Re: Static Stretching Post Workout?

[Guest guest]

I have been enjoying the thread on cool down etc (makes sense to me not to go

too mad with it) and I thought I would pitch in on static stretching post

workout. I am an endurance coach (triathlon) and have never given static

stretching after hard training sessions (say track (running) or strength), I do

after easier sessions. If one of our aims in the harder sessions is overload,

we more than likely, will get some micro tearing of fibres leading to DOMS. Why

would you then stretch the very same fibres that we are looking to repair?

I see this with track athletes all the time, they do a hard set and then spend

ages cooling down and stretching. I get funny looks from new athletes joining

my sessions, when I ask them not to stretch post workout, but they catch on.

Beckinsale M.Sc

Head Coach

Optima Racing Team

www.optimaracingteam.com

Supertraining

From: efreem3407@...

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:33:08 -0400

Subject: Static Stretching Post Workout?

I do heavy powerlifting workouts. When my workouts are done I am too

tired to do a bout of stretching cool down. Is the cool down of stretching

really necessary?

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

In a message dated 10/21/2009 10:48:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

tye@... writes:

Hmm, I don't notice any difference in recovery, soreness, stiffness,

etc if I cool down or not. Like one poster mentioned after a really

tough bout of sprint-type effort, I do find it helpful to avoid

dizziness, but I think that's just a function of rapid change in

heart-rate and blood pressure, so easing the transition for a few

seconds seems to make sense. For 1RM type efforts, it's just good but

not tiring warmup, then blast, then stop. Works fine for me. Only

been PLing since 1996, but as I get older the only thing besides the

actual development effort that actually works and is needed is a good

warmup, IMHO.

However, if I'm really trying to work on improving my flexibility, I

find that developmental stretching after good workouts (particularly

legs and cardio) do tend to give faster and better gains in

flexibility. While this may look like a cooldown to some, it's

actually just the tail end of my workout. ;-)

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[Guest guest]

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> I have been enjoying the thread on cool down etc (makes sense to me not to go

too mad with it) and I thought I would pitch in on static stretching post

workout. I am an endurance coach (triathlon) and have never given static

stretching after hard training sessions (say track (running) or strength), I do

after easier sessions. If one of our aims in the harder sessions is overload,

we more than likely, will get some micro tearing of fibres leading to DOMS. Why

would you then stretch the very same fibres that we are looking to repair?

>

> I see this with track athletes all the time, they do a hard set and then spend

ages cooling down and stretching. I get funny looks from new athletes joining

my sessions, when I ask them not to stretch post workout, but they catch on.

>

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Alter cites the Vandenburgh and Kaufman (1983) regarding the efficcacy

of static stretching post workout.... " demonstrates stretching related

stimulation of the passage of amino acids into the ceels, accelerate sysnthesis

inside the cells and inhibit protein degradation rates. Consequently, post

workout stretching should theorectically help muscle cells repair themselves and

synthesize energy producing enzymes... "

Vandenburgh, H.H. and Kaufman, S. (1983). Stretch and skeletal muscle

myotube growth. What is the physical to biochemical linkage? In Frontiers of

Exercise Biology (Borer, K., D.W. Edington, and T.P. White, eds.) Human Kinetics

Pub., Champlain, IL, pp. 71-84.

Carruthers

Wakefield, UK

[Guest guest]

Another comment on post workout stretching --

I am embarrassed to admit this, but I am not always symmetric about the body

center axis when running and swimming, especially when my muscles are tired

toward the end of a hard workout. I suspect I am not the only one with this

issue!! This leads to muscles and tendons tightening on one side more than the

other. Knees and lower back area are vulnerable during running, shoulders

during swimming. Post workout stretching functions to re-establish symmetry so

I don't walk around lopsided the rest of the day and make it worse.

Gloria Bach

Willseyville NY

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> > I have been enjoying the thread on cool down etc (makes sense to me not to

go too mad with it) and I thought I would pitch in on static stretching post

workout. I am an endurance coach (triathlon) and have never given static

stretching after hard training sessions (say track (running) or strength), I do

after easier sessions. If one of our aims in the harder sessions is overload,

we more than likely, will get some micro tearing of fibres leading to DOMS. Why

would you then stretch the very same fibres that we are looking to repair?

> >

> > I see this with track athletes all the time, they do a hard set and then

spend ages cooling down and stretching. I get funny looks from new athletes

joining my sessions, when I ask them not to stretch post workout, but they catch

on.

> >

>

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> Alter cites the Vandenburgh and Kaufman (1983) regarding the efficcacy

of static stretching post workout.... " demonstrates stretching related

stimulation of the passage of amino acids into the ceels, accelerate sysnthesis

inside the cells and inhibit protein degradation rates. Consequently, post

workout stretching should theorectically help muscle cells repair themselves and

synthesize energy producing enzymes... "

>

> Vandenburgh, H.H. and Kaufman, S. (1983). Stretch and skeletal muscle

> myotube growth. What is the physical to biochemical linkage? In Frontiers of

Exercise Biology (Borer, K., D.W. Edington, and T.P. White, eds.) Human Kinetics

Pub., Champlain, IL, pp. 71-84.

>

> Carruthers

> Wakefield, UK

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