Bextra

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Yes Susie I have heard of Tramadol. I have never used it myself, but I

know it is a good pain reliever, but it is not an antinflammatory, but

should work well for you. Have you tried it yet? Is it helping you?

Larry

At 06:40 PM 10/10/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Larry,

>I wanted to take Celebrex since they took Vioxx off the self but my Public

>Aid card wouldn't pay for it unless your over 65 and I'm 61 so I'm taking

>Tramadol 50 mg did you ever hear of this pill. Have a nice day .

> Susie

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Hi Larry ,

I'm glad you said that about this new pill I'm taking . I been taking this medicine for a week now I can tell when it wears off I feel more pain so I guess it working . What do you mean that its not a antinflammaory ? Well you have a nice day.

SusieLarry Lauer <lhlauer@...> wrote:

Yes Susie I have heard of Tramadol. I have never used it myself, but I know it is a good pain reliever, but it is not an antinflammatory, but should work well for you. Have you tried it yet? Is it helping you?LarryAt 06:40 PM 10/10/2004 -0700, you wrote:>Hi Larry,>I wanted to take Celebrex since they took Vioxx off the self but my Public >Aid card wouldn't pay for it unless your over 65 and I'm 61 so I'm taking >Tramadol 50 mg did you ever hear of this pill. Have a nice day .> Susie

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I would suspect it would be roughly equal in safety. Did your doctor feel

it was better than Celebrex? I'm not hearing that it is better in my

studies, but sometimes these docs have reasons for thinking that one is

better than another in a class.

Joanie

>From: <i_giv_val-u@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Bextra

>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:21:34 +0000

>

>Bextra is in the same category as Celebrex. My doctor recommended it so

>I'm wondering if there is any reason not to take it. Comments anyone?

>

>Charlene

>

> >

> > From: " Joan Baird " <jbair001@...>

> > Date: 2004/10/13 Wed PM 03:10:53 GMT

> >

> > Subject: RE: Re: VIOXX vs Celebrex

> >

> >

> > I think the safety profile with Vioxx was worse than Celebrex right from

>the

> > beginning. However, Celebrex will definitely be scrutinized closely,

>and it

> > wouldn't surprise me if it also got pulled. Unfortunately, the COX 2

>drugs

> > haven't really fulfilled their early promise. In general, NSAIDs like

> > naprosen or ibuprofen are as or more effective, and they seem to be

> > cardioprotective. Not sure what the CLOS team thinks of prudent use of

> > NSAIDS at this point. (chronic use would probably be a no-no because of

>GI

> > problems)

> >

> > Joanie

> >

> > >From: " Marleen Anconetani " <lovelymarleen@...>

> > >Reply-

> > >

> > >Subject: RE: Re: VIOXX vs Celebrex

> > >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:33:15 +0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Hello,

> > >

> > >I am interested in the messages concerning Celebrex.........I was told

>by a

> > >doctor that they will take celebrex off the market just like they have

> > >Vioxx. Has anyone else heard the same thing?

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >Marleen

> > >post-op

> > >8/21/02

> > >Dr R - NC

> > >299-239

> > >

> > > >From: " KJ _ " <kay_jays_here@...>

> > > >Reply-

> > > >

> > > >Subject: RE: Re: VIOXX vs Celebrex

> > > >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:14:22 -0500

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >It all depends on the person Celebrex did nothing for me and I tried

>to

> > > >stay

> > > >with it for about six months before switching to Vioxx which worked

>right

> > > >away. So it's just like everything else.

> > > >

> > > >According to what Dr.H. said they are doing a study right now on

>Celebrex

> > > >and in time something is going to come out on it as well.

> > > >

> > > >KJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >FOR MGB CHAT http://www.alexcia.com/chat/chat.shtml

> > > >

> > > >For great MGB Recipes Join the MiniGastricBypass-Recipe-Group at

> > > >MiniGastricBypass-Recipe-Group

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >From: " midge0138 " <midge0138@...>

> > > > >Reply-

> > > > >

> > > > >Subject: Re: VIOXX vs Celebrex

> > > > >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:48:30 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >FWIW -

> > > > >Celebrex has always been a better solution for me than Vioxx.

> > > > >

> > > > >Your mileage, however, may vary. :-)

> > > > >

> > > > >Marley

> > > > >6-24-04

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is it any better than the vioxx? It did nothing for pain for

>me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cami in IN

> > > > > > 264/144

> > > > > > 26/6

> > > > > > Re: VIOXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Celebrex 200 mg

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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In a message dated 10/15/2004 2:19:39 PM Central Daylight Time, carolann1312004@... writes:

Has anyone heard anything from their doctors about Bextra? Pfizer just announced it would do a corornary study, similar to what Merck did when they decided to pull Vioxx off the market.

____

I had a call from an old boyfriend....internist.....who asked me to immediately get off Bextra, as they hadn't entirely determined what about the vioxx was the cause of the cardiac problems. He says that when a drug company pulls a drug that is such a large % of their profit, there is probably more wrong than they're even admitting.

As for me, I went back to my Naproxin, with a known cardiac protection benefit.

y

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Hi Carol,

Yes...I read about Bextra yesterday...I had just popped a 20mg Bextra

in my mouth when I saw the article on news! Good Grief!

If they take away our arthritis meds, we might have to resort to

surgeries to fix our pain.

scheduled for TAR in 30 days...

Ankle Joint Replacement support group:

Ankle_Joint_Replacement/?

yguid=8379014

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Hi everyone,

Is it just me, or do the -2 inhibitors not do that good a job? I know its hell on my stomach, but 2 or 3 Aleve (naproxen sodium) seems to work much better.

Carollisaco_98@... wrote:

Hi Carol, Yes...I read about Bextra yesterday...I had just popped a 20mg Bextra in my mouth when I saw the article on news! Good Grief!If they take away our arthritis meds, we might have to resort to surgeries to fix our pain. scheduled for TAR in 30 days...Ankle Joint Replacement support group:Ankle_Joint_Replacement/?yguid=8379014

[Guest guest]

> Hi everyone,

>

> Is it just me, or do the -2 inhibitors not do that good a job?

I know its hell on my stomach, but 2 or 3 Aleve (naproxen sodium)

seems to work much better.

>

> Carol

>

>

> I know -2 inhibitors do not work for everyone, not quite

sure why. Like asprin. Most people with an average occasional

headache will get some relief from an asprin. But with cox-2 you

never know if you will be one helped by it or not.

I happily took Naproxin for weeks/months...don't remember know. Then

it started causing irritable bowl syndrom with me. As I took less,

to lessen the IBS symptoms, the pain got worse and worse. The Dr.

gave me something...don't remember what, but it did nothing at all.

Back to the Dr. asking for something stronger, after very little

sleep for 2 long weeks. She said there is nothing stronger I can

give you. I asked about Celebrex. She said it was not stronger,

just different... worked for some people not for others. She gave me

samples of Celebrex and Vioxx. I knew Vioxx was supposed to be a

little stronger, so I started with the Celebrex. Slept good for the

first in weeks, and loved it for several years. As my arthritis got

worse and worse, it no longer worked as well for me, but I still had

the feeling, I would have been in a lot more pain without it than I

was with it. I never had any stomach problems after years on it,

didn't have to take it with food, it gave me several years of relief

and am very greatful for it, and will probably go back on it for my

left hip when I need to. I just pray it is still an option for me.

No guarentees, but worth a try at least.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks, . I hope it (the -2 inhibitors) keep working for you. I'm calling my doctor Monday and asking if I still need to take Bextra.susanoops <susanoops@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,> > Is it just me, or do the -2 inhibitors not do that good a job? I know its hell on my stomach, but 2 or 3 Aleve (naproxen sodium) seems to work much better. > > Carol> > > I know -2 inhibitors do not work for everyone, not quite sure why. Like asprin. Most people with an average occasional headache will get some relief from an asprin. But with cox-2 you never know if you will be one helped by it or not. I happily took Naproxin for weeks/months...don't remember know. Then it started causing irritable bowl syndrom with me. As I took less, to lessen the IBS symptoms, the pain

got worse and worse. The Dr. gave me something...don't remember what, but it did nothing at all. Back to the Dr. asking for something stronger, after very little sleep for 2 long weeks. She said there is nothing stronger I can give you. I asked about Celebrex. She said it was not stronger, just different... worked for some people not for others. She gave me samples of Celebrex and Vioxx. I knew Vioxx was supposed to be a little stronger, so I started with the Celebrex. Slept good for the first in weeks, and loved it for several years. As my arthritis got worse and worse, it no longer worked as well for me, but I still had the feeling, I would have been in a lot more pain without it than I was with it. I never had any stomach problems after years on it, didn't have to take it with food, it gave me several years of relief and am very greatful for it, and will probably go

back on it for my left hip when I need to. I just pray it is still an option for me.No guarentees, but worth a try at least.> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Bextra is also a cox 2 inhibitor!

Deb in Charlotte

280/170

8/19/03

Re: Re: VIOXX vs Celebrex

Both Celebrex and Vioxx are 2 inhibitors - I think they will both be

taken off the market. (I am a registered nurse) I have tried both of

them and

felt " weird " when I took them - thank God I listened to my body and

stopped!

I have taken Bextra without any problems - maybe you would try the

Bextra!

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I agree with you!! I started out on Vioxx, and felt kind of uncomfortable, and after 2 months my doctor switched me over to Celebrex. It really helped me and made my pain manageable. I have now been on Celebrex a few years and I take it with or without eating and I have not had any negative effects from it. Over the last 12 years, I have taken a long list of different meds, and the Celebrex worked better than anything else for me, short of hydrocodeine. susanoops <susanoops@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,> > Is it just me, or do the -2 inhibitors not do that good a job? I know its hell on my stomach, but 2 or 3 Aleve (naproxen sodium) seems to work much better. > > Carol> > > I know -2 inhibitors do not work for everyone, not quite sure why. Like asprin. Most people with an average occasional headache will get some relief from an asprin. But with cox-2 you never know if you will be one helped by it or not. I happily took Naproxin for weeks/months...don't remember know. Then it started causing irritable bowl syndrom with me. As I took less, to lessen the IBS symptoms, the pain

got worse and worse. The Dr. gave me something...don't remember what, but it did nothing at all. Back to the Dr. asking for something stronger, after very little sleep for 2 long weeks. She said there is nothing stronger I can give you. I asked about Celebrex. She said it was not stronger, just different... worked for some people not for others. She gave me samples of Celebrex and Vioxx. I knew Vioxx was supposed to be a little stronger, so I started with the Celebrex. Slept good for the first in weeks, and loved it for several years. As my arthritis got worse and worse, it no longer worked as well for me, but I still had the feeling, I would have been in a lot more pain without it than I was with it. I never had any stomach problems after years on it, didn't have to take it with food, it gave me several years of relief and am very greatful for it, and will probably go

back on it for my left hip when I need to. I just pray it is still an option for me.No guarentees, but worth a try at least.> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

From a nursing point of view, when they said not to take Vioxx anymore that

put up a red flag to me on Celebrex and Bextra which are also cox-2 and all

work the same way. I decided to go with Naprasyn. I know that has been

around quite a while.

Janet

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Kaiser Permanente Temporarily Bans Distribution, Coverage for COX-2 Medication Bextra01 Feb 2005

..California-based Kaiser Permanente, the nation's largest not-for-profit HMO, last week ordered its pharmacies to stop dispensing Pfizer's COX-2 inhibitor Bextra because of evidence that it might increase the risk of heart attack, the Los Angeles Times reports. Kaiser spokesperson Beverly Hayon said this is the first time the HMO has decided to ban the use of a prescription drug approved by FDA. Kaiser's new policy on Bextra cites "significant concerns about the safety of the drug." According to the policy, "Kaiser's pharmacies in California will cease filling prescriptions for Bextra, and prescribers will be contacted with suggested alternatives" (Vrana, Los Angeles Times, 1/30). Sharon Levine, Kaiser's associate executive director of the company's Northern California unit, said the company decided to stopping filling Bextra prescriptions because the medication showed no unique benefits that outweigh possible risks. She noted that older medicines like ibuprofen and diclofenac were just as effective in curing pain in clinical trials and that there is no evidence that Bextra is safer for the stomach. She added, "[F]or safety and quality reasons, we don't want to be involved in dispensing this drug." Campen, Kaiser's medical director of pharmacy services, said patients will still be able to receive and fill prescriptions for low doses of Celebrex, another COX-2 inhibitor manufactured by Pfizer. Campen said studies of Celebrex in low doses did not show the same risks as Bextra or Merck's COX-2 inhibitor Vioxx, which was voluntarily withdrawn from the market in September 2004. However, "clearly at the higher dose levels, there does seem to be a problem" with Celebrex, he said. Levine said the ban is not likely to affect the insurer's nine million patients because its doctors already have been avoiding prescribing the medication (, New York Times, 1/29). Implications New prescriptions for Bextra will not be filled after Tuesday, and patients will not be able to get refills as of March 1. Kaiser will refrain from dispensing Bextra for at least six months or until FDA or Pfizer can prove its safety, the San Francisco Chronicle reports (Fulbright, San Francisco Chronicle, 1/30). According to the Los Angeles Times, "A ban by Kaiser ... could prompt other doctors and HMOs to avoid the drug." Pfizer officials were not available for comment (Los Angeles Times, 1/30). "Reprinted with permission from kaisernetwork.org kaisernetwork.org. You can view the entire Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, search the archives, or sign up for email delivery at http://www.kaisernetwork.org/dailyreports/healthpolicy. The Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report is published for kaisernetwork.org, a free service of The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation . © 2005 Advisory Board Company and Kaiser Family Foundation. All rights reserved. For more information on heart attack click here.

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It is believed that Bextra is more diangerous then Vioxx. Lots of blood

clotting and stroke, just a matter of time and it will be pulled, or

maybe not, seeing as how the FDA does not much have the safety of the

public in mind, but more how much money they are making.

Lucher wrote:

> Wasn't bextra in the news awhile back when they were talking about

> Celebrex, etc.

> Is there a connection with Bextra and heart disease? Or did I dream

> this up?

>

>

> camerawise <camerawise@...> wrote:

>

>

> Another great natural med for an irritated bladder is Aleo Vera in

> caplet form.... I was DX with IC 2 years ago, but I had ongoing

> bladder problems for 7 years before that. The DX before IC was tiny

> bladder. After IC DX I went on 600mg elmiron, atarax and evail....

> over a few months I found that atarax, bextra (which is used for

> pelvic pain) urimax (to help the spasisms) and dectrol, worked best

> for me.... my last hydro showed I still had IC but not as bad, so

> something is working.

>

> Now I take 300mg elmiron (have been on this dose for the last 12

> months), atarax, bextra, dectrol and urimax only when I flare.

>

> I have been given the OK both from my Urogyno and my LLMD, to start

> going off the bextra, then the atarax and the urogyno suggested to

> stay on elmiron and bextra until I have mroe children (or stay on it

> for how ever long I wish to!)

>

> There is nodoubt that I have IC and it was most likely caused by

> Lyme Disease.

>

> I hope everyone is having a pain free day!

>