autism predates vaccination?

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hi.. wasn't most of kanner's original nine subjects had parents that worked with mercury or exposed to it? LiaSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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Even if you cage a normal infant, leave them without loving care,

they show signs of autism quite soon.

There also people with a genetic disorder who grow hair on their face

and bodies and have an appearance like Wolves. If these children

were rejected by their families. And left in the wild you can see

how these stories have been around forever. And what about the Hat

makers who were exposed to Mercury while making hats. Any of their

children could have had direct exposure - and you may get the same

results of autism. Amlagum fillings have been around at least 100yrs -

and most likley put the developing fetus at risk. Pinks disease

was from a teething powder used on infants - who also were exposed

to Mercury from the teething powder.

In EOHarm , Dad Fourkids <dad_4_kids@...> wrote:

>

> It is my belief that some who believe (as I do) that

> thimerosal is a significant triggering factor in

> autism, often coupled with skewed immuno response to

> viral agents (often introduced via vaccination) are

> mistaken when they take their opinion to the nth

> degree, and think that because impurities or genetic

> frailty can cause vaccination to trigger autism, ALL

> cases are such. I think it is important to note, that

> while Kanner called autism a " novel " disorder, and by

> such many presume a " new " disorder, there are actually

> documented accounts of autism that greatly predate the

> use of modern vaccines, albeit at an exponentially

> lesser rate than we have experienced in the 90's and

> beyond.

>

> I am not talking about vague references to

> " feeble-minded simpletons " or " spastics " , but to very

> real children, often found roaming at will and

> presumed to be raised by wolves, bears, etc. These

> feral children all share much common ground with our

> own when you read the accounts witnessed by credible

> members of society who encountered them.

>

> http://www.feralchildren.com/en/children.php

>

> They have great difficulty learning the spoken

> language, learning just a few words which are often

> more than a little gutteral; when first found they

> often attempt to communicate in grunts and howls.

>

> They are seemingly oblivious to civilized comforts,

> often shunning clothing, furniture, etc.

>

> They have very restricted appetites, eating only a few

> chosen foods to which they are familiar.

>

> They sometimes escape, trying to return to the woods

> from which they have come.

>

> Some of the more detailed accounts relate how these

> children commit strange, repetitive actions and can

> become upset when attempt are made to stop them.

>

> Certainly, diagnosing these children from a few

> paragraphs in a book is more tan a little difficult,

> but some of the reports contain so much striking

> overlap with what we know to be autism that it is hard

> to fathom these children could be anything but. Some

> of the children described were found locked in

> backrooms or cellars; others roaming free when they

> emerge from the woods near the residences of farms or

> villages. It is almost impossible to accept that

> these children were truly raised by wolves or such,

> and man is so helpless as an infant and small child

> that one has to think that these children were indeed

> cared for (to some degree) until such time as they

> managed to elope (or perhaps were allowed to wander

> off by over stressed caregivers).

>

> If one assumes that the credible witnesses who took

> the time to write up the reports are not just having

> sport with future readers with a complete fiction, the

> only thing that makes sense is to see these children

> as Autists. As the earliest documentation is in the

> 14th century (barring a couple earlier accounts which

> are almost too fantastic to be believed) we can see

> than for these children neither thimerosal nor

> vaccination can have played any part in their

> etiology.

>

> That is not to say that neither mercury or viral

> agents played no part; both were present in the human

> experience long before the beginning of the European

> Renacence. It is also more than a little possible

> that there exists etiologies to autism that require

> neither to effect.

>

> Thinking that mercury and viral agents do not account

> for 100% of autism in no way diminishes the

> culpability of either in the bigger picture. Barring

> some research breakthru which can clearly identify an

> environmental trigger OTHER than mercury and vaccines,

> they remain the most likely based upon the evidence we

> have of the recent epidemic, naysayers and paid shills

> be damned. Bringing the number of new cases back down

> to pre-80's levels is one of the most critical health

> problems facing our country and the world, right up

> there with AIDs, the melting ice caps and increasing

> lack of potable water.

>

> The trick no is to make our policy makers appreciate

> the gravity of the situation and get them to respond

> to the need that exists and not merely stall while

> they wait for us to collectively go away, or for the

> phaseout of mercury to gradually reduce the numbers so

> they can tell us it was all in our imagination.

>

>

>

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autism predates vaccination? Posted by: "Dad Fourkids" dad_4_kids@... dad_4_kids A few years ago, I read a very interesting book on exactly what you are saying: Not Even Wrong : Adventures in Autism (2004) by (FHF) and his wife thought their son was perfect. At

age one, learned the alphabet; by two, he was reading, counting, even doing multiplication tables--yet he couldn't respond to his own name and scarcely noticed others in the room. He was, as it turned out, autistic--gifted, intelligent, preternaturally focused, but a stranger in the strange land of human emotions. Autistics have been impacting human life and the course of history for hundreds of years. does a fantastic job of not only chronicling his experience with his young son and his being diagnosed as autistic, he also does a fantastic job of chronicling the existence of autistics who lived before there was such a word. In addition to teaching us much that we'd not known before about the history behind Autism, this book was unfailingly positive, heart-felt without being

sentimental, and surprisingly hilarious!

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we also know that there was mercury exposure back in the olden days in other forms.Dad Fourkids <dad_4_kids@...> wrote: It is my belief that some who believe (as I do) thatthimerosal is a significant triggering factor inautism, often coupled with skewed immuno response toviral agents (often introduced via vaccination) aremistaken when they take their opinion to the nthdegree, and think that because impurities or geneticfrailty can cause vaccination to trigger autism, ALLcases are such. I think it is important to note,

thatwhile Kanner called autism a "novel" disorder, and bysuch many presume a "new" disorder, there are actuallydocumented accounts of autism that greatly predate theuse of modern vaccines, albeit at an exponentiallylesser rate than we have experienced in the 90's andbeyond.I am not talking about vague references to"feeble-minded simpletons" or "spastics", but to veryreal children, often found roaming at will andpresumed to be raised by wolves, bears, etc. Theseferal children all share much common ground with ourown when you read the accounts witnessed by crediblemembers of society who encountered them. http://www.feralchildren.com/en/children.phpThey have great difficulty learning the spokenlanguage, learning just a few words which are oftenmore than a little gutteral; when first found theyoften attempt to communicate

in grunts and howls.They are seemingly oblivious to civilized comforts,often shunning clothing, furniture, etc.They have very restricted appetites, eating only a fewchosen foods to which they are familiar.They sometimes escape, trying to return to the woodsfrom which they have come.Some of the more detailed accounts relate how thesechildren commit strange, repetitive actions and canbecome upset when attempt are made to stop them.Certainly, diagnosing these children from a fewparagraphs in a book is more tan a little difficult,but some of the reports contain so much strikingoverlap with what we know to be autism that it is hardto fathom these children could be anything but. Someof the children described were found locked inbackrooms or cellars; others roaming free when theyemerge from the woods near the residences of farms orvillages. It is almost impossible to accept thatthese

children were truly raised by wolves or such,and man is so helpless as an infant and small childthat one has to think that these children were indeedcared for (to some degree) until such time as theymanaged to elope (or perhaps were allowed to wanderoff by over stressed caregivers).If one assumes that the credible witnesses who tookthe time to write up the reports are not just havingsport with future readers with a complete fiction, theonly thing that makes sense is to see these childrenas Autists. As the earliest documentation is in the14th century (barring a couple earlier accounts whichare almost too fantastic to be believed) we can seethan for these children neither thimerosal norvaccination can have played any part in theiretiology. That is not to say that neither mercury or viralagents played no part; both were present in the humanexperience long before the beginning of the

EuropeanRenacence. It is also more than a little possiblethat there exists etiologies to autism that requireneither to effect.Thinking that mercury and viral agents do not accountfor 100% of autism in no way diminishes theculpability of either in the bigger picture. Barringsome research breakthru which can clearly identify anenvironmental trigger OTHER than mercury and vaccines,they remain the most likely based upon the evidence wehave of the recent epidemic, naysayers and paid shillsbe damned. Bringing the number of new cases back downto pre-80's levels is one of the most critical healthproblems facing our country and the world, right upthere with AIDs, the melting ice caps and increasinglack of potable water. The trick no is to make our policy makers appreciatethe gravity of the situation and get them to respondto the need that exists and not merely stall whilethey wait for us to

collectively go away, or for thephaseout of mercury to gradually reduce the numbers sothey can tell us it was all in our imagination.__________________________________________________________Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos.http://autos./index.html

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YES. Especially in the South where mercury based fungicides were

coming into vogue for pine tree growth. I believe Dan Olmsted et al.

(who's Al?) is working on writing more about that, stay tuned!

K

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