Re: In support of DAN docs

September 28, 2007

I see patients at my clinic in Sacrarmento California and Santa Fe New Mexico...that is it for now.KP Stoller, MDPresident, International Hyperbaric Medical AssocMedical Director, Hyperbaric Medical Center of New Mexicowww.hbotnm.com-- Marie Ventura <mariev_chicago@...> wrote:

Wow, sure wish you lived in the Midwest!

Marie"KP Stoller, MD" <hbotnmnetzero (DOT) net> wrote:

Not only do I accept insurance, I accept Medicaid. Most of the autistic kids in NM are on Medicaid. I take what ever they can pay me.

THe problem is some of the kids are so poor that their parents can't afford any of the interventions.

Now...I am a farily open minded guy, but the truth is biomedical intervention for autism is still considered in Left field, so to say. THe problem is you don't want a left field doc, you want a doc that can go to left field if there is something there for you kid. You want a doc that in centered on home plate, but will go anywhere in the ballpark for your kid.KP Stoller, MDPresident, International Hyperbaric Medical AssocMedical Director, Hyperbaric Medical Center of New Mexicowww.hbotnm.com-- "ahs10402" <allprintnycap (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

No business agreements are entered into without contracts.That would be absurd. Like vaccinations? What does that mean? exemptions exist in almost every state in the nation. Does acupunctureprove in the medical literature that it helps with autism or autism symptoms?Thats not passing the stink test either. > > > > > > >> > > > Everything you say is very true. However, if there are really > DAN! > > > > Doctors that were charging say $250 an office visit and now > they > > > > are charging $500 dollars or more as a result from the > > > > McCarthy media blitz that is just crooked and wrong and has > nothing > > > > > > Are they? Who? > > > > > > I find it interesting that a regular pediatrician collects about > $80 > > > from my insurance company for taking the weight and height of my > kid, > > > takes about 5 minutes, a well baby visit. So what does that work > out > > > to be... $960 an hour? > > > > > > McCarthy made several challenges on Larry King to the > > > pediatricians to start getting trained on what the DAN doctors > doing, > > > so parents don't have to go to such great lengths to get > treatment. > > > With a well known DAN sitting next to her, nodding.> > > > > > Jen> > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> > > Click here and shop from a huge selection of beads at discount > prices!> > > http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/> > Ioyw6i4uNYqwyhwXWjS6wagMjcs6hs70xGPfb3jPLGaLTg3RmEomW4/> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get > listings, and more!> >>_____________________________________________________________Vonage - Official Site$24.99/mo. for unlimited local and long distance calls!

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September 28, 2007

I have to strongly disagree with your justification for $200 vs $800.

How do you explain the doctors like Buie, the Geiers and others who

do IV chelation and fully accept insurance and all specialize in treating these

kids medically, but, are not part of DAN? Please explain the logic or have

DAN themselves explain the logic to us. Before you paint all traditional

medicine

with a negative broad brush keep in my mind they do accept insurance, medicaid

waivers

and will at least accept a poor family with ASD into their practice. I think

many do not

want to acknowledge what is happening and that this issue needs to be honestly

addressed for the sake of ALL of these kids. Thank you Dr. Geier, Dr. Buie and

others

for not turning your backs on these kids and treating them medically including

extensive

labs, while accepting insurance for all of it! I hear the word hero thrown

around rather

loosly, these are the real heros.

> >

> > Hi

> > You are very knowledgable on this issue and I agree with you. I

> presented a very complicated problem much too simply. I was really

> just trying to shift all the blame from the DAN doctors to our whole

> health problem with these kids-the insurance issues, the fact that

> autism is still listed in the DSM incorrectly etc and I know it is not

> mainstreamed and bio-med not accepted. There are problems in every

> corner you look-with peds, legislators--in short-DANS should not take

> all the heat for this massive problem.

> > thanks, Maurine

>

September 28, 2007

My son goes to Dr. Buie and we LOVE him

BUT he does not do any chelation.

I have a DAN dr., Dr. Buie and my pedi. Dr. Buie works on gut issues,

prescribes enzymes, antifungals, singulair, orders blood tests/liver function,

etc. he even did Valtrex with me too because I asked but he is not a DAN dr.

He is extremely knowledgeable in the DAN protocal but he works in conjunction

with a separate DAN dr. Since my pedi referred me to him our visits are

covered by my insurance but not for autism diagnosis for chronic loose stool,

gastrointestinal distress, numerous food intolerances, etc. Like I said I love

Buie and will see him next week but I just wanted to clarify he does not do IV

chelation…-

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Subject: Re: In support

of DAN docs

I have to strongly disagree with your justification

for $200 vs $800.

How do you explain the doctors like Buie, the Geiers and others who

do IV chelation and fully accept insurance and all specialize in treating these

kids medically, but, are not part of DAN? Please explain the logic or have

DAN themselves explain the logic to us. Before you paint all traditional

medicine

with a negative broad brush keep in my mind they do accept insurance, medicaid

waivers

and will at least accept a poor family with ASD into their practice. I think

many do not

want to acknowledge what is happening and that this issue needs to be honestly

addressed for the sake of ALL of these kids. Thank you Dr. Geier, Dr. Buie and

others

for not turning your backs on these kids and treating them medically including

extensive

labs, while accepting insurance for all of it! I hear the word hero thrown

around rather

loosly, these are the real heros.

> >

> > Hi

> > You are very knowledgable on this issue and I agree with you. I

> presented a very complicated problem much too simply. I was really

> just trying to shift all the blame from the DAN doctors to our whole

> health problem with these kids-the insurance issues, the fact that

> autism is still listed in the DSM incorrectly etc and I know it is not

> mainstreamed and bio-med not accepted. There are problems in every

> corner you look-with peds, legislators--in short-DANS should not take

> all the heat for this massive problem.

> > thanks, Maurine

>

September 28, 2007

Thank you Dr. Stoller. You are doing Gods work without discrimination and

financially

decimating these families. The difference between you and SOME of your DAN

colleagues

is that you do care about the financial and overall plight of these families in

the big

picture. The DAN Doctors that fill out the insurance forms, but, do not submit

them,

never code for autism.

Dr. Stoller can you explain how doctors handle the the " extended office visit " ?

What are you thoughts on additional peer reviewed papers being a important

element to getting biomedical interventions for ASD mainstreamed? Your comment

hit home about the " Ball Park " analogy. I changed Doctors and now have a D.O.

who is

very aware of my childs issues and had no problem prescribing me a LabCorp

porphyrins

test for myself or kids. Thanks again Dr. Stoller for treating ALL of these kids

that walk

through your doors.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Everything you say is very true. However, if there are really

> > DAN!

> > > > > Doctors that were charging say $250 an office visit and now

> > they

> > > > > are charging $500 dollars or more as a result from the

> > > > > McCarthy media blitz that is just crooked and wrong and has

> > nothing

> > > >

> > > > Are they? Who?

> > > >

> > > > I find it interesting that a regular pediatrician collects about

> > $80

> > > > from my insurance company for taking the weight and height of my

> > kid,

> > > > takes about 5 minutes, a well baby visit. So what does that work

> > out

> > > > to be... $960 an hour?

> > > >

> > > > McCarthy made several challenges on Larry King to the

> > > > pediatricians to start getting trained on what the DAN doctors

> > doing,

> > > > so parents don't have to go to such great lengths to get

> > treatment.

> > > > With a well known DAN sitting next to her, nodding.

> > > >

> > > > Jen

> > > >

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September 28, 2007

Buie is great and does not do chelation. I meant that other Doctors do IV

chelation and

accept insurance. My hope is that people on this list and others who maybe

watched Larry

King know that you do not have to see and DAN Dr and shell out thousands of

dollars in

cash to have your ASD kid treated medically. How about everyone admitting that

DAN

needs to greatly improve in this area without circling the wagons for them as if

they are all

squeeky clean. Please don't hide behind about the small amount of charity work

either

while they bill out millions from parents and refuse to treat most who cannot

afford them.

Dr Stoller has proven that this is possible. , thanks for explaining

what Buie does

besides the upper and lower GI scope with lots of biopsies and other testing.

> > >

> > > Hi

> > > You are very knowledgable on this issue and I agree with you. I

> > presented a very complicated problem much too simply. I was really

> > just trying to shift all the blame from the DAN doctors to our whole

> > health problem with these kids-the insurance issues, the fact that

> > autism is still listed in the DSM incorrectly etc and I know it is not

> > mainstreamed and bio-med not accepted. There are problems in every

> > corner you look-with peds, legislators--in short-DANS should not take

> > all the heat for this massive problem.

> > > thanks, Maurine

> >

>

September 28, 2007

Becky,

Between HSA's and MSA's most is covered. See link

You can use these for anything including bandaids and Motrin.

Co-pays are common. Supplements are also covered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_savings_account

>

> Hi Debi-

>

> Do Medical Savings accounts pay for supplements too? We are switching

> over to this type of plan in December, it will save us $450 a month in

> premiums, but I don't know much about it? Would you mind giving a run

> down of the typical biomed things that you have used MSA to pay for? I'm

> not sure how much per month we should try to contribute.

>

> Thanks- Becky

>

> Re: In support of DAN docs

>

> Your ped is lucky, our's only collects $40/visit. The average overhead

> can be $300-500, so that's 8 kids/hr minimum, or 7.5 minutes. I think

> our state's TNcare pays like $20/visit. No way can a DAN see a new

> patient in that length of time, or many times in follow-up.

>

> I think one thing that would help would be to get nurses trained to do

> more of the intake (future nurse here), but I can also see why a

> practitioner would want to ensure he/she knows everything he/she wants

> to ensure proper delivery of care.

>

> If more nurses, and many offices only have medical assistants, were

> DAN-savvy, they could do much of the explanations about how to start

> diets, how to give the supps, etc. But again, that also requires a big

> step of trust between practitioner & nurse. And many of us, after

> traveling hrs, want to see the doctor, not support staff.

>

> I read medscape talking about changing billing from per visit to pro

> rated according to minutes spent. That way the doctor is not penalized

> for spending time with the patient. If doctors would use their clout

> to get behind these sorts of insurance changes, we'd all be better

> off, as well as if more of us went to medical savings plans, where we

> control our own money, not the company profiting off us, and believe

> me, they do profit or they wouldn't be in business. With medical

> savings I can pay any DAN! when the funds are in there, I'm the

> manager of my own funds.

>

> Debi

>

September 28, 2007

The more peer reviewed papers that come-out the better - that is very much needed.

I wish we could stop calling it autism and call it a toxic encephalopathy with an environmental trigger...this yet to be named neuroimmune syndrome must replace the word autism.

The powers that be keep saying over and over autis..no known cause...no known treatment.

I say let them have their "autism" I don't bill for autism. I submit claims for colitis and encephalopthy, etc.

I don't know how to effect this change but it needs to take place yesterday or we will not make any progress in getting the vast majority of children treated.

regarding how do we bill for extended visits? Documentation in the chart is everything and I get whatever medicaid, etc will couigh up for a 99214. which ain;t that much.KP Stoller, MDPresident, International Hyperbaric Medical AssocMedical Director, Hyperbaric Medical Center of New Mexicowww.hbotnm.com-- "ahs10402" <allprint@...> wrote:

Thank you Dr. Stoller. You are doing Gods work without discrimination and financially decimating these families. The difference between you and SOME of your DAN colleagues is that you do care about the financial and overall plight of these families in the big picture. The DAN Doctors that fill out the insurance forms, but, do not submit them, never code for autism. Dr. Stoller can you explain how doctors handle the the "extended office visit"?What are you thoughts on additional peer reviewed papers being a importantelement to getting biomedical interventions for ASD mainstreamed? Your commenthit home about the "Ball Park" analogy. I changed Doctors and now have a D.O. who is very aware of my childs issues and had no problem prescribing me a LabCorp porphyrinstest for myself or kids. Thanks again Dr. Stoller for treating ALL of these kids that walk through your doors. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Everything you say is very true. However, if there are really > > DAN! > > > > > Doctors that were charging say $250 an office visit and now > > they > > > > > are charging $500 dollars or more as a result from the > > > > > McCarthy media blitz that is just crooked and wrong and has > > nothing > > > > > > > > Are they? Who? > > > > > > > > I find it interesting that a regular pediatrician collects about > > $80 > > > > from my insurance company for taking the weight and height of my > > kid, > > > > takes about 5 minutes, a well baby visit. So what does that work > > out > > > > to be... $960 an hour? > > > > > > > > McCarthy made several challenges on Larry King to the > > > > pediatricians to start getting trained on what the DAN doctors > > doing, > > > > so parents don't have to go to such great lengths to get > > treatment. > > > > With a well known DAN sitting next to her, nodding.> > > > > > > > Jen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> > > > Click here and shop from a huge selection of beads at discount > > prices!> > > > http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/> > > Ioyw6i4uNYqwyhwXWjS6wagMjcs6hs70xGPfb3jPLGaLTg3RmEomW4/> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get > > listings, and more!> > >> >> > > > __________________________________________________________> Vonage - Official Site> $24.99/mo. for unlimited local and long distance calls!> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.> Play Sims Stories at Games. > > __________________________________________________________> Vonage - Official Site> $24.99/mo. for unlimited local and long distance calls!> http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/JKFkuJkD69cGPJVytovNlqiY3u85mR7BgccLYgJJ99BxOoslgul8yg/>

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I think we need to ease into the change so others will know what we are talking about--for example in a letter to the editor--- For example"Recovery is possible for toxic encephalopathy(once referred to as autism) etc etc. I can do that. Maurine"KP Stoller, MD" <hbotnm@...> wrote: The more peer reviewed papers that come-out the better - that is very much needed. I wish we could stop calling it autism and call it a toxic encephalopathy with an environmental trigger...this yet to

be named neuroimmune syndrome must replace the word autism. The powers that be keep saying over and over autis..no known cause...no known treatment. I say let them have their "autism" I don't bill for autism. I submit claims for colitis and encephalopthy, etc. I don't know how to effect this change but it needs to take place yesterday or we will not make any progress in getting the vast majority of children treated. regarding how do we bill for extended visits? Documentation in the chart is everything and I get whatever medicaid, etc will couigh up for a 99214. which ain;t that much.KP Stoller, MDPresident, International Hyperbaric Medical AssocMedical Director, Hyperbaric Medical Center of New Mexicowww.hbotnm.com-- "ahs10402" <allprintnycap (DOT) rr.com> wrote: Thank you Dr. Stoller. You are doing Gods work without discrimination and financially

decimating these families. The difference between you and SOME of your DAN colleagues is that you do care about the financial and overall plight of these families in the big picture. The DAN Doctors that fill out the insurance forms, but, do not submit them, never code for autism. Dr. Stoller can you explain how doctors handle the the "extended office visit"?What are you thoughts on additional peer reviewed papers being a importantelement to getting biomedical interventions for ASD mainstreamed? Your commenthit home about the "Ball Park" analogy. I changed Doctors and now have a D.O. who is very aware of my childs issues and had no problem prescribing me a LabCorp porphyrinstest for myself or kids. Thanks again Dr. Stoller for treating ALL of these kids that walk through your doors. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Everything you say is very true. However, if there are really > > DAN! > > > > > Doctors that were charging say $250 an office visit and now > > they > > > > > are charging $500 dollars or more as a result from the > > > > > McCarthy media blitz that is just crooked and wrong and has > > nothing > > > > > > > > Are they? Who? > > > > > > >

> I find it interesting that a regular pediatrician collects about > > $80 > > > > from my insurance company for taking the weight and height of my > > kid, > > > > takes about 5 minutes, a well baby visit. So what does that work > > out > > > > to be... $960 an hour? > > > > > > > > McCarthy made several challenges on Larry King to the > > > > pediatricians to start getting trained on what the DAN doctors > > doing, > > > > so parents don't have to go to such great lengths to get > > treatment. > > > > With a well known DAN sitting next to her, nodding.> > > > > > > > Jen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 28, 2007

I use ours to pay for IV chelation scrips, test strips for my generic

glucometer (1/2 the price than the brand-name insurance requires me to

use in order to get a discount), and a plethora of supplements. For

us, our problem is that the employer does not fully fund his portion

until we have incurred so much in claims, so we are somewhat chasing

to keep it funded. For this reason sometimes I pay out of pocket, and

sometimes I use our MS card, which is just like a credit or debit

card, a VISA card. Essentially you can use it for anything

medical-related. I can use it to pay DAN docs who don't accept

insurance, etc. If we had enough accumulated, I would use it to pay

for HBOT treatments.

I would suggest you consider how much you will need on a monthly basis

& try to fund that, plus a little extra for misc doctor visits, like

if the kids get sick. I'm assuming your employer takes out the funds

before payroll taxes, which could save you even more money because

it's tax-free. In other words, it might save you some money by having

a higher amount deducted then paying for some out of pocket expenses.

HTH,

Debi

September 29, 2007

Well, I do NOT see a DAN for this reason! My doctor that does

chelation for our daughter has been better for her then any of the 4

DAN's I saw. I am on your side on this one. Her chelation doctor

(who is a traditional medical doctor--pulmonologist to be exact)

does accept insurance (thank GOD) and he takes a huge cut for that

as well (insurane only gives him a small portion for each chelation

we do). His office is considerably smaller then some of the " big "

DAN's I have seen so I was just saying that because insurance does

not cover many of the treatments they (DAN) do and they need to pay

their staffs and perhaps that is why they charge so much. I was NOT

justifying it, if I did I would still be seeing a very expensive

DAN! I NEVER SAID DAN DOCTORS WERE MY HERO'S!!!!! Don't know where

that one came from.

Tina

> > >

> > > Hi

> > > You are very knowledgable on this issue and I agree with

you. I

> > presented a very complicated problem much too simply. I was

really

> > just trying to shift all the blame from the DAN doctors to our

whole

> > health problem with these kids-the insurance issues, the fact

that

> > autism is still listed in the DSM incorrectly etc and I know it

is not

> > mainstreamed and bio-med not accepted. There are problems in

every

> > corner you look-with peds, legislators--in short-DANS should not

take

> > all the heat for this massive problem.

> > > thanks, Maurine

> >

>

September 29, 2007

Dr. Buie does not do chelation. He is

a pediatric gastroenterologist. He works out of Boston.

Pamela

" Courage is doing

what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're

scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker,

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September 29, 2007

Has anybody used Dr. Buie? Did you like him? Did you get a diagnosis?

My son still has constipation and HUGE stools. Dr. Buie is actually

on my insurance and traveling to Boston would not be a problem for

me...

Thanks

in Houston

>

> Dr. Buie does not do chelation. He is a pediatric

gastroenterologist. He

> works out of Boston.

>

> Pamela

>

> " Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no

courage unless

> you're scared. "

>

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>

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He’s

not taking patients even though it says so on the Mass General website. I just

called again yesterday. He is not even putting anyone on a waiting list, because

that is so long.

The receptionist said he is referring people

to a Dr. Yuan that works in Newton-Wellsley. Apparently he training under Dr. Buie

and has worked with families of ASD kids, but not focused only on ASD.

What about going to Dr. Krigsman at Thoughtful

House in Austin and submit the claims to your insurance yourself? At least you

wouldn’t have to pay the travel expenses.

Becky

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September 29, 2007

Buie's team is accepting patients. Don't give up. Be persistent. If he is

booked he has a

resident who Buie oversees with his staff 50% of the time. She is very

competent. i.e. 1

hour visit is 50% with resident 50% with Buie. You will have a long wait for an

appointment

and if they say they are not accepting patients be persistent. When you are the

best at

what you do and don't discriminate you tend to have a booked schedule. With Dr.

Krigsman, who is good GI Dr., you cannot be sure your insurance will cover it.

Many

people being treated by him have ended up writing the $10,000.00 check. Buie

does all

the pre-authorization for insurance including out of state medicaid. We all

know he is a GI

Dr., but, the bottom line is he treats these kids medically and is arguably the

best at

treating many of our kids git issues.

> >

> > Dr. Buie does not do chelation. He is a pediatric

> gastroenterologist. He

> > works out of Boston.

> >

> > Pamela

> >

> > " Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no

> courage unless

> > you're scared. "

> >

> > Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

> >

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> number? Lia

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September 29, 2007

hi.. doctor stoller.. I know this is OT.. but there is a facility for hyperbaric treatment nearby me... I am scared to try this.. I always think that the eyesight may be affected.. (you can email me privately)...like a baby getting to much oxygen at birth.. I know a family that this happened. thanks.. LiaSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

September 29, 2007

Becky,

My Medical savings account did pay for bio

meds after I got the doc to put is on a prescription. She stated that this was

in lieu of pharmaceuticals which will cause adverse side effects in my son.

They cover it now with no problem. I had it cover his Cod liver oil, omega 3,

coQ10, zinc, Juice Plus antioxidant vitamins.

Alisa

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Becky Grant-Widen

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007

4:18 AM

EOHarm

Subject: RE: Re: In

support of DAN docs

Hi Debi-

Do Medical Savings accounts pay for supplements too? We are

switching over to this type of plan in December, it will save us $450 a month

in premiums, but I don’t know much about it? Would you mind giving a run

down of the typical biomed things that you have used MSA to pay for? I’m

not sure how much per month we should try to contribute.

Thanks- Becky

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From: EOHarm

[mailto:EOHarm ]

On Behalf Of Debi

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007

12:29 AM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: In support

of DAN docs

Your ped

is lucky, our's only collects $40/visit. The average overhead

can be $300-500, so that's 8 kids/hr minimum, or 7.5 minutes. I think

our state's TNcare pays like $20/visit. No way can a DAN see a new

patient in that length of time, or many times in follow-up.

I think one thing that would help would be to get nurses trained to do

more of the intake (future nurse here), but I can also see why a

practitioner would want to ensure he/she knows everything he/she wants

to ensure proper delivery of care.

If more nurses, and many offices only have medical assistants, were

DAN-savvy, they could do much of the explanations about how to start

diets, how to give the supps, etc. But again, that also requires a big

step of trust between practitioner & nurse. And many of us, after

traveling hrs, want to see the doctor, not support staff.

I read medscape talking about changing billing from per visit to pro

rated according to minutes spent. That way the doctor is not penalized

for spending time with the patient. If doctors would use their clout

to get behind these sorts of insurance changes, we'd all be better

off, as well as if more of us went to medical savings plans, where we

control our own money, not the company profiting off us, and believe

me, they do profit or they wouldn't be in business. With medical

savings I can pay any DAN! when the funds are in there, I'm the

manager of my own funds.

Debi

September 29, 2007

Now this is valuable information I can actually use (or try)! Thank you, thank you, Alisa. Do any of you ever fear if you keep publicly talking about this kind of stuff your kid(s) services will get pulled? A little paranoid here.EOHarm From: alisarandi@...Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:21:40 -0700Subject: RE: Re: In support of DAN docs