Re: OT: FDA says tamiflu-induced psychosis could be genetic

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What is a "genetic reaction" to a drug. What nonsense.If the drug wasn't given there would be no reaction. The gene response would not be activated. There would be no injury.This is bureaucratic scientific doublespeak - getting the entire thing backwards.Sounds all too familiar. "The genes are to blame...the genes did it"In broad terms this is scientific fraud, a/k/a lying RJK On Nov 24, 2007, at 10:56 PM, anacat_11 wrote:This just, well, makes me sick. "Besides being a drug side effect, the agency (FDA) said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug".http://news./s/ap/20071124/ap_on_he_me/fda_tamiflu_safetyFDA: Flu drugs affecting kids' behavior Sat Nov 24, 2:36 AM ETWASHINGTON - Government health regulators recommended adding label precautions about neurological problems seen in children who have taken flu drugs made by Roche and GlaxoKline. ADVERTISEMENTThe Food and Drug Administration on Friday released its safety review of Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. Next week, an outside group of pediatric experts is scheduled to review the safety of several such drugs when used in children.FDA began reviewing Tamiflu's safety in 2005 after receiving reports of children experiencing neurological problems, including hallucinations and convulsions.Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking the drug, most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children "falling from windows or balconies or running into traffic."There have been no child deaths connected with Relenza, but regulators said children taking the drug have shown similar neurological problems.While FDA said it isn't clear whether the problems are directly related to the drugs, it recommends adding language about the possible side effects to labeling for physicians who prescribe Tamiflu and Relenza.Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug.Company representatives were not immediately available for comment.

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> This just, well, makes me sick.

>

> " Besides being a drug side effect, the agency (FDA) said the

> behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or

> a rare genetic reaction to the drug " .

>

> http://news./s/ap/20071124/ap_on_he_me/fda_tamiflu_safety

>

> FDA: Flu drugs affecting kids' behavior Sat Nov 24, 2:36 AM ET

>

> WASHINGTON - Government health regulators recommended adding label

> precautions about neurological problems seen in children who have

> taken flu drugs made by Roche and GlaxoKline.

>

> ADVERTISEMENT

>

> The Food and Drug Administration on Friday released its safety

> review of Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. Next week, an outside

> group of pediatric experts is scheduled to review the safety of

> several such drugs when used in children.

>

> FDA began reviewing Tamiflu's safety in 2005 after receiving reports

> of children experiencing neurological problems, including

> hallucinations and convulsions.

>

> Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking the drug,

> most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children " falling

> from windows or balconies or running into traffic. "

>

> There have been no child deaths connected with Relenza, but

> regulators said children taking the drug have shown similar

> neurological problems.

>

> While FDA said it isn't clear whether the problems are directly

> related to the drugs, it recommends adding language about the

> possible side effects to labeling for physicians who prescribe

> Tamiflu and Relenza.

>

> Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors

> alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare

> genetic reaction to the drug.

>

> Company representatives were not immediately available for comment.

>

[Guest guest]

'Tis true they lie. I'm genetically allergic to cyanide gas myself.

Now they're trying to investigate what special genetic precondition

makes some people die or become dangerously intoxicated from

painkillers. Maybe that will bear a little fruit, but any useful

information which arises from this kind of research would stop short

of exposing drug risks to the general population.

A little digression on Sunday afternoon: I'm just reading

Breggin's " The War Against Children of Color " , which provides a

pretty stunning explanation for why genetic theory is so often out

of control: in very literal terms, current genetic theory is partly

a kind of demon spawn which was allowed to escape public scrutiny

because its engineers were never prosecuted at Nuremberg and were

allowed to continue on with their careers, publish and influence

American and European psychiatric policies, which already had a

eugenic bent.

For instance, almost the entire foundation for the genetic theory of

schizophrenia was erected by Franz Kallmann, a Jewish psychiatrist

who'd cooperated- at least initially- under the nazis. Kallmann

( http://www.eugenics-watch.com/briteugen/eug_k.html ) proposed an

eugenic sterilization campaign which was too extreme even for the

nazis- that of forcibly sterilizing not only those deemed mentally

ill (or " borderline eccentrics " ) but their entire families. Kallmann

found a more receptivity for this idea in the US. Kallmann is still

cited as a primary resource in psychiatric textbooks and studies

arguing for the genetic roots of szhizophrenia. Kallmann was a

student of Ernst Rudin, the father of nazi " mental hygiene "

policies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%BCdin

Breggin's chapters on the Holocaust trace how the lead psychiatric

investigator at Nuremberg, Leo - who was basically

responsible for ferreting out the crimes committed by nazi

psychiatrists- was himself a racist eugenicist.

enthusiastically contributed to a book on " mental hygiene " by one of

the supporters of the California eugenic sterilization project. In

the book, - who spoke German and could interpret nazi

psychiatric proganda as well as Hitler's " Mein Kampf " (which

quoted from)- praised Hitler's implementation of

California's eugenic policies in the 1930's. was not

unique and his views were supported by American policy before and

after the war, which explains why the areas of " overlap " with nazi

policy were not brought to light.

Though the " final solution " was essentially an outcropping of

individual German psychiatrists' and the field's willing and

uncoerced " euthanization " of the mentally ill (the gas chambers at

Auschwitz and other camps were literally moved from their original

locations within psychiatric death wards, where disabled children

and the mentally ill were " medically " murdered), Leo

brought only one primary nazi psychiatrist to justice and let all

the others off easy, some of them never being formally charged at

all. , for instance, did not think it was a crime for some

psychiatrists under Hitler to order the brains and corpses of

children exterminated under the racial hygiene policies because, as

put it, these specimens were " of interest " . Some nazi

psychiatrists even went on to continue their careers, despite their

participation in the extermination of thousands of disabled

or " mentally unfit " children and adults and their eventual direct

oversight of the extermination of the Jews and other ethnic and

social minorities. American psychiatric supporters of the

nazi " mental hygeine " program speckle psychiatric textbooks to this

day.

Anyway. Using the arguments of the imbedded geneticists themselves,

if some of these genetic theories seem crazy, it's because they were

born that way. These ideas should never have been allowed to breed.

>

> This just, well, makes me sick.

>

> " Besides being a drug side effect, the agency (FDA) said the

> behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or

> a rare genetic reaction to the drug " .

>

> http://news./s/ap/20071124/ap_on_he_me/fda_tamiflu_safety

>

> FDA: Flu drugs affecting kids' behavior Sat Nov 24, 2:36 AM ET

>

> WASHINGTON - Government health regulators recommended adding label

> precautions about neurological problems seen in children who have

> taken flu drugs made by Roche and GlaxoKline.

>

> ADVERTISEMENT

>

> The Food and Drug Administration on Friday released its safety

> review of Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. Next week, an

outside

> group of pediatric experts is scheduled to review the safety of

> several such drugs when used in children.

>

> FDA began reviewing Tamiflu's safety in 2005 after receiving

reports

> of children experiencing neurological problems, including

> hallucinations and convulsions.

>

> Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking the drug,

> most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children " falling

> from windows or balconies or running into traffic. "

>

> There have been no child deaths connected with Relenza, but

> regulators said children taking the drug have shown similar

> neurological problems.

>

> While FDA said it isn't clear whether the problems are directly

> related to the drugs, it recommends adding language about the

> possible side effects to labeling for physicians who prescribe

> Tamiflu and Relenza.

>

> Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors

> alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare

> genetic reaction to the drug.

>

> Company representatives were not immediately available for comment.

>

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So Tamiflu is not safe either!

Barb

OT: FDA says tamiflu-induced psychosis could be "genetic"

This just, well, makes me sick. "Besides being a drug side effect, the agency (FDA) said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug".http://news./s/ap/20071124/ap_on_he_me/fda_tamiflu_safetyFDA: Flu drugs affecting kids' behavior Sat Nov 24, 2:36 AM ETWASHINGTON - Government health regulators recommended adding label precautions about neurological problems seen in children who have taken flu drugs made by Roche and GlaxoKline. ADVERTISEMENTThe Food and Drug Administration on Friday released its safety review of Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. Next week, an outside group of pediatric experts is scheduled to review the safety of several such drugs when used in children.FDA began reviewing Tamiflu's safety in 2005 after receiving reports of children experiencing neurological problems, including hallucinations and convulsions.Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking the drug, most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children "falling from windows or balconies or running into traffic."There have been no child deaths connected with Relenza, but regulators said children taking the drug have shown similar neurological problems.While FDA said it isn't clear whether the problems are directly related to the drugs, it recommends adding language about the possible side effects to labeling for physicians who prescribe Tamiflu and Relenza.Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug.Company representatives were not immediately available for comment.

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Not according to Dr. Graeme Laver, inventor of the flu jab! While he has lost confidence in the flu jab, he would like to see Tamiflu and Relenza sold over the counter (without a prescription, making it more easily available to all). He seems to think these medications are "safe", as I suppose he would since he receives royalties from the sale of Relenza. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=496095 & in_page_id=1770 Aasajromkema <jromkema@...> wrote: So Tamiflu is not safe either! Barb OT: FDA says tamiflu-induced psychosis could be "genetic" This just, well, makes me

sick. "Besides being a drug side effect, the agency (FDA) said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug".http://news./s/ap/20071124/ap_on_he_me/fda_tamiflu_safetyFDA: Flu drugs affecting kids' behavior Sat Nov 24, 2:36 AM ETWASHINGTON - Government health regulators recommended adding label precautions about neurological problems seen in children who have taken flu drugs made by Roche and GlaxoKline. ADVERTISEMENTThe Food and Drug Administration on Friday released its safety review of Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. Next week, an outside group of pediatric experts is scheduled to review the safety of several such drugs when used in children.FDA began reviewing Tamiflu's safety in 2005 after receiving

reports of children experiencing neurological problems, including hallucinations and convulsions.Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking the drug, most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children "falling from windows or balconies or running into traffic."There have been no child deaths connected with Relenza, but regulators said children taking the drug have shown similar neurological problems.While FDA said it isn't clear whether the problems are directly related to the drugs, it recommends adding language about the possible side effects to labeling for physicians who prescribe Tamiflu and Relenza.Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug.Company representatives were not immediately available for comment. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM

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I also read that it is being peed into the watershed, ending up in lakes where wild birds breed and hang out so a few years downstream can cause resistance to it by evolving flu strains.

Dont see any of that info in the sales pitches for the drugs do you>?

Ange

OT: FDA says tamiflu-induced psychosis could be "genetic"

This just, well, makes me sick. "Besides being a drug side effect, the agency (FDA) said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug".http://news./s/ap/20071124/ap_on_he_me/fda_tamiflu_safetyFDA: Flu drugs affecting kids' behavior Sat Nov 24, 2:36 AM ETWASHINGTON - Government health regulators recommended adding label precautions about neurological problems seen in children who have taken flu drugs made by Roche and GlaxoKline. ADVERTISEMENTThe Food and Drug Administration on Friday released its safety review of Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. Next week, an outside group of pediatric experts is scheduled to review the safety of several such drugs when used in children.FDA began reviewing Tamiflu's safety in 2005 after receiving reports of children experiencing neurological problems, including hallucinations and convulsions.Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking the drug, most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children "falling from windows or balconies or running into traffic."There have been no child deaths connected with Relenza, but regulators said children taking the drug have shown similar neurological problems.While FDA said it isn't clear whether the problems are directly related to the drugs, it recommends adding language about the possible side effects to labeling for physicians who prescribe Tamiflu and Relenza.Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug.Company representatives were not immediately available for comment.

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Oops, my last post would probably have fit better in this thread on

tamiflu...

Tamiflu came up in a book that I am reading now. The book is called

The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. Interesting read by the way...

Anyway, a very small portion of the book was in regards to Don

Rumsfeld and a company called Gilead (held the patent on Tamiflu).

Apparently Rummy refused to sell off his Gilead stocks for his

entire term in office (as he was asked to do). Makes you wonder if

Rumsfeld, et all 'shocked and awed us' into a panic in

regards to Tamiflu/Bird Flu, etc.... According to the author:

" His (Rumsfeld's) colleagues, however, took good care of his

interests. In July 2005, the Pentagon purchased $58 million worth

of Tamiflu, and the Department of Health and Human Services

announced that it would order up to $1 Billion worth of the drug a

few months later " .

And this:

" Rumsfeld's defiance definitely paid off. If he had sold his Gilead

stocks at inauguration, in January 2001, he would have received a

mere $7.45 each. By keeping them through all the avian flu scares,

all the bioterror hysteria and through his own administration's

decisions to invest heavily in the company, Rumsfeld ended up with

stocks worth $67.60 each when he left office - an 807 percent

increase. (By April 2007 the price had reached $84 each). That

meant that when Rumsfeld left his post as defense secretary, he did

so a significantly wealthier man than when he arrived... "

Between this and Cheney/Halliburton ... Yikes... The word corruption

comes to mind.

Add Tamiflu to Rumsfeld's wonderful past in regards to Aspartame...

Just another day in paradise.

> So Tamiflu is not safe either!

>

> Barb

> OT: FDA says tamiflu-induced psychosis could

be " genetic "

>

>

> This just, well, makes me sick.

>

> " Besides being a drug side effect, the agency (FDA) said the

> behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu

or

> a rare genetic reaction to the drug " .

>

> http://news./s/ap/20071124/ap_on_he_me/fda_tamiflu_safety

>

> FDA: Flu drugs affecting kids' behavior Sat Nov 24, 2:36 AM ET

>

> WASHINGTON - Government health regulators recommended adding label

> precautions about neurological problems seen in children who have

> taken flu drugs made by Roche and GlaxoKline.

>

> ADVERTISEMENT

>

> The Food and Drug Administration on Friday released its safety

> review of Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. Next week, an

outside

> group of pediatric experts is scheduled to review the safety of

> several such drugs when used in children.

>

> FDA began reviewing Tamiflu's safety in 2005 after receiving

reports

> of children experiencing neurological problems, including

> hallucinations and convulsions.

>

> Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking the drug,

> most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children " falling

> from windows or balconies or running into traffic. "

>

> There have been no child deaths connected with Relenza, but

> regulators said children taking the drug have shown similar

> neurological problems.

>

> While FDA said it isn't clear whether the problems are directly

> related to the drugs, it recommends adding language about the

> possible side effects to labeling for physicians who prescribe

> Tamiflu and Relenza.

>

> Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors

> alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare

> genetic reaction to the drug.

>

> Company representatives were not immediately available for comment.

>

>

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