Guest guest Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Ralph, I was thinking about the same after reading the story of the trainer who gained weight and then lost it again. It didn't seem convincing, especially in view of the posts of the last 6 months, discussing how much weight one can lose without losing muscle mass. One post mentioned the post-war Minnesota study, linking how much weight one could lose. Another recent post (by you) quoted the science-section article appeared in the New York in the last couple of weeks, which said that to lose 10 lb of fat it would take 1 year or so. You are looking at the complementary effect, but still I think the two things are related. Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote: > ** > > > I know that this topic has been covered in past but I am having trouble > finding the data. > > How quickly and how much muscle mass can be added with good nutrition and > proper strength training without the aid of anabolic steroids? For the > most part I often see exaggerated claims of increase in muscle mass. > Scientific data appreciated if possible. > > Ralph Giarnella MD > Southington Ct. USA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 In a message dated 6/9/2012 1:07:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Giovanni.Ciriani@... writes: I was thinking about the same after reading the story of the trainer who gained weight and then lost it again. It didn't seem convincing, especially in view of the posts of the last 6 months, discussing how much weight one can lose without losing muscle mass. In the Game of Shadows,authors Wada and point out the following: " After the summit at BALCO, Montgomery [sprinter Tim] underwent a startling transformation. By Conte's account, he gained 28 pounds of muscle in only eight weeks. " Ken Jakalski Lisle High School Lisle, IL USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 ? " After the summit at BALCO, Montgomery [sprinter Tim] underwent a startling transformation. By Conte's account, he gained 28 pounds of muscle in only eight weeks. "  Is that with or without magic supplements? I vaguely remember some one posting that  in non drug enhanced  athletes it might take up to a year to gain 8-10 lbs of real muscle. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct. USA ________________________________ From: " CoachJ1@... " <CoachJ1@...> Supertraining Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Re: Muscle mass  In a message dated 6/9/2012 1:07:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Giovanni.Ciriani@... writes: I was thinking about the same after reading the story of the trainer who gained weight and then lost it again. It didn't seem convincing, especially in view of the posts of the last 6 months, discussing how much weight one can lose without losing muscle mass. In the Game of Shadows,authors Wada and point out the following: " After the summit at BALCO, Montgomery [sprinter Tim] underwent a startling transformation. By Conte's account, he gained 28 pounds of muscle in only eight weeks. " Ken Jakalski Lisle High School Lisle, IL USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 We did a study series on over 200 hs/college athletes using strength training for performance enhancement as opposed to mass gain per se. Our study and control groups were given nutritional, recovery and mental training information that was identical, as was the follow up. The difference between groups was the strength training periodization scheme, with total volume controlled across groups for each 6wk training and 2wk taper cycle. Across groups with follow up over the course of 6mos in training+competitive seasons, we saw at most a 4lb total wt gain and 8lb muscle gain in one study arm. Over the study duration, the entire athlete population averaged 2lb total wt gain and 4lb muscle mass. Bodyfats were measured every 6wks and #s are rounded for simplicity. We had football, hockey, soccer and basketball athletes in the study, which focused on measures of speed, strength etc as outcomes. Mass gains as a percentage of start weight/lbm were similar by sport. This seems in line with the thread here in terms of athletes without PED gaining muscle mass is concerned. We were quite a bit more aggressive with support...following meal diaries and so on...and we didn't aim for mass per se...but the data were strong and it was a big longitudinal study. Cialone, MD Rochester, NY, USA Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Re: Muscle mass  In a message dated 6/9/2012 1:07:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Giovanni.Ciriani@... writes: I was thinking about the same after reading the story of the trainer who gained weight and then lost it again. It didn't seem convincing, especially in view of the posts of the last 6 months, discussing how much weight one can lose without losing muscle mass. In the Game of Shadows,authors Wada and point out the following: " After the summit at BALCO, Montgomery [sprinter Tim] underwent a startling transformation. By Conte's account, he gained 28 pounds of muscle in only eight weeks. " Ken Jakalski Lisle High School Lisle, IL USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Hi Ralph! In a message dated 6/10/2012 1:43:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ragiarn@... writes: that with or without magic supplements? I vaguely remember some one posting that in non drug enhanced athletes it might take up to a year to gain 8-10 lbs of real muscle. No. that is enhanced. Conte said he had Montgomery " cocktailing The Clear, growth hormone, insulin, EPO, and adrenaline. " Not only had Montgomery " won the American title using Conte's arsenal of banned substances, he also received a letter from the U.S. Anti-doping Agency congratulating him on providing a clean test sample after is race. " Ken Jakalski Lisle, Illinois USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Victor Conte was injecting his athletes with testosterone; also using human growth hormone. He said this in many interviews on television. Edwin Freeman, Jr. San Francisco, USA Re: Re: Muscle mass In a message dated 6/9/2012 1:07:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Giovanni.Ciriani@... writes: I was thinking about the same after reading the story of the trainer who gained weight and then lost it again. It didn't seem convincing, especially in view of the posts of the last 6 months, discussing how much weight one can lose without losing muscle mass. In the Game of Shadows,authors Wada and point out the following: " After the summit at BALCO, Montgomery [sprinter Tim] underwent a startling transformation. By Conte's account, he gained 28 pounds of muscle in only eight weeks. " Ken Jakalski Lisle High School Lisle, IL USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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