stop, drop, flop

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is almost 12 and still does this. His Sunday school helper (who

just adores, and happens to be the assistant director of the clowns, I think

that helps - he loves kids in general and in particular) says he just

walks away after telling him that he's going to give a little time.,

the he'll be back so they can talk about it. He then walks a distance away

(where he can keep an eye on without him realizing it - like out of

the corner of his eye). Then he comes back and is usually more

cooperative. Now that DOESN'T work for me. I (or his dad) usually end up

strong arming because he does it at the most inconvenient times, when we

don't have time to let him think about it a while. As a for instance, when

Dad crossed the street ahead of us and we had to wait for a car, he wanted

to run into the street and then dead flop! NOT!!

The problem is when I go to pick him up, he's a noodle and my hands just

slide up his body and over his head. I hate extra limber joints.

Loriann AKA Flitter the Christian clown

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 11 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and Celiac Disease.

, 2.5 years and Strong Willed

[Guest guest]

> does anyone's kid at the age of ten still drop and flop or sit and refuse

> >to move...... QUESTION OF THE WEEK

>

>

Rochelle is almost 6 now and will still do it but not as often. I try to

prepare her for transitions and count to three. She definitely needs time to

process the information. Then I tell her " I'm going to help you now " . But the

best thing is to have her favorite beads. Never see her move so fast. She

still mouths the beads. I have cut down on her time with the beads. So it is

more appealing to her. Sometimes she just loves to slip and slide on the

floor. She loves the sensory imput she is getting from it.

Diane B

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At 06:10 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>ps does anyone's kid at the age of ten still drop and flop or sit and refuse

>to move...... QUESTION OF THE WEEK

Yep...even at age 13. Especially when there are no visuals, no one is

listening to HIM, or it is just tooooo hot/crowded/scary.

He also still " noodles " the few people who think they can strong arm him

still--even though Iv'e said and written not to.

j

[Guest guest]

At 08:55 AM 5/1/2002 EDT, you wrote:

I told them at school that EVERYONE, including

>themselves, have good days and bad days and to give her time to transition

>from activities and she'll come around.

NO NO NO!!!!!!! donna, didn't they tell you? children in special education

are perfect every day! They don't vascillate in what they are willing to do

or have grumpy days. NO! They are perfect little angels with the same

feelings and abilities every single day!

I can't believe they forgot to put that page in your parent manual!

(yes guys, I'm kidding...I find it ironic that parents have to remind folks

that our kids are just people--with good days, bad days, and sleepy days...)

j

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/1/02 10:30:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

hsmyangels@... writes:

> Now that DOESN'T work for me. I (or his dad) usually end up

> strong arming because he does it at the most inconvenient times, when we

> don't have time to let him think about it a while. As a for instance, when

> Dad crossed the street ahead of us and we had to wait for a car, he wanted

> to run into the street and then dead flop! NOT!!

>

LORIANN!!!! How in goodness name do you hold back?!?!? Maddie is a

mere 51 pounds and I swear I can't do it. Believe it or not, most people

consider me to be quite strong (I'm small, but have been known to move and

lift giant things....where there's a will there's a way...LOL) Even

Maddie's Brutus of a dentist had to have 2 people hold Maddie down while he

pulled her tooth (I hate holding her down like that, but I hate putting her

under anesthesia worse). When *I* take her out, we use her McClaren. If

Duff is with me, we'll walk and hold her hand. She too wants to dart in the

street instantly (I think it's the color difference of the black street to

the white pavement).

Donna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/1/02 11:38:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> But the

> best thing is to have her favorite beads. Never see her move so fast.

LOLOLOL Diane. What is it with the beads? Maddie often takes rosary beads

to school. I told them to let her; she's praying!!! FOR ME!!!! LOLOL

Donna

[Guest guest]

Y'all just AWESOME!!

But its so true. Totally to the point. I say is a unique

person with feelings, too. So he is an ANGEL, no matter what.

Irma,13,DS/ASD

> I told them at school that EVERYONE, including

> >themselves, have good days and bad days and to give her time to

transition

> >from activities and she'll come around.

>

> NO NO NO!!!!!!! donna, didn't they tell you? children in special

education

> are perfect every day! They don't vascillate in what they are

willing to do

> or have grumpy days. NO! They are perfect little angels with the

same

> feelings and abilities every single day!

>

> I can't believe they forgot to put that page in your parent

manual!

>

> (yes guys, I'm kidding...I find it ironic that parents have to

remind folks

> that our kids are just people--with good days, bad days, and sleepy

days...)

>

> j

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/1/02 9:10:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

joan@... writes:

> (yes guys, I'm kidding...I find it ironic that parents have to remind folks

> that our kids are just people--with good days, bad days, and sleepy days...)

>

LOLOLOLOL Joan. Well, Maddie is home from school today. Not really

sick, just woke up kinda gunky, which is now gone. We just came back from a

nice long walk (YES, in the stroller since it's just the two of us). My

daughter who is at college, IM'd me and I told her Maddie was home sick.

She said.. " OH, she's faking it; she just wanted a day off " .....LOLOLOL The

older ones remind me all the time how lienient I am with the little ones

compared to when THEY were little. LOL

Donna

[Guest guest]

lolol!!!! :-) can i also add that our children are expected to be complient

all the time because " children with down syndrome are the happiest and

shouldn't display any unwanted behaviors " that is a direct verbal quote from

a prior school psych....lol i have it on tape.... every time i re-listen i

just freak out all over again.. i love joan's humor... even in the

challenging days on the list, someone will make us laugh and smile or

crackle..or the actions the kids too will lighten our hearts and moods...

flushing glasses down the toilet is a funny one and maddie's lack of needing

shoes... and lining of videos and spiderman...heheeh

take care all, leah, at home with ashton who has strep again....third time

in six weeeks...or maybe it just never went away.....

>From: Joan Guthrie Medlen <joan@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: stop, drop, flop

>Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 06:04:02 -0700

>

>At 08:55 AM 5/1/2002 EDT, you wrote:

>I told them at school that EVERYONE, including

> >themselves, have good days and bad days and to give her time to

>transition

> >from activities and she'll come around.

>

>NO NO NO!!!!!!! donna, didn't they tell you? children in special education

>are perfect every day! They don't vascillate in what they are willing to do

>or have grumpy days. NO! They are perfect little angels with the same

>feelings and abilities every single day!

>

>I can't believe they forgot to put that page in your parent manual!

>

>(yes guys, I'm kidding...I find it ironic that parents have to remind folks

>that our kids are just people--with good days, bad days, and sleepy

>days...)

>

>j

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Donna,

You really take the cake on this one, this a very good excuse for

Maddie at school. Thanks for the laughs. Boy! I'm just visualizing

all our kids all together, with what in their hands? " THE BEADS " , ok,

cutie pie has to be Holy though. You're so funny even with the other

post about after your surgery, you totally knocked me off my chair.

Thanks for making my day. Take care.

Irma,13,DS/ASD

> In a message dated 5/1/02 11:38:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> dben937342@a... writes:

>

>

> > But the

> > best thing is to have her favorite beads. Never see her move so

fast.

>

> LOLOLOL Diane. What is it with the beads? Maddie often takes

rosary beads

> to school. I told them to let her; she's praying!!! FOR

ME!!!! LOLOL

> Donna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/1/2002 12:09:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

okieleah@... writes:

> at home with ashton who has strep again....

Hi Leah,

Poor Ashton, strep is tough. I hope she will be able to totally get rid of

this. She probably is getting it passed back and forth at school. Kids with

DS just hug and smile all the time, that's what I was told. I have an

attitude today. The DCF called regarding the school complaint telling me that

those kids don't remember anyway so she willl finish her report. An abuse

against a child with special needs doesn't matter!! I think she told that to

the wrong mother. Her and the bus driver may be sitting together in the

unemployment line.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/1/02 11:09:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

charlyne1121@... writes:

> I have an

> attitude today. The DCF called regarding the school complaint telling me

> that

> those kids don't remember anyway so she willl finish her report. An abuse

> against a child with special needs doesn't matter!! I think she told that

> to

> the wrong mother. Her and the bus driver may be sitting together in the

> unemployment line.

>

Sorry Charylne, but I did have to laugh when I read that line (I have an

attitude today). However, can't believe the DCF said that!!! If she

were standing in front of you, you probably would have smacked her. I

hope you get them BOTH in the unemployment line!! They're just as bad as

the abusers!!

Let us know what goes down dear!!

Donna

[Guest guest]

Diane, sounds just like , beads are a winner with him too! Dawn

Re: stop, drop, flop

> does anyone's kid at the age of ten still drop and flop or sit and refuse

> >to move...... QUESTION OF THE WEEK

>

>

Rochelle is almost 6 now and will still do it but not as often. I try to

prepare her for transitions and count to three. She definitely needs time to

process the information. Then I tell her " I'm going to help you now " . But the

best thing is to have her favorite beads. Never see her move so fast. She

still mouths the beads. I have cut down on her time with the beads. So it is

more appealing to her. Sometimes she just loves to slip and slide on the

floor. She loves the sensory imput she is getting from it.

Diane B

[Guest guest]

hope Ashton feels better soon, both of you take time to rest, God Bless, Dawn,

s mom

Re: stop, drop, flop

>Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 06:04:02 -0700

>

>At 08:55 AM 5/1/2002 EDT, you wrote:

>I told them at school that EVERYONE, including

> >themselves, have good days and bad days and to give her time to

>transition

> >from activities and she'll come around.

>

>NO NO NO!!!!!!! donna, didn't they tell you? children in special education

>are perfect every day! They don't vascillate in what they are willing to do

>or have grumpy days. NO! They are perfect little angels with the same

>feelings and abilities every single day!

>

>I can't believe they forgot to put that page in your parent manual!

>

>(yes guys, I'm kidding...I find it ironic that parents have to remind folks

>that our kids are just people--with good days, bad days, and sleepy

>days...)

>

>j

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[Guest guest]

Donna, I love this!!!! Boy did I need this laugh today, you are great!! Dawn

Re: stop, drop, flop

In a message dated 5/1/02 11:38:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> But the

> best thing is to have her favorite beads. Never see her move so fast.

LOLOLOL Diane. What is it with the beads? Maddie often takes rosary beads

to school. I told them to let her; she's praying!!! FOR ME!!!! LOLOL

Donna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/2/2002 5:54:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> The DCF called regarding the school complaint telling me

> > that

> > those kids don't remember anyway so she willl finish her report. An abuse

>

> > against a child with special needs doesn't matter!! I think she told that

>

> > to

> > the wrong mother. Her and the bus driver may be sitting together in the

> > unemployment line.

>

Charlyne,

I would be completely ballistic if I heard a remark like that. I hope

you can get these people put away for good.

Marisa

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/2/02 8:32:58 PM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

>

> Okay, guys, so just WHAT do you do when the kid drops and stays on the

> floor

> and you cannot pick him up, or if you do, he goes limp and drags his legs?

>

> Any suggestions when he won't get up and go and you are late for

> appointments

> or need to get to the store??

>

>

I usually have some sour candy in my purse and when I sense things not going

my way I start reinforcing with those (I give it before he does something

inappropriate) until we get through the appt.

When I'm really stuck I cheat. I was terrible last Sat. He stopped in the

entrance to Walmart and wouldn't move for anything. So, I say, " oh, look, do

you see that? I think I see a fat guy out in the parking lot. He has a white

beard. you have to see this guy. He looks like Santa. " well,

couldn't resist possibly getting a look at Santa.

Now I used up that trick and must think of another for the next time I fail

to reinforce before the flopping begins.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 5/2/02 8:32:58 PM Central Daylight Time,

> @y... writes:

>

>

> >

> > Okay, guys, so just WHAT do you do when the kid drops and stays on

the

> > floor

> > and you cannot pick him up, or if you do, he goes limp and drags

his legs?

> >

> > Any suggestions when he won't get up and go and you are late for

> > appointments

> > or need to get to the store

Wow, Garrett flops and drops too. Is this behavior really common?

Forgive my ignorance please, I am just beginning to learn about all of

this.

Traci

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/3/2002 11:21:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

KVanRyzin@... writes:

> . you have to see this guy. He looks like Santa. " well,

> couldn't resist possibly getting a look at Santa.

>

Hi Karyn,

This works for Zeb too. There is a man that works in the meat dept. at our

grocery store. He looks so much like Santa and will play the part if he sees

us. I get Zeb into the store by saying let's see if Santa is working today.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

nathaqn use to be really bad for this too, the wet noodle drop unable to pick up

or move him. But we also use transition toys(fav stim items) and his wheel chair

for shoppping ventures and family walks is coming soo, yaaa so this will help

out our backs shawna.

Re: stop, drop, flop

Yes, add to the list. Same here but not as bad as in the past.

He'll pull one of those numbers especially when he is tired or trying

to avoid noise & crowds and doing something. In the past, I would

just lift him up, have a struggle with him, remember the back issues?

No more on trying my way on trying to lift him right away. I try to

have his favorite stimming toy and just let him be, to cool down and

then I'll let him know its time to go. Then finally he'll cooperate.

Even at the Special Olymplics as the gun shot off, he just stopped,

dropped, & flopped and realize nobody was going to bother him and

then ZOOOOOOmed away. So now another stunt to this sneeky behavior.

Irma,13,DS/ASD

> >ps does anyone's kid at the age of ten still drop and flop or sit

and refuse

> >to move...... QUESTION OF THE WEEK

>

> Yep...even at age 13. Especially when there are no visuals, no one

is

> listening to HIM, or it is just tooooo hot/crowded/scary.

>

> He also still " noodles " the few people who think they can strong

arm him

> still--even though Iv'e said and written not to.

>

> j

[Guest guest]

nathan is 10yrs and still occasionally does the drop wet noodle thiny uuuuugh,

but no where as bad as when he was younger toddler to young school age. shawna.

Re: stop, drop, flop

> does anyone's kid at the age of ten still drop and flop or sit and refuse

> >to move...... QUESTION OF THE WEEK

>

>

Rochelle is almost 6 now and will still do it but not as often. I try to

prepare her for transitions and count to three. She definitely needs time to

process the information. Then I tell her " I'm going to help you now " . But the

best thing is to have her favorite beads. Never see her move so fast. She

still mouths the beads. I have cut down on her time with the beads. So it is

more appealing to her. Sometimes she just loves to slip and slide on the

floor. She loves the sensory imput she is getting from it.

Diane B

[Guest guest]

hehehhe, nathan loves his shoe strings or beady necklaces tooo, in fact khe

is in the kitchen on the floor right now dangling some echoing alladin i think.

shawna.

Re: stop, drop, flop

In a message dated 5/1/02 11:38:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> But the

> best thing is to have her favorite beads. Never see her move so fast.

LOLOLOL Diane. What is it with the beads? Maddie often takes rosary beads

to school. I told them to let her; she's praying!!! FOR ME!!!! LOLOL

Donna

[Guest guest]

i would go off the deep end too, if nathan's school ever said such a thing,

deffinately pull my kids until they were gone from the school. shawna.

Re: stop, drop, flop

In a message dated 5/2/2002 5:54:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> The DCF called regarding the school complaint telling me

> > that

> > those kids don't remember anyway so she willl finish her report. An abuse

>

> > against a child with special needs doesn't matter!! I think she told that

>

> > to

> > the wrong mother. Her and the bus driver may be sitting together in the

> > unemployment line.

>

Charlyne,

I would be completely ballistic if I heard a remark like that. I hope

you can get these people put away for good.

Marisa

[Guest guest]

i would go off the deep end too, if nathan's school ever said such a thing,

deffinately pull my kids until they were gone from the school. shawna.

Re: stop, drop, flop

In a message dated 5/2/2002 5:54:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> The DCF called regarding the school complaint telling me

> > that

> > those kids don't remember anyway so she willl finish her report. An abuse

>

> > against a child with special needs doesn't matter!! I think she told that

>

> > to

> > the wrong mother. Her and the bus driver may be sitting together in the

> > unemployment line.

>

Charlyne,

I would be completely ballistic if I heard a remark like that. I hope

you can get these people put away for good.

Marisa