RE: Re: Axial loading and degenerative disc issues

[Guest guest]

/All,

 

You are correct this person is not a client.  In addition, I will not be

attempting to discuss this with him any further as he is not open to further

discussion.  What I am trying to do is further my own education. 

 

I believe the human body can overcome a great deal and return to functional

ability even in severe cases with proper time, protocol, nutrition etc.. 

However, It has been my contention for some time that axial loading with

significant disc issues, using significant amounts of weight is flat out

dangerous.  However, after hearing from this person that his Physical Therapist

and his Chiro were aware that he was squatting and were ok with that, I wanted

to get feedback from medical experts/professionals to see if I was holding too

closely to a hard and fast rule.

 

This is what I'm attempting to determine.  I find it hard to believe that once

an individual has a severe disc issue that creating a downward force on the

spine with substantial amounts of weight can actually be ok.  Especially when

one considers how easily a disc can become damaged in the first place. 

ly, I'm considering eliminating the heavy barbell version from my own

program for that reason even though I don't have any disc issues.  It seems the

opinion of the group is that with proper protocol, nutrition, time, heavy loaded

squatting is ok for certain people under certain circumstances.  This is

usually where I live with these types of question as I rarely accept any

definitive answer.  I generally don't believe there is yes or no to any of

these types of questions.  Unfortunately, I am not yet convinced that the

practice is suitable and heretofore keep an open mind while continuing to

eliminate heavy barbell squats from the programs

of my clients who have disc issues. 

 

Thanks to all.  Happy New Year!

 

Tom Capobianco

Cincinnati, Ohio USA

From: pushprogress <pushprogress@...>

Subject: Re: Axial loading and degenerative disc issues

Supertraining

Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 7:54 AM

 

Perhaps I'm mistaken , but neither Tom's original post nor any of his

subsequent replies say that this person is a client. Rather, he's a person who

lifts at a gym where Tom lifts, and he is (or was) under the care of a physical

therapist and chiropractor. If I've read the posts from Tom correctly, he's

proposing to give this man advice " out of concern, " i.e., gratuitously.

Regards,

s

Ardmore, PA

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> From: carruthersjam <Carruthersjam@...>

> Subject: Re: Axial loading and degenerative disc issues

> Supertraining

> Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 3:01 PM

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> Do you have any more history regarding the client? Seems young to suffer from

severe degeneration disc problems.

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[Guest guest]

Karl,

Good for you!

Slow and steady and smart did what I said it most likely would. Extra

strength in the 'para-joint' muscles (secondary line of support), makes up

for the lack of primary (disc) support. Ive seen this hapopen with knees

quite a bit, so kudos to you.

Btw - a rupture and a herniation are one and the same.

Dr Einhorn

Stamford

Miami

Re: Axial loading and degenerative disc

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> > Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 3:01 PM

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> > Do you have any more history regarding the client? Seems young to

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> from severe degeneration disc problems.

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