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Marty, from you mouth to God's ears. Now, which person over there is

God?

KIM

>

> Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there are no

plans

> for any announcement of a new head of environmental research. In

addition

> Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where you got

the

> information but it is not accurate.

>

>

>

> It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some good

> environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can really

have

> something to judge. That to me will be the real test.

>

>

>

> Marty

>

[Guest guest]

There certainly is no G-D over there. But there are some who I speak with who know the structure and what is happening there.

Marty

> >> > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there are no > plans> > for any announcement of a new head of environmental research. In > addition> > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where you got > the> > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some good> > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can really > have> > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.> > > > > > > > Marty> >>

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Marty,

Why don't you tell them to forget the environmental research and

just publicize the work that DAN is doing to cure autism. Maybe you

could get Bob to tell everyone what steps he's taken to help

his grandson.

> > >

> > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there

are no

> > plans

> > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental research. In

> > addition

> > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where you

got

> > the

> > > information but it is not accurate.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some good

> > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can

really

> > have

> > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Marty

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Marty. I do think there are varying levels of influence

at AS, some of which override others. Of course, that could be said

for any and every organization. Including my own household where I

just convinced my husband to order a kitchen island in black instead

of red.

I recall your posts from earlier in the summer. Can you refresh my

aging memory? Were you or are you officially part of Autism Speaks?

I'm just an autism Mom, trying to find answers for my three beautiful

girls.

Thanks.

KIM

> > >

> > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there

are no

> > plans

> > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental research. In

> > addition

> > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where you

got

> > the

> > > information but it is not accurate.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some good

> > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can

really

> > have

> > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Marty

> > >

> >

>

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Sure. I was a Trustee of NAAR and stepped back when NAAR and AS merged. At the time I saw it as a good thing as their was much dissent within NAAR and I was extremely displeased with the way things were going.

I often am criticized by many as I vigorously defend NAAR in its early days. I believe you give credit where it is due. However, the later days of NAAR are a different story.

I am not part of AS but I do speak with some there; help out where I can on some things of interest and occasionally express my opinion on certain issues.

While I do not see my son as vaccine damaged or mercury poisoned I still advocate for environmental research. My position is genetic research is important and has its role but it should not be at the exclusion of much needed research into other areas as discussed on this board.

Marty

> > > >> > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there > are no> > > plans> > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental research. In> > > addition> > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where you > got> > > the> > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some good> > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can > really> > > have> > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Marty> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, it's a pleasure to meet you. I figure if we're going to

converse I'd like to know you a little better. As a real live

person, not just a name on a board. Helps me keep things in

perspective. Yours,

KIM

> > > > >

> > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there

> > are no

> > > > plans

> > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental

research. In

> > > > addition

> > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where

you

> > got

> > > > the

> > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some

good

> > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can

> > really

> > > > have

> > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marty

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Unless I am mistaken, I believe environmental research is necessary and a good thing.

As for the DAN information, I am glad to work with anyone who will work to get someone to submit a proposal to AS and/or make sure whatever information needs to be provided to AS gets to the right person. Personally I do not follow the DAN protocol but have a very keen interest to see that it is explored further and any research relative to it be published.

Marty> > > >> > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there > are no> > > plans> > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental research. In> > > addition> > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where you > got> > > the> > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some good> > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can > really> > > have> > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Marty> > > >> > >> >>

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Marty,

I don't think there's any need to submit anything to AS as though

they are some sort of authority on anything.

Just because they have lots of money does not make them experts.

How long have you been involved with autism that you are not well

versed in the DAN protocol?

You didn't answer the question about Bob . Haley, Deth and

some others already did all the environmental research we need that

the IOM ignored. Why can't AS just pay attention to that which has

already been done?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there

> > are no

> > > > plans

> > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental

research. In

> > > > addition

> > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where

you

> > got

> > > > the

> > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some

good

> > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can

> > really

> > > > have

> > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marty

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

you were the one who suggested AS publish the information so I am confused by you comments. Who said AS are experts? Not I?

I have been involved in autism for fourteen years and I am extremely well versed in all aspects of the DAN protocol. I have many friends (some on this list) who follow it and have numerous discussions about it. Just because I choose not to follow it does not mean I am not well versed in it as you wrongly assume.

As for Bob that is a personal decision that he must make.

Finally If you believe that all the environmental research you denote below is all that is needed I would say that is a problem and you might want to rethink that position. I think much more is needed. In any event this is where I get confused. If you believe all the research is done then why would you care what AS does? I really don't get your point.

Marty> > > > > >> > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that there> > > are no> > > > > plans> > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental > research. In> > > > > addition> > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure where > you> > > got> > > > > the> > > > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure some > good> > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we can> > > really> > > > > have> > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Marty> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Marty,

Bob 's personal decision to treat his grandson and, at the

same time, shut up his daughter from talking about it is withholding

vital information from the general public that should be widely

disseminated. I believe I read that his grandson's condition has

improved with biomedical treatment, as has my son's. That's big

news, Marty, that any treatment can improve this condition. It

should be on the front pages of newspapers and headlined all over TV

news stories. Yet, AS opts to shut up anyone who wants to talk about

it, be it family members or average guys like me who visit their

message boards.

I don't need to rethink anything, Marty. Dr Deth explained how

mercury caused the autism. Dr Cutler told me how to cure it and my

kid's getting better. What else do I need to know? Over 7,000

people read what Dr Cutler has to tell us about how to cure our kids

and lots of those kids are getting better. I have no idea how many

people have been seen by DAN doctors but lots of those kids are

getting better too.

So, why do I care what AS does? Because AS is not giving out

information that we already know is helping autistic kids get

better. Instead, they waste parents' precious time by handing out a

ridiculous line of BS about doing more research on genetics. By the

time they do their idiotic research, all of those kids who could

start to recover today will be too old to benefit from it. Lots of

those kids will spend their whole lives in institutions because Bob

doesn't want his daughter or anyone else to tell the whole

world the truth about what caused the God damn autism.

We don't need any more studies. All we need is to have the truth

publicized.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that

there

> > > > are no

> > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental

> > research. In

> > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure

where

> > you

> > > > got

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure

some

> > good

> > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we

can

> > > > really

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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" I don't need to rethink anything," .."Dr Deth explained how mercury caused the autism. Dr Cutler told me how to cure it and my kid's getting better. What else do I need to know?" We don't need any more studies."

If only what you said is true then the world would be a much better place.

I am curious, is it all about your son? I am glad he is getting better but has it occurred to you that there is no single treatment method alternative or conventional that works for every child or adult with an ASD? Do they count in your world?

As for Mr. , regardless of how you feel about him, the fact is it his decision what he chooses to say or not say about his grandson.

If you really believe autism is that simple and Dr's Deth and Cutler have all the answers than good for you. Perhaps you have an answer to many of my friends who I know religiously follow the DAN protocol and are still sick and not recovered. Or do they not count or deserve to have other methods investigated?

I don't think further conversations between us will be productive. Feel free to have the last word and blast away at me. It is OK as it is for us to agree to disagree.

Good luck with your son.

Marty

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that > there> > > > > are no> > > > > > > plans> > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental> > > research. In> > > > > > > addition> > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure > where> > > you> > > > > got> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure > some> > > good> > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we > can> > > > > really> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marty> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Deth and Dr. Cutler both deserve our utmost respect and

gratitude for what they have done for our kids...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told

that

> > there

> > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental

> > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure

> > where

> > > > you

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making

sure

> > some

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and

then we

> > can

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real

test.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Marty,

You may be right. Further conversations between us may be a waste

of time since you seem bent on blowing smoke instead of learning some

basic facts about autism.

Deth told us that 80% of kids would improve with methyl B-12. He

was wrong. Neubrander showed that over 90% could improve with methyl

B-12. That means that over 90% are affected by mercury or they would

be manufacturing their own MB-12 and would have been unaffected by

adding MB-12. So, you can see there that this is far from being just

about my son. Did you read what Deth had to say or do I need to go

into more detail so you understand?

The point here is that it seems over 90% of autistic kids can be

helped by addressing mercury as the main cause of the autism. This

begs the question of whether Mr really has a right to say

whatever he wants when he treats his grandson for mercury poisoning

but refuses to mention it at all with his TV time, TVcommercials and

other use of the media during which he begs for money.

must be aware of the same facts I am if he figured it was

going to be useful to treat his grandson the same way I treat my

kid. So, how does he have a right to waste all that money he raises

throwing it on the junk heap of genetic research when he should know

that that isn't going to benefit over 90% of autistic children one

iota? How does he justify allowing wackos from Neurodiversity to

control his messaage board where EVERY person who helps to cure an

autistic child is painted as a quack by these raving lunatics. Does

he agree that the medical professionals who are helping his grandson

are a bunch of quacks as Neurodiverse wackos are telling the world on

his message board? is allowing bad information to be

perpetuated when he could be advertising that which he knows to be

true since it helped his grandson.

How long did your friends follow the DAN protocol? How bad off

were they to start? My son was described as a vegetable by his

doctors and I was advised to just send him away. He's not cured yet

and he still has problems like self-biting. He is, however, much

improved and nobody thinks he's a vegetable anymore. It's a slow

process for some. I've been at it for over 3 years. None of the BS

therapies that advocates did a damn thing to help my kid.

Those therapies may help some kids who are not severely affected but

they are not going to cure the 90+% who have their autism due to

mercury.

You can try to paint me as an ***hole with your " blast away " at me

jive but that's really not a very good answer as to why , NAAR

and Gerberding are refusing to let the majority of parents with

affected kids learn the truth about thimerosal. How many of those

parents do you think will take their doctors advice and just toss the

kid in a looney bin and forget about it like I was advised to do?

Bob can change all of that by advertising the truth. I think

he has a moral obligation to do so!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told

that

> > there

> > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental

> > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure

> > where

> > > > you

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making

sure

> > some

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and

then we

> > can

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real

test.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nice.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told

that

> > there

> > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental

> > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure

> > where

> > > > you

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making

sure

> > some

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and

then we

> > can

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real

test.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Gotta agree with here. If Autism Speaks was searching for a CURE, they would leave no stone unturned, regardless of how unpopular that may make them with pharmaceutical people. And YES, Autism Speaks does have the moral obligation to inform the public about ALL interventions that are helpful and hopeful for these children. ALL of them. Not just those that they feel will line the pockets of their organization. I'm having a hard time understanding how they could turn a blind eye to what has obviously helped their grandson. If it were me, I'd want to be sure EVERYONE knew... Sophia Best Jr <bettwice33@...> wrote: Marty,You may be right. Further conversations between us may be a waste of time since you seem bent on blowing smoke instead of learning some basic facts about autism.Deth told us that 80% of kids would improve with methyl B-12. He was wrong. Neubrander showed that over 90% could improve with methyl B-12. That means that over 90% are affected by mercury or they would be manufacturing their own MB-12 and would have been unaffected by adding MB-12. So, you can see there that this is far from being just about my son. Did you read what Deth had to say or do I need to go into more detail so you understand?The point here is that it seems over 90% of autistic kids can be

helped by addressing mercury as the main cause of the autism. This begs the question of whether Mr really has a right to say whatever he wants when he treats his grandson for mercury poisoning but refuses to mention it at all with his TV time, TVcommercials and other use of the media during which he begs for money. must be aware of the same facts I am if he figured it was going to be useful to treat his grandson the same way I treat my kid. So, how does he have a right to waste all that money he raises throwing it on the junk heap of genetic research when he should know that that isn't going to benefit over 90% of autistic children one iota? How does he justify allowing wackos from Neurodiversity to control his messaage board where EVERY person who helps to cure an autistic child is painted as a quack by these raving lunatics. Does he agree that the medical professionals who are helping his grandson

are a bunch of quacks as Neurodiverse wackos are telling the world on his message board? is allowing bad information to be perpetuated when he could be advertising that which he knows to be true since it helped his grandson.How long did your friends follow the DAN protocol? How bad off were they to start? My son was described as a vegetable by his doctors and I was advised to just send him away. He's not cured yet and he still has problems like self-biting. He is, however, much improved and nobody thinks he's a vegetable anymore. It's a slow process for some. I've been at it for over 3 years. None of the BS therapies that advocates did a damn thing to help my kid. Those therapies may help some kids who are not severely affected but they are not going to cure the 90+% who have their autism due to mercury. You can try to paint me as an ***hole with your "blast away" at me jive but that's really not

a very good answer as to why , NAAR and Gerberding are refusing to let the majority of parents with affected kids learn the truth about thimerosal. How many of those parents do you think will take their doctors advice and just toss the kid in a looney bin and forget about it like I was advised to do? Bob can change all of that by advertising the truth. I think he has a moral obligation to do so! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told that> > there> > > > > > are no> > > > > > > > plans> > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental> > > > research. In> > > > > > > > addition> > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure> > where> > > > you> >

> > > > got> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making sure> > some> > > > good> > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and then we> > can> > > > > > really> > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real test.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Marty> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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I think it is important to realize that I do not speak for AS or Bob . I believe it would ne more productive to bring that message directly to AS.

Marty

---- Original message ----

Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:10:08 -0700 (PDT)

From: Sophia <sophya_lauren@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Breaking News, Rescue Post

EOHarm

Gotta agree with here.

If Autism Speaks was searching for a CURE, they would leave no stone unturned, regardless of how unpopular that may make them with pharmaceutical people.

And YES, Autism Speaks does have the moral obligation to inform the public about ALL interventions that are helpful and hopeful for these children. ALL of them. Not just those that they feel will line the pockets of their organization.

I'm having a hard time understanding how they could turn a blind eye to what has obviously helped their grandson. If it were me, I'd want to be sure EVERYONE knew...

Sophia

Best Jr <bettwice33verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Marty,

You may be right.!

Further conversations between us may be a waste

of time since you seem bent on blowing smoke instead of learning some

basic facts about autism.

Deth told us that 80% of kids would improve with methyl B-12. He

was wrong. Neubrander showed that over 90% could improve with methyl

B-12. That means that over 90% are affected by mercury or they would

be manufacturing their own MB-12 and would have been unaffected by

adding MB-12. So, you can see there that this is far from being just

about my son. Did you read what Deth had to say or do I need to go

into more detail so you understand?

The point here is that it seems over 90% of autistic kids can be

helped by addressing mercury as the main cause of the autism. This

begs the question of whether Mr really has a right to say

whatever he wants when he treats his grandson for mercury poisoning

but refuses to mention it at all with his TV time, TVcommercials and

other use of the media during which he begs for money.

must be aware of the same facts I am if he figured it was

going to be useful to treat his grandson the same way I treat my

kid. So, how does he have a right to waste all that money he raises

throwing it on the junk heap of genetic research when he should know

that that isn't going to benefit over 90% of autistic children one

iota? How does he justify allowing wackos from Neurodiversity to

control his messaage board where EVERY person who helps to cure an

autistic child is painted as a quack by these raving lunatics. Does

he agree that the medical professionals who are helping his grandson

are a bunch of quacks as Neurodiverse wackos are telling the world on

his message board? is allowing bad information to be

perpetuated when he could be advertising that which he knows to be

true since it helped his grandson.

How long did your friends follow the DAN protocol? How bad off

were they to start? My son was described as a vegetable by his

doctors and I was advised to just send him away. He's not cured yet

and he still has problems like self-biting. He is, however, much

improved and nobody thinks he's a vegetable anymore. It's a slow

process for some. I've been at it for over 3 years. None of the BS

therapies that advocates did a damn thing to help my kid.

Those therapies may help some kids who are not severely affected but

they are not going to cure the 90+% who have their autism due to

mercury.

You can try to paint me as an ***hole with your "blast away" at me

jive but that's really not

a very good answer as to why , NAAR

and Gerberding are refusing to let the majority of parents with

affected kids learn the truth about thimerosal. How many of those

parents do you think will take their doctors advice and just toss the

kid in a looney bin and forget about it like I was advised to do?

Bob can change all of that by advertising the truth. I think

he has a moral obligation to do so!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told

that

> > there

> > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of environmental

> > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not sure

> > where

> > > > you

> >

> > > > got

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making

sure

> > some

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and

then we

> > can

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real

test.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marty

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Did you read what Deth had to say or

do I need to go into more detail so you understand?

No I have not. Please feel free to elaborate as I welcome

good information.

So, how does he have a right to waste

all that money he raises throwing it on the junk heap of genetic research when

he should know that that isn't going to benefit over 90% of autistic children

one iota?

Bob does not personally raise all the money for AS nor does he personally

direct where it is all going. AS is a public charity not a private

foundation and its board along with the SAB direct the research funds. So

any criticism must be distributed to all the parties involved. Needless

to say I disagree with your assumption on genetic research. It has a

place as does the other types of research discussed on this board and perhaps it

would be less of an issue if other worthy projects were funded.

How long did your friends follow the

DAN protocol? How bad off were they to start?

I don’t want to breach any confidentiality but some have done it for

many years with some good and others with poor or no results. Generally the

children were quite impaired. However, I do not see an unsuccessful result

for a particular child as any indication the treatment is spurious but rather that

perhaps another method is necessary in that case.

How many of those parents do you

think will take their doctors advice and just toss the kid in a looney bin and

forget about it like I was advised to do?

I am very sorry anyone ever suggested such a callous idea to you.

I will say when I was with NAAR, nobody ever refused to tell the truth about

Thimersoal. You may agree or disagree but it was a combination of

legitimate differences of opinion at that time as well as the limited

information available at that time.

I trust I was responsive to your questions.

Marty

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Best Jr

Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:06

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

Marty,

You may be right. Further conversations between us may be a waste

of time since you seem bent on blowing smoke instead of learning some

basic facts about autism.

Deth told us that 80% of kids would improve with methyl B-12. He

was wrong. Neubrander showed that over 90% could improve with methyl

B-12. That means that over 90% are affected by mercury or they would

be manufacturing their own MB-12 and would have been unaffected by

adding MB-12. So, you can see there that this is far from being just

about my son. Did you read what Deth had to say or do I need to go

into more detail so you understand?

The point here is that it seems over 90% of autistic kids can be

helped by addressing mercury as the main cause of the autism. This

begs the question of whether Mr really has a right to say

whatever he wants when he treats his grandson for mercury poisoning

but refuses to mention it at all with his TV time, TVcommercials and

other use of the media during which he begs for money.

must be aware of the same facts I am if he figured it was

going to be useful to treat his grandson the same way I treat my

kid. So, how does he have a right to waste all that money he raises

throwing it on the junk heap of genetic research when he should know

that that isn't going to benefit over 90% of autistic children one

iota? How does he justify allowing wackos from Neurodiversity to

control his messaage board where EVERY person who helps to cure an

autistic child is painted as a quack by these raving lunatics. Does

he agree that the medical professionals who are helping his grandson

are a bunch of quacks as Neurodiverse wackos are telling the world on

his message board? is allowing bad information to be

perpetuated when he could be advertising that which he knows to be

true since it helped his grandson.

How long did your friends follow the DAN protocol? How bad off

were they to start? My son was described as a vegetable by his

doctors and I was advised to just send him away. He's not cured yet

and he still has problems like self-biting. He is, however, much

improved and nobody thinks he's a vegetable anymore. It's a slow

process for some. I've been at it for over 3 years. None of the BS

therapies that advocates did a damn thing to help my kid.

Those therapies may help some kids who are not severely affected but

they are not going to cure the 90+% who have their autism due to

mercury.

You can try to paint me as an ***hole with your " blast away " at me

jive but that's really not a very good answer as to why , NAAR

and Gerberding are refusing to let the majority of parents with

affected kids learn the truth about thimerosal. How many of those

parents do you think will take their doctors advice and just toss the

kid in a looney bin and forget about it like I was advised to do?

Bob can change all of that by advertising the truth. I think

he has a moral obligation to do so!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable

sources I am told

that

> > there

> > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head

of environmental

> > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any

new roles. Not sure

> > where

> > > > you

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > information but it is not

accurate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be

better off making

sure

> > some

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get

submitted to AS and

then we

> > can

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me

will be the real

test.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am told

> that

> > > there

> > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of

environmental

> > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not

sure

> > > where

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off making

> sure

> > > some

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and

> then we

> > > can

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real

> test.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, thank you for the explanation of what

Derth says. I am interested in this and will do some further reading.

On another note where do you get the statistic of over 90% being affected by mercury?

That is a serious question as I am curious as to the source.

As for AS, I agree Bob wields much

power and sets the tone and direction of AS but even he is bound by certain

limits. Honestly I have no clue who they have spoken to but I am happy to

pass it on but without a research proposal I fear not much will come of

it. Another issue is that many physicians including some DAN

doctors are not scientists and publishing their information may be an exercise in

futility. In other words their conclusions may not be scientifically

valid even if they are 100% correct. That is why we need to get

some scientifically valid projects funded to move this forward.

Of course this is only my personal opinion.

Marty

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Best Jr

Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:02

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my

reliable sources I am told

> that

> > > there

> > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new

head of

environmental

> > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on

any new roles. Not

sure

> > > where

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > information but it is not

accurate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all

be better off making

> sure

> > > some

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get

submitted to AS and

> then we

> > > can

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to

me will be the real

> test.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am

told

> > that

> > > > there

> > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of

> environmental

> > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles. Not

> sure

> > > > where

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off

making

> > sure

> > > > some

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS and

> > then we

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the real

> > test.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, I appreciate the clear explanation.

I can’t say I agree with all the logic but I now understand much better where

you are coming from.

Money form AS? You odds of funding it from

winning the mega lottery is better.

Marty

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Best Jr

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007

1:03 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my

reliable sources I am

told

> > that

> > > > there

> > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of

a new head of

> environmental

> > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking

on any new roles. Not

> sure

> > > > where

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > information but it is

not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would

all be better off

making

> > sure

> > > > some

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals

get submitted to AS and

> > then we

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That

to me will be the real

> > test.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Marty, That logic is the reason my kid's getting better so I don't

give a rat's ass what you or Bob thinks.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from my reliable sources I am

> told

> > > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > > for any announcement of a new head of

> > environmental

> > > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not taking on any new roles.

Not

> > sure

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > information but it is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we would all be better off

> making

> > > sure

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > environmental proposals get submitted to AS

and

> > > then we

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > something to judge. That to me will be the

real

> > > test.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

found on the dr. mercola site

By W. , Jr., MD

Real Brain Damage

The amount of damage a given dose of mercury can do to

the brain (and also the heart) depends on one's age,

sex and genetically determined ability to excrete

mercury. Young children with still developing brains

are more susceptible, and males are more vulnerable to

a given dose of mercury because testosterone enhances

its neurotoxicity.

Most important, however, is one's genetically

programmed ability to rid the body of mercury. The

brain has a house-cleaning protein that removes

dangerous waste products, which comes in three

varieties:

APO-E2 (2 atoms of mercury out of the brain)

APO-E3 (1 atom of mercury out of the brain)

APO-E4 (no atoms of mercury out of the brain)

The genes we acquire from each parent determine which

two we have. People with two APO-E4 proteins (and thus

no APO-E2 or -E3) have an 80 percent chance of

acquiring Alzheimer's disease. And, according to one

study, autistic children have a huge preponderance of

APO-E4 protein in their brains.

Alzheimer's disease was discovered in 1906, again in

America, where dentists used mercury-laden amalgams to

fill cavities (dentists in Europe largely avoided

them). Today, more than 4 million Americans now have

Alzheimer's disease. It afflicts half of the people

over the age of 85 and 20 percent of ages 75-84.

The first symptoms of this disease are difficulty

concentrating and variable degrees of memory loss,

leading ultimately to devastating mental

deterioration. The brains of people with Alzheimer's

disease shrink by 25 percent and have distinct

pathologic hallmarks (neurofibillary tangles, amyloid

plaques and phosphorylation of tau protein). Brain

cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three

pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 ×

10-10 molar) doses of mercury, an amount approximating

that found in the brains of people who have a lot of

amalgam fillings.

Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an

adult's brain. An average-sized amalgam filling

contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury and releases

around 10 micrograms a day. Researchers put

radio-labelled mercury amalgams in the teeth of sheep

and determined where escaped mercury went with a

scanner. They showed that mercury atoms exhaled

through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory

nerve to the hippocampus, which controls memory, and

to other critical areas in the brain.

In another study, rats given the same concentration of

mercury that people inhale from their amalgams develop

the pathologic markers of Alzheimer's disease. People

with Alzheimer's disease have mercury levels in their

brains that are two to three times higher than that

seen in normal people.

The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this

disease. One investigator has found people who

received the flu vaccine each year for 3-5 years had a

10-fold greater chance of developing Alzheimer's

disease than people who had 1, 2 or no shots.

Another important factor with regard to mercury on the

mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the

professors in the IOM do not consider, is synergistic

toxicity -- mercury's enhanced effect when other

poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that

kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will

kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking

effect: all the rats die.

Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will

have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is

there. Vaccines contain aluminum.

Why Ignore the Truth?

Why do officials at the CDC and FDA and leaders of the

medical and dental establishment discount or ignore

all these important facts? Some of them being in the

pay of vaccine makers is one reason. The specter of

litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and

amalgams and, in the case of the FDA, not doing

appropriate safety studies on them is another. But it

is more complicated than that.

The hypothesis that mercury causes autism and

Alzheimer's disease is a new truth. And as

Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each

new truth passes through three stages:

It is ridiculed.

It is violently opposed.

It is accepted as self-evident.

The mercury truth is now in the second stage.

In the 1790s, Jenner observed that milkmaids

did not have pockmarks on their faces, like people did

who had contracted and survived smallpox. Milking cows

with cowpox rendered them immune to smallpox. He took

fluid from the pustules of infected cows, injected it

into children, and found that it protected them, when

exposed, from contracting smallpox.

The medical establishment of the day dismissed the

idea of vaccinating people with cow pus as nonsense.

Sir ph Banks, president of the British Royal

Society (the IOM of the day), told Jenner that he

would ruin his reputation if he tried to publish these

findings, which were so much at variance with

established knowledge. When other doctors and informed

individuals like Jefferson recognized that

" vaccination " did indeed work, its value was, in time,

accepted as self-evident.

Jenner's vaccine saved millions of lives and

eradicated a disfiguring disease that has a 30 percent

mortality rate. (But laboratories in the U.S. and

U.S.S.R. preserved the virus that causes smallpox, and

we now know that Soviet microbiologists grew vast

quantities of it in chicken eggs for use as a

biological weapon of mass destruction.)

Today, the medical establishment, led by the AAP,

AAFP, AMA, CDC and IOM, has gone to the other extreme.

Continued on Page 3

--- Marty <martyx2@...> wrote:

> , I appreciate the clear explanation. I can't

> say I agree with all the

> logic but I now understand much better where you are

> coming from.

>

>

>

> Money form AS? You odds of funding it from

> winning the mega lottery is

> better.

>

>

>

> Marty

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: EOHarm

> [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of

> Best Jr

> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:03 PM

> EOHarm

> Subject: Re: Breaking News, Rescue Post

>

>

>

>

> >

> > , thank you for the explanation of what Derth

> says. I am

> interested

> > in this and will do some further reading. On

> another note where

> do you

> > get the statistic of over 90% being affected by

> mercury? That is

> a

> > serious question as I am curious as to the source.

> >

> ***Marty, I got the 90% by reasoning. If we know

> that kids become

> autistic because the mercury prevents them from

> making any methyl B-

> 12, and methyl B-12 makes 90+% improve, we can

> assume that something

> is preventing them from making their own MB-12. We

> know that every

> child who was vaccinated before 2000 had mercury in

> their shots.

> I'm sure Dr Deth could tell you if some other

> foreign matter could

> also prevent methylation. As far as I can tell with

> my limited

> knowledge of science, it makes sense to blame the

> mercury that we are

> certain was injected into the kids.

> Let's take this a little further and ask why the

> rate hasn't gone

> down since mercury was removed or reduced from most

> shots. Start

> with the fact that the largest percentage increase

> happened in 2004,

> 3 years after they started using the HepB on the day

> of birth. (In

> 2003, there were zero cases of autism in

> Mississippi, New Hampshire

> and Puerto Rico.) Infants are not born with a Blood

> Brain Barrier,

> it takes a few weeks to develop. This means all of

> that mercury that

> didn't wind up stuck in other organs could have gone

> unabated to the

> brain and remained there. That's probably why some

> parents insist

> their kids were autistic from birth. I thought my

> son was dying at 4

> days of age.

> Enter the flu shot that is given to pregnant mothers

> with no

> restrictions on how far their pregnancies have

> progressed, shortly

> after most vaccines with thimerosal had been used

> up. That dose of

> mercury is going through the mother and into the

> fetus which, again,

> has no Blood Brain Barrier.

> I saw reference to a study years ago that said 99%

> of autistic

> kids had the APO-E4 protein. If you have the APO-E4

> protein, it

> means you can not rid yourself of any metals. If you

> have the APO-

> E3, you will be able to rid yourself of half of

> them, and if you have

> the APO-E2, you'll be able to clear all of that junk

> out of your

> body. I lost the link to that study and have never

> been able to find

> it since. I thought it was important. Whether it was

> true or not, I

> don't know but it certainly makes sense.

> So, what if we can chelate all of that mercury out

> of the brain

> and the kid is still not normal? Here's where HBOT

> might be worth a

> shot. It's been used in stroke victims, old folks,

> to help them grow

> new brain cells and regain function they had lost.

> It's been used

> for two or three years now to do the same for

> autistic kids. We know

> the mercury kills brain cells and that kids stop

> growing more

> somewhere around 8 or 9 years of age, I think.

> That's a lot of dead

> brain cells with mercury in your brain for that

> long. It's helping

> some kids. Maybe someone else could tell you more

> about it as I'm

> not well versed on the topic.

> >

> >

> > As for AS, I agree Bob wields much power

> and sets the tone

> and

> > direction of AS but even he is bound by certain

> limits. Honestly I

> have no

> > clue who they have spoken to but I am happy to

> pass it on but

> without a

> > research proposal I fear not much will come of it.

> Another issue

> is that

> > many physicians including some DAN doctors are not

> scientists and

> publishing

> > their information may be an exercise in futility.

> In other words

> their

> > conclusions may not be scientifically valid even

> if they are 100%

> correct.

> > That is why we need to get some scientifically

> valid projects

> funded to move

> > this forward.

> >

> > *** Scientists want double blind placebo studies.

> That's not

> practical here since nobody is going to spend the

> time needed to do a

> proper study on chelation and risk being stuck with

> the placebo. I

> believe tried a 3 month study, haven't heard

> his results but,

> he didn't use ALA so the study had no chance to

> succeed.

> You'd have to rely on anecdotal evidence anyhow,

> which scientists

> don't like, since it's the only way to measure if

> symptoms improved.

> If AS will give me some money, I'll quit what I'm

> doing and interview

> everyone on the Autism Mercury list who uses Andy

> Cutler's protocol

> (over 7,000 people), along with all the DAN doc's I

> can contact and

> give you back numbers on how many tried it, for how

> long, using what

> for chelators and what they got for symptom

> improvement. Many of

> these people will also have hair test, chelation

> challenge test and

> porphyrin test results. You'd have information

> dating back about 7

> years from such a study.

> >

> > Of course this is only my personal opinion.

> >

> >

> >

> > Marty

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: EOHarmgroups (DOT)

> <mailto:EOHarm%40> com

> [mailto:EOHarmgroups (DOT)

> <mailto:EOHarm%40> com] On

> Behalf Of

>

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“I don't give a rat's

ass what you or Bob thinks.” that attitude is exactly

why I regret having any discussion with you.

I wish you and your son the best.

Marty

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Best Jr

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007

7:52 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Breaking

News, Rescue Post

Marty, That logic is the reason my kid's getting

better so I don't

give a rat's ass what you or Bob thinks.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kim and others from

my reliable sources I am

> told

> > > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are no

> > > > > > > > > > > plans

> > > > > > > > > > > > for any

announcement of a new head of

> > environmental

> > > > > > > research. In

> > > > > > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. London is not

taking on any new roles.

Not

> > sure

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > information but it

is not accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we

would all be better off

> making

> > > sure

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > environmental

proposals get submitted to AS

and

> > > then we

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > something to judge.

That to me will be the

real

> > > test.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marty

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>