Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 By way of an update - a head's up to a pretty successful therapy that's little used in North America, but has been used for over 50 years in Europe...and Mexico, even by politicians, federal agents and such who can't find it locally. While doing my studies to become an ozone hyperthermic technician here in Canada I found arthritis listed along with the other autoimmune disorders in my course as responding to ozone therapy. There are 256 so-called 'diseases' listed; cancer - all types is mentioned only once. Many people who can't afford an ozone kit work wonders with Homozon. Any questions on ozone and peroxide therapy can be answered preferably on the groups oxyplus and ozonetherapy. If you become a member of the group ozonetherapy and read the archives, moderator Saul Pressman will likely give you a booklet, The Story Of Ozone, which is also replicated here.. http://members.spree.com/ojoronen/oz.htm Of course, bowel cleanse, parasite cleanse, liver/gallbladder flush, general detoxification and nutritional concerns would be part of any successful program. In order to carry more oxygen in the system you should alkalize and mineralize as well. I've already mentioned modulating the immune response with cetylmyristoleate and its cofactors; anyone can get an e-booklet called " At Last Collastin " by Dr. Chuck Cochran by emailing me. Collastin is a cetylmyristoleate blend that is incorporated into a few specific retail products, some of which guarantee satisfaction or your money back. I'm firmly convinced that controlling or even 'curing' autoimmune disorders is possible, provided you do not use allopathic methods. You must effect a change in the biological terrain, and all diseases will be controlled at the same time. That is something most doctors do not comprehend, but naturopaths and wholistic healers do. ciao Duncan duncancrow at dot com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Thanks Georgina, in my busy day, I have neither desire or time to sift through stuff like this. Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Hello, I normally would address my reply to the sender but in this case, since Duncan chooses not receive mail from the group, it will have to be more general. This is an extremely controversial therapy! Please, before anyone even considers trying these products or this process to treat their child's JRA ... learn more from reliable, reputable, knowledgeable sources who do not have a financial interest. I won't provide articles in their entirety, as they are basically all off-topic for our list, but anyone interested can visit the URLs below. You can also learn more about ozone/ oxidation/ hydrogen peroxide therapy by doing a basic search through Google Groups. Or you can go directly to the medical journals to learn about things like the inflammatory response that this produces. Duncan, I explained the last time that this group was not the appropriate place for postings of this nature. You took the class to become an " ozone hyperthermic technician " and now you seem to be promoting this radical ~some say very dangerous~ approach as a viable alternative/complementary treatment to our list-members. I have given you the courtesy of allowing you to publicize the groups where you say our list members are directed to go to discuss this further. At this point, any future messages from your current address to the JRA List will be moderated before being posted. Sincerely, Georgina ---------------------------------------------- " ... As of 8/14/1995, a search of the Medline, Health, AIDSline, and Cancerlit databases back to 1966 turned up more than 100 papers citing adverse effects in humans or in experimental animals caused by ozone or ozone reaction products. There were no references to papers in peer-reviewed medical journals that reported beneficial effects when ozone was used as a treatment for viral infections ... " http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/oxygen.html ----------------------------------------------- Don't Believe 'Oxygen Deficiency' Scams http://www.healthscout.com/template.asp?page=newsdetail & ap=1 & id=107583 In his column in Canada's C-Health, Barrett describes how oxygen therapy scams defraud consumers " ... A more dangerous twist on the oxygen scam uses highly reactive forms of oxygen such as ozone and peroxide chemicals, which are claimed to cure a wide range of ills including cancer and AIDS. Health authorities have jailed people for selling ozone generators as medical devices but consumers should be wary of others selling such dangerous devices. The US Food and Drug Administration describes a Florida couple sentenced to prison for selling ozone generators to treat disease. One videotape claimed that " ozone will cure almost any disease " by administering the reactive gas into the rectum, vagina or ear, by breathing it through the nose or mouth, or by standing naked in a body bag filled with ozone ... " -------------------------------------------------- Oxygen hype is hot air http://www.canoe.ca/HealthAlternativeColumns/0110.html Are you getting all the oxygen you need for good health? " ... Other companies are making similar claims for pills and liquids that supposedly contain " stabilized " or " aerobic " oxygen. Some sellers claim that " oxygen deficiency " or " oxygen starvation " is an underlying cause of disease and has been increasing because the oxygen content of the earth's atmosphere has been decreasing. The above claims are about as silly as anything I have seen. Here are the facts: Oxygen from the air enters the lungs and is captured by the heme (iron) portion of the blood. The body adapts to get what it needs by changing its breathing rate. Blood returning to the lungs contains surplus oxygen. Taking oxygen into the stomach through a liquid, pill, or food would not significantly raise the body's blood level of oxygen. The recommended dosage of " stabilized oxygen " products would provide less oxygen than people get in a single deep breath. Even if it could, it would have no effect on infectious disease or on " ridding the body of toxins. " " Oxygen deficiency " is not an underlying cause of disease ... " ---------------------------------------------------- Ozone Generators Generate Prison Terms for Couple http://www.fda.gov/fdac/departs/1999/699_irs.html#colloidal " ... OCI's investigation, complemented by a multi-year IRS investigation, led in 1998 to a seven-count indictment against Thiefault and Barber. FDA-related charges focused on the couple's involvement with ozone generators and not the unapproved drugs because the devices appeared to be their main business thrust--and source of income, according to OCI. Following a two-week trial, in November 1998, a federal jury found Thiefault and Barber guilty of mail fraud, wire fraud, and distribution of an ozone generator. They also were found guilty on one count of impeding the IRS. For illegally selling ozone generators, Thiefault was sentenced to six and a half years in prison, fined $100,000, and ordered to pay $14,400 in restitution. His wife was sentenced to two years and nine months in prison and fined $60,000. Thiefault and Barber also were ordered to help the IRS compute their back taxes and pay the money due. The judge also banned both from dealing in securities, telemarketing, direct mailings, and nationwide advertising. Thiefault is now in federal prison in Minnesota. His wife is in federal prison in California. Following their prison terms, they also will serve three years of supervised release .... " ----------------------------------------------------- Duncan Crow wrote: > > By way of an update - a head's up to a pretty successful therapy > that's little used in North America, but has been used for over 50 > years in Europe...and a couple of decades in Mexico. > > While doing my studies to become an ozone hyperthermic technician > here in Canada I found arthritis listed along with ALL the other > autoimmune disorders in my course as responding to ozone or peroxide > therapy. There are 256 so-called 'diseases' listed; cancer - all > types is mentioned only once. > > Many people who can't afford an ozone kit work wonders with Homozon, > a magnesium peroxide invented at the turn of the last century. > > Any questions on ozone and peroxide therapy can be answered > preferably on the groups oxyplus and ozonetherapy. If you become > a member of the group ozonetherapy and read the archives, > moderator Saul Pressman will likely give you a booklet, The Story Of > Ozone, remaining portion snipped for space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 hello Georgina..all i have to say is one thing.. " YOU GO GIRL! " karen From: Georgina <gmckin@...> Reply- Subject: Re: ozone/oxidative therapy Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:53:48 -1000 Hello, I normally would address my reply to the sender but in this case, since Duncan chooses not receive mail from the group, it will have to be more general. This is an extremely controversial therapy! Please, before anyone even considers trying these products or this process to treat their child's JRA ... learn more from reliable, reputable, knowledgeable sources who do not have a financial interest. I won't provide articles in their entirety, as they are basically all off-topic for our list, but anyone interested can visit the URLs below. You can also learn more about ozone/ oxidation/ hydrogen peroxide therapy by doing a basic search through Google Groups. Or you can go directly to the medical journals to learn about things like the inflammatory response that this produces. Duncan, I explained the last time that this group was not the appropriate place for postings of this nature. You took the class to become an " ozone hyperthermic technician " and now you seem to be promoting this radical ~some say very dangerous~ approach as a viable alternative/complementary treatment to our list-members. I have given you the courtesy of allowing you to publicize the groups where you say our list members are directed to go to discuss this further. At this point, any future messages from your current address to the JRA List will be moderated before being posted. Sincerely, Georgina ---------------------------------------------- " ... As of 8/14/1995, a search of the Medline, Health, AIDSline, and Cancerlit databases back to 1966 turned up more than 100 papers citing adverse effects in humans or in experimental animals caused by ozone or ozone reaction products. There were no references to papers in peer-reviewed medical journals that reported beneficial effects when ozone was used as a treatment for viral infections ... " http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/oxygen.html ----------------------------------------------- Don't Believe 'Oxygen Deficiency' Scams http://www.healthscout.com/template.asp?page=newsdetail & ap=1 & id=107583 In his column in Canada's C-Health, Barrett describes how oxygen therapy scams defraud consumers " ... A more dangerous twist on the oxygen scam uses highly reactive forms of oxygen such as ozone and peroxide chemicals, which are claimed to cure a wide range of ills including cancer and AIDS. Health authorities have jailed people for selling ozone generators as medical devices but consumers should be wary of others selling such dangerous devices. The US Food and Drug Administration describes a Florida couple sentenced to prison for selling ozone generators to treat disease. One videotape claimed that " ozone will cure almost any disease " by administering the reactive gas into the rectum, vagina or ear, by breathing it through the nose or mouth, or by standing naked in a body bag filled with ozone ... " -------------------------------------------------- Oxygen hype is hot air http://www.canoe.ca/HealthAlternativeColumns/0110.html Are you getting all the oxygen you need for good health? " ... Other companies are making similar claims for pills and liquids that supposedly contain " stabilized " or " aerobic " oxygen. Some sellers claim that " oxygen deficiency " or " oxygen starvation " is an underlying cause of disease and has been increasing because the oxygen content of the earth's atmosphere has been decreasing. The above claims are about as silly as anything I have seen. Here are the facts: Oxygen from the air enters the lungs and is captured by the heme (iron) portion of the blood. The body adapts to get what it needs by changing its breathing rate. Blood returning to the lungs contains surplus oxygen. Taking oxygen into the stomach through a liquid, pill, or food would not significantly raise the body's blood level of oxygen. The recommended dosage of " stabilized oxygen " products would provide less oxygen than people get in a single deep breath. Even if it could, it would have no effect on infectious disease or on " ridding the body of toxins. " " Oxygen deficiency " is not an underlying cause of disease ... " ---------------------------------------------------- Ozone Generators Generate Prison Terms for Couple http://www.fda.gov/fdac/departs/1999/699_irs.html#colloidal " ... OCI's investigation, complemented by a multi-year IRS investigation, led in 1998 to a seven-count indictment against Thiefault and Barber. FDA-related charges focused on the couple's involvement with ozone generators and not the unapproved drugs because the devices appeared to be their main business thrust--and source of income, according to OCI. Following a two-week trial, in November 1998, a federal jury found Thiefault and Barber guilty of mail fraud, wire fraud, and distribution of an ozone generator. They also were found guilty on one count of impeding the IRS. For illegally selling ozone generators, Thiefault was sentenced to six and a half years in prison, fined $100,000, and ordered to pay $14,400 in restitution. His wife was sentenced to two years and nine months in prison and fined $60,000. Thiefault and Barber also were ordered to help the IRS compute their back taxes and pay the money due. The judge also banned both from dealing in securities, telemarketing, direct mailings, and nationwide advertising. Thiefault is now in federal prison in Minnesota. His wife is in federal prison in California. Following their prison terms, they also will serve three years of supervised release .... " ----------------------------------------------------- Duncan Crow wrote: > > By way of an update - a head's up to a pretty successful therapy > that's little used in North America, but has been used for over 50 > years in Europe...and a couple of decades in Mexico. > > While doing my studies to become an ozone hyperthermic technician > here in Canada I found arthritis listed along with ALL the other > autoimmune disorders in my course as responding to ozone or peroxide > therapy. There are 256 so-called 'diseases' listed; cancer - all > types is mentioned only once. > > Many people who can't afford an ozone kit work wonders with Homozon, > a magnesium peroxide invented at the turn of the last century. > > Any questions on ozone and peroxide therapy can be answered > preferably on the groups oxyplus and ozonetherapy. If you become > a member of the group ozonetherapy and read the archives, > moderator Saul Pressman will likely give you a booklet, The Story Of > Ozone, remaining portion snipped for space _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Dear Georgina, Thanks for watching out for all us JRA-ers! and Kate (6 1/2--severe poly, avascular necrosis of hips) P.S. Kate's birthday is Wednesday October 3rd--so not much longer till we can do away with that 6 1/2 and go to 7!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Thanks Georgina. Val In a message dated Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:55:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Georgina <gmckin@...> writes: > Hello, > > I normally would address my reply to the sender but in this case, since > Duncan chooses not receive mail from the group, it will have to be more > general. > > This is an extremely controversial therapy! Please, before anyone even > considers trying these products or this process to treat their child's > JRA ... learn more from reliable, reputable, knowledgeable sources who > do not have a financial interest. I won't provide articles in their > entirety, as they are basically all off-topic for our list, but anyone > interested can visit the URLs below. You can also learn more about > ozone/ oxidation/ hydrogen peroxide therapy by doing a basic search > through Google Groups. Or you can go directly to the medical journals to > learn about things like the inflammatory response that this produces. > > Duncan, I explained the last time that this group was not the > appropriate place for postings of this nature. You took the class to > become an " ozone hyperthermic technician " and now you seem to be > promoting this radical ~some say very dangerous~ approach as a viable > alternative/complementary treatment to our list-members. I have given > you the courtesy of allowing you to publicize the groups where you say > our list members are directed to go to discuss this further. At this > point, any future messages from your current address to the JRA List > will be moderated before being posted. > > Sincerely, > Georgina > ---------------------------------------------- > > " ... As of 8/14/1995, a search of the Medline, Health, AIDSline, and > Cancerlit databases back to 1966 turned up more than 100 papers citing > adverse effects in humans or in experimental animals caused by ozone or > ozone reaction products. There were no references to papers in > peer-reviewed medical journals that reported beneficial effects when > ozone was used as a treatment for viral infections ... " > > http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/oxygen.html > ----------------------------------------------- > > Don't Believe 'Oxygen Deficiency' Scams > http://www.healthscout.com/template.asp?page=newsdetail & ap=1 & id=107583 > > In his column in Canada's C-Health, Barrett describes how oxygen therapy > scams defraud consumers > > " ... A more dangerous twist on the oxygen scam uses highly reactive > forms of oxygen such as ozone and peroxide chemicals, which are claimed > to cure a wide range of ills including cancer and AIDS. Health > authorities have jailed people for selling ozone generators as medical > devices but consumers should be wary of others selling such dangerous > devices. The US Food and Drug Administration describes a Florida couple > sentenced to prison for selling ozone generators to treat disease. One > videotape claimed that " ozone will cure almost any disease " by > administering the reactive gas into the rectum, vagina or ear, by > breathing it through the nose or mouth, or by standing naked in a body > bag filled with ozone ... " > -------------------------------------------------- > > Oxygen hype is hot air > http://www.canoe.ca/HealthAlternativeColumns/0110.html > Are you getting all the oxygen you need for good health? > > " ... Other companies are making similar claims for pills and liquids > that supposedly contain " stabilized " or " aerobic " oxygen. Some sellers > claim that " oxygen deficiency " or " oxygen starvation " is an underlying > cause of disease and has been increasing because the oxygen content of > the earth's atmosphere has been decreasing. > > The above claims are about as silly as anything I have seen. Here are > the facts: > > Oxygen from the air enters the lungs and is captured by the heme (iron) > portion of the blood. The body adapts to get what it needs by changing > its breathing rate. Blood returning to the lungs contains surplus > oxygen. Taking oxygen into the stomach through a liquid, pill, or food > would not significantly raise the body's blood level of oxygen. The > recommended dosage of " stabilized oxygen " products would provide less > oxygen than people get in a single deep breath. Even if it could, it > would have no effect on infectious disease or on " ridding the body of > toxins. " " Oxygen deficiency " is not an underlying cause of disease ... " > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Ozone Generators Generate Prison Terms for Couple > http://www.fda.gov/fdac/departs/1999/699_irs.html#colloidal > > " ... OCI's investigation, complemented by a multi-year IRS > investigation, led in 1998 to a seven-count indictment against Thiefault > and Barber. FDA-related charges focused on the couple's involvement with > ozone generators and not the unapproved drugs because the devices > appeared to be their main business thrust--and source of income, > according to OCI. Following a two-week trial, in November 1998, a > federal jury found Thiefault and Barber guilty of mail fraud, wire > fraud, and distribution of an ozone generator. They also were found > guilty on one count of impeding the IRS. > > For illegally selling ozone generators, Thiefault was sentenced to six > and a half years in prison, fined $100,000, and ordered to pay $14,400 > in restitution. His wife was sentenced to two years and nine months in > prison and fined $60,000. Thiefault and Barber also were ordered to help > the IRS compute their back taxes and pay the money due. The judge also > banned both from dealing in securities, telemarketing, direct mailings, > and nationwide advertising. Thiefault is now in federal prison in > Minnesota. His wife is in federal prison in California. Following their > prison terms, they also will serve three years of supervised release > ... " > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Duncan Crow wrote: > > > > By way of an update - a head's up to a pretty successful therapy > > that's little used in North America, but has been used for over 50 > > years in Europe...and a couple of decades in Mexico. > > > > While doing my studies to become an ozone hyperthermic technician > > here in Canada I found arthritis listed along with ALL the other > > autoimmune disorders in my course as responding to ozone or peroxide > > therapy. There are 256 so-called 'diseases' listed; cancer - all > > types is mentioned only once. > > > > Many people who can't afford an ozone kit work wonders with Homozon, > > a magnesium peroxide invented at the turn of the last century. > > > > Any questions on ozone and peroxide therapy can be answered > > preferably on the groups oxyplus and ozonetherapy. If you become > > a member of the group ozonetherapy and read the archives, > > moderator Saul Pressman will likely give you a booklet, The Story Of > > Ozone, > > remaining portion snipped for space > > > For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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