Guest guest Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Hmm Why would he want renin to rise? Need thumbnail so i can keep you from the other 500+ here.I know some folks down there.CE Grim MDOn May 19, 2012, at 10:09 AM, dan wrote: > > Does anyone have any suggestions in how to raise Renin. I am on > Amorilide that has been doubled twice to 20 mg and i have started the > dash about 2 mts ago. With current meds and Dash Renin is .02 aldo is > 7.2 bp is uncontrolled now at 170/118. Is there a way to raise renin > other than what i am doing. Thanks Dan ; Diagnosed with conns then > liddles now not sure of either. > It seems everything has marginal effects. I was taking Spironolactone for about 4 months with no effects except it did help keep pot up, Amoloride keeps the pot up to. I am now working with a very good research dr at Vanderbilt and i am hoping he can figure me out. So far he has only said i am extreame salt sensitive. He wants the Renin level to rise and i didnt know if there was anything I could do or change to help this. Thanks Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 And why would you mess with something like 5-HTP which is a supplement and does not have to prove any thing they say about it and there are no FDA quality controls on what goes in it.Beware.CE Grim MDOn May 20, 2012, at 1:26 AM, lvasiliu@... wrote: I also tried 5-HTP but it did raised my blood pressure and the worst thing for me was that it induced an anxiety attack! It makes sense though since increased renin will mean more angiotensin and vasoconstriction (short term effect). But the problem is NOT low renin but high aldo (the low renin I guess is.our body response to high aldo causing volume expansion and hypertension). I found out that taking more vitamin D will also raise renin (it did for me) but again PA is about high aldo which only spiro/Epler can address together with a low Na/high K aka DASH diet. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions in how to raise Renin. I am on > > Amorilide that has been doubled twice to 20 mg and i have started the > > dash about 2 mts ago. With current meds and Dash Renin is .02 aldo is > > 7.2 bp is uncontrolled now at 170/118. Is there a way to raise renin > > other than what i am doing. Thanks Dan ; Diagnosed with conns then > > liddles now not sure of either. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 In testing if Vit D (or anything else changes your renin) you need to control the following very, very carefully. Even better I would do 2 as the baseline and then 2 on the repeat. 1. Diet intake of Na and K. Best documented by urine Na and K2. Time of day and how long out of bed and sitting or standing3. If female time of month.4. Season of year esp if in a hot weather area5. Fasting or not6. Other meds or supplements taken at the time including NSAIDS7. Same lab. Variation of lab assay QA8. Sample drawn and processed correctly?9. Stress level?10. Time from last meal.To mention a few. CE On May 20, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:> I found out that taking more vitamin D will also raise renin (it did for me) but again PA is about high aldo which only spiro/Epler can address together with a low Na/high K aka DASH diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 People get desperate for sleep. www.consumerlab.com is a good place to find lab testing for supplements. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim And why would you mess with something like 5-HTP which is a supplement and does not have to prove any thing they say about it and there are no FDA quality controls on what goes in it. Beware. CE Grim MDOn May 20, 2012, at 1:26 AM, lvasiliu@... wrote:I also tried 5-HTP but it did raised my blood pressure and the worst thing for me was that it induced an anxiety attack!>> In a desperate attempt to sleep, looked at 5-HTP. Thought I had better do my homework and found this on wikepedia:> > 5-HTP can cause hypertension by increasing plasma renin activity, when not co-administered with a peripheral aromatic L-amino acid decarboxylase inhibitor, such as carbidopa or benserazide.[23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 -Tryptophan was a popular sleep aid in the 1980s until over 1,500 people became ill, several dozen died, and L-tryptophan was removed from the market as an over-the-counter product. CE Grim MDOn May 20, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Valarie wrote: People get desperate for sleep. www.consumerlab.com is a good place to find lab testing for supplements. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim And why would you mess with something like 5-HTP which is a supplement and does not have to prove any thing they say about it and there are no FDA quality controls on what goes in it. Beware. CE Grim MDOn May 20, 2012, at 1:26 AM, lvasiliu@... wrote:I also tried 5-HTP but it did raised my blood pressure and the worst thing for me was that it induced an anxiety attack!>> In a desperate attempt to sleep, looked at 5-HTP. Thought I had better do my homework and found this on wikepedia:> > 5-HTP can cause hypertension by increasing plasma renin activity, when not co-administered with a peripheral aromatic L-amino acid decarboxylase inhibitor, such as carbidopa or benserazide.[23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 If u are using an automatic device I would ignore the diastolic pressure. As long as sys it at goal. Have your team validate your device. Now hat BP HAS CHANGED and discuss stopping or tapering amiloride. Excellent. Keep up the good work. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn May 26, 2012, at 14:29, dan <dangates04@...> wrote: I am taking the dash method extreamly serious mainly because it is working well and is really not that hard to do. Over the last two weeks by bp has changed to numbers that are not like anything i have seen in the past. My bp is always high 170 over around 115. Now my systolic is too low and diatolic is too high, for the last 2 weeks it averages 124/110. This is extreame dash eating and 20 mg amoloride. I eat only chicken and washed vegetables. I have also lost 17 lbs in 3 weeks. Is this normal and why is the diatolic not coming down > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions in how to raise Renin. I am on > > > Amorilide that has been doubled twice to 20 mg and i have started > > the > > > dash about 2 mts ago. With current meds and Dash Renin is .02 aldo > > is > > > 7.2 bp is uncontrolled now at 170/118. Is there a way to raise renin > > > other than what i am doing. Thanks Dan ; Diagnosed with conns then > > > liddles now not sure of either. > > > > > It seems everything has marginal effects. I was taking > > Spironolactone for about 4 months with no effects except it did help > > keep pot up, Amoloride keeps the pot up to. I am now working with a > > very good research dr at Vanderbilt and i am hoping he can figure me > > out. So far he has only said i am extreame salt sensitive. He wants > > the Renin level to rise and i didnt know if there was anything I > > could do or change to help this. Thanks Dan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Right on the fruits and veggies but some veggies are pretty good. As detailed in the DASH book. Potatoes and Swiss Chard for example. But recommend one go to one of the sources online to look up what I like and then find what u need to do to get 4700 mg. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn May 26, 2012, at 22:18, msmith_1928 <janeray1940@...> wrote: Unless you are eating entire crates of veggies, if you are only eating chicken and veggies then I'm going to guess that you are not getting nearly enough K to be truly DASHING. In the year before my adrenalectomy, I too ate little other than chicken and veggies (also eggs, fish, and unsalted nuts, but mostly chicken and veggies) and never came close to the recommended amount of K on DASH. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC most of the K in DASH come from fruits (and by this I also mean botanical fruits such as tomatoes, not just bananas and oranges), grains, and low-fat dairy? -msmith1928 Left laparoscopic adrenalectomy 10/13/11 > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions in how to raise Renin. I am on > > > > Amorilide that has been doubled twice to 20 mg and i have started > > > the > > > > dash about 2 mts ago. With current meds and Dash Renin is .02 aldo > > > is > > > > 7.2 bp is uncontrolled now at 170/118. Is there a way to raise renin > > > > other than what i am doing. Thanks Dan ; Diagnosed with conns then > > > > liddles now not sure of either. > > > > > > > It seems everything has marginal effects. I was taking > > > Spironolactone for about 4 months with no effects except it did help > > > keep pot up, Amoloride keeps the pot up to. I am now working with a > > > very good research dr at Vanderbilt and i am hoping he can figure me > > > out. So far he has only said i am extreame salt sensitive. He wants > > > the Renin level to rise and i didnt know if there was anything I > > > could do or change to help this. Thanks Dan > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 The average fall in 6 weeks with low Na DASH IS 18 systolic but some fall more than this if this is the average. And almost all of the fall is there by 2 Weeks. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn May 26, 2012, at 21:44, lvasiliu@... wrote: Your systolic-diastolic difference (which is named pulse pressure) it's too narrow. This is not healthy. You are probably dehydrated (this is called hypovolemia). Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypovolemia It's possible that you are NOT eating enough salt (you are DASHing to extreme). From 170 drop to 124 it's probably too much in 2 weeks and you body needs time to adjust to the new "normal". Maybe Dr. Grim will comment more why the diastolic is still that high. (BTW, I'm not a doctor so better to check with an MD). > > I am taking the dash method extreamly serious mainly because it is working well and is really not that hard to do. Over the last two weeks by bp has changed to numbers that are not like anything i have seen in the past. My bp is always high 170 over around 115. Now my systolic is too low and diatolic is too high, for the last 2 weeks it averages 124/110. This is extreame dash eating and 20 mg amoloride. I eat only chicken and washed vegetables. I have also lost 17 lbs in 3 weeks. Is this normal and why is the diatolic not coming down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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