Re: it's been awhile = ELECTRIC SHOCK THERAPY

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They still use that as a treatment method. The University of Utah's Neuropsychiatric Institute - where they treat inpatient psych issues of every type including everything from addictions, to neuropsych, to PTSD, and you name it. But they do EST everyday (not the same patient of course) for MDD. I think it is ugly and bizarre, and I have seen the studies on it, but to me, it is barbaric (they induce a seizure for those that do not know) and it's almost like putting a hammer to the head knocking someone so silly that it takes a week to recover. Once they get back to their norm, usually within weeks, depression is back. Doesn't cure, just buys time, but pinning them down and giving them a concussion might do the same too.

Wow ...bringing back memories that really formed my opinion of the psych field, even though I studied it undergrad. I worked there for 2 years 2001-2003 as a counselor and psych tech. I had done 2 undergrad bachelors - a BA psych and BS health services management, and it was the only work I could find while in grad school as I was trying to get away from the paramedic work for awhile back then.. I also have now a post grad cert in sports psychology (focus on motivation and peak performance) and almost finished my PhD in Human Services when I got too sick and lost my job in 2010. I am praying to finish my research as everything else is done, but no $$ now . But I unless I am calling my own shots (deciding the care) I want no part of that side of psych. My Masters is in Physician Assistant studies.

So that was to set this up and say I am not completely blind to that field .......

But I did this while I was in the PA graduate program at the med school at the U. Sadly, hands down the absolute worst job I have ever had and helped me form an opinion of psych and addiction treatment that says I definitely do not see it like the norm, nor conform to the standards (I find that SSRI's in practice NEVER work - my opinion, sort of, as HONEST research backs this up and those who would often ask for them, were those who usually wanted ANYTHING that would give some altering of the mind.) I am not fond of, that's a HUGE understatement, I HATE our modern treatment of psych at all levels.

Forgive me but I think have formed an even worse opinion of addiction medicine since then and even more so a skewed view since I went through intensive outpatient rehab myself to make sure I got off forever the muscle relaxers that I had used when my PA wasn't diagnosed yet - and just for the record, I had long quit - permanently everything - narcotic long before I got in to IOP and never have had any issues since (I am not in denial). But I promised myself and family I would explore everything to make sure it never happened again. It didn't help anything, as it was behind me by them, but didn't hurt either. My damage had already been done professionally and I am still trying to recover that aspect (it's 100% about money...a long story.......)

And now they are even adding "shyness" to the big book....So were almost complete with Orwells 1984 - we will have no personality anymore. Well all be zombie-like; drab, dull living creatures. If you smile too much, we fix it. If you're shy and goofy and can't ask a girl out, well give you a medicine for that (though I think we have one - it's called alcohol) . ouch

-- On Sat, 6/9/12, Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...> wrote:

From: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Subject: Re: Re: it's been awhile"hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 8:57 PM

Still used sometimes.

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MS, MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Jun 9, 2012, at 20:52, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA <georgewbill@...> wrote:

Over the years my mother had many Electric Shock Treatments. Before they had meds that was the only treament they had. She still had them in the 1990s. > > > > >> > > > > I have had hyperaldosteronism. I had surgery to remove my left adrenal gland a few years ago. My BP is well controlled now as well as my potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or anything else? > > > > > How has my health been? Terrible. Mostly severe depression, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol...etc...> > > > > My memory is poor.> > >> >>

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, you may get a laugh out of the fact that the inept doctor who diagnosed

my PA as " middle aged woman problems " was an internist with a specialty in -

wait for it! - addiction medicine.

Interestingly enough, he thought the best med for me was an SNRI, Cymbalta.

I knew better

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adrenal gland a few years ago. My BP is well controlled now as well as my

potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or

anything else?

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diabetes, high cholesterol...etc...

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Ugh....the answer to everything is the SSRI isn't it. I bet some doc is using it off-label to treat a hangnail.

From: msmith_1928 <janeray1940@...>Subject: Re: it's been awhile = ELECTRIC SHOCK THERAPYhyperaldosteronism Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 11:08 PM

, you may get a laugh out of the fact that the inept doctor who diagnosed my PA as "middle aged woman problems" was an internist with a specialty in - wait for it! - addiction medicine.Interestingly enough, he thought the best med for me was an SNRI, Cymbalta.I knew better > > > > > >> > > > > > I have had hyperaldosteronism. I had surgery to remove my left adrenal gland a few years ago. My BP is well controlled now as well as my potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or anything else? > > > > > > How has my health been? Terrible. Mostly severe depression, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol...etc...> > > > > > My memory is poor.>

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Even when I was truly depressed - having an illness does that to us, doesn't it?

- I was skeptical of taking a pill for it. Tried it though, and it just made me

gain weight - which was depressing in and of itself!

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adrenal gland a few years ago. My BP is well controlled now as well as my

potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or

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diabetes, high cholesterol...etc...

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In the past they also tried insulin shock treatment. My mother also had them.

did find that some died from doing this so stopped doing them.

Belived the newer treatments are more refined as only takes about a day to

recover.

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adrenal gland a few years ago. My BP is well controlled now as well as my

potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or

anything else?

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diabetes, high cholesterol...etc...

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Believe there is no real science to back up any treatment for mental problems.

My mother's Dr always told us they did not know if or how any treatment worked.

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adrenal gland a few years ago. My BP is well controlled now as well as my

potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or

anything else?

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diabetes, high cholesterol...etc...

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Some may find this of intrest.

http://www.sci.sdsu.edu/classes/psychology/psy860/readings/bipolar.pdf

In part

Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal Axis

and Bipolar Disorder

C. Daban, PhDa, E. Vieta, MD, PhDa,

P. Mackin, MB, BS, PhD, MRCPsychb,*,

A.H. Young, MB, ChB, MPhil, PhD, FRCPsychb,c

aBipolar Disorders Program, Hospital Clinic, University of Barcelona, Barcelona,

Spain

bUniversity of Newcastle Upon Tyne, Newcastle Upon Tyne, NE1 7RU United Kingdom

cUniversity of Barcelona, Gran Via Corts Catalanes, 585 08007 Barcelona, Spain

The role of dysfunctional endocrine systems in the pathogenesis of mood

disorders has been the focus of research for many decades. The complexity

of endocrine systems and their interaction with neural networks frustrated

early attempts to establish links between endocrinology and neuropsychiatry

[1]. In the past 40 years, considerable advances have been made in the

field of neuroendocrinology, highlighting the etiopathogenic significance of

endocrine systems in mood disorders. More recently, the hypothalamicpituitary-

adrenal (HPA) axis has been the focus of research investigating the

pathogenesis of bipolar disorder. Novel therapeutic approaches targeting

the HPA axis have also evolved. This article focuses specifically on the role

of the HPA axis in bipolar disorder.

Glucocorticoids

Glucocorticoids are hormones that are end products of the HPA axis and

are central to the stress response. During the acute stress response,

glucocorticoids induce short-term adaptive changes such as mobilizing energy

reserves. They are also involved in long-term adaptive changes such as shaping

and regulating a number of physiologic processes including immune

responsiveness and activation of the sympathetic nervous system

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potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or

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And yes they do talk about Cortisol.

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potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or

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My doc believes all mental illness has an organic base. Not knowing that base nor how to fix it, they treat symptoms as best they can. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA Some may find this of intrest. http://www.sci.sdsu.edu/classes/psychology/psy860/readings/bipolar.pdf

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My recommendation is to not see someone who specializes in what you don't have. Hammer and nail thing. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Jun 9, 2012, at 23:08, msmith_1928 <janeray1940@...> wrote:

, you may get a laugh out of the fact that the inept doctor who diagnosed my PA as "middle aged woman problems" was an internist with a specialty in - wait for it! - addiction medicine.

Interestingly enough, he thought the best med for me was an SNRI, Cymbalta.

I knew better

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Much like high blood pressure but it s much Easier to measure BP and excellent evidence that treatment is better than no treatment. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Jun 10, 2012, at 13:17, Valarie <val@...> wrote:

My doc believes all mental illness has an organic base. Not knowing that base nor how to fix it, they treat symptoms as best they can. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA Some may find this of intrest. http://www.sci.sdsu.edu/classes/psychology/psy860/readings/bipolar.pdf

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Hand up for weight gain too...

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potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or

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not sure if I follow what you are saying here....

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potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or

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If a carpenter with a hammer sees a nail he drives it.That is what carpenters do.So if a Dr. who specializes in XXX then it is more likely he will Dx XXX in more people he sees.I have been accused of this when I find so much PA when I look for it.CE Grim MDOn Jun 11, 2012, at 10:38 PM, lyndyst63 wrote: not sure if I follow what you are saying here.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had hyperaldosteronism. I had surgery to remove my left adrenal gland a few years ago. My BP is well controlled now as well as my potassium. Do I need to have regular checks for adolsterum (spelling?) or anything else? > > > > > > > > How has my health been? Terrible. Mostly severe depression, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol...etc... > > > > > > > > My memory is poor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >