Re:Autism and the Amish--KIM

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Kim,

How long is it recommended to wait before clamping? This makes sense

to me but I have never heard of it before. Vicki

>

>

> " Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we

> do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen to the

> brain for to long.Modern medicine is a joke. "

>

> I completely agree with you, Tina. The staff

> looked at me like I was a nut when I told them I

> didn't want the cord clamped.

>

> It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen

> through the cord while gestating. If they have

> trouble getting the baby to breath, having the

> cord open could be the difference between an

> interesting birth story and a tragic outcome.

>

> OBs, being surgeons, also love to do surgery, ie

> c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now 30% in

> this country. Anyone who's had a c-section is

> pretty much guaranteed a second if they want

> another child.

>

> My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of the

> children she sees with vestibular and

> proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right) issues

> were c-section babies. Just another way modern

> medicine interferes with a natural process and

> causes a different kind of damage.

>

> Kim

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Hi Vicki,

I can't really remember. There's a group I

used to belong to called ICAN. All to women on

there know ALOT about the birth process. I would

consult them, or research it on the web.

Sorry I'm not being more helpful

Kim

--- vickiwaihi <vickiwaihi@...> wrote:

> Kim,

>

> How long is it recommended to wait before

> clamping? This makes sense

> to me but I have never heard of it before.

> Vicki

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > " Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we

> > do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen to

> the

> > brain for to long.Modern medicine is a joke. "

> >

> > I completely agree with you, Tina. The staff

> > looked at me like I was a nut when I told

> them I

> > didn't want the cord clamped.

> >

> > It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen

> > through the cord while gestating. If they

> have

> > trouble getting the baby to breath, having

> the

> > cord open could be the difference between an

> > interesting birth story and a tragic outcome.

> >

> > OBs, being surgeons, also love to do surgery,

> ie

> > c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now

> 30% in

> > this country. Anyone who's had a c-section

> is

> > pretty much guaranteed a second if they want

> > another child.

> >

> > My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of

> the

> > children she sees with vestibular and

> > proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right)

> issues

> > were c-section babies. Just another way

> modern

> > medicine interferes with a natural process

> and

> > causes a different kind of damage.

> >

> > Kim

> >

> >

> >

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Once the baby is out of the womb, they are breathing on their own. From my experience (3 c-sections by my own decision, all 3 of my babies were over 10 lbs), the docs wait until they hear the baby cry before clamping then cutting the cord. Once the baby has taken a breath and is breathing independently, the oxygen from the cord is insignificant. Only 1 of my 3 children had proprioceptive issues. All 3 were born via c-section. Not an expert on birth issues, from personal experience, I don't have an issue with c-sections. I can only imagine my children would have had more complicated births simply due to their size, had I not decided that I did not even want to attempt vaginal delivery. Somehow I can't imagine pushing 10lbs 13 ozs out of "there"...3 times! OMG. SophiaKim

<delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: Hi Vicki,I can't really remember. There's a group Iused to belong to called ICAN. All to women onthere know ALOT about the birth process. I wouldconsult them, or research it on the web.Sorry I'm not being more helpfulKim --- vickiwaihi <vickiwaihi > wrote:> Kim, > > How long is it recommended to wait before> clamping? This makes sense > to me but

I have never heard of it before. > Vicki> > > > > > > >> > > > "Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we> > do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen to> the> > brain for to long.Modern medicine is a joke."> > > > I completely agree with you, Tina. The staff> > looked at me like I was a nut when I told> them I> > didn't want the cord clamped. > > > > It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen> > through the cord while gestating. If they> have> > trouble getting the baby to breath, having> the> > cord open could be the difference between an> > interesting birth story and a tragic outcome.> > > >

OBs, being surgeons, also love to do surgery,> ie> > c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now> 30% in> > this country. Anyone who's had a c-section> is> > pretty much guaranteed a second if they want> > another child. > > > > My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of> the> > children she sees with vestibular and> > proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right)> issues> > were c-section babies. Just another way> modern> > medicine interferes with a natural process> and> > causes a different kind of damage.> > > > Kim > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________> _____________> > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with> AutoCheck> > in the all-new

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Thank you. That gives me a place to start looking. Vicki

> > >

> > >

> > > " Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we

> > > do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen to

> > the

> > > brain for to long.Modern medicine is a joke. "

> > >

> > > I completely agree with you, Tina. The staff

> > > looked at me like I was a nut when I told

> > them I

> > > didn't want the cord clamped.

> > >

> > > It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen

> > > through the cord while gestating. If they

> > have

> > > trouble getting the baby to breath, having

> > the

> > > cord open could be the difference between an

> > > interesting birth story and a tragic outcome.

> > >

> > > OBs, being surgeons, also love to do surgery,

> > ie

> > > c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now

> > 30% in

> > > this country. Anyone who's had a c-section

> > is

> > > pretty much guaranteed a second if they want

> > > another child.

> > >

> > > My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of

> > the

> > > children she sees with vestibular and

> > > proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right)

> > issues

> > > were c-section babies. Just another way

> > modern

> > > medicine interferes with a natural process

> > and

> > > causes a different kind of damage.

> > >

> > > Kim

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Generally you wait until the cord stops pulsating, this is different

from each woman/child. There are some rituals where you leave the cord

and placenta attached for up to 30 days. But most homebirth midwives

will practice waiting for the cord to stop pulsating, usually 10-30

minutes. My last one was born at home, I think it was around 15

minutes or so before she clamped the cord and cut.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we

> > > > do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen to

> > > the

> > > > brain for to long.Modern medicine is a joke. "

> > > >

> > > > I completely agree with you, Tina. The staff

> > > > looked at me like I was a nut when I told

> > > them I

> > > > didn't want the cord clamped.

> > > >

> > > > It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen

> > > > through the cord while gestating. If they

> > > have

> > > > trouble getting the baby to breath, having

> > > the

> > > > cord open could be the difference between an

> > > > interesting birth story and a tragic outcome.

> > > >

> > > > OBs, being surgeons, also love to do surgery,

> > > ie

> > > > c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now

> > > 30% in

> > > > this country. Anyone who's had a c-section

> > > is

> > > > pretty much guaranteed a second if they want

> > > > another child.

> > > >

> > > > My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of

> > > the

> > > > children she sees with vestibular and

> > > > proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right)

> > > issues

> > > > were c-section babies. Just another way

> > > modern

> > > > medicine interferes with a natural process

> > > and

> > > > causes a different kind of damage.

> > > >

> > > > Kim

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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Sophia Loren and all interested parties,

The cord should not be clamped off until

most of the fetal blood in the placenta

has been transferred to the baby which

takes some time.

When my daughter was boorn, the OB

doctor held her below the level of her

mother until the cord sdtarted to

collapse (indicating that most of

the fetal blood in the placenta had

been transferred to my daughter.

Only then did he clamp the cord and cut

it.

If the OB does not wait until most of

the fetal blood is transferred to the

fetus, the child will be not only

more anemic than " mother nature " intended

but also be deprived of other factors

released into the placenta just after

birth that are intended to help the baby

thrive.

Hopefully, this layman's view (from

a mirror appropriately positioned) of

the near " natural " birthing process

that I observed will be helpful.

(By the way, she was a big-headed

9+ pound baby delivered vaginally.)

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

PS: In general, it is the baby's

head size and the mother's

maximun pelvic opening that

limits the " size " of baby a

woman can deliver vaginally

and not weight per se.

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At 09:59 6/4/07 -0700, Sophia wrote:

>

>Once the baby is out of the womb, they are

>breathing on their own. From my experience

>(3 c-sections by my own decision, all 3 of

>my babies were over 10 lbs), the docs wait

>until they hear the baby cry before clamping

>then cutting the cord. Once the baby has

>taken a breath and is breathing independently,

>the oxygen from the cord is insignificant.

>

> Only 1 of my 3 children had proprioceptive

>issues. All 3 were born via c-section.

>

> Not an expert on birth issues, from personal

>experience, I don't have an issue with c-sections.

>I can only imagine my children would have had

>more complicated births simply due to their size,

>had I not decided that I did not even want to

>attempt vaginal delivery.

>

> Somehow I can't imagine pushing 10lbs 13 ozs out of " there " ...3 times!

> OMG.

>

> Sophia

>

><snip>

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I know that this is OT for this list, so I won't

comment on this anymore. But I just want to say

that all babies don't cry once they're out, and

many doctors do clamp automatically, then they'll

work on helping the baby to breath.

Also, I pushed out a 9+ lb baby. I wasn't big at

that time (5'3 " and under 150).

Some c-sections are necessary, certainly, but I

doubt that they're necessary in 30% of births.

This is a medical issue (as well as ultrasounds

and other interventions) that people should do

thier own research on and not depend on their

doctors, because they may not get accurate

answers.

Instead, they may get answers that are in the

best interest of the doctor and him worrying

about a mal-practice suit, not his patient.

Kim

--- Sophia <sophya_lauren@...>

wrote:

> Once the baby is out of the womb, they are

> breathing on their own. From my experience (3

> c-sections by my own decision, all 3 of my

> babies were over 10 lbs), the docs wait until

> they hear the baby cry before clamping then

> cutting the cord. Once the baby has taken a

> breath and is breathing independently, the

> oxygen from the cord is insignificant.

>

> Only 1 of my 3 children had proprioceptive

> issues. All 3 were born via c-section.

>

> Not an expert on birth issues, from personal

> experience, I don't have an issue with

> c-sections. I can only imagine my children

> would have had more complicated births simply

> due to their size, had I not decided that I did

> not even want to attempt vaginal delivery.

>

> Somehow I can't imagine pushing 10lbs 13 ozs

> out of " there " ...3 times!

> OMG.

>

> Sophia

>

> Kim <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote:

> Hi Vicki,

>

> I can't really remember. There's a group

> I

> used to belong to called ICAN. All to women on

> there know ALOT about the birth process. I

> would

> consult them, or research it on the web.

>

> Sorry I'm not being more helpful

>

> Kim

> --- vickiwaihi <vickiwaihi@...> wrote:

>

> > Kim,

> >

> > How long is it recommended to wait before

> > clamping? This makes sense

> > to me but I have never heard of it before.

> > Vicki

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we

> > > do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen

> to

> > the

> > > brain for to long.Modern medicine is a

> joke. "

> > >

> > > I completely agree with you, Tina. The

> staff

> > > looked at me like I was a nut when I told

> > them I

> > > didn't want the cord clamped.

> > >

> > > It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen

> > > through the cord while gestating. If they

> > have

> > > trouble getting the baby to breath, having

> > the

> > > cord open could be the difference between

> an

> > > interesting birth story and a tragic

> outcome.

> > >

> > > OBs, being surgeons, also love to do

> surgery,

> > ie

> > > c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now

> > 30% in

> > > this country. Anyone who's had a c-section

> > is

> > > pretty much guaranteed a second if they

> want

> > > another child.

> > >

> > > My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of

> > the

> > > children she sees with vestibular and

> > > proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right)

> > issues

> > > were c-section babies. Just another way

> > modern

> > > medicine interferes with a natural process

> > and

> > > causes a different kind of damage.

> > >

> > > Kim

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Hi Vicki,

I'm not Kim and I am sure she will answer also, but it when the cord stops

pulsating. The

past 20 years, that practice stopped and they cut the cord rather quickly. Much

of this is

due to doctor's schedules which are overcrowded. They want to " finish up " and

get to the

next patient.

Col

> >

> >

> > " Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we

> > do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen to the

> > brain for to long.Modern medicine is a joke. "

> >

> > I completely agree with you, Tina. The staff

> > looked at me like I was a nut when I told them I

> > didn't want the cord clamped.

> >

> > It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen

> > through the cord while gestating. If they have

> > trouble getting the baby to breath, having the

> > cord open could be the difference between an

> > interesting birth story and a tragic outcome.

> >

> > OBs, being surgeons, also love to do surgery, ie

> > c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now 30% in

> > this country. Anyone who's had a c-section is

> > pretty much guaranteed a second if they want

> > another child.

> >

> > My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of the

> > children she sees with vestibular and

> > proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right) issues

> > were c-section babies. Just another way modern

> > medicine interferes with a natural process and

> > causes a different kind of damage.

> >

> > Kim

> >

> >

> >

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>

> PS: In general, it is the baby's

> head size and the mother's

> maximun pelvic opening that

> limits the " size " of baby a

> woman can deliver vaginally

> and not weight per se.

>

>

That may be true...but for any woman, only one word comes to mind when we hear a

high

weight number...OUCH!!!!!

he he

Col

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Kim,

I don't think it is off topic. It is a potential factor that needs to be looked

at as a possible

contributing factor in autism and other developmental disabilities in some kids.

Col

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we

> > > > do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen

> > to

> > > the

> > > > brain for to long.Modern medicine is a

> > joke. "

> > > >

> > > > I completely agree with you, Tina. The

> > staff

> > > > looked at me like I was a nut when I told

> > > them I

> > > > didn't want the cord clamped.

> > > >

> > > > It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen

> > > > through the cord while gestating. If they

> > > have

> > > > trouble getting the baby to breath, having

> > > the

> > > > cord open could be the difference between

> > an

> > > > interesting birth story and a tragic

> > outcome.

> > > >

> > > > OBs, being surgeons, also love to do

> > surgery,

> > > ie

> > > > c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now

> > > 30% in

> > > > this country. Anyone who's had a c-section

> > > is

> > > > pretty much guaranteed a second if they

> > want

> > > > another child.

> > > >

> > > > My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of

> > > the

> > > > children she sees with vestibular and

> > > > proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right)

> > > issues

> > > > were c-section babies. Just another way

> > > modern

> > > > medicine interferes with a natural process

> > > and

> > > > causes a different kind of damage.

> > > >

> > > > Kim

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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I agree with you on that, Col, believe lack of oxygen or glucose during

or around birth definitely raises the threshold of vulnerability in our

kids. It is also linked to suceptibility to neurodegeneartive disorders.

Also very interesting is the effect of hypoxia on the immune system

http://www.autismcalciumchannelopathy.com/Hypoxia_Ischemia.html

Natasa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " Also they don`t do cord clamping,like we

> > > > > do,which can deprive the baby with oxygen

> > > to

> > > > the

> > > > > brain for to long.Modern medicine is a

> > > joke. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I completely agree with you, Tina. The

> > > staff

> > > > > looked at me like I was a nut when I told

> > > > them I

> > > > > didn't want the cord clamped.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's so simple though. Your baby get oxygen

> > > > > through the cord while gestating. If they

> > > > have

> > > > > trouble getting the baby to breath, having

> > > > the

> > > > > cord open could be the difference between

> > > an

> > > > > interesting birth story and a tragic

> > > outcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > OBs, being surgeons, also love to do

> > > surgery,

> > > > ie

> > > > > c-sections. The rate of c-sections is now

> > > > 30% in

> > > > > this country. Anyone who's had a c-section

> > > > is

> > > > > pretty much guaranteed a second if they

> > > want

> > > > > another child.

> > > > >

> > > > > My son's OT/SIS mentioned to me that 90% of

> > > > the

> > > > > children she sees with vestibular and

> > > > > proprioceptic (hope I spelled that right)

> > > > issues

> > > > > were c-section babies. Just another way

> > > > modern

> > > > > medicine interferes with a natural process

> > > > and

> > > > > causes a different kind of damage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kim

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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I can attest to this. I had a 6lbs 5oz baby- 3lbs of that head, me thinks. People hear the size and think no big deal, but his head size was that of a 9 or 10 pounder.

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Mine had a 21inch head, 7#2oz baby.

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> I can attest to this. I had a 6lbs 5oz baby- 3lbs of that head, me

thinks. People hear the size and think no big deal, but his head size

was that of a 9 or 10 pounder.

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