Aging performance for masters records

[Guest guest]

Hmm. There are fewer female competitors in OL for one thing? I think there are

arguably a lot more runners and female triathletes lol...

The difference between the few elite OL ladies and the masters would likely then

be considerable?

Powerlifters may be a bit of a different story - with some masters clearly

beating the briefs off their younger peers. Wouldn't recommend going up against

folks like Mike Bridges (early 50's) and several more - Brad Gillingham clearly

isn't fading either despite being a master lifter.

The ever strong Harriet Hall would be a clear deterrent in the women's division

despite being in her early 60's....

Me, I still brazenly enter the open division and set some open records lol. I've

enjoyed a fairly good overall ranking on my DL too - and I'm now a junior geezer

of 50...

The exceptions are growing more frequent and perhaps it's the rule that's

fading?

Geezer prowess is improving as more athletes compete longer, in better health

and with better recovery and training protocols.

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

Aging performance for masters records

Aging performance for masters records in athletics, swimming, rowing, cycling,

triathlon, and weightlifting.

Baker AB, Tang YQ.

Exp Aging Res. 2010 Oct;36(4):453-77.

Abstract

Record performances for Masters sporting events for swimming, cycling,

triathlon, rowing, and weightlifting were analyzed and then compared with the

authors' previously published results for Masters running, walking, and jumping

sports events. Records were normalized using the 30s age records as a baseline,

and studied through the various age ranges to the 90s. A curvilinear

mathematical model [y = 1 - exp((T - T(0))/ô)] was again used for the major

comparisons, along with slope changes using a linear model [y = á(T -T'0)]

across the age groupings. All sports declined with increasing age, with rowing

showing the least deterioration. Performances in running, swimming, and walking

were reasonably well maintained, followed by greater decline with age for

cycling, triathlon, and jumping events. Weightlifting showed the fastest and

greatest decline with increasing age. The relative performances for women, when

compared with men's performances for these Masters events, was approximately 80%

to 85%, with jumping at 73% and weightlifting at 52%. These relative

performances compared with World Record comparisons of approximately 90% (with

weightlifting at approximately 75%). All these results show no greater decline

with age for endurance events over the sprint events, though there was a greater

decline for the strength events of weightlifting and jumping.

There may be real physiological differences for these strength events, or there

may be other explanations such as training or competitive considerations or

smaller numbers participating.

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Carruthers

Wakefield, UK

[Guest guest]

while the feats of the individuals you note are great however the

question needs to be asked is can 50 yo out lift 25 yo (assuming 25

yo linda had trained has hard and long).

I raced bicycles years ago against Masters who raced professionally on the Tour

in Europe. The not only could compete with younger cyclists but often would win

the races. However they were not as fast or strong as they had been in their

prime.

Can Tommy Kono lift as much as he could in his prime? Is Jack Lalane (still

going strong in his 90s) perform the same feats he accomplished int he 50s.

Ralph Giarnella MD

Southington USA

________________________________

From: " deadliftdiva@... " <deadliftdiva@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 11:28:54 AM

Subject: Re: Aging performance for masters records

Hmm. There are fewer female competitors in OL for one thing? I think there are

arguably a lot more runners and female triathletes lol...

The difference between the few elite OL ladies and the masters would likely then

be considerable?

Powerlifters may be a bit of a different story - with some masters clearly

beating the briefs off their younger peers. Wouldn't recommend going up against

folks like Mike Bridges (early 50's) and several more - Brad Gillingham clearly

isn't fading either despite being a master lifter.

The ever strong Harriet Hall would be a clear deterrent in the women's division

despite being in her early 60's....

Me, I still brazenly enter the open division and set some open records lol. I've

enjoyed a fairly good overall ranking on my DL too - and I'm now a junior geezer

of 50...

The exceptions are growing more frequent and perhaps it's the rule that's

fading?

Geezer prowess is improving as more athletes compete longer, in better health

and with better recovery and training protocols.

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

Aging performance for masters records

Aging performance for masters records in athletics, swimming, rowing, cycling,

triathlon, and weightlifting.

Baker AB, Tang YQ.

Exp Aging Res. 2010 Oct;36(4):453-77.

Abstract

Record performances for Masters sporting events for swimming, cycling,

triathlon, rowing, and weightlifting were analyzed and then compared with the

authors' previously published results for Masters running, walking, and jumping

sports events. Records were normalized using the 30s age records as a baseline,

and studied through the various age ranges to the 90s. A curvilinear

mathematical model [y = 1 - exp((T - T(0))/ô)] was again used for the major

comparisons, along with slope changes using a linear model [y = á(T -T'0)]

across the age groupings. All sports declined with increasing age, with rowing

showing the least deterioration. Performances in running, swimming, and walking

were reasonably well maintained, followed by greater decline with age for

cycling, triathlon, and jumping events. Weightlifting showed the fastest and

greatest decline with increasing age. The relative performances for women, when

compared with men's performances for these Masters events, was approximately 80%

to 85%, with jumping at 73% and weightlifting at 52%. These relative

performances compared with World Record comparisons of approximately 90% (with

weightlifting at approximately 75%). All these results show no greater decline

with age for endurance events over the sprint events, though there was a greater

decline for the strength events of weightlifting and jumping.

There may be real physiological differences for these strength events, or there

may be other explanations such as training or competitive considerations or

smaller numbers participating.

==============

Carruthers

Wakefield, UK

[Guest guest]

The study confirms what previous research also has shown. The capacity for speed

or power drops quicker with age than strength or endurance. Sports with moderate

or little speed requirement (such as powerlifting where the primary requirement

is strength and marathon running where the primary requirement is endurance)

have less age related drop-off than olympic weightlifting or sprinting.

Hobman

Saskatoon, Canada

On 11/15/10 3:31 PM, Ralph Giarnella wrote:

> while the feats of the individuals you note are great however the

> question needs to be asked is can 50 yo out lift 25 yo (assuming

25

> yo linda had trained has hard and long).

>

> I raced bicycles years ago against Masters who raced professionally on the

Tour

> in Europe. The not only could compete with younger cyclists but often would

win

> the races. However they were not as fast or strong as they had been in their

> prime.

>

>

> Can Tommy Kono lift as much as he could in his prime? Is Jack Lalane (still

> going strong in his 90s) perform the same feats he accomplished int he 50s.

>

> Ralph Giarnella MD

> Southington USA

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " deadliftdiva@... " <deadliftdiva@...>

> Supertraining

> Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 11:28:54 AM

> Subject: Re: Aging performance for masters records

>

>

> Hmm. There are fewer female competitors in OL for one thing? I think there are

> arguably a lot more runners and female triathletes lol...

>

>

> The difference between the few elite OL ladies and the masters would likely

then

> be considerable?

>

>

> Powerlifters may be a bit of a different story - with some masters clearly

> beating the briefs off their younger peers. Wouldn't recommend going up

against

> folks like Mike Bridges (early 50's) and several more - Brad Gillingham

clearly

> isn't fading either despite being a master lifter.

>

>

> The ever strong Harriet Hall would be a clear deterrent in the women's

division

> despite being in her early 60's....

>

>

> Me, I still brazenly enter the open division and set some open records lol.

I've

> enjoyed a fairly good overall ranking on my DL too - and I'm now a junior

geezer

> of 50...

>

>

> The exceptions are growing more frequent and perhaps it's the rule that's

> fading?

>

>

> Geezer prowess is improving as more athletes compete longer, in better health

> and with better recovery and training protocols.

>

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter

> Denver, Colorado, USA

> Aging performance for masters records

>

> Aging performance for masters records in athletics, swimming, rowing, cycling,

> triathlon, and weightlifting.

>

> Baker AB, Tang YQ.

>

> Exp Aging Res. 2010 Oct;36(4):453-77.

>

> Abstract

> Record performances for Masters sporting events for swimming, cycling,

> triathlon, rowing, and weightlifting were analyzed and then compared with the

> authors' previously published results for Masters running, walking, and

jumping

> sports events. Records were normalized using the 30s age records as a

baseline,

> and studied through the various age ranges to the 90s. A curvilinear

> mathematical model [y = 1 - exp((T - T(0))/ô)] was again used for the major

> comparisons, along with slope changes using a linear model [y = á(T -T'0)]

> across the age groupings. All sports declined with increasing age, with rowing

> showing the least deterioration. Performances in running, swimming, and

walking

> were reasonably well maintained, followed by greater decline with age for

> cycling, triathlon, and jumping events. Weightlifting showed the fastest and

> greatest decline with increasing age. The relative performances for women,

when

> compared with men's performances for these Masters events, was approximately

80%

> to 85%, with jumping at 73% and weightlifting at 52%. These relative

> performances compared with World Record comparisons of approximately 90% (with

> weightlifting at approximately 75%). All these results show no greater decline

> with age for endurance events over the sprint events, though there was a

greater

> decline for the strength events of weightlifting and jumping.

>

>

> There may be real physiological differences for these strength events, or

there

> may be other explanations such as training or competitive considerations or

> smaller numbers participating.

>

>

> ==============

> Carruthers

> Wakefield, UK

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hobman wrote:

The study confirms what previous research also has shown. The capacity for

speed or power drops quicker with age than strength or endurance. Sports

with moderate or little speed requirement (such as powerlifting where the

primary requirement is strength and marathon running where the primary

requirement is endurance) have less age related drop-off than olympic

weightlifting or sprinting.

Hi ,

Also being a geezer and lifelong athlete, I agree.

I think the primary reason is the loss of TYPE II muscle fibers, and loss of

resiliency and flexibility of the skeletal tissues.

The TYPE II activate to a faster rate of force development. This faster

force development then loads the muscles elastic components (energy storage)

and the skeleton with the same, to be released during the speed actions.

While the skeletal loading is not often discussed, that loss in ROM and

ability to store energy for later return is a key component to speed and

power.

And I might suggest that " training " those properties using a type of

training that causes significant dynamic force loading to the exercise WILL

reduce this loss of ability, . . .but not stop it.

Regards,

Casler

TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

Century City, CA

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