Re: A question about a video on youtube

[Guest guest]

I have to question its validity on a couple of counts - 1. if it's at a meet

(which I believe it has to be to count as a world record), where are the

spotters?2. I was under the impression the world record deadlift, raw or suited

(prior to Magnusson breaking it) was Andy Bolton's 1008, not this guy's 1012.

I'm sure that is some heavy weight, but I've never heard of the dude.

Supertraining

From: efreem3407@...

Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 02:21:56 -0400

Subject: A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

that was my impression as well – and I would add:

the stands look a little small (or somehow not right)

who would walk out forward and rack going backwards, seems a little dangerous.

Wally (stephen seibel)

Ohio, USA

From: Brock Leggins

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM

supertraining

Subject: RE: A question about a video on youtube

I have to question its validity on a couple of counts - 1. if it's at a meet

(which I believe it has to be to count as a world record), where are the

spotters?2. I was under the impression the world record deadlift, raw or suited

(prior to Magnusson breaking it) was Andy Bolton's 1008, not this guy's 1012.

I'm sure that is some heavy weight, but I've never heard of the dude.

mailto:Supertraining%40

From: mailto:efreem3407%40aol.com

Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 02:21:56 -0400

Subject: A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not at a

competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or weighed out on

camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if this were a record

attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty meticulous about such things -

someone I know went to a recordbreaker event in Milan, Italy, and told me about

it.

I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very surprised

at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that for one

thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to support the

supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a bar that is not

a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that really is in that range.

Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's - the metal are much thinner?

If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?

My guess is that those larger " plates " have sand in them or are wooden. Certain

BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with wood to take

the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1 metal weight on

each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to make the weights and

bar whip about at the top with a real load like that on that deadlift....I think

it's not real, I think some of it is sand and he's trying to MAKE it look real.

There's more videos of this guy. He's also getting his DL from pads higher than

his feet - which makes it a bit easier.

The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this is

staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in bad PL

feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar sufficiently to

account for this bend, especially with a less strong barbell.

I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin

Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.

I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q - with all

the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a guy like this

NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money? Seriously? And

there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

Valentin Dikul is for real. He is legitimately very, very strong.

I don't know about the listed weights however - it is a video that was re-loaded

by a kettlebell organization.

The list of very strong individuals who've never competed in sanctioned PL meets

is long and illustrious. We all know that. Seriously, for these individuals,

competing would do nothing positive for the mystique and market they've built

with their ability to odd/unconventional lifts. 

Boris Bachmann

Des Moines, IA

________________________________

From: " deadliftdiva@... " <deadliftdiva@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:42 PM

Subject: Re: A question about a video on youtube

 

Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not at a

competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or weighed out on

camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if this were a record

attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty meticulous about such things -

someone I know went to a recordbreaker event in Milan, Italy, and told me about

it.

I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very surprised

at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that for one

thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to support the

supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a bar that is not

a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that really is in that range.

Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's - the metal are much thinner?

If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?

My guess is that those larger " plates " have sand in them or are wooden. Certain

BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with wood to take

the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1 metal weight on

each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to make the weights and

bar whip about at the top with a real load like that on that deadlift....I think

it's not real, I think some of it is sand and he's trying to MAKE it look real.

There's more videos of this guy. He's also getting his DL from pads higher than

his feet - which makes it a bit easier.

The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this is

staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in bad PL

feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar sufficiently to

account for this bend, especially with a less strong barbell.

I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin

Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.

I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q - with all

the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a guy like this

NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money? Seriously? And

there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

There's a handy guide right here:

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/files/PLWR-M-03-19-12.pdf

I don't see that guy's name at all.....

I can't believe someone has already hit 2900!

Randy Gordon

, IN

A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

So it is for real after all. Can the previous critiques be reconciled?

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM, boris b <boris_york@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Valentin Dikul is for real. He is legitimately very, very strong.

>

> I don't know about the listed weights however - it is a video that was

> re-loaded by a kettlebell organization.

>

> The list of very strong individuals who've never competed in sanctioned PL

> meets is long and illustrious. We all know that. Seriously, for these

> individuals, competing would do nothing positive for the mystique and

> market they've built with their ability to odd/unconventional lifts.

>

> Boris Bachmann

> Des Moines, IA

>

> ________________________________

> From: " deadliftdiva@... " <deadliftdiva@...>

> Supertraining

> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:42 PM

> Subject: Re: A question about a video on youtube

>

>

>

>

> Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not

> at a competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or

> weighed out on camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if

> this were a record attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty

> meticulous about such things - someone I know went to a recordbreaker event

> in Milan, Italy, and told me about it.

>

> I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very

> surprised at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that

> for one thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to

> support the supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a

> bar that is not a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that

> really is in that range. Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's

> - the metal are much thinner? If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?

>

> My guess is that those larger " plates " have sand in them or are wooden.

> Certain BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with

> wood to take the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1

> metal weight on each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to

> make the weights and bar whip about at the top with a real load like that

> on that deadlift....I think it's not real, I think some of it is sand and

> he's trying to MAKE it look real. There's more videos of this guy. He's

> also getting his DL from pads higher than his feet - which makes it a bit

> easier.

>

> The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this

> is staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in

> bad PL feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar

> sufficiently to account for this bend, especially with a less strong

> barbell.

>

> I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin

> Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.

>

> I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q -

> with all the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a

> guy like this NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money?

> Seriously? And there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

> Denver, Colorado, USA

>

> A question about a video on youtube

>

> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

>

> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

>

>

>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

>

> Please share your thoughts.

>

> Edwin Freeman, Jr.

> San Francisco, USA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donnie has totaled 3000..... And this vid guy is a joke..... Nothing

but an ol carnival act

Terry smith

Aurora, il usa

Sent from my iPhone

[Guest guest]

Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday .

Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard cash -

appearance fees and prize money.

That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and perhaps

the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but Guinness does not

have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish - like phone book

tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall power/strength.

Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would

indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY lucrative

PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world overall.

If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his

reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his weights

are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a

real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without the

credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame, right?

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

Whether fake or not, if he is attempting these feats post (traumatic)

paralysis, I would suggest that, at some point he will end up in a

wheelchair again, simply due to the previous bony damage causing

stress induced bony growths (osteophytes), leading to foraminal

encroachment and nerve compression. You NEVER get away with it for

ever.

Kendall Chew

Cheshire, England

[Guest guest]

You have to read between the lines here a little . If their (and again, I'm

talking about a long line of strongmen - I don't want to name names, but they're

around and they don't hide) market is built upon the reputation of being " the

strongest in the world " , there is nowhere to go but down if they were to

actually step upon a sanctioned lifting platform or into a organized strongman

competition. In my opinion, there's no doubt that they are strong - actual

numbers for official lifts are something else entirely.

I don't know how old Valentin is these days (a simple Google search would

probably turn it up but I don't care enough to check), but I'm sure he's not

looking to put out a lot of videos, books, and appearances. Even if he was, I'm

sure there's enough of a niche market for his stuff as it is.

Boris Bachmann

Des Moines, IA

________________________________

From: " deadliftdiva@... " <deadliftdiva@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:33 PM

Subject: Re: A question about a video on youtube

 

Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday .

Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard cash -

appearance fees and prize money.

That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and perhaps

the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but Guinness does not

have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish - like phone book

tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall power/strength.

Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would

indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY lucrative

PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world overall.

If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his

reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his weights

are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a

real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without the

credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame, right?

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

Valentin Dikul doesn't need anyone's recognition, and he doesn't need the

Guinness book recognition. He has been recognized at least since 80's by

thousands of people, including Soviet and Russian government. He was even a

member or deputy of the Supreme Soviet. He doesn't need you to purchase his

video or books to make money. He already has enough money. He wrote nine books,

but all of them are about overcoming different types of back pain, not about PL

or strength training. He wrote these books just to help people who suffer from

pain and couldn't afford to visit him, but could do something on their own.

He turned 64 on April 3rd. The record in 450 kg, he established when he was 61

or 62. He only bet with one Russian PL that he could do that. You cannot

understand the Russian mentality of people of his generation that is not the

dollar mentality. His motto is: " I have done that. I can walk. "

On his own experience, he has shown that people with spinal cord injuries can

restore the ability to move partially or even completely. He has helped

thousands of people in his Center for the rehabilitation of patients with spinal

injuries and the effects of cerebral palsy. It was opened in 1988. Now, there

are two centers in Moscow. Just in few years, after opening this center, it took

months and months to get an appointment with him to start working on his

rehabilitation program. I knew personally people who overcome some disability

limitations; one of them started walking again after a wheelchair.

Vladimir,

Phoenix, AZ

>

> You have to read between the lines here a little . If their (and again,

I'm talking about a long line of strongmen - I don't want to name names, but

they're around and they don't hide) market is built upon the reputation of being

" the strongest in the world " , there is nowhere to go but down if they were to

actually step upon a sanctioned lifting platform or into a organized strongman

competition. In my opinion, there's no doubt that they are strong - actual

numbers for official lifts are something else entirely.

>

>

> I don't know how old Valentin is these days (a simple Google search would

probably turn it up but I don't care enough to check), but I'm sure he's not

looking to put out a lot of videos, books, and appearances. Even if he was, I'm

sure there's enough of a niche market for his stuff as it is.

>

> Boris Bachmann

> Des Moines, IA

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " deadliftdiva@... " <deadliftdiva@...>

> Supertraining

> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:33 PM

> Subject: Re: A question about a video on youtube

>

>

>  

> Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday .

>

> Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard cash

- appearance fees and prize money.

>

> That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and perhaps

the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but Guinness does not

have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish - like phone book

tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall power/strength.

>

> Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would

indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY lucrative

PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world overall.

>

> If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his

reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his weights

are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

>

> The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a

real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

>

> Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without

the credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame, right?

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

> Denver, Colorado, USA

>

> A question about a video on youtube

>

> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

>

> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

>

>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

>

> Please share your thoughts.

>

> Edwin Freeman, Jr.

> San Francisco, USA

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is also a video of Valentin Dikul deadlifting. Look at how the person who

loads the weights on to the bar loads the weights. It looks fake and suspect.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

Re: A question about a video on youtube

Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday .

Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard cash -

appearance fees and prize money.

That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and perhaps

the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but Guinness does not

have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish - like phone book

tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall power/strength.

Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would

indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY lucrative

PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world overall.

If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his

reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his weights

are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a

real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without the

credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame, right?

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

<choke> , next time please warn me what you're putting up. good grief.

Let's say I struggled for objectivity while choking on my coffee here on this

video....but I can say that I can see the light plates showing on at least 1 of

the " lifts " - the view from 1 angle shows a lot more holes on an inside plate,

that they goofed on hiding the light plates on the " big " load there. What I'm

wondering is if there are a bunch of those really light 5 kg plates in here, it

sure looks like a training 5 kg on the inside (the full diameter of a regular

plate, but lots of holes to lighten it up?). Say they load a real plate and a

bunch of those full diameter 5 kg inside and voila, amazing lift lol.... Another

strange squat walkout though - what's with the walking it out forward and

backing in to rack?

As for bending the barbell, yeah....uh...not likely.

I also tried to look this person up and figure out if there's a name change or

gender change in there somewhere.... again though, with money now available for

" pro powerlifters " and the added sponsorships lately, you do have to ask why

this person isn't well, raking in the money if they're for real.

My eyeballs feel scarred for life, . I'm holding you responsible. I'd much

rather watch the Russian guy.... again, whether he's got the full amount or his

admirers on the tape have the weights correct, I'd say he's at least a pretty

strong guy, I still wonder a lot about that front walk out on the squat for one

thing. But then if I want to watch something amazing and real, I'd watch

Konstantin Konstantinovs DL workout and well, try to learn...

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

Re: A question about a video on youtube

Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday .

Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard

cash - appearance fees and prize money.

That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and

perhaps the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but

Guinness does not have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish -

like phone book tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall

power/strength.

Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would

indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY

lucrative PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world

overall.

If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his

reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his

weights are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a

real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without

the credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame,

right?

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA

[Guest guest]

That's an interesting comment.

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Vlad <proself2000@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Valentin Dikul doesn't need anyone's recognition, and he doesn't need the

> Guinness book recognition. He has been recognized at least since 80's by

> thousands of people, including Soviet and Russian government. He was even a

> member or deputy of the Supreme Soviet. He doesn't need you to purchase his

> video or books to make money. He already has enough money. He wrote nine

> books, but all of them are about overcoming different types of back pain,

> not about PL or strength training. He wrote these books just to help people

> who suffer from pain and couldn't afford to visit him, but could do

> something on their own.

>

> He turned 64 on April 3rd. The record in 450 kg, he established when he

> was 61 or 62. He only bet with one Russian PL that he could do that. You

> cannot understand the Russian mentality of people of his generation that is

> not the dollar mentality. His motto is: " I have done that. I can walk. "

>

> On his own experience, he has shown that people with spinal cord injuries

> can restore the ability to move partially or even completely. He has helped

> thousands of people in his Center for the rehabilitation of patients with

> spinal injuries and the effects of cerebral palsy. It was opened in 1988.

> Now, there are two centers in Moscow. Just in few years, after opening this

> center, it took months and months to get an appointment with him to start

> working on his rehabilitation program. I knew personally people who

> overcome some disability limitations; one of them started walking again

> after a wheelchair.

>

> Vladimir,

> Phoenix, AZ

>

>

> >

> > You have to read between the lines here a little . If their (and

> again, I'm talking about a long line of strongmen - I don't want to name

> names, but they're around and they don't hide) market is built upon the

> reputation of being " the strongest in the world " , there is nowhere to go

> but down if they were to actually step upon a sanctioned lifting platform

> or into a organized strongman competition. In my opinion, there's no doubt

> that they are strong - actual numbers for official lifts are something else

> entirely.

> >

> >

> > I don't know how old Valentin is these days (a simple Google search

> would probably turn it up but I don't care enough to check), but I'm sure

> he's not looking to put out a lot of videos, books, and appearances. Even

> if he was, I'm sure there's enough of a niche market for his stuff as it is.

> >

> > Boris Bachmann

> > Des Moines, IA

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " deadliftdiva@... " <deadliftdiva@...>

>

> > Supertraining

> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:33 PM

> > Subject: Re: A question about a video on youtube

> >

> >

> > Â

> > Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday .

> >

> > Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold

> hard cash - appearance fees and prize money.

> >

> > That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and

> perhaps the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but

> Guinness does not have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish

> - like phone book tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than

> overall power/strength.

> >

> > Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he

> would indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY

> lucrative PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world

> overall.

> >

> > If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his

> reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his

> weights are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

> >

> > The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two,

> with a real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

> >

> > Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons

> without the credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a

> shame, right?

> >

> > The Phantom

> > aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

> > Denver, Colorado, USA

> >

> > A question about a video on youtube

> >

> > I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

> >

> > Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

> >

> >

>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

> >

> > Please share your thoughts.

> >

> > Edwin Freeman, Jr.

> > San Francisco, USA

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I understand there are those who want to defend this gentleman on the video -

but I'm with Edwin on the way that loading looks. I've loaded 50 kg plates

before - and the first couple on each side do NOT look to be heavy. They look

different also from the 3rd one loaded....

The defense of the individual in that his government or country believe him to

be real and defend him is not sufficient to defend the credibility of the video

- in fact, the reputation may be at the foot of this question overall. Pride may

be more the case than the full strength claimed any more - the kettle bell club

also has something at stake through promoting this? If the individual truly

gains nothing by doing this, why do it...lol. Perhaps he has spent all his

money?

The behavior of the bars in the videos is part of what makes me not believe the

weights that are stated.

At any rate, it's interesting to look at and there are a good many folks who

claim unusual strength but have been disproven over the years too. YMMV .

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I would say the woman's " struggle " was to make the weights look authentic,

especially on the incline bench.

If Valentin Dikul wasn't looking to make money off his feats of strength why

would he post so many videos? Why would he write books and sell a joint balm?

Yes Mr. Dikul has accomplished a great many things - walking and lifting after a

serious spinal chord injury - and it's good that he's helped other people. If he

doesn't want to compete or get on record books that's great for him. Some people

don't care for records or competitions; something I know first hand. But he (or

a company with his permission) is posting these videos for a reason. Generally

that reason is to sell something. What better way to sell something than to pad

the numbers?

Casey Gallagher CSCS

Snohomish, WA USA

>

> <choke> , next time please warn me what you're putting up. good grief.

>

>

> Let's say I struggled for objectivity while choking on my coffee here on this

video....but I can say that I can see the light plates showing on at least 1 of

the " lifts " - the view from 1 angle shows a lot more holes on an inside plate,

that they goofed on hiding the light plates on the " big " load there. What I'm

wondering is if there are a bunch of those really light 5 kg plates in here, it

sure looks like a training 5 kg on the inside (the full diameter of a regular

plate, but lots of holes to lighten it up?). Say they load a real plate and a

bunch of those full diameter 5 kg inside and voila, amazing lift lol.... Another

strange squat walkout though - what's with the walking it out forward and

backing in to rack?

>

>

> As for bending the barbell, yeah....uh...not likely.

>

>

> I also tried to look this person up and figure out if there's a name change or

gender change in there somewhere.... again though, with money now available for

" pro powerlifters " and the added sponsorships lately, you do have to ask why

this person isn't well, raking in the money if they're for real.

>

>

> My eyeballs feel scarred for life, . I'm holding you responsible. I'd much

rather watch the Russian guy.... again, whether he's got the full amount or his

admirers on the tape have the weights correct, I'd say he's at least a pretty

strong guy, I still wonder a lot about that front walk out on the squat for one

thing. But then if I want to watch something amazing and real, I'd watch

Konstantin Konstantinovs DL workout and well, try to learn...

>

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

> Denver, Colorado, USA

>

> Re: A question about a video on youtube

>

> Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday .

>

> Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard

> cash - appearance fees and prize money.

>

> That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and

> perhaps the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but

> Guinness does not have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish -

> like phone book tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall

> power/strength.

>

> Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would

> indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY

> lucrative PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world

> overall.

>

> If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his

> reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his

> weights are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

>

> The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a

> real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

>

> Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without

> the credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame,

> right?

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are millions of suspect videos on YouTube. I think the Supertraining

listserve should continue in this line of video analyses. Time and brain well

spent. Mel would have been proud...

Boris Bachmann

Des Moines, IA 

________________________________

From: " deadliftdiva@... " <deadliftdiva@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:31 AM

Subject: Re: A question about a video on youtube

 

I understand there are those who want to defend this gentleman on the video -

but I'm with Edwin on the way that loading looks. I've loaded 50 kg plates

before - and the first couple on each side do NOT look to be heavy. They look

different also from the 3rd one loaded....

The defense of the individual in that his government or country believe him to

be real and defend him is not sufficient to defend the credibility of the video

- in fact, the reputation may be at the foot of this question overall. Pride may

be more the case than the full strength claimed any more - the kettle bell club

also has something at stake through promoting this? If the individual truly

gains nothing by doing this, why do it...lol. Perhaps he has spent all his

money?

The behavior of the bars in the videos is part of what makes me not believe the

weights that are stated.

At any rate, it's interesting to look at and there are a good many folks who

claim unusual strength but have been disproven over the years too. YMMV .

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

[Guest guest]

Hi Edwin,

I don't know this guy but my comments about the video are that there is no

reason to doubt that he is lifting heavey weights what is claimed is hard

to verify other than by going to Guines site.

For me as an IPF lifter I think that the squat was high, he bounced the

benched and may have hitched the deadlift.

I have watched a 465kg attempt by a South African lifter in 2008, which was

high also and thus failed. But always impressive when guys lift big

weights.

Nick

On 13 May 2012 08:21, <efreem3407@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

>

> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

>

> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

>

>

>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

>

> Please share your thoughts.

>

> Edwin Freeman, Jr.

> San Francisco, USA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Apology I did not sign my last post.

Regards

Nick Tatalias

Johannesburg

South Africa

On 26 May 2012 14:03, Nick Tatalias <nick.tatalias@...> wrote:

> Hi Edwin,

>

> I don't know this guy but my comments about the video are that there is no

> reason to doubt that he is lifting heavey weights what is claimed is hard

> to verify other than by going to Guines site.

> For me as an IPF lifter I think that the squat was high, he bounced the

> benched and may have hitched the deadlift.

> I have watched a 465kg attempt by a South African lifter in 2008, which

> was high also and thus failed. But always impressive when guys lift big

> weights.

>

> Nick

>

> On 13 May 2012 08:21, <efreem3407@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>>

>> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

>>

>> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

>>

>>

>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

>>

>> Please share your thoughts.

>>

>> Edwin Freeman, Jr.

>> San Francisco, USA

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Apology I did not sign my last post.

Regards

Nick Tatalias

Johannesburg

South Africa

On 26 May 2012 14:03, Nick Tatalias <nick.tatalias@...> wrote:

> Hi Edwin,

>

> I don't know this guy but my comments about the video are that there is no

> reason to doubt that he is lifting heavey weights what is claimed is hard

> to verify other than by going to Guines site.

> For me as an IPF lifter I think that the squat was high, he bounced the

> benched and may have hitched the deadlift.

> I have watched a 465kg attempt by a South African lifter in 2008, which

> was high also and thus failed. But always impressive when guys lift big

> weights.

>

> Nick

>

> On 13 May 2012 08:21, <efreem3407@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>>

>> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

>>

>> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

>>

>>

>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

>>

>> Please share your thoughts.

>>

>> Edwin Freeman, Jr.

>> San Francisco, USA

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

In all my years as a competitor and enthusiast I have never seen anyone

re-rack the weight backward in the Squat.

Too many issues, and why not just do this in competition?

Occam's razor says fake!

 

Young, London UK

www.getmightynow.com

The Skeptics Guide to Muscle, Strength & Fitness

________________________________

From: Nick Tatalias <nick.tatalias@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012, 13:07

Subject: Re: A question about a video on youtube

 

Apology I did not sign my last post.

Regards

Nick Tatalias

Johannesburg

South Africa

On 26 May 2012 14:03, Nick Tatalias <nick.tatalias@...> wrote:

> Hi Edwin,

>

> I don't know this guy but my comments about the video are that there is no

> reason to doubt that he is lifting heavey weights what is claimed is hard

> to verify other than by going to Guines site.

> For me as an IPF lifter I think that the squat was high, he bounced the

> benched and may have hitched the deadlift.

> I have watched a 465kg attempt by a South African lifter in 2008, which

> was high also and thus failed. But always impressive when guys lift big

> weights.

>

> Nick

>

> On 13 May 2012 08:21, <efreem3407@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>>

>> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

>>

>> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

>>

>>

>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

>>

>> Please share your thoughts.

>>

>> Edwin Freeman, Jr.

>> San Francisco, USA

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Valentin Dikul is a holder of world record in walking with a shouldered weight -

over 2000 lbs for 10 metres.

Kapil.V,

Thrissur.

> >

> >> **

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

> >>

> >> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

> >>

> >>

> >>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

> >>

> >> Please share your thoughts.

> >>

> >> Edwin Freeman, Jr.

> >> San Francisco, USA

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Not to be argumentative, but he does not show up on the world record site at

all. The best vetted " world records " of this sort would be the Guinness World

Records - probably trademarked etc.

They hold official world record setting events at times, there was a strength

one held in Milan, Italy not that long ago. I know 1 of the ladies who

participated.

Without someone weighing out the plates, and overseeing the loading other than

saying it's that weight, I don't buy it with regard to what I saw on the videos

provided on this gentleman - sorry.

There are amazing feats of strength in the world, and I've seen a few - but

there are also a lot of fake plates and other things out there, again, I go with

Mel's comments about this sort of thing. I stand with those who do not agree

with this performance as " real " in that the weights do not appear to be those

stated on the video - and also with those who suggest that if the kettlebell

club wants us to believe their tape is correct, the man in question should show

up as a lifter at ANY reasonable federation's competition and perform that

deadlift. There are untested federations out there where he would not be drug

tested, and they would have weighed plates and be sure the load is proper - and

he would have NO MORE QUESTIONS! The federation may even PAY to see him do

it....

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

Re: A question about a video on youtube

Valentin Dikul is a holder of world record in walking with a shouldered weight -

over 2000 lbs for 10 metres.

Kapil.V,

Thrissur.

> >

> >> **

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

> >>

> >> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

> >>

> >>

> >>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo & NR=1 & feature=endscreen & list=PLB02C1F8\

F06F782B6

> >>

> >> Please share your thoughts.

> >>

> >> Edwin Freeman, Jr.

> >> San Francisco, USA

> >>

> >>