Re: Re: A little about Marty Schwartzmann.

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Holy shit- a link? How about the fact that some of us know Marty personally and have worked with him?

Do you think , Bob, Mike and I are lying? We get enough crap from total strangers coming on the list and pretending to be something they are not. Just because you think Marty is “articulate & intelligent” means he MUST be working for Autism Speaks? Is that your argument?

Marty has posted on the list before many times- this is not the first. I’ve argued with him a few times myself personally. That doesn’t mean he works for AS.

Seriously- when 4 active people on this list tell you the guy doesn’t work for AS- have a little respect and use some common sense. Next you are going to say & Bob work for them too....

You guys should be writing emailing to all the networks tonight (if you haven’t already) instead of having this stupid conversation.

JMO-

On 6/11/07 10:29 PM, " McDonough " <kevntimmcd@...> wrote:

I need to jump in here....

It's hard for me (and probably others on this list) to understand how

one doesn't see the link, especially someone who is articulate and

intelligent, as Marty seems to be.

It was so obvious to me when I started looking into the evidence. And

now that I have gotten to know more parents of affected kids who are

responding to biomedical treatment or recovering, it seems like a no

brainer to me.

As most on this list know, There is a simple and accurate test which

can check for mercury toxicity, urinary porphyrin analysis. Every

parent of a child on the spectrum should have this test run on their

child.

Perhaps not all cases of autism are vaccine/thimerosal induced; however

I believe the vast majority are. And Marty, if your child has been

injured as mine was, I hope that some day he or she will receive

appropriate medical care. It has made all the difference in the world

for my child and his quality of life.

>

>

> Hi Guys,

>

> I have known Marty Schwartzmann for a few years. We live pretty close

> by and he has been very active in trying to help in anyway he can to

> help our kids.

>

> Marty is not convinced that mercury causes autism. We have talked

> quite a bit about this and he smply hasn't been convinced. Marty has

> made huge contributions to the welfare of all people with autism in

> NY. And I know he will continue to do so.

>

> We have worked together on several major projects and pieces of

> legislation and I hope to continue working with Marty in the future.

>

> Gilmore

>

[Guest guest]

, At the risk of being brought into a conversation that really is less than productive (I completely agree with you!), I think the link that was talking about was the link between autism and mercury, not between Marty and AS. Marie christine <christine@...> wrote: Holy shit- a link? How

about the fact that some of us know Marty personally and have worked with him?Do you think , Bob, Mike and I are lying? We get enough crap from total strangers coming on the list and pretending to be something they are not. Just because you think Marty is “articulate & intelligent” means he MUST be working for Autism Speaks? Is that your argument? Marty has posted on the list before many times- this is not the first. I’ve argued with him a few times myself personally. That doesn’t mean he works for AS. Seriously- when 4 active people on this list tell you the guy doesn’t work for AS- have a little respect and use some common sense. Next you are going to say & Bob work for them too....You guys should be writing emailing to all the networks tonight (if you haven’t already) instead of having this stupid conversation.JMO- On 6/11/07 10:29 PM,

" McDonough" <kevntimmcdsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: I need to jump in here....It's hard for me (and probably others on this list) to understand how one doesn't see the link, especially someone who is articulate and intelligent, as Marty seems to be.It was so obvious to me when I started looking into the evidence. And now that I have gotten to know more parents of affected kids who are responding to biomedical treatment or recovering, it seems like a no brainer to me. As most on this list know, There is a simple and accurate test which can check for mercury toxicity, urinary porphyrin analysis. Every parent of a child on the spectrum should have this test run on their child.Perhaps not all cases of autism are vaccine/thimerosal induced; however I believe the vast

majority are. And Marty, if your child has been injured as mine was, I hope that some day he or she will receive appropriate medical care. It has made all the difference in the world for my child and his quality of life.>> > Hi Guys,> > I have known Marty Schwartzmann for a few years. We live pretty close > by and he has been very active in trying to help in anyway he can to > help our kids.> > Marty is not convinced that mercury causes autism. We have talked > quite a bit about this and he smply hasn't been convinced. Marty has > made huge contributions to the welfare of all people with autism in > NY. And I know he will continue to do so.> > We have worked together

on several major projects and pieces of > legislation and I hope to continue working with Marty in the future.> > Gilmore> Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.

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she was refering to a link between vaccines and autism...

Re: Re: A little about Marty Schwartzmann.

Holy shit- a link? How about the fact that some of us know Marty personally and have worked with him?Do you think , Bob, Mike and I are lying? We get enough crap from total strangers coming on the list and pretending to be something they are not. Just because you think Marty is “articulate & intelligent” means he MUST be working for Autism Speaks? Is that your argument? Marty has posted on the list before many times- this is not the first. I’ve argued with him a few times myself personally. That doesn’t mean he works for AS. Seriously- when 4 active people on this list tell you the guy doesn’t work for AS- have a little respect and use some common sense. Next you are going to say & Bob work for them too....You guys should be writing emailing to all the networks tonight (if you haven’t already) instead of having this stupid conversation.JMO- On 6/11/07 10:29 PM, " McDonough" <kevntimmcdsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

I need to jump in here....It's hard for me (and probably others on this list) to understand how one doesn't see the link, especially someone who is articulate and intelligent, as Marty seems to be.It was so obvious to me when I started looking into the evidence. And now that I have gotten to know more parents of affected kids who are responding to biomedical treatment or recovering, it seems like a no brainer to me. As most on this list know, There is a simple and accurate test which can check for mercury toxicity, urinary porphyrin analysis. Every parent of a child on the spectrum should have this test run on their child.Perhaps not all cases of autism are vaccine/thimerosal induced; however I believe the vast majority are. And Marty, if your child has been injured as mine was, I hope that some day he or she will receive appropriate medical care. It has made all the difference in the world for my child and his quality of life.>> > Hi Guys,> > I have known Marty Schwartzmann for a few years. We live pretty close > by and he has been very active in trying to help in anyway he can to > help our kids.> > Marty is not convinced that mercury causes autism. We have talked > quite a bit about this and he smply hasn't been convinced. Marty has > made huge contributions to the welfare of all people with autism in > NY. And I know he will continue to do so.> > We have worked together on several major projects and pieces of > legislation and I hope to continue working with Marty in the future.> > Gilmore>

[Guest guest]

Oh- that makes alittle more sense. My bad.

On 6/11/07 11:09 PM, " Marie Ventura " <mariev_chicago@...> wrote:

,

At the risk of being brought into a conversation that really is less than productive (I completely agree with you!), I think the link that was talking about was the link between autism and mercury, not between Marty and AS.

Marie

christine <christine@...> wrote:

Holy shit- a link? How about the fact that some of us know Marty personally and have worked with him?

Do you think , Bob, Mike and I are lying? We get enough crap from total strangers coming on the list and pretending to be something they are not. Just because you think Marty is “articulate & intelligent” means he MUST be working for Autism Speaks? Is that your argument?

Marty has posted on the list before many times- this is not the first. I’ve argued with him a few times myself personally. That doesn’t mean he works for AS.

Seriously- when 4 active people on this list tell you the guy doesn’t work for AS- have a little respect and use some common sense. Next you are going to say & Bob work for them too....

You guys should be writing emailing to all the networks tonight (if you haven’t already) instead of having this stupid conversation.

JMO-

On 6/11/07 10:29 PM, " McDonough " <kevntimmcd@...> wrote:

I need to jump in here....

It's hard for me (and probably others on this list) to understand how

one doesn't see the link, especially someone who is articulate and

intelligent, as Marty seems to be.

It was so obvious to me when I started looking into the evidence. And

now that I have gotten to know more parents of affected kids who are

responding to biomedical treatment or recovering, it seems like a no

brainer to me.

As most on this list know, There is a simple and accurate test which

can check for mercury toxicity, urinary porphyrin analysis. Every

parent of a child on the spectrum should have this test run on their

child.

Perhaps not all cases of autism are vaccine/thimerosal induced; however

I believe the vast majority are. And Marty, if your child has been

injured as mine was, I hope that some day he or she will receive

appropriate medical care. It has made all the difference in the world

for my child and his quality of life.

>

>

> Hi Guys,

>

> I have known Marty Schwartzmann for a few years. We live pretty close

> by and he has been very active in trying to help in anyway he can to

> help our kids.

>

> Marty is not convinced that mercury causes autism. We have talked

> quite a bit about this and he smply hasn't been convinced. Marty has

> made huge contributions to the welfare of all people with autism in

> NY. And I know he will continue to do so.

>

> We have worked together on several major projects and pieces of

> legislation and I hope to continue working with Marty in the future.

>

> Gilmore

>

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Everybody calm down!

Marty is not a mole.

He is a skeptic about the vaccine/autism link. But he does not stand in

the way of those who have evidence of it. He works for our kids on

other issues like insurance - and many other issues.

We've got bigger fish to fry.

Bob

On Jun 11, 2007, at 10:57 PM, christine wrote:

Holy shit- a link?  How about the fact that some of us know Marty

personally and have worked with him?

Do you think , Bob, Mike and I are lying?  We get enough crap from

total strangers coming on the list and pretending to be something they

are not.  Just because you think Marty is “articulate & intelligentâ€

means he MUST be working for Autism Speaks? Is that your argument?  

Marty has posted on the list before many times- this is not the first.

 I’ve argued with him a few times myself personally.  That doesn’t mean

he works for AS.    

Seriously- when 4 active people on this list tell you the guy doesn’t

work for AS- have a little respect and use some common sense.  Next you

are going to say & Bob work for them too....

You guys should be writing emailing to all the networks tonight (if

you haven’t already) instead of having this stupid conversation.

JMO-

On 6/11/07 10:29 PM, " McDonough " <kevntimmcd@...>

wrote:

>

>  I need to jump in here....

>

> It's hard for me (and probably others on this list) to understand how

> one doesn't see the link, especially someone who is articulate and

> intelligent, as Marty seems to be.

>

> It was so obvious to me when I started looking into the evidence.  And

> now that I have gotten to know more parents of affected kids who are

> responding to biomedical treatment or recovering, it seems like a no

> brainer to me.  

>

> As most on this list know, There is a simple and accurate test which

> can check for mercury toxicity, urinary porphyrin analysis.  Every

> parent of a child on the spectrum should have this test run on their

> child.

>

> Perhaps not all cases of autism are vaccine/thimerosal induced;

> however

> I believe the vast majority are.  And Marty, if your child has been

> injured as mine was, I hope that some day he or she will receive

> appropriate medical care.  It has made all the difference in the world

> for my child and his quality of life.

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Guys,

> >

> > I have known Marty Schwartzmann for a few years. We live pretty

> close

> > by and he has been very active in trying to help in anyway he can to

> > help our kids.

> >

> > Marty is not convinced that mercury causes autism. We have talked

> > quite a bit about this and he smply hasn't been convinced. Marty has

> > made huge contributions to the welfare of all people with autism in

> > NY. And I know he will continue to do so.

> >

> > We have worked together on several major projects and pieces of

> > legislation and I hope to continue working with Marty in the future.

> >

> > Gilmore

> >

>

>  

>     

[Guest guest]

I think Marie is right.

Lesson: email is a really poor form of communication.

Proving a true association between Marty and AS may be even more

difficult than proving a link between mercury and vaccines.

Bob

On Jun 11, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Marie Ventura wrote:

,

At the risk of being brought into a conversation that really is less

than productive (I completely agree with you!), I think the link that

was talking about was the link between autism and mercury, not

between Marty and AS. <01.gif>

 

Marie

christine <christine@...> wrote:

> Holy shit- a link?  How about the fact that some of us know Marty

> personally and have worked with him?

>

> Do you think , Bob, Mike and I are lying?  We get enough crap from

> total strangers coming on the list and pretending to be something they

> are not.  Just because you think Marty is “articulate & intelligentâ€

> means he MUST be working for Autism Speaks? Is that your argument?  

>

> Marty has posted on the list before many times- this is not the first.

>  I’ve argued with him a few times myself personally.  That doesn’t

> mean he works for AS.    

>

> Seriously- when 4 active people on this list tell you the guy doesn’t

> work for AS- have a little respect and use some common sense.  Next

> you are going to say & Bob work for them too....

>

> You guys should be writing emailing to all the networks tonight (if

> you haven’t already) instead of having this stupid conversation.

>

> JMO-

>

>

> On 6/11/07 10:29 PM, " McDonough " <kevntimmcd@...>

> wrote:

>

>>

>>  I need to jump in here....

>>

>> It's hard for me (and probably others on this list) to understand how

>> one doesn't see the link, especially someone who is articulate and

>> intelligent, as Marty seems to be.

>>

>> It was so obvious to me when I started looking into the evidence.  And

>> now that I have gotten to know more parents of affected kids who are

>> responding to biomedical treatment or recovering, it seems like a no

>> brainer to me.  

>>

>> As most on this list know, There is a simple and accurate test which

>> can check for mercury toxicity, urinary porphyrin analysis.  Every

>> parent of a child on the spectrum should have this test run on their

>> child.

>>

>> Perhaps not all cases of autism are vaccine/thimerosal induced;

>> however

>> I believe the vast majority are.  And Marty, if your child has been

>> injured as mine was, I hope that some day he or she will receive

>> appropriate medical care.  It has made all the difference in the world

>> for my child and his quality of life.

>>

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi Guys,

>> >

>> > I have known Marty Schwartzmann for a few years. We live pretty

>> close

>> > by and he has been very active in trying to help in anyway he can to

>> > help our kids.

>> >

>> > Marty is not convinced that mercury causes autism. We have talked

>> > quite a bit about this and he smply hasn't been convinced. Marty has

>> > made huge contributions to the welfare of all people with autism in

>> > NY. And I know he will continue to do so.

>> >

>> > We have worked together on several major projects and pieces of

>> > legislation and I hope to continue working with Marty in the future.

>> >

>> > Gilmore

>> >

>>

>>  

>>     

>

>

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Diplomatic and well stated.

On Jun 11, 2007, at 11:11 PM, McDonough wrote:

Marty,

Thanks for your thoughtful and honost reply; and for your dedication

to helping those affected by autism. Please understand that many of

us are very incensed by the behavior and actions of certain health

agencies, corporations and individuals that have resulted in many

children not receiving medical care that could be so beneficial to

them. We are quite an impassioned and outspoken group, especially

when it comes to thimerosal.

It is refreshing to see members of one autism group speaking out in

support of a member of another group, even though there is a

difference in some basic beliefs.... and the mutual understanding

that the well-being of our children is the ultimate priority.

McDonough

NAA Chicago

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Guys,

> > >

> > > I have known Marty Schwartzmann for a few years. We live pretty

> close

> > > by and he has been very active in trying to help in anyway he

can to

> > > help our kids.

> > >

> > > Marty is not convinced that mercury causes autism. We have

talked

> > > quite a bit about this and he smply hasn't been convinced.

Marty has

> > > made huge contributions to the welfare of all people with

autism in

> > > NY. And I know he will continue to do so.

> > >

> > > We have worked together on several major projects and pieces of

> > > legislation and I hope to continue working with Marty in the

future.

> > >

> > > Gilmore

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]



LOL Sorry Bob, after seeing you write that for about the third time, I just got this image of you with a mega-phone, "Please return to your homes, there is nothing to see here. I repeat, there is nothing to see here. Please return to your homes"

-My inner dialogue plays out as sketch comedy.... it's why I always have a grin on my face!

Re: Re: A little about Marty Schwartzmann.

Everybody calm down!Marty is not a mole.He is a skeptic about the vaccine/autism link. But he does not stand in the way of those who have evidence of it. He works for our kids on other issues like insurance - and many other issues.We've got bigger fish to fry.BobOn Jun 11, 2007, at 10:57 PM, christine wrote:Holy shit- a link? How about the fact that some of us know Marty personally and have worked with him?

[Guest guest]

Now I'm really confused.

I thought articulate and intelligent was a precondition to not being from Autism Speaks.

Re: Re: A little about Marty Schwartzmann.

Holy shit- a link? How about the fact that some of us know Marty personally and have worked with him?Do you think , Bob, Mike and I are lying? We get enough crap from total strangers coming on the list and pretending to be something they are not. Just because you think Marty is “articulate & intelligent” means he MUST be working for Autism Speaks? Is that your argument? Marty has posted on the list before many times- this is not the first. I’ve argued with him a few times myself personally. That doesn’t mean he works for AS. Seriously- when 4 active people on this list tell you the guy doesn’t work for AS- have a little respect and use some common sense. Next you are going to say & Bob work for them too....You guys should be writing emailing to all the networks tonight (if you haven’t already) instead of having this stupid conversation.JMO- On 6/11/07 10:29 PM, " McDonough" <kevntimmcdsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

I need to jump in here....It's hard for me (and probably others on this list) to understand how one doesn't see the link, especially someone who is articulate and intelligent, as Marty seems to be.It was so obvious to me when I started looking into the evidence. And now that I have gotten to know more parents of affected kids who are responding to biomedical treatment or recovering, it seems like a no brainer to me. As most on this list know, There is a simple and accurate test which can check for mercury toxicity, urinary porphyrin analysis. Every parent of a child on the spectrum should have this test run on their child.Perhaps not all cases of autism are vaccine/thimerosal induced; however I believe the vast majority are. And Marty, if your child has been injured as mine was, I hope that some day he or she will receive appropriate medical care. It has made all the difference in the world for my child and his quality of life.>> > Hi Guys,> > I have known Marty Schwartzmann for a few years. We live pretty close > by and he has been very active in trying to help in anyway he can to > help our kids.> > Marty is not convinced that mercury causes autism. We have talked > quite a bit about this and he smply hasn't been convinced. Marty has > made huge contributions to the welfare of all people with autism in > NY. And I know he will continue to do so.> > We have worked together on several major projects and pieces of > legislation and I hope to continue working with Marty in the future.> > Gilmore>