Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Giovanni wrote: Your observation regarding uphill - modifying the posture and hamstring that start burning - is extremely interesting. Is your observation that the quads engage harder or not? How do you know when you have downshifted enough going uphill? ************************** The question of uphill riding is a little more complex. The answer depends on a number of factors. Is it a long hill with a gradual incline or is it a short but steep hill. Is the individual riding in a group, racing, leisure riding or is the hill part of a race? If it is a race, is the race a short 20-25 mile criterium or a long 60-100 mile road race. I guess you are asking specifically whether the quads are engaging harder on the the hills, as opposed to on the flats? My generic answer is no the quads should not work any harder than they do on the flats unless the hill is at the end of the ride or race and the rider is not concerned about using up too much energy to soon. On short steep hills if the rider wishes to maintain a certain speed he/she may wish to power over the hill but generally you would want to maintain the same power output going up a hill as you would on the flats. The key to riding hills is to try and maintain a steady pace both with regards to power output and cadence. In approaching a hill I have learned over the years to down shift before my cadence begins to decrease and to continue to down shift until I run out of gears. Generally as I approach the bottom of the hill, if I am pedaling at a cadence of 85-90 I will down shift to a lower gear so that I hit the bottom of the hill at a cadence of 95-100 and as my cadence begins to drop down towards 85 I will shift again. I will continue downshifting until I am at my lowest gear ratio. At which point, if there is still more hill to climb I will settle into a steady pace and pay close attention to my HR monitor and my respiratory rate. The reason bicycles have so many gears is to allow the rider to keep lowering the gears to maintain an optimum gear ratio. RGMD *********************** Giovanni wrote: As I said before, I agree about the different usage of different fiber types, and why it makes sense. However, the passage from Michele Ferrari doesn't address where do we stop for an optimal rpm cadence. If I, you and Ferrari e just followed the circular reasoning that faster pedaling was better, than 100 rpm would be better than 90 rpm, 110 rpm would be better than 100 rpm and so on, ad infinitum. ********************************* Concerning question about cadence, it is generally accepted amongst the racing cyclists that the optimum cadence for racing is between 80-100 with some finding the 80-90 being most comfortable and other 90-100 better. I personally prefer to maintain a cadence between 85-95. The individual’s preferred cadence will depend on a lot of variables including their state of training, cardiovascular fitness, type of race etc. Since pedaling at a higher cadence puts more work on the ST fibers an individual who has not spent enough time training the ST fibers may find this higher cadence more difficult to sustain. HIgher cadence puts greater stress on cardiac output, the pulmonary system and the vascular system. Again if an individual finds these systems are being taxed they might find it easier to shift to a cadence that will put greater stress on the FT fibers. This individual should avoid long road races with long hill climbs. This individual might be better suited to race criterium races which generally last less than 1 hour and are run on relatively flat courses. RGMD ******************************* Giovanni wrote: There must be a speed where the gain in using type I fibers is completely offset by some other types of loss (sliding filament theory). And none of these authors seem to address it. *********************** The gain in using type I fibers is offset by it being less economical (with regards to use of Oxygen) The heart has to pump more blood and Oxygen to the muscles. There are a number of studies that address this very issue. I have put some references below. Perhaps the most complete is #12. To the racer with a high VO2 max and well developed type I fibers this is not an issue especially since they can better utilize fat as the primary source of energy. Glycogen is in short supply so any work that can be done utilize fat saves glycogen. The recreational cyclists out for 1-2 hr ride may not be as concerned about the limited glycogen supply. RGMD ************************ Giovanni wrote: I postulate that even for the same athlete different power output have each different optimal rpm. ******************************* Perhaps you can clarify what you mean by that statement. On the bike maximum power output can only be achieved at the higher cadences. I think that it is safe to state that all other things being equal (terrain, wind etc) speed of a bike will be proportional to power output. Below are some calculations maximum speed attainable at various cadences. I used the standard gear ratios (53/13) used on most bicycles. Competitive cyclists can outfit their bikes with bigger gears.. 53x13...@40 rpm...13.1 mph 53x13...@60 rpm...19.6mph 53x13...@80 rpm...26.2mph 53x13...@90 rpm...29.5mph 53x13..@... 53x13..@120 rpm...39.3mph' 175 mm cranks http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/ Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA ************************ References: 1)The most economical cadence increases with increasing workload, Øivind Foss1 and Jostein Hallén1 Contact Information. Institute of Sports and Biological Studies, Norwegian University of Sport and Physical Education, Ullevål Stadion, PO Box 4014, 0806 Oslo, Norway. Accepted: 25 May 2004 Published online: 1 July 2004 Abstract: The purpose of this study was to test the hypothesis that the most economical cadence in elite cyclists increases with increasing workload and to explore the effect of cadence on performance. Six elite road cyclists performed submaximal and maximal tests at four different cadences (60, 80, 100 and 120 rpm) on separate days. Respiratory data was measured at 0, 50, 125, 200, 275 and 350 W during the submaximal test and at the end of the maximal test. The maximal test was carried out as an incremental test, conducted to reveal differences in maximal oxygen uptake and time to exhaustion (short-term performance) between cadences. The results showed that the lowest oxygen uptake, i.e. the best work economy, shifted from 60 rpm at 0 W to 80 rpm at 350 W (P<0.05). No difference was found in maximal oxygen uptake among cadences (P>0.05), while the best performance was attained at the same cadence that elicited the best work economy (80 rpm) at 350 W (P<0.05). This study demonstrated that the most economical cadence increases with increasing workload in elite cyclists. It was further shown that work economy and performance are related during short efforts (~5 min) over a wide range of cadences. 2)Cycling cadence alters exercise hemodynamics Auteur(s) / Author(s) GOTSHALL R. W. ; BAUER T. A. ; FAHMER S. L. ; Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s) Colorado State univ., dep. exercise sport sci., Fort CO 80523, ETATS-UNIS Heart rate, stroke volume, cardiac output and blood pressure were increased, and vascular resistance decreased, with increased cadence. Cardiac output increased (34%)in excess of the increase in oxygen uptake (15%) as shown by the decrease (-14.5%) in the arterial-venous oxygen difference occurring with increasing cadence. Apparently, even though the workload was constant, the increase in pedal cadence resulted in a more effective skeletal-muscle pump which increased muscle blood flow and venous retum 3) Cycling Cadence and Pedaling Economy by Ken Mierke on September 12, 2005 in Bike Spinning at higher cadences reduces the watts-per-pedal-stroke, a measure of the force required to produce a given wattage. This makes the workload more tolerable for the muscles. Most experts believe that this is because fewer fast-twitch muscle fibers must be recruited to create the high torque levels required at low cadence. Pedaling with a too-low cadence increases reliance on fast twitch fibers, causing premature lactate accumulation. 4) Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise: APPLIED SCIENCES: Biodynamics: PDF Only Effect of cadence on the economy of uphill cycling SWAIN, DAVID P.; WILCOX, JONATHAN P. We conclude that uphill cycling is more economical at a high versus a low cadence. 5) Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise: September 1997 - Volume 29 - Issue 9 - pp 1225-1232 Applied Sciences: Biodynamics Effect of cycling experience, aerobic power, and power output on preferred and most economical cycling cadences MARSH, ANTHONY P.; MARTIN, PHILIP E. The preferred cadences (PC) of all groups were significantly higher than their respective most economical cadences at all power outputs. Changes in power output had little effect on the most economical cadence, which was between 53.3 and 59.9 rpm, in all groups. It was concluded that cycling experience and minimization of aerobic demand are not critical determinants of PC in well-trained individuals. It was speculated that less-trained noncyclists, who cycled at a higher percentage of˙VO2max, may have selected lower PC to reduce aerobic demand. 6)Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise: June 2004 - Volume 36 - Issue 6 - pp 1048-1054 APPLIED SCIENCES: Physical Fitness and Performance In Professional Road Cyclists, Low Pedaling Cadences Are Less Efficient LUCIA, ALEJANDRO; SAN JUAN, ALEJANDRO F.; MONTILLA, MANUEL; CAÑETE, SILVIA; SANTALLA, ALFREDO; EARNEST, CONRAD; PÉREZ, MARGARITA to determine the effects of changes in pedaling frequency on the gross efficiency (GE) and other physiological variables (oxygen uptake (V̇O2), HR, lactate, pH, ventilation, motor unit recruitment estimated by EMG) of professional cyclists while generating high power outputs (PO). Conclusions: In professional road cyclists riding at high Power output, GE/economy improves at increasing pedaling cadences. 7)Muscle recruitment pattern in cycling: a review Physical Therapy in Sport, Volume 6, Issue 2, Pages 89-96 R.So, J.Ng, G.Ng There is a unique cadence that minimizes the muscle activation level at a specific level of power output. This cadence will increase as the power output increases. 8)Muscle fiber type effects on energetically optimal cadences in cycling Journal of Biomechanics, Volume 39, Issue 8, Pages 1472-1479 B. Umberger, K. Gerritsen, P. Abstract Fast-twitch (FT) and slow-twitch (ST) muscle fibers vary in their mechanical and energetic properties, and it has been suggested that muscle fiber type distribution influences energy expenditure and the energetically optimal cadence during pedaling. However, it is challenging to experimentally isolate the effects of muscle fiber type on pedaling energetics. In the present study, a modeling and computer simulation approach was used to test the dependence of muscle energy expenditure on pedaling rate during submaximal cycling. Simulations were generated using a musculoskeletal model at cadences from 40 to 120revmin−1, and the dynamic and energetic properties of the model muscles were scaled to represent a range of muscle fiber types. Energy expenditure and the energetically optimal cadence were found to be higher in a model with more FT fibers than a model with more ST fibers, consistent with predictions from the experimental literature. At the muscle level, mechanical efficiency was lower in the model with a greater proportion of FT fibers, but peaked at a higher cadence than in the ST model. Regardless of fiber type distribution, mechanical efficiency was low at 40revmin−1, i 9) Cadence and performance in elite cyclists Journal European Journal of Applied Physiology Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg ISSN 1439-6319 (Print) 1439-6327 (Online) Issue Volume 93, Number 4 / January, 2005 Øivind Foss1 and Jostein Hallén1 Contact Information Institute of Sports and Biological Studies, Norwegian University of Sport and Physical Education, Ullevål Stadion, PO Box 4014, 0806 Oslo, Norway This study demonstrated that elite cyclists perform best at their most efficient cadence despite the maximal energy turnover rate being larger at a higher cadence. 10)In Professional Road Cyclists, Low Pedaling Cadences Are Less Efficient LUCIA, A., A. F. SAN JUAN, M. MONTILLA, S. CAÑETE, A. SANTALLA, C. EARNEST, and M. PÉREZ. In Professional Road Cyclists, Low Pedaling Cadences Are Less e Purpose: To determine the effects of changes in pedaling frequency on the gross efficiency (GE) and other physiological variables (oxygen uptake (V̇O2), HR, lactate, pH, ventilation, motor unit recruitment estimated by EMG) of professional cyclists while generating high power outputs (PO). Conclusions: In professional road cyclists riding at high Power output, GE/economy improves at increasing pedaling cadences. 11)Muscle recruitment pattern in cycling: a review Physical Therapy in Sport, Volume 6, Issue 2, Pages 89-96 R.So, J.Ng, G.Ng There is a unique cadence that minimizes the muscle activation level at a specific level of power output. This cadence will increase as the power output increases 12) Muscle recruitment patterns regulate physiological responses during exercise of the same intensity MICHAEL R. DESCHENES,1 WILLIAM J. KRAEMER,2 RAYMOND W. MCCOY,1 JEFF S. VOLEK,2 BENJAMIN M. TURNER,1 AND JOHN C. WEINLEIN1 Department of Kinesiology, The College of & , burg, Virginia 23187 and 2the Human Performance Laboratory, Ball State University, Muncie, Indiana 47306 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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