[SPAM?] Re: CHD in Miami, FL Denying Parents Religious Exemption

[Guest guest]

Absolutely.

We may be on the same page, but probably not.

My major issue is that the vaccines per se are inherently unsafe. The protocol may be unsafe for most. The vaccines are never tested adequately. There are problems everywhere.

I don't blame the victim. Ever.

Positing an inadequate immune system as a defense for defective vaccine(s) because of inadequate testing smacks of the kind of genetic defense raised by those who have done much to corrupt this issue. It appears as if you are rationalizing an inherently defective approach to vaccination through the prism of your child's injuries and defective immune system. I view the problem as the vaccines per se, not your child's immune system. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that had your child not been vaccinated, the likelihood would be very small or approach zero that she would be suffering from the problems she is having. The difference is not merely one of degree, it goes to the heart of the issue.

Unfortunately, I'm reading your posts as "backdooring" a genetic rationale for what is otherwise a reckless approach to public health. We just don't believe that crap. Experience tells us it is designed to mislead.

We certainly all know to some extent what your family has been through.

I'm just having problems with the "vaccine apologist" aspects of your posts.

I'm also having difficulty with the putative level of honesty, that is all. It seems forced to me. It seems Autism Speaks to me. It seems apologist to avoid liability to me.

It just doesn't smell right to me.

[sPAM?] Re: CHD in Miami, FL Denying Parents Religious Exemption

"Your posts suggest that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines and the problem is immune deficiency caused by 2+ billion years of evolution." Well, if that is how you want to read it. If we are evolving (which we all know we are) then our vaccines should be, as well. Vaccines should not be "one for all". It is ridiculous that we have vaccines with such safety issues being injected into babies, or the elderly. Especially when they do not have an adequate immune response. The rate of vaccine failure is HIGHER in these groups, yet they receive the majority of the vaccines. It makes no sense.Do you find it acceptable that we remove all toxins, yet still vaccinate everyone the same? Even the immune deficient?"greeted with a measure of distrust and/or hostility" is exactly how I am being greeted, and to think, I came here looking for support, and others who know what the hell my family has gone through.There are more problems with certain vaccines than just the toxins in them.> > > >> > > > Hi Parents!> > > > > > > > I got a call from my friend trying to get her sons religious > > > exemption> > > > from vaccines and apparently a County Health Department in > > Downtown> > > > Miami is denying parents their right to a religious > exemption.> > > > > > > > My friend was calling from the waiting room of a different > CHD > > in> > > > Miami but overheard parents there complaining that they had > to > > > drive> > > > across town and have to wait again in hopes that they would > > not be> > > > denied again. > > > > > > > > A mother who's son came down with autism at 2 years old > after > > his > > > MMR> > > > shot shared her frustrations in the waiting room. She was so > > angry> > > > that she was denied exemption. Apparently, the CHD in > downtown > > > Miami> > > > is giving parents a hard time and telling them to go deal > with > > > their> > > > Pediatricians. > > > > > > > > My friend was very nervous and I assured her of rights. I > > quoted > > > her> > > > the statutes in the State of Florida. See links below and > > share > > > them> > > > with any parent. > > > > > > > > http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/flwelcome.htm> > > > http://www.know-vaccines.org/exemptionFAQ.html> > > > > > > > As every parent knows, it's hard enough to come to the > > realization> > > > that vaccines could be causing this epidemic of neurological > > and> > > > immune disorders but then to try and take time off from work > > and > > > sit> > > > for hours in a CHD that could give you a hard time and deny > > you > > > your> > > > right is too much to handle. > > > > > > > > As my friend pointed out, "It is so much easier just to go > the > > > doctors> > > > office and give my kids the MMR shot than to go through this > > CRAP" > > > > > > > > Here is the Information for the Florida Department of > Health. > > If > > > you> > > > have time and are as angry as I am, contact them and let > them > > > know > > > > that one of their County Health Departments is denying > parents > > > their> > > > rights. Remind them of the right for any parent to get a > > religious> > > > exemption and not be forced to vaccinate their child.> > > > > > > > BUREAU OF IMMUNIZATION> > > > 4052 Bald Cypress Way - Tallahassee, FL 32399-1719> > > > (850) 245-4342 - Sun Com 205-4342, Fax 922-4195> > > > , Bureau Chief> > > > For questions, please email the bureau at Immunization@> > > > > > > > To contact the Miami-Dade County Health Department, please > > send an> > > > e-mail to: MDCHD_Feedback@> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

" Unfortunately, I'm reading your posts as " backdooring " a genetic

rationale for what is otherwise a reckless approach to public

health. We just don't believe that crap. "

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this and prior posts, but I've read a

number of posts on this site talk of children having a genetic

predisposition to environmental toxins or exposure (don't know if I

worded that correctly. In fact, I tend to believe that myself. How

else could you possibly explain why only a subset of the entire

population that is vaccinated children end up with a spectrum

disorder?

My point is, a genetic predisposition subsumes a genetic rationale,

doesn't it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Parents!

> > > > >

> > > > > I got a call from my friend trying to get her sons

> religious

> > > > exemption

> > > > > from vaccines and apparently a County Health Department

in

> > > Downtown

> > > > > Miami is denying parents their right to a religious

> > exemption.

> > > > >

> > > > > My friend was calling from the waiting room of a

different

> > CHD

> > > in

> > > > > Miami but overheard parents there complaining that they

> had

> > to

> > > > drive

> > > > > across town and have to wait again in hopes that they

> would

> > > not be

> > > > > denied again.

> > > > >

> > > > > A mother who's son came down with autism at 2 years old

> > after

> > > his

> > > > MMR

> > > > > shot shared her frustrations in the waiting room. She

was

> so

> > > angry

> > > > > that she was denied exemption. Apparently, the CHD in

> > downtown

> > > > Miami

> > > > > is giving parents a hard time and telling them to go

deal

> > with

> > > > their

> > > > > Pediatricians.

> > > > >

> > > > > My friend was very nervous and I assured her of rights.

I

> > > quoted

> > > > her

> > > > > the statutes in the State of Florida. See links below

and

> > > share

> > > > them

> > > > > with any parent.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/flwelcome.htm

> > > > > http://www.know-vaccines.org/exemptionFAQ.html

> > > > >

> > > > > As every parent knows, it's hard enough to come to the

> > > realization

> > > > > that vaccines could be causing this epidemic of

> neurological

> > > and

> > > > > immune disorders but then to try and take time off from

> work

> > > and

> > > > sit

> > > > > for hours in a CHD that could give you a hard time and

> deny

> > > you

> > > > your

> > > > > right is too much to handle.

> > > > >

> > > > > As my friend pointed out, " It is so much easier just to

go

> > the

> > > > doctors

> > > > > office and give my kids the MMR shot than to go through

> this

> > > CRAP "

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is the Information for the Florida Department of

> > Health.

> > > If

> > > > you

> > > > > have time and are as angry as I am, contact them and let

> > them

> > > > know

> > > > > that one of their County Health Departments is denying

> > parents

> > > > their

> > > > > rights. Remind them of the right for any parent to get a

> > > religious

> > > > > exemption and not be forced to vaccinate their child.

> > > > >

> > > > > BUREAU OF IMMUNIZATION

> > > > > 4052 Bald Cypress Way - Tallahassee, FL 32399-1719

> > > > > (850) 245-4342 - Sun Com 205-4342, Fax 922-4195

> > > > > , Bureau Chief

> > > > > For questions, please email the bureau at Immunization@

> > > > >

> > > > > To contact the Miami-Dade County Health Department,

please

> > > send an

> > > > > e-mail to: MDCHD_Feedback@

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Fine. I agree.

Just a little due diligence.

We're cool.

[sPAM?] Re: CHD in Miami, FL Denying Parents Religious Exemption

You may have your own opinions on my views, but please do not ever categorize me with autism speaks, did you not read my post concerning them?And, while our children may have been injured by vaccines in different ways, you cannot deny what has happenned to my daughter. Perhaps I do view things through my own prism, as it relates to Jade. And yes, I feel the vaccines are unsafe, and the protocol is not just unsafe, it is DANGEROUS! We were giving kids vaccine derived polio for 20 yrs, before we said- doh, maybe we should make the vaccine safer. And I don't see where you get off saying I am blaming the victim. I am blaming a broken and corrupt medical system and a vaccination program that does nothing to protect those it says should not be vaccinated! The CDC knows individuals with PID shouldn't be vaccinated with live viruses, yet the VIS barely mentions it, and doctors barely know about it. My daughter's pediatrician thought there was only a handful of PID's. Why isn't the CDC making sure all doctors understand not to vaccinate these kids? Because THEY DONT CARE. They want herd immunity, bottom line. The NIH details the precautions of PID-"Children with Primary Immunodeficiency diseases should not receive live virus vaccines, such as the oral polio, measles, and chicken pox (varicella) vaccines. It is not even safe to give live virus vaccines to children suspected of immunodeficiency until a definitive diagnosis is rendered. There is a risk that such vaccines could cause serious illness or even death."http://www.nichd.nih.gov/publications/pubs/primary_immuno.cfm#ImportantPrecautionsMost doctors are completely unaware of this. Why is it that the information at the top, never gets down to the doctors? Why?> > > > >> > > > > Hi Parents!> > > > > > > > > > I got a call from my friend trying to get her sons > religious > > > > exemption> > > > > from vaccines and apparently a County Health Department in > > > Downtown> > > > > Miami is denying parents their right to a religious > > exemption.> > > > > > > > > > My friend was calling from the waiting room of a different > > CHD > > > in> > > > > Miami but overheard parents there complaining that they > had > > to > > > > drive> > > > > across town and have to wait again in hopes that they > would > > > not be> > > > > denied again. > > > > > > > > > > A mother who's son came down with autism at 2 years old > > after > > > his > > > > MMR> > > > > shot shared her frustrations in the waiting room. She was > so > > > angry> > > > > that she was denied exemption. Apparently, the CHD in > > downtown > > > > Miami> > > > > is giving parents a hard time and telling them to go deal > > with > > > > their> > > > > Pediatricians. > > > > > > > > > > My friend was very nervous and I assured her of rights. I > > > quoted > > > > her> > > > > the statutes in the State of Florida. See links below and > > > share > > > > them> > > > > with any parent. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/flwelcome.htm> > > > > http://www.know-vaccines.org/exemptionFAQ.html> > > > > > > > > > As every parent knows, it's hard enough to come to the > > > realization> > > > > that vaccines could be causing this epidemic of > neurological > > > and> > > > > immune disorders but then to try and take time off from > work > > > and > > > > sit> > > > > for hours in a CHD that could give you a hard time and > deny > > > you > > > > your> > > > > right is too much to handle. > > > > > > > > > > As my friend pointed out, "It is so much easier just to go > > the > > > > doctors> > > > > office and give my kids the MMR shot than to go through > this > > > CRAP" > > > > > > > > > > Here is the Information for the Florida Department of > > Health. > > > If > > > > you> > > > > have time and are as angry as I am, contact them and let > > them > > > > know > > > > > that one of their County Health Departments is denying > > parents > > > > their> > > > > rights. Remind them of the right for any parent to get a > > > religious> > > > > exemption and not be forced to vaccinate their child.> > > > > > > > > > BUREAU OF IMMUNIZATION> > > > > 4052 Bald Cypress Way - Tallahassee, FL 32399-1719> > > > > (850) 245-4342 - Sun Com 205-4342, Fax 922-4195> > > > > , Bureau Chief> > > > > For questions, please email the bureau at Immunization@> > > > > > > > > > To contact the Miami-Dade County Health Department, please > > > send an> > > > > e-mail to: MDCHD_Feedback@> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

A somewhat less than accurate use of the expression.

By that I meant that autism is not expressly, specifically and without environmental challenge simply "genetic", except in rare instances. It was meant to cut-off the AS/CDC approach that somehow the kids are genetically deficient.

They're not.

The vaccines/vaccine protocol is the problem, not the kids.

If you don't vaccinate, you don't get the problems.

Fix the vaccines/protocol. Or eliminate them.

[sPAM?] Re: CHD in Miami, FL Denying Parents Religious Exemption

"Unfortunately, I'm reading your posts as "backdooring" a genetic rationale for what is otherwise a reckless approach to public health. We just don't believe that crap."Maybe I'm misunderstanding this and prior posts, but I've read a number of posts on this site talk of children having a genetic predisposition to environmental toxins or exposure (don't know if I worded that correctly. In fact, I tend to believe that myself. How else could you possibly explain why only a subset of the entire population that is vaccinated children end up with a spectrum disorder?My point is, a genetic predisposition subsumes a genetic rationale, doesn't it?> > > > >> > > > > Hi Parents!> > > > > > > > > > I got a call from my friend trying to get her sons > religious > > > > exemption> > > > > from vaccines and apparently a County Health Department in > > > Downtown> > > > > Miami is denying parents their right to a religious > > exemption.> > > > > > > > > > My friend was calling from the waiting room of a different > > CHD > > > in> > > > > Miami but overheard parents there complaining that they > had > > to > > > > drive> > > > > across town and have to wait again in hopes that they > would > > > not be> > > > > denied again. > > > > > > > > > > A mother who's son came down with autism at 2 years old > > after > > > his > > > > MMR> > > > > shot shared her frustrations in the waiting room. She was > so > > > angry> > > > > that she was denied exemption. Apparently, the CHD in > > downtown > > > > Miami> > > > > is giving parents a hard time and telling them to go deal > > with > > > > their> > > > > Pediatricians. > > > > > > > > > > My friend was very nervous and I assured her of rights. I > > > quoted > > > > her> > > > > the statutes in the State of Florida. See links below and > > > share > > > > them> > > > > with any parent. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/flwelcome.htm> > > > > http://www.know-vaccines.org/exemptionFAQ.html> > > > > > > > > > As every parent knows, it's hard enough to come to the > > > realization> > > > > that vaccines could be causing this epidemic of > neurological > > > and> > > > > immune disorders but then to try and take time off from > work > > > and > > > > sit> > > > > for hours in a CHD that could give you a hard time and > deny > > > you > > > > your> > > > > right is too much to handle. > > > > > > > > > > As my friend pointed out, "It is so much easier just to go > > the > > > > doctors> > > > > office and give my kids the MMR shot than to go through > this > > > CRAP" > > > > > > > > > > Here is the Information for the Florida Department of > > Health. > > > If > > > > you> > > > > have time and are as angry as I am, contact them and let > > them > > > > know > > > > > that one of their County Health Departments is denying > > parents > > > > their> > > > > rights. Remind them of the right for any parent to get a > > > religious> > > > > exemption and not be forced to vaccinate their child.> > > > > > > > > > BUREAU OF IMMUNIZATION> > > > > 4052 Bald Cypress Way - Tallahassee, FL 32399-1719> > > > > (850) 245-4342 - Sun Com 205-4342, Fax 922-4195> > > > > , Bureau Chief> > > > > For questions, please email the bureau at Immunization@> > > > > > > > > > To contact the Miami-Dade County Health Department, please > > > send an> > > > > e-mail to: MDCHD_Feedback@> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>