Re: Breaking News, Rescue Post

[Guest guest]

,

please… by your logic, then the parents that used various biomed

treatments that didn’t work for their child prove that they don’t

work for all/most ASD kids. Come on! Get off Marty’s back here. Not every

intervention biomed or otherwise can always be said to work for all or even the

majority of ASD kids. This kind of simplifying nonsense hurts ALL our kids.

I am pretty much a biomed only parent,

with no therapies except some speech and OT more than two years ago. Just

because something worked for my kid doesn’t mean that’s the answer

for another, its way more complex a disorder than that. I didn’t see shit

from the b12 shots, event though my son was extremely low in GSH and Cysteine. In

addition, the argument that Neubrander has seen improvement from b12 in 90%

patients, which you translate to mean should help 90% ASD kids is bad science,

selection bias of the study group being a big one, as well as the lack of a

control group receiving a placebo.

Becky

Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

Marty, That logic is the reason my kid's getting

better so I don't

give a rat's ass what you or Bob thinks.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from

my reliable sources I am

> told

> > > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > > for any announcement

of a new head of

> > environmental

> > > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not

taking on any new roles.

Not

> > sure

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > information but it

is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we

would all be better off

> making

> > > sure

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > environmental

proposals get submitted to AS

and

> > > then we

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > something to judge.

That to me will be the

real

> > > test.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

Becky thank you. You said so

eloquently expressed my thoughts as well.

Marty

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Becky Grant-Widen

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007

8:17 PM

EOHarm

Subject: RE: Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

, please… by your logic, then the parents that used

various biomed treatments that didn’t work for their child prove that

they don’t work for all/most ASD kids. Come on! Get off Marty’s

back here. Not every intervention biomed or otherwise can always be said to

work for all or even the majority of ASD kids. This kind of simplifying

nonsense hurts ALL our kids.

I am pretty much a biomed only parent, with no therapies except

some speech and OT more than two years ago. Just because something worked for

my kid doesn’t mean that’s the answer for another, its way more

complex a disorder than that. I didn’t see shit from the b12 shots, event

though my son was extremely low in GSH and Cysteine. In addition, the

argument that Neubrander has seen improvement from b12 in 90% patients, which

you translate to mean should help 90% ASD kids is bad science, selection bias

of the study group being a big one, as well as the lack of a control group

receiving a placebo.

Becky

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Message-----

From: EOHarm

[mailto:EOHarm ]

On Behalf Of Best Jr

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007

7:52 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

Marty,

That logic is the reason my kid's getting better so I don't

give a rat's ass what you or Bob thinks.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from

my reliable sources I am

> told

> > > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > > for any announcement

of a new head of

> > environmental

> > > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not

taking on any new roles.

Not

> > sure

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > information but it

is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we

would all be better off

> making

> > > sure

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > environmental

proposals get submitted to AS

and

> > > then we

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > something to judge.

That to me will be the

real

> > > test.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

Becky,

While 90+% of Neubrander's patients saw improvement from MB-12,

your placebo study would have wasted a lot of people's time when they

could have had improvement. A control group would have had no effect

on Neubrander's patients who realized improvement.

Your welcome to wait for all the research you like. I prefer to

take what we already know and use it now while my kid's young enough

to benefit from it.

I think overcomplicating the matter and delaying treatment

availability for all is more harmful than simplifying what we already

know...thimerosal caused the epidemic. I said it's responsible for

most autism, not all. NAAR and Bob say it's not responsible

for any autism. So, I won't get off his back or anyone else's back

who wants to publicize false information.

If Marty has a link to decision makers at AS, I hope he takes

something from all of this and brings it to their attention. On the

other hand, I'm not politically naive enough to think that anything I

have to say is going to change what Bob does unless I can

grease his palm with more money than Pharma already has. So, talking

to Marty is just spitting into the wind anyhow. Why bother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I

am

> > told

> > > > that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of

> > > environmental

> > > > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles.

> Not

> > > sure

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off

> > making

> > > > sure

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS

> and

> > > > then we

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the

> real

> > > > test.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

“So, talking to Marty

is just spitting into the wind anyhow. Why bother.”

your comments are so foolish. As a former Trustee of NAAR, I

have no problem being tainted for life in your eyes. I am proud of

what I tried to accomplish back in those days. Whether or not you talk to

me is irrelevant as to what AS does or does not do.

, I tried dot be respectful to you but apparently a civil discourse

in not in the cards for us.

I still wish you good luck.

Marty

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Best Jr

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007

9:13 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

Becky,

While 90+% of Neubrander's patients saw improvement from MB-12,

your placebo study would have wasted a lot of people's time when they

could have had improvement. A control group would have had no effect

on Neubrander's patients who realized improvement.

Your welcome to wait for all the research you like. I prefer to

take what we already know and use it now while my kid's young enough

to benefit from it.

I think overcomplicating the matter and delaying treatment

availability for all is more harmful than simplifying what we already

know...thimerosal caused the epidemic. I said it's responsible for

most autism, not all. NAAR and Bob say it's not responsible

for any autism. So, I won't get off his back or anyone else's back

who wants to publicize false information.

If Marty has a link to decision makers at AS, I hope he takes

something from all of this and brings it to their attention. On the

other hand, I'm not politically naive enough to think that anything I

have to say is going to change what Bob does unless I can

grease his palm with more money than Pharma already has. So, talking

to Marty is just spitting into the wind anyhow. Why bother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others

from my reliable sources I

am

> > told

> > > > that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for any

announcement of a new head of

> > > environmental

> > > > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is

not taking on any new roles.

> Not

> > > sure

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > information

but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me

we would all be better off

> > making

> > > > sure

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > environmental

proposals get submitted to AS

> and

> > > > then we

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something to

judge. That to me will be the

> real

> > > > test.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I

realize Lenny had asked for the thread to stop, but since it continued civilly,

I would like to respectfully reply, since my intentions were misrepresented.

I would never ever recommended a family ‘wait

for the research’ to try biomed interventions such as B12 shots, diet,

targeted supplements, chelation etc. Families can do their own research, try things

like diet, CLO, priobiotic that they can do on their own and work with a DAN or

other biomed friendly doc to do the labs, and treat based on the lab results.

I certainly didn’t wait for my son,

so I’m not sure how got that impression by my post. I get a

lot of calls/referrals from local parents, and always tell them what we did,

what helped, and still suggest they try what we didn’t find helpful because

other parents have had success.

I am in Dr. Jepson’s camp, I think Thimerosal

and other mercury exposure is a piece of the etiology of autism, not the sole

cause as he stated in his book. Dr. Wakefield made a point at one of the

conferences that there are probably several ‘autisms’ based on the

various causes for different subtypes of kids. This has always stuck in my head

and this is why we need the research, not just anecdotes. We will never get any

credibility, and fewer parents will have access to biomed treatments because they

are not given the credibility and therefore not tried.

If B12 shots help even 30% of kids with

autism, that is certainly worthy of trying on every ASD kids. Wouldn’t it

be nice if the approach was embraced by mainstream medicine, and our local peds

would just write the script for a three month trial for all their ASD patients?

We will never get there without good published research studies. It really

would not be too hard to do a double blind placebo controlled study of B12

shots on ASD kids. It’s pretty standard for drug studies to eventually

treat the control group if the intervention group greatly improves. If parents

don’t want to risk being picked for the control, fine, they can do it on

their own and not participate in the study. I know lots of families who haven’t

taken the plunge into biomed other than maybe diet, and would love to

participate in a study like this if it could give them access to biomed

treatments.

We don’t have all the answers within

the biomed community, but we have some good ones that are helping some kids,

but only those whose parents choose to cross mainstream medicine. We are the

minority, though. There are far more kids that only get educational therapies,

and I want that to change. And yes, I also want to stop poisoning our kids with

toxic vaccines. It doesn’t have to be either/or, . I’m waiting

for nothing. I’m also actively doing something about it for the kids

whose parents would never touch biomed unless their doc recommends it.

It is much more helpful to get the facts

straight before speaking out against the intentions or opinions of people you

do not know. I was merely trying to defend a person who was being made guilty

by association. The opinions others inferred he held, I had never read in his

posts at all.

Becky

Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

Becky,

While 90+% of Neubrander's patients saw improvement from MB-12,

your placebo study would have wasted a lot of people's time when they

could have had improvement. A control group would have had no effect

on Neubrander's patients who realized improvement.

Your welcome to wait for all the research you like. I prefer to

take what we already know and use it now while my kid's young enough

to benefit from it.

I think overcomplicating the matter and delaying treatment

availability for all is more harmful than simplifying what we already

know...thimerosal caused the epidemic. I said it's responsible for

most autism, not all. NAAR and Bob say it's not responsible

for any autism. So, I won't get off his back or anyone else's back

who wants to publicize false information.

If Marty has a link to decision makers at AS, I hope he takes

something from all of this and brings it to their attention. On the

other hand, I'm not politically naive enough to think that anything I

have to say is going to change what Bob does unless I can

grease his palm with more money than Pharma already has. So, talking

to Marty is just spitting into the wind anyhow. Why bother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others

from my reliable sources I

am

> > told

> > > > that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for any

announcement of a new head of

> > > environmental

> > > > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is

not taking on any new roles.

> Not

> > > sure

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > information

but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me

we would all be better off

> > making

> > > > sure

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > environmental

proposals get submitted to AS

> and

> > > > then we

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something to

judge. That to me will be the

> real

> > > > test.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have just read a great holiday read, called parts per million by Joy Horowitch.

It basically details the poisoning of a generation of children at Beverly Hills High school with the toxic emissions of oil wells that were located on campus. the book is relevant in my oppinion to our interests here as it shows that logic and common sense are being overridden by powerful interests in this world.

The Oil companies, the medical industrial complex have total interest in covering the widespread environmental contamination that is the result of human 'progress' over the past decades.

GE is mentioned in that book as a pretty heavy contributer to the toxic atmospheric cloud that is all over the ecosphere now and will effect our children and their children and other species for eons to come.

It is not just about the vaccines.

It certainly is not all about the genes!!!

Ange

Re: Breaking News, Rescue Post

Marty,You may be right. Further conversations between us may be a waste of time since you seem bent on blowing smoke instead of learning some basic facts about autism.Deth told us that 80% of kids would improve with methyl B-12. He was wrong. Neubrander showed that over 90% could improve with methyl B-12. That means that over 90% are affected by mercury or they would be manufacturing their own MB-12 and would have been unaffected by adding MB-12. So, you can see there that this is far from being just about my son. Did you read what Deth had to say or do I need to go into more detail so you understand?The point here is that it seems over 90% of autistic kids can be helped by addressing mercury as the main cause of the autism. This begs the question of whether Mr really has a right to say whatever he wants when he treats his grandson for mercury poisoning but refuses to mention it at all with his TV time, TVcommercials and other use of the media during which he begs for money. must be aware of the same facts I am if he figured it was going to be useful to treat his grandson the same way I treat my kid. So, how does he have a right to waste all that money he raises throwing it on the junk heap of genetic research when he should know that that isn't going to benefit over 90% of autistic children one iota? How does he justify allowing wackos from Neurodiversity to control his messaage board where EVERY person who helps to cure an autistic child is painted as a quack by these raving lunatics. Does he agree that the medical professionals who are helping his grandson are a bunch of quacks as Neurodiverse wackos are telling the world on his message board? is allowing bad information to be perpetuated when he could be advertising that which he knows to be true since it helped his grandson.How long did your friends follow the DAN protocol? How bad off were they to start? My son was described as a vegetable by his doctors and I was advised to just send him away. He's not cured yet and he still has problems like self-biting. He is, however, much improved and nobody thinks he's a vegetable anymore. It's a slow process for some. I've been at it for over 3 years. None of the BS therapies that advocates did a damn thing to help my kid. Those therapies may help some kids who are not severely affected but they are not going to cure the 90+% who have their autism due to mercury. You can try to paint me as an ***hole with your "blast away" at me jive but that's really not a very good answer as to why , NAAR and Gerberding are refusing to let the majority of parents with affected kids learn the truth about thimerosal. How many of those parents do you think will take their doctors advice and just toss the kid in a looney bin and forget about it like I was advised to do? Bob can change all of that by advertising the truth. I think he has a moral obligation to do so! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that> > there> > > > > > are no> > > > > > > > plans> > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental> > > > research. In> > > > > > > > addition> > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure> > where> > > > you> > > > > > got> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure> > some> > > > good> > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we> > can> > > > > > really> > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Marty> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I used to pass by that oil well all the time when we lived in LA.

Speaking of cover ups, they quite literally concealed the wells in a

tower and painted it with flowers! It was right next to the school

yard.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am

told

> that

> > > there

> > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of

environmental

> > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not

sure

> > > where

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off

making

> sure

> > > some

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS

and

> then we

> > > can

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the

real

> test.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I used to live in L.A. Where is this well you are talking about.? Both of my sister's kids graduated from Beverly Hills High School around 1988-89. maurineanacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote: I used to pass by that oil well all the time when we lived in LA. Speaking of cover ups, they quite literally concealed the wells in a tower and painted it with flowers! It was right next to the school yard.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told > that> > > there> > > > > > > are no> > > > > > > > > plans> > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental> > > > > research. In> > > > > > > > > addition> > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure> > > where> > > > > you> > > > > > > got> >

> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making > sure> > > some> > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and > then we> > > can> > > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real > test.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Marty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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So listen to this...  I was a student at Beverly Hills high school in the early 80's and every single day we would have softball practice on the field where the oil well was.  It literally loomed above us.  The smell was totally nasty!  I used to joke that we would all get cancer (or worse) someday.... Now I have a severely autistic child.  Some joke!On Aug 29, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Maurine Meleck wrote:I used to live in L.A. Where is this well you are talking about.?  Both of my sister's kids graduated from Beverly Hills  High School around 1988-89.maurineanacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote:I used to pass by that oil well all the time when we lived in LA. Speaking of cover ups, they quite literally concealed the wells in a tower and painted it with flowers! It was right next to the school yard.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told > that> > > there> > > > > > > are no> > > > > > > > > plans> > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental> > > > > research. In> > > > > > > > > addition> > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure> > > where> > > > > you> > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making > sure> > > some> > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and > then we> > > can> > > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real > test.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Marty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. 

[Guest guest]

There were news reports of brain cancer clusters from former

students when we were still in LA in 2000. The numbers must have

gone up from that time.

On the bright side, people on this list and altmed types in general

probably have developed exceptionally healthy lifestyles at present

which I'm sure lowers the risk from past exposures.

> > I used to pass by that oil well all the time when we lived in LA.

> > Speaking of cover ups, they quite literally concealed the wells

in a

> > tower and painted it with flowers! It was right next to the

school

> > yard.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You have got to get the book, very compelling!!!

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I used to pass by that oil well all the time when we lived in LA. Speaking of cover ups, they quite literally concealed the wells in a tower and painted it with flowers! It was right next to the school yard.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told > that> > > there> > > > > > > are no> > > > > > > > > plans> > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental> > > > > research. In> > > > > > > > > addition> > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure> > > where> > > > > you> > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making > sure> > > some> > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and > then we> > > can> > > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real > test.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Marty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

The well is on the sports field at beverly Hill High school.

They have a very large incidence of young past graduates with rare cancers especially among those who used to work out at the track.

Its a great read especially for all you lawyers out there . A good example of we are up against even when the cause is pretty damned clear!

Re: Re: Breaking News, Rescue Post

I used to live in L.A. Where is this well you are talking about.? Both of my sister's kids graduated from Beverly Hills High School around 1988-89.

maurineanacat_11 <anacat_11 > wrote:

I used to pass by that oil well all the time when we lived in LA. Speaking of cover ups, they quite literally concealed the wells in a tower and painted it with flowers! It was right next to the school yard.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told > that> > > there> > > > > > > are no> > > > > > > > > plans> > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental> > > > > research. In> > > > > > > > > addition> > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure> > > where> > > > > you> > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making > sure> > > some> > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and > then we> > > can> > > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real > test.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Marty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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[Guest guest]

Interesting too TX has lots of Oil refineries and one of the highest

incidence of autism as well. Apparently there is a lot of mercury in

the air in TX. I don't know if its tied to the refineries or

something else that is causing it.

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- In EOHarm , " Max " <max.walker@...> wrote:

>

> The well is on the sports field at beverly Hill High school.

> They have a very large incidence of young past graduates with rare

cancers especially among those who used to work out at the track.

> Its a great read especially for all you lawyers out there . A good

example of we are up against even when the cause is pretty damned

clear!

> Re: Re: Breaking News, Rescue Post

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> I used to live in L.A. Where is this well you are talking

about.? Both of my sister's kids graduated from Beverly Hills High

School around 1988-89.

> maurine

>

> anacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote:

> I used to pass by that oil well all the time when we lived in

LA.

> Speaking of cover ups, they quite literally concealed the wells

in a

> tower and painted it with flowers! It was right next to the

school

> yard.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I

am

> told

> > that

> > > > there

> > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of

> environmental

> > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles.

Not

> sure

> > > > where

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off

> making

> > sure

> > > > some

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS

> and

> > then we

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the

> real

> > test.

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