunchtime. You will feel somewhat fatigued, but not enough to keep you

from taking care of your children.

From what I've read, the way your surgery was done, which is called

" open, " is actually less risky than the laparascopic method so popular

here in the US. Even though after surgery recovery time is a lot longer

with open surgery, there is less chance that the common bile duct will

be confused with the cystic duct, etc. The surgeon can see better what

he is doing. There seem to be more injuries occuring with the

laparscopic surgeries.

As far as your psoriasis goes, there is a book you might find helpful,

called: Healing Psoriasis: The Natural Alternative, by Dr. O. A.

Pagano. He states that all skin conditions can be traced back to what

he calls a leaky bowel syndrome. The book outlines a diet of fresh

fruits and vegetables, etc.

Basically, what you'll find here is that your diet is really the key to

improving your health.

Welcome!

Adrienne

--- Janet <taylorj@...> wrote:

> Greetings from Utah. I have been lurking in the shadows of this list

> for a few days and have finally worked up the nerve to participate

> and ask a few questions.

>

> I started suffering with my gallbladder at about 18 or 19 years of

> age. I had several attacks a year (didn't know what it was) and by

> the time I was 23 I went to several MD's who didn't

> do a single test. They just said " you're too young to have

> gallstones " or " what is a 23 year old doing with an ulcer? " I was

> given Zantac and Tagamet for my stomach. I was young and

> dumb and trusting. I didn't take the medicine long because it

> obviously didn't help. I suffered attacks several times a year while

> away at college and then in 1991 while working in

> Finland it became constant -- every night. I went to the doctor

> there who immediately did an ultra sound and they took my gall

> bladder out. I had always been overweight by about 40

> pounds and I lost it within a year without trying. I'm 37 now and

> easily lose weight if I don't watch it. I think I had/have a

> malabsorption problem. How it related to my gallbladder

> or metabolism, I don't know. Although I hate the scar that runs from

> my sternum to my navel, the relief and weight loss were worth it to

> me.

>

> However, if I had known any of this stuff about cleansing, I

> certainly would have done it. I felt devastated when I woke up from

> the surgery and realized how much I'd been cut open.

> Coming from the States, I thought it would be laparoscopic. He did

> the old-fashioned cut. Symptoms I have developed over the last

> decade that I believe to be connected to my

> gallbladder/liver are: psoriasis (now under control and quite mild),

> a sort of gassy/bloated feeling even though I haven't eaten, sort of

> sulfuric breath and occasional constipation.

>

> This is more than you probably want to know, but I actually have a

> few questions, also. I would like to do a cleanse. I feel nervous,

> though. Can anything go wrong? I think I'll do

> it next week when my husband is away on work so I don't have to do

> the housework and cook meals while cleansing. I have 3 kids (8, 5

> and 3 yrs) so I'm worried I'll be laid- out on the

> bed barfing and pooping and having some reaction or attack and have

> to call " 911 " for an ambulance! Do most people lose a night's sleep

> doing this? If so, I won't be able to care for

> my kids the next day if I'm tired and sick. I know you don't have

> crystal balls to answer these questions, but suggestions would be

> helpful. Could a good juice fast and enemas produce

> good results?

>

> Thanks for letting me ramble

> Janet

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>I felt devastated when I woke up from the surgery and realized how much

>>I'd been cut open.

Coming from the States, I thought it would be laparoscopic<<

Unbelievable!! How could they not have informed you beforehand? Thaat is

just awful.

Debra

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/29/02 12:18:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

adriennelynn1@... writes:

> From what I've read, the way your surgery was done, which is called

> " open, " is actually less risky than the laparascopic method so popular

> here in the US. Even though after surgery recovery time is a lot longer

> with open surgery, there is less chance that the common bile duct will

> be confused with the cystic duct, etc. The surgeon can see better what

> he is doing. There seem to be more injuries occuring with the

> laparscopic surgeries.

>

I just wanted to add that when I consulted with the surgeon he said that they

would plan to do the laparascopic but that once they got started they might

find out that they had to do the open surgery. A lot of it evidently depends

on what they find when they get started.

Interesting...he told me how important it was for me to have surgery, but I

never contacted him to tell him that I was not going to have it and he never

followed up with me. I guess it wasn't that serious after all, eh?

in health,

[Guest guest]

Dale wrote:

> Janet;

>

> You noted your desire to do a flush and I must commend you on this. However,

> you may wish to do some preliminary work before moving in to doing it. First

> is of course learning a little bit about the process of the flush so that it

> isn't done on purely blind faith, which is just what you're attempting to do

> here. The other is actually the start of the flushing process and involves

> eating plenty of food.... lots more food than you would have expected.

Dale-- I have meant to ask you about the foods. It sounds like there are certain

things I'm supposed to eat a lot of right before the cleanse. What are they and

how much? I didn't pick

up on that when I printed off Dr. 's cleanse recipe, maybe I need to go

back to the site and re-read it. It said to eat 2 light meals and fast from

2:00 on. Do you all do this or

do most of you do a juice fast right before?

I have a few questions in general for anyone out there, as I prepare for my

first cleanse. Please tell me if I'm preparing incorrectly and add what I need

to do. This is what I have

been doing for about a week. (It's a big change for me, I might add)

Every morning and evening I drink herbal " detox " teas of licorice, fennel and

lemon

I take psyllium husk everyday

Drink lots of water

I drink twice daily a mixture of: liquid minerals; an aloe vera based goo

(containing milk thistle, dandelion, echinacea); liquid acidophillus; and a

" green " drink from the health food

store.

I eat high fiber cold cereal or a scrambled egg for breakfast, fruits and

veggies for lunch and dinner.

No dairy except for the milk on my cereal (I leave most in the bowl)

No sugar

No Breads

Did a couple of retention enemas to get things going

Now that I'm eating lighter I feel like I can move to a juice fast. How long

should I do it and what juices should I use? This is my plan, correct me

please:

A combo Apple/beet/parsley/carrot juice (I did this last summer and loved it as

breakfast),

Apple juice throughout the day

lots of water

How long should I do it? Is one or two days enough and then start the cleanse?

My concern is doing a juice fast for more than a day or two. I have little kids

and a house to run.....It seems too difficult when I'm preparing meals for

everyone else to fast and

rest.

What to consume, how much of it and for how long are my questions!

Janet

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Janet;

From what I've read here it certainly sounds like you're on the right path

regarding your eating. I would consider doing this for at least a month and

then seeing how you feel after that. Chances are pretty good that your

eating this type of diet and coming to a better understanding of the reasons

for the various detoxing agents you'll realize how they are working

synergistically with your body to get the toxins out by giving them a path

by which to get out.

The retention enema was without much doubt quite a difficult thing to do but

it certainly helped to scrub the intestinal wall of the colon. If you got

the enemas to a point where you're also getting water to the ascending

colon, and get an odor of near death appear, then chances are pretty good

you're really starting to realize some serious cleansing taking place and a

renewed amount of energy too. This is going to have you cleansed quite

quickly because it's getting rid of putrefied matter. Enemas later on will

not have this type of odor appear unless there has been more purification

taking place.

What I was trying to help you to understand about a cleanse is that by

eating foods that are high in fiber you're going to be cleansing naturally

without the need of other cleansing programs. If you take notice of the

contents of the programs you'll see that what you're doing now is much the

same as you would be getting from the little packets. So, I would say you're

also saving quite a sum of money, and are going to be doing much the same as

the programs will do for detoxing only you're learning a new way of eating

and eating so you're able to detox naturally on a daily basis the way the

body is ment to detox.

One of the best books I can suggest for learning about detoxing and cleaning

out not only the colon is " The Liver Cleansing Diet " by Dr. Cabot.

She is one very passionate person regarding good health and how to obtain

it.

Dale

<<Dale-- I have meant to ask you about the foods. It sounds like there are

certain things I'm supposed to eat a lot of right before the cleanse. What

are they and how much? I didn't pick

up on that when I printed off Dr. 's cleanse recipe, maybe I need to go

back to the site and re-read it. It said to eat 2 light meals and fast from

2:00 on. Do you all do this or

do most of you do a juice fast right before?

I have a few questions in general for anyone out there, as I prepare for my

first cleanse. Please tell me if I'm preparing incorrectly and add what I

need to do. This is what I have

been doing for about a week. (It's a big change for me, I might add)

Every morning and evening I drink herbal " detox " teas of licorice, fennel

and lemon

I take psyllium husk everyday

Drink lots of water

I drink twice daily a mixture of: liquid minerals; an aloe vera based goo

(containing milk thistle, dandelion, echinacea); liquid acidophillus; and a

" green " drink from the health food

store.

I eat high fiber cold cereal or a scrambled egg for breakfast, fruits and

veggies for lunch and dinner.

No dairy except for the milk on my cereal (I leave most in the bowl)

No sugar

No Breads

Did a couple of retention enemas to get things going

Now that I'm eating lighter I feel like I can move to a juice fast. How

long should I do it and what juices should I use? This is my plan, correct

me please:

A combo Apple/beet/parsley/carrot juice (I did this last summer and loved it

as breakfast),

Apple juice throughout the day

lots of water

How long should I do it? Is one or two days enough and then start the

cleanse?

My concern is doing a juice fast for more than a day or two. I have little

kids and a house to run.....It seems too difficult when I'm preparing meals

for everyone else to fast and

rest.

What to consume, how much of it and for how long are my questions!

Janet>>