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In a message dated 8/30/2005 3:50:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, elizdelphi@... writes:

I believe that everyone ought to be allowed their own values and> belief systems without persecution from others...when they are in> their own homes. When people circulate in a society that encompasses >> many different value systems, then there needs to be a baseline> moral and ethical code that allows people to have a REASONABLE> degree of freedom without any negative effects on others.

Actually Tom wrote this.

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In a message dated 8/30/2005 3:50:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, elizdelphi@... writes:

I believe that everyone ought to be allowed their own values and> belief systems without persecution from others...when they are in> their own homes. When people circulate in a society that encompasses >> many different value systems, then there needs to be a baseline> moral and ethical code that allows people to have a REASONABLE> degree of freedom without any negative effects on others.

Actually Tom wrote this.

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> to : "I'm a Christian, and to those of us who are religious, what you are suggesting is profoundly disturbing and wrong. And whether one is religious or not, what you are proposing is totalitarian and goes far beyond any reasonable interest of republican civil government."I agree with and ask you at this time to stop this discussion. I certainly will not be a part of it.  Rainbow

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> to : "I'm a Christian, and to those of us who are religious, what you are suggesting is profoundly disturbing and wrong. And whether one is religious or not, what you are proposing is totalitarian and goes far beyond any reasonable interest of republican civil government."I agree with and ask you at this time to stop this discussion. I certainly will not be a part of it.  Rainbow

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Actually , this was MY quote. It was meant to say that, in my

opinion, people are welcome to do anything they want in their own

homes, but some sense of social order must be maintained outside of

homes since a society is only a society long as it can stay in peace

with itself.

Such a social order would be based upon a system of tolerance, but one

that eliminates any sort of infringement upon one another. Because

this system is technically an impossibility, it would have to be fluid

and flexible.

While groups like the ACLU can be instrumental in ensuring personal

freedoms within society, I personally do feel that they have in some

cases reached into over-stridency.

As I have said, I think the ACLU started off on the premise that all

people could conduct themselves reasonabley without infringing on the

rights of others, but I don't think that works in practice given human

nature.

Tom

I believe that everyone ought to be allowed their own values and

belief systems without persecution from others...when they are in

their own homes. When people circulate in a society that encompasses >

many different value systems, then there needs to be a baseline

moral and ethical code that allows people to have a REASONABLE

degree of freedom without any negative effects on others.

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Actually , this was MY quote. It was meant to say that, in my

opinion, people are welcome to do anything they want in their own

homes, but some sense of social order must be maintained outside of

homes since a society is only a society long as it can stay in peace

with itself.

Such a social order would be based upon a system of tolerance, but one

that eliminates any sort of infringement upon one another. Because

this system is technically an impossibility, it would have to be fluid

and flexible.

While groups like the ACLU can be instrumental in ensuring personal

freedoms within society, I personally do feel that they have in some

cases reached into over-stridency.

As I have said, I think the ACLU started off on the premise that all

people could conduct themselves reasonabley without infringing on the

rights of others, but I don't think that works in practice given human

nature.

Tom

I believe that everyone ought to be allowed their own values and

belief systems without persecution from others...when they are in

their own homes. When people circulate in a society that encompasses >

many different value systems, then there needs to be a baseline

moral and ethical code that allows people to have a REASONABLE

degree of freedom without any negative effects on others.

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Your voices have been heard.

We well temporarily end this line of discussion. Although at the

time of this writing, many of you may youselves not see this post

until after you've posted your replies.

Once you all see this post, please discontinue this line of

discussion for the time being.

Tom

> to : " I'm a Christian, and to those of us who are

religious, what you are suggesting is profoundly disturbing and

wrong. And whether one is religious or not, what you are proposing

is totalitarian and goes far beyond any reasonable interest of

republican civil government. "

I agree with and ask you at this time to stop this

discussion. I certainly will not be a part of it.

Rainbow

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Your voices have been heard.

We well temporarily end this line of discussion. Although at the

time of this writing, many of you may youselves not see this post

until after you've posted your replies.

Once you all see this post, please discontinue this line of

discussion for the time being.

Tom

> to : " I'm a Christian, and to those of us who are

religious, what you are suggesting is profoundly disturbing and

wrong. And whether one is religious or not, what you are proposing

is totalitarian and goes far beyond any reasonable interest of

republican civil government. "

I agree with and ask you at this time to stop this

discussion. I certainly will not be a part of it.

Rainbow

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Sorry , Tom, and all, I need to settle down and go do something else

for a while. :-)

wrote:

> I believe that everyone ought to be allowed their own values and

> belief systems without persecution from others...when they are in

> their own homes. When people circulate in a society that encompasses >

> many different value systems, then there needs to be a baseline

> moral and ethical code that allows people to have a REASONABLE

> degree of freedom without any negative effects on others.

Actually Tom wrote this.

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Sorry , Tom, and all, I need to settle down and go do something else

for a while. :-)

wrote:

> I believe that everyone ought to be allowed their own values and

> belief systems without persecution from others...when they are in

> their own homes. When people circulate in a society that encompasses >

> many different value systems, then there needs to be a baseline

> moral and ethical code that allows people to have a REASONABLE

> degree of freedom without any negative effects on others.

Actually Tom wrote this.

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This is a topic that I've wondered about on and off for years now and

just have never really looked into. A cursory look on the internet

isn't helping much.

Does anyone, perhaps one of you lawyers out there, have any idea what

the ACLU's done regarding mandatory vaccinations, or the damage that

they've caused? Anything at all?

It seems to me that if ever a group of people have had their civil

liberties stripped from them, it is the parents of vaccine damaged

children.