Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 The Medical College of Ga.'s Children's Hospital also has a Mcs inside the building(and the only restaurant). maurine (tit for tat, I guess-they support the Mc house)krstagliano <KRStagliano@...> wrote: Akron children's brought my daughter this nasty chemical laden coffee creamer to drink when I told them she couldn't have wheat or dairy. Those creamers are rarely casein free anyway. They had NO food for her to eat except fruit. I didn't trust the scrambled eggs assuming they had milk or were a powdered concoction. Hospitals are pathetic on food. And remember the uproar when the Cleveland Clinic tried to get rid of the Mc's in it's food court? The staff and families went NUTS. The premier heart hospital in the nation and they serve Big Macs. >> Try having a kid in a Children's Hospital for metabolic acidosis> related to vomiting & them saying, "gluten what?" Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Early Intervention therapists were aggressive in trying to get us to give our twins commercial pudding. We refused. They argued that it would help to expand their diet. They felt sorry for the kids that all we would feed them was unsalted organic rice, yams, meat, veggies, fruit and yogurt, saying that the kids were " bored " with their food and it would be easier to teach the twins table manners if they had more " variety " - aka junk food. We didn't ask the therapists to work on the kids' table manners. The therapists were also very " helpful " in trying to get us to stick the twins in cribs to sleep on their own and to stop nursing, arguing that attachment parenting can " contribute to developmental delays " . ???????? Our GP's nurse also shared the same view. > > > > Try having a kid in a Children's Hospital for metabolic acidosis > > related to vomiting & them saying, " gluten what? " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Stick to your guns there, Anacat, and avoid all that commercial stuff as much as you can: Your kids might not appreciate it yet, but they likely will when they get a bit older. It has taken me many years, but my kids are finally beginning to be able to tell others "no", even when their beloved grandparents are offerring them bacon and weiners, and other junk that is not good for them. I was not able to get my parents to cut this out, but I was able to show my kids some of the studies which talk about the downsides of nitrites in foods, aspartame, sodium benzoate, etc. Thankfully, most of them are now becoming aware of these ingredients before they buy anything at the supermarket, and are giving some consideration to these ingredients before making their purchases. It's not enough in my books, as they are still buying soft drinks which still contain sodium benzoate and ascorbic acid! It's a slow process, but I am happy that my kids are at least aware that aspartame, benzoates, and nitrites are not good for them, even though they are found in many of our food items. Aasa anacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote: Early Intervention therapists were aggressive in trying to get us to give our twins commercial pudding. We refused. They argued that it would help to expand their diet. They felt sorry for the kids that all we would feed them was unsalted organic rice, yams, meat, veggies, fruit and yogurt, saying that the kids were "bored" with their food and it would be easier to teach the twins table manners if they had more "variety"- aka junk food. We didn't ask the therapists to work on the kids' table manners. The therapists were also very "helpful" in trying to get us to stick the twins in cribs to sleep on their own and to stop nursing, arguing that attachment parenting can "contribute to developmental delays". ???????? Our GP's nurse also shared the same view. > >> > Try having a kid in a Children's Hospital for metabolic acidosis> > related to vomiting & them saying, "gluten what?"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 That's so wacko, it's causing me pain. Carolyn > > > > > > Try having a kid in a Children's Hospital for metabolic acidosis > > > related to vomiting & them saying, " gluten what? " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 My kid's living proof it ain't because of " health food. " She lived for six mos on nothing but french fries and chips. Evidently processed food isn't the answer, either. <eyes rolling at stupid therapists> Debi > > > > > > > > Try having a kid in a Children's Hospital for metabolic acidosis > > > > related to vomiting & them saying, " gluten what? " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Hospital food is absolutely disgusting. When I was recovering from an emergency c- section with my first son, the first solid food I had eaten in three days consisted of solid curdled milk. I checked the date and it was one month past expiration. If the staff doesn't kill you, then the food will! (whose children have been Mcs free for three years) > > > > Try having a kid in a Children's Hospital for metabolic acidosis > > related to vomiting & them saying, " gluten what? " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 In dark moments, I sometimes wonder if those therapists weren't deliberately foisting the most dairy/gluten packed food they could (well, they could have gone a step further and offered nondairy creamer, full of sodium CASEINATE) in order to trigger regression, because our kids hadn't yet really regressed enough to be catagorized and they needed them in a program to collect the grant. Afterall, the numbers had been dropping at the time and payoffs were waning. But nah, you've got a point. They were probably just stupid. :-P > > > > > > > > > > Try having a kid in a Children's Hospital for metabolic acidosis > > > > > related to vomiting & them saying, " gluten what? " > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 When I got preg with Dinah I went gfcf for a while, you wouldn't believe all the comments I got from everyone saying I was gonna hurt the baby because I wouldn't be " getting everything. " When I asked them what nutrition would be lost, no one could tell me anything. Nuts, they're all nuts! Debi > > In dark moments, I sometimes wonder if those therapists weren't > deliberately foisting the most dairy/gluten packed food they could > (well, they could have gone a step further and offered nondairy > creamer, full of sodium CASEINATE) in order to trigger regression, > because our kids hadn't yet really regressed enough to be > catagorized and they needed them in a program to collect the grant. > Afterall, the numbers had been dropping at the time and payoffs were > waning. But nah, you've got a point. They were probably just > stupid. :-P > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Debbie and All, If you want a valid assessment of your child's CURRENT status with respect to mercury poisoning (toxicity), then the " UPPA " tests provided by LabCorp and/or Laboratoire pe Auguste have been established, in published studies, to be able to assess your child's CURRENT mercury poisoning (toxicity), even though it does NOT directly measure mercury levels. Hopefully, this information will be useful to you and, if you need the deails, I would again encourage you all to study all of the infiermation provided on the " UPPA " page of the CoMeD web site: http://www.mercury-freedrugs.org ******************************************* *The information provided in this email * *is just that -- information. * *It is not medical advice and it does not * *require any specific action or actions. * * * *While the information is thought to be * *accurate, no representation is made as * *to the accuracy of the information posted* *other than it is my best understanding of* *the facts on the date that this email is * *posted. * * * *Everyone should verify the accuracy of * *the information provided for themselves * *before acting on it. * ******************************************* Respectfully, Dr. King http://www.dr-king.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At 02:50 7/5/07 -0000, Debi wrote: > >According to his rules Allie has no >mercury poisoning, except his >rules have an exception that even >if they don't meet counting rules >they could still have mercury poisoning. > >Debi > > >> >> I think a study involving Andy Cutler >> is a very good idea. >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I have followed Andy for quite some time and used his protocol for my son for the past 8 months. We have lost ALL of our diagnosis except ADHD. The changes were slow but steady and remarkable. Andy, thank you for ALL you do and have done. andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: It is a common delusion among laymen (and doctors, who ought to know better) that labortory tests are infallible.This is far from the truth. Read any medical text to find discussion of "false positives" and "false negatives." Really all you get is probabilities from a hair test, a blood test, or a urine test.In my book I spell out what the probabilities are and how to get to a certain answer, rather than talking down to the readers by pretending everything is sraightforward, certain, unquestionable and infallible.I'm sure most of you can exercise the level of reasoning to handle this, which is probably less than it takes to assemble a piece of furniture or bicycle where the instructions were written by a chinese person at the factory where they made it.> True. But if you read his analysis carefully, he is basically > saying he has developed a method that he is confident is > capable of identifying most people with mercury toxicity > with some degree of certainty. Yes. And I spell out how to get to greater certainty through very simple means.> But he readily admits that his method is not perfect > and that some could be id'd as mercury toxic by his method,> when in fact, they are not, OR id'd as non-toxic, when in > fact, they are poisoned. This is what a "false positive" or a "false negative" are, or in statistical parlance, alpha and beta errors. All lab tests have them.> From my readings of his thought processes, I suspect he> would likely welcome research to test, and potentially improve,> the method he has developed--as long as the research> was done honestly and openly by competent researchers. Absolutely, though this does seem unlikely.I'd also greatly welcome research into how to extract more information from the test.> An ability to see and admit imperfections in one's work indicates> to me a scientific honesty that I don't detect from those> who protest that enough is known, Militant ignorance has never appealed to me.> or from those who with-hold existing data, Personally I view this as morally shocking when the data is ethically releasable and conclusions in a paper are asserted that are drawn from analysis of it. It is also particularly shocking when the data is too expensive for someone else to regenerate. E. g. for my hair test book it would not be horribly diffficult for someone to get on the web and get tests and medical histories from 50 or 100 people. For the Faeroes study it is impossible to reproduce it, thus the position Dr. Grandjean took of witholding data is in my mind unethical Also for example the witholding of the porphyrin data from the DeRouen study of amalgam fillings in Portuguese orphans, though there were other ethical problems with this study as well.> thus preventing those interested from re-evaluating it.Correct.To be scientific, something must be verifiable or falsifiable by others. For practical purposes this means other people have to REALLY be able to go do it, it can't be something that is only possible in a fantasy world.Thus, for example, clinical trials without adequate disclosure of data are unscientific because it is too expensive to reproduce them.> I tend to trust researchers who admit that their work isn't perfect> much more than those who contend that their findings/> opinions are the final word and there is no need to do any> further investigation.By definition, there is no finality in science. The ones talking about finality are doing something else. I like to view it as a human sacrificing religion.> I don't know if Andy's analysis is correct or not. I would > like some testing done to find out if it is, and if so, to> find ways to make it even more reliable and also to give> doubters who do a hair test some confidence in the> results they get, beyond what folks on various listservs have> to say. As the basis of science is observation, this is the best proof there is.You could start collecting those cases and see how it comes out. It is a lot of work, but not impossible.> The main reason I think a test of his method would be > valuable though is because his basic premise that some > extremely toxic individuals actually have hair test results that > show little evidence of mercury toxicity You vastly misinterpret what I say.Most toxic people do show evidence of toxicity. With mercury the evidence is usually derangement of mineral transport, not a high mercury level.This idea of using indirect indicators isn't new - it has been going on for a century with the blood count. We don't measure vitamin B-12 levels to decide if someone has B-12 deficiency, we look at the size of their red blood cells. If those are too large we suspect B-12 deficiency (the parameter is MCV. MCH also usually is elevated).An interpretation of this akin to checking a hair test for mercury toxicity by looking at the mercury level would be for the doctor to see a high MCV and put the patient on a diet to make their red blood cells skinnier.> is CONTRARY to> the relationship between hair mercury levels and > mercury toxicity that has been assumed to be true by > many mercury researchers. If he is right, I think > a reanalysis/re-evaluation of some existing studies is > warranted. Yes, THIS is a very relevant issue.THIS is a reason that if federally funded science were about knowledge people would be all over this issue right now.> Sue> > > > > >> > According to his rules Allie has no mercury poisoning, except his> > rules have an exception that even if they don't meet counting rules> > they could still have mercury poisoning.> > > > Debi> > > >> >> >> 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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