Re: NBC news, Flu shot helps fetus

[Guest guest]

Kim, was this on the evening news? Do you have a link to this story?

>

> NBC news - " Flu shot given to pregnant women helps infant. 40% of

> babies developed antibodies to flu when pregnant woman got the

vaccine. "

>

> Excuse me, I need to go vomit up my dinner.

>

> NBC - NBC - NBC!!!!

>

[Guest guest]

It was on the news tonight - either local or national. Probably

national. I can look for a link.

> >

> > NBC news - " Flu shot given to pregnant women helps infant. 40% of

> > babies developed antibodies to flu when pregnant woman got the

> vaccine. "

> >

> > Excuse me, I need to go vomit up my dinner.

> >

> > NBC - NBC - NBC!!!!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Now if they just would have finished with..."And 20% developed autism, followed by 15% for ADHD, 30% a combination of language/speech delay...."

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "krstagliano" <KRStagliano@...>

It was on the news tonight - either local or national. Probably national. I can look for a link.> >> > NBC news - "Flu shot given to pregnant women helps infant. 40% of > > babies developed antibodies to flu when pregnant woman got the > vaccine."> > > > Excuse me, I need to go vomit up my dinner.> > > > NBC - NBC - NBC!!!!> >>

[Guest guest]

Complete Criminal Insanity!! I have read

more posts from Moms who said their entire pregnancy changed once they got the

flu shot, less movement, growth, etc. This is really nauseating.

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shot helps fetus

NBC news - " Flu shot given to pregnant women

helps infant. 40% of

babies developed antibodies to flu when pregnant woman got the vaccine. "

Excuse me, I need to go vomit up my dinner.

NBC - NBC - NBC!!!!

[Guest guest]

Pass the popcorn...

The horror film is on again.

>

> NBC news - " Flu shot given to pregnant women helps infant. 40% of

> babies developed antibodies to flu when pregnant woman got the

vaccine. "

>

> Excuse me, I need to go vomit up my dinner.

>

> NBC - NBC - NBC!!!!

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not going to comment on the insanity of this (just yet), but it does make me wonder whether actually having a bout of the flu will help protect one from future flus. Back in the fall of 1995, I came down with a flu which knocked me off my feet for two solid weeks, and then some. This occurred when I was 8 months pregnant with my daughter. I haven't had any real flus since that time, and neither have any of my kids (despite none of us having flu shots over all these years, i.e., in recent decades). As sick as I felt back then, laying in bed, no-one else in the family caught whatever I had, even though my sons were jumping all over me and my husband slept beside me every night. It makes me wonder how contagious the flu actually is. I also wonder whether my recovering from the flu, while still pregnant, may have helped my daughter develop some antibodies against some flu variants. I never really thought about this, until last week, when a colleague of mine wondered why I had taken a day off work last Thursday. She noted that I had never been off "sick" as long as she had known me over the last 6 years or so. That made me think, and it surprised me too, to realize that even though on some days I had felt like "death warmed over", I was still able to make it to work and function, but I had never felt bad enough to take a day off due to illness. That would not have been possible in the midst of having the real "flu", or whatever I had back in 1995. I wonder if anyone has done any studies to find out whether actually coming down with the flu may people develop antibodies which could help them from catching other flus. Somehow I doubt it, as there is no money to be made for the big money-makers in this situation, should the results show that catching "the flu" might be a good thing

for some. Something to think about,....(seriously, as I am making no attempts at sarcasm here), Aasa krstagliano <KRStagliano@...> wrote: NBC news - "Flu shot given to pregnant women helps infant. 40% of babies developed antibodies to flu when pregnant woman got the vaccine."Excuse me, I need to go vomit up my dinner.NBC - NBC - NBC!!!!

[Guest guest]

If one develops immunity to the flu, the question regarding that immunity will be one of duration of immune response, specificity of that response (e.g., immune response to specific structures on the influenza virus) and whether subsequent immunogenic challenges by influenza exhibit a commonality in structural features to which the immune response is geared. There are a number of strains of influenza and they vary somewhat in structure. If it's similar enough, you may be protected. If not, you won't be.

But if you've got immunity and your immune system is strong and you get enough vitamin D (take cod liver oil and get some sunlight daily- 15-30 minutes?), maintain sufficient intracellular levels of ascorbic acid (vitamin C theory), you're probably in pretty good shape.

Whether you get the flu shot- well, that's your choice.

But if you try to impose a flu shot on me, well, I support Bednarik on that one.

Re: NBC news, Flu shot helps fetus

I'm not going to comment on the insanity of this (just yet), but it does make me wonder whether actually having a bout of the flu will help protect one from future flus.

Back in the fall of 1995, I came down with a flu which knocked me off my feet for two solid weeks, and then some. This occurred when I was 8 months pregnant with my daughter. I haven't had any real flus since that time, and neither have any of my kids (despite none of us having flu shots over all these years, i.e., in recent decades). As sick as I felt back then, laying in bed, no-one else in the family caught whatever I had, even though my sons were jumping all over me and my husband slept beside me every night. It makes me wonder how contagious the flu actually is. I also wonder whether my recovering from the flu, while still pregnant, may have helped my daughter develop some antibodies against some flu variants.

I never really thought about this, until last week, when a colleague of mine wondered why I had taken a day off work last Thursday. She noted that I had never been off "sick" as long as she had known me over the last 6 years or so. That made me think, and it surprised me too, to realize that even though on some days I had felt like "death warmed over", I was still able to make it to work and function, but I had never felt bad enough to take a day off due to illness. That would not have been possible in the midst of having the real "flu", or whatever I had back in 1995.

I wonder if anyone has done any studies to find out whether actually coming down with the flu may people develop antibodies which could help them from catching other flus. Somehow I doubt it, as there is no money to be made for the big money-makers in this situation, should the results show that catching "the flu" might be a good thing for some.

Something to think about,....(seriously, as I am making no attempts at sarcasm here),

Aasa krstagliano <KRStaglianocharter (DOT) net> wrote:

NBC news - "Flu shot given to pregnant women helps infant. 40% of babies developed antibodies to flu when pregnant woman got the vaccine."Excuse me, I need to go vomit up my dinner.NBC - NBC - NBC!!!!

[Guest guest]

Here's a link to the actual study in the Journal of Clinical Investigation: http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/117/6/1637 I wonder whether the women involved in the study (mostly Hispanic) received the thimerosal-containing ot the thimerosal-free versions of Fluzone. I'll paste the label for the current season's FDA label for Fluzone below (although these women likely received the vaccine from the 2005-2006 season, according to dates mentioned in the study). Aasa http://www.fda.gov/cber/label/inflsan071006lb.pdfhcoleman <stratpat@...> wrote: If one develops immunity to the flu, the question regarding that immunity will be one of duration of immune response, specificity of that response (e.g., immune response to specific structures on the influenza virus) and whether subsequent immunogenic challenges by influenza exhibit a commonality in structural features to which the immune response is geared. There are a number of strains of influenza and they vary somewhat in structure. If it's similar enough, you may be protected. If not, you won't be. But if you've got immunity and your immune system is strong and you get enough vitamin

D (take cod liver oil and get some sunlight daily- 15-30 minutes?), maintain sufficient intracellular levels of ascorbic acid (vitamin C theory), you're probably in pretty good shape. Whether you get the flu shot- well, that's your choice. But if you try to impose a flu shot on me, well, I support Bednarik on that one. Re: NBC news, Flu shot helps fetus I'm not going to comment on the insanity of this (just yet), but it does make me wonder whether actually having a bout of the flu will help protect one from future flus. Back in the fall of 1995, I came down with a flu which knocked me off my feet for two solid weeks, and then some. This occurred when I was 8 months pregnant with my daughter. I haven't had any real flus since that time, and neither have any of my kids (despite none of us having flu shots over all these years, i.e.,

in recent decades). As sick as I felt back then, laying in bed, no-one else in the family caught whatever I had, even though my sons were jumping all over me and my husband slept beside me every night. It makes me wonder how contagious the flu actually is. I also wonder whether my recovering from the flu, while still pregnant, may have helped my daughter develop some antibodies against some flu variants. I never really thought about this, until last week, when a colleague of mine wondered why I had taken a day off work last Thursday. She noted that I had never been off "sick" as long as she had known me over the last 6 years or so. That made me think, and it surprised me too, to realize that even though on some days I had felt like "death warmed over", I was still able to make it to work and function, but I had never felt bad enough to take a day off due to illness. That would not have been possible in the midst of having the

real "flu", or whatever I had back in 1995. I wonder if anyone has done any studies to find out whether actually coming down with the flu may people develop antibodies which could help them from catching other flus. Somehow I doubt it, as there is no money to be made for the big money-makers in this situation, should the results show that catching "the flu" might be a good thing for some. Something to think about,....(seriously, as I am making no attempts at sarcasm here), Aasa krstagliano <KRStaglianocharter (DOT) net> wrote: NBC news - "Flu shot given to pregnant women helps infant. 40% of babies developed antibodies to flu when pregnant woman got the vaccine."Excuse me,

I need to go vomit up my dinner.NBC - NBC - NBC!!!!