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I bought an Ivanko bar that holds plenty of weight without bending permanently.

They are priced reasonably.

Tom Fahey

Dept. Kinesiology

California State University, Chico

Chico, CA 95929

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Olympic Weight Set

Hello Everyone,

I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending and

400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

--

J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

Chicago, Illinois

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I wish Ivanko bars were " reasonably priced " on the UK; my Texas power bar has

been ruined by the lifters at Darkside Barbell of London. Ruined by lifting

heavy weights!

How dare we?!

Young

www.getmightynow.com

For those who would be mighty!

On 31 Aug 2011, at 23:09, Tom Fahey <discusdoc@...> wrote:

> I bought an Ivanko bar that holds plenty of weight without bending

permanently. They are priced reasonably.

>

> Tom Fahey

> Dept. Kinesiology

> California State University, Chico

> Chico, CA 95929

> discusdoc@...

>

> Olympic Weight Set

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending and

> 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

>

> --

> J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> Chicago, Illinois

>

>

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I am no longer an active lifter, but I seriously doubt any of Darkside

Barbell lifters damaged your bar by lifting heavy weights. More likely

damaged it by dropping it while loaded with heavy weights. Dropping is not

lifting in the U.S. and doubt that it is in the U.K., although dropping

often adds to lifting joy.

Ken Doherty

Cypress, Texas

United States of America

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Young <youch01@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I wish Ivanko bars were " reasonably priced " on the UK; my Texas power bar

> has been ruined by the lifters at Darkside Barbell of London. Ruined by

> lifting heavy weights!

>

> How dare we?!

>

> Young

> www.getmightynow.com

> For those who would be mighty!

>

> On 31 Aug 2011, at 23:09, Tom Fahey <discusdoc@...> wrote:

>

> > I bought an Ivanko bar that holds plenty of weight without bending

> permanently. They are priced reasonably.

> >

> > Tom Fahey

> > Dept. Kinesiology

> > California State University, Chico

> > Chico, CA 95929

> > discusdoc@...

> >

> > Olympic Weight Set

> >

> > Hello Everyone,

> >

> > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> and

> > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

> >

> > --

> > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > Chicago, Illinois

> >

> >

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Haha Ken,

I'm pretty sure, having been present for 98% of the sessions there that the bar

wasn't dropped. I guess I just got a bum bar. In the UK Texas bars are around

half the price of Ivanko bars.

Have any other members had issues with the Texas bar?

Young

www.getmightynow.com

For those who would be mighty!

London UK,

On 2 Sep 2011, at 15:54, ken doherty <jkdoherty1@...> wrote:

> I am no longer an active lifter, but I seriously doubt any of Darkside

> Barbell lifters damaged your bar by lifting heavy weights. More likely

> damaged it by dropping it while loaded with heavy weights. Dropping is not

> lifting in the U.S. and doubt that it is in the U.K., although dropping

> often adds to lifting joy.

>

> Ken Doherty

> Cypress, Texas

> United States of America

>

> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Young <youch01@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > I wish Ivanko bars were " reasonably priced " on the UK; my Texas power bar

> > has been ruined by the lifters at Darkside Barbell of London. Ruined by

> > lifting heavy weights!

> >

> > How dare we?!

> >

> > Young

> > www.getmightynow.com

> > For those who would be mighty!

> >

> > On 31 Aug 2011, at 23:09, Tom Fahey <discusdoc@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I bought an Ivanko bar that holds plenty of weight without bending

> > permanently. They are priced reasonably.

> > >

> > > Tom Fahey

> > > Dept. Kinesiology

> > > California State University, Chico

> > > Chico, CA 95929

> > > discusdoc@...

> > >

> > > Olympic Weight Set

> > >

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> > and

> > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

> > >

> > > --

> > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > Chicago, Illinois

> > >

> > >

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Why would dropping a bar damage it?

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM, ken doherty <jkdoherty1@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I am no longer an active lifter, but I seriously doubt any of Darkside

> Barbell lifters damaged your bar by lifting heavy weights. More likely

> damaged it by dropping it while loaded with heavy weights. Dropping is not

> lifting in the U.S. and doubt that it is in the U.K., although dropping

> often adds to lifting joy.

>

> Ken Doherty

> Cypress, Texas

> United States of America

>

> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Young <youch01@...> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > I wish Ivanko bars were " reasonably priced " on the UK; my Texas power bar

> > has been ruined by the lifters at Darkside Barbell of London. Ruined by

> > lifting heavy weights!

> >

> > How dare we?!

> >

> > Young

> > www.getmightynow.com

> > For those who would be mighty!

> >

> > On 31 Aug 2011, at 23:09, Tom Fahey <discusdoc@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I bought an Ivanko bar that holds plenty of weight without bending

> > permanently. They are priced reasonably.

> > >

> > > Tom Fahey

> > > Dept. Kinesiology

> > > California State University, Chico

> > > Chico, CA 95929

> > > discusdoc@...

> > >

> > > Olympic Weight Set

> > >

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> > and

> > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick.

> I

> > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any

> recommendations?

> > >

> > > --

> > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > Chicago, Illinois

> > >

> > >

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Dropping a bar evenly is not too bad for it but dropping one side before the

other can permanently bend it after just one drop. It creates a high shear force

just inside the sleeve which the bar is not designed to resist. My suggestion is

to use caution when dropping bars and never drop them on safety pins or a box or

really an object.

Jensen Brent

Cincinnati, OH, USA

On Sep 3, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@...> wrote:

> Why would dropping a bar damage it?

> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

>

> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM, ken doherty <jkdoherty1@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > I am no longer an active lifter, but I seriously doubt any of Darkside

> > Barbell lifters damaged your bar by lifting heavy weights. More likely

> > damaged it by dropping it while loaded with heavy weights. Dropping is not

> > lifting in the U.S. and doubt that it is in the U.K., although dropping

> > often adds to lifting joy.

> >

> > Ken Doherty

> > Cypress, Texas

> > United States of America

> >

> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Young <youch01@...> wrote:

> >

> > > **

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I wish Ivanko bars were " reasonably priced " on the UK; my Texas power bar

> > > has been ruined by the lifters at Darkside Barbell of London. Ruined by

> > > lifting heavy weights!

> > >

> > > How dare we?!

> > >

> > > Young

> > > www.getmightynow.com

> > > For those who would be mighty!

> > >

> > > On 31 Aug 2011, at 23:09, Tom Fahey <discusdoc@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I bought an Ivanko bar that holds plenty of weight without bending

> > > permanently. They are priced reasonably.

> > > >

> > > > Tom Fahey

> > > > Dept. Kinesiology

> > > > California State University, Chico

> > > > Chico, CA 95929

> > > > discusdoc@...

> > > >

> > > > Olympic Weight Set

> > > >

> > > > Hello Everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> > > and

> > > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick.

> > I

> > > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any

> > recommendations?

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > > Chicago, Illinois

> > > >

> > > >

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York Barbell. Eleiko Sport. Titan. Uesaka. New York Barbell. Cap Barbell.

Troy Barbell. Ivanko. Iron Grip. Fat Bastard. Australian Barbell. Monster

Bars. Heavy Metal Barbell. Neptune Barbell.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.

San Francisco, USA

Olympic Weight Set

Hello Everyone,

I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending and

400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

--

J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

Chicago, Illinois

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Giovanni Ciriani wrote:

Why would dropping a bar damage it?

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Even the best barbells are made for specific purposes - weightlifting bars for

elastic strength, powerlifting bars for tensile strength etc. Using one type of

bar for the other activity might contribute to bending it permanently.

Of course there are many 'economy' barbells that don't hold up very well

regardless of how they're used, regardless of what the manufacturers or vendors

claim. Training facilities run by serious lifters usually avoid these, but I

think they're still fairly common in fitness/health clubs.

Regards,

Plisk

ExcelsiorSports.com

Buffalo NYPrepare To Be A Champion!

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Hi All,

Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of preventing

excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are pushing your

upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be dropped. If you

never get to this point, you really are not going to achieve optimum results.

finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too many lifts

where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

Regards

Mark Helme

Wakefield, UK

Olympic Weight Set

> >

> > Hello Everyone,

> >

> > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> and

> > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

> >

> > --

> > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > Chicago, Illinois

> >

> >

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Mark,

If what you are saying is correct, I suspect the previous " explanations "

were all made up hypothesis not grounded on the real facts: " elastic

strength " vs " tensile strength " would seem to be a semantic misunderstanding

on material science; so would seem to be the bending caused by " creation of

shear force on the sleeve " . So, is the bending of the bar just caused by

poor design and cheap material?

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Mark Helme <mark-helme@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of

> preventing excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are

> pushing your upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be

> dropped. If you never get to this point, you really are not going to achieve

> optimum results.

>

> finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too many

> lifts where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

>

> Regards

>

> Mark Helme

> Wakefield, UK

>

> Olympic Weight Set

> > >

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> > and

> > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick.

> I

> > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any

> recommendations?

> > >

> > > --

> > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > Chicago, Illinois

> > >

> > >

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Hi Mark,

The Texas bar is meant to be for for Powerlifting not weightlifting.

We often perform heavy eccentrics and accommodating resistance technique which,

in our case will create a load of upto 700 or 800lbs; if this is dropped on pins

in a power rack it can be bad for the best of bars.

As I said I don't think (95% certain) that my bar was dropped except in a

Deadlift or a Clean which shouldn't have caused it to bend. A bum bar I guess.

Young; London UK

www.getmightynow.com

For Those Who Would Be Mighty!

On 5 Sep 2011, at 21:00, " Mark Helme " <mark-helme@...> wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of

preventing excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are

pushing your upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be

dropped. If you never get to this point, you really are not going to achieve

optimum results.

>

> finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too many

lifts where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

>

> Regards

>

> Mark Helme

> Wakefield, UK

> Olympic Weight Set

> > >

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> > and

> > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

> > >

> > > --

> > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > Chicago, Illinois

> > >

> > >

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In my far distance past experience bars were bent by some moron setting it down

on a bench while substantially loaded.

Jerry Telle

lakewood CO USA

Re: Olympic Weight Set

Hi All,

Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of preventing

excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are pushing your

upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be dropped. If you

never get to this point, you really are not going to achieve optimum results.

finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too many lifts

where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

Regards

Mark Helme

Wakefield, UK

Olympic Weight Set

> >

> > Hello Everyone,

> >

> > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> and

> > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

> >

> > --

> > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > Chicago, Illinois

> >

> >

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You mean like a 865 lb shrug off the bench using straps and then drop the bar...

ooops. Nevermind.

:^)

Hobman

Saskatoon, Canada

On 9/6/11 11:08 PM, JRTELLE@... wrote:

> In my far distance past experience bars were bent by some moron setting it

down on a bench while substantially loaded.

>

>

> Jerry Telle

> lakewood CO USA

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Olympic Weight Set

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of

preventing excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are

pushing your upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be

dropped. If you never get to this point, you really are not going to achieve

optimum results.

>

> finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too many

lifts where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

>

> Regards

>

> Mark Helme

> Wakefield, UK

> Olympic Weight Set

> > >

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> > and

> > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

> > >

> > > --

> > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > Chicago, Illinois

> > >

> > >

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Hello all,

I think most people will concur that a bad bar (cheap bar) regardless of genre

will bend under stress, either from loading or dropping.

My original post based on the weightlifting bar as i was interpretting " Olympic "

to mean weightlifting. That said I have seen many people using a powerlifting

bar for squats, deadlifts etc subsequently dropping them with a heavy load and

the bar is perfectly in tact.

the only difference being they weren't dropping it from over head high as you

might be from a jerk or snatch.

I think the consensus of opinion here is avoid false economies and spend some

money wisely, eleiko, uesaka or ivanko in my expereince. I have had to use York

bars before and after two sessions it was like training with a boomerang!

Mark Helme

Wakefield, UK.

Olympic Weight Set

> > >

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> > and

> > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

> > >

> > > --

> > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > Chicago, Illinois

> > >

> > >

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That too, like putting the bar on the end of the bench for curls or even lying

triceps extension -- it doesn't take much drop to to permanently deform or bow a

bar beyond plasticity.

Jerry Telle

Lakewood CO USA

You mean like a 865 lb shrug off the bench using straps and then drop the bar

Re: Olympic Weight Set

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of

preventing excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are

pushing your upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be

dropped. If you never get to this point, you really are not going to achieve

optimum results.

>

> finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too many

lifts where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

>

> Regards

>

> Mark Helme

> Wakefield, UK

> Olympic Weight Set

> > >

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without bending

> > and

> > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're slick. I

> > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any recommendations?

> > >

> > > --

> > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > Chicago, Illinois

> > >

> > >

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Jerry,

You mean beyond elasticity.

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:19 AM, <JRTELLE@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> That too, like putting the bar on the end of the bench for curls or even

> lying triceps extension -- it doesn't take much drop to to permanently

> deform or bow a bar beyond plasticity.

>

> Jerry Telle

> Lakewood CO USA

>

>

> You mean like a 865 lb shrug off the bench using straps and then drop the

> bar

>

> Re: Olympic Weight Set

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of

> preventing excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are

> pushing your upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be

> dropped. If you never get to this point, you really are not going to achieve

> optimum results.

> >

> > finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too

> many lifts where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Mark Helme

> > Wakefield, UK

> > Olympic Weight Set

> > > >

> > > > Hello Everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without

> bending

> > > and

> > > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're

> slick. I

> > > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any

> recommendations?

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > > Chicago, Illinois

> > > >

> > > >

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No I meant plasticity or the capability of a material to return to original

shape (ability to keep shape after change) -- elasticity is ability to return to

shape from an elastic/stretched deformation -- as in stored elastic energy. Not

much difference as most would see it though my family of engineers and

scientists used plasticity more often to describe a return to original form from

a " plastic " memory. Elasticity to me does not mean deformation without return --

which these bars apparently are (deformed).

Jerry Telle

Lakewood CO USA

You mean beyond elasticity.

Re: Olympic Weight Set

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of

> preventing excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are

> pushing your upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be

> dropped. If you never get to this point, you really are not going to achieve

> optimum results.

> >

> > finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too

> many lifts where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Mark Helme

> > Wakefield, UK

> > Olympic Weight Set

> > > >

> > > > Hello Everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in my

> > > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without

> bending

> > > and

> > > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're

> slick. I

> > > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any

> recommendations?

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

> > > > Chicago, Illinois

> > > >

> > > >

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Jerry,

To deform a bar permanently it's enough to go beyond elasticity, because by

definition after elasticity begins plasticity. Therefore you don't need to

go beyond plasticity. Actually I don't think there is anything beyond

plasticity, perhaps only rupture.

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:53 AM, <JRTELLE@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> No I meant plasticity or the capability of a material to return to original

> shape (ability to keep shape after change) -- elasticity is ability to

> return to shape from an elastic/stretched deformation -- as in stored

> elastic energy. Not much difference as most would see it though my family of

> engineers and scientists used plasticity more often to describe a return to

> original form from a " plastic " memory. Elasticity to me does not mean

> deformation without return -- which these bars apparently are (deformed).

>

>

> Jerry Telle

> Lakewood CO USA

>

> You mean beyond elasticity.

>

>

> Re: Olympic Weight Set

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > Not only is dropping bars ok, but essential. firstly it is one way of

> > preventing excessive eccentric forces in the workout, secondly if you are

> > pushing your upper load limits, some reps will fail and the bar has to be

> > dropped. If you never get to this point, you really are not going to

> achieve

> > optimum results.

> > >

> > > finally if you watch most weightlifting competitions, there arent too

> > many lifts where ther bar is placed carefully back on the ground.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Mark Helme

> > > Wakefield, UK

> > > Olympic Weight Set

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello Everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > > I want to set up a home gym. I don't need a 1500 lb bar (except in

> my

> > > > > dreams), but I do need a 45 lb bar that can handle 500 without

> > bending

> > > > and

> > > > > 400-500 lbs of plates. I don't like chrome bars because they're

> > slick. I

> > > > > love rubber bars, except that they bend too easily. Any

> > recommendations?

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > J. Pitruzzello, Ph.D.

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