Emotions

[Guest guest]

At 06:42 AM 11/12/00 -0600, 120156 wrote:

>My son has worked on emotions for quite some time (three years) at school.

>Our consultant felt we should wait because she didn't feel he was " there "

>yet. we have tried anyway since it was being worked on at school. He cannot

>identify emotions in pictures of others or can he express how he feels. Any

>feedback would be really appreciated.

>

>Also, he is having trouble with gender. He can identify a man and a woman

>but cannot accurately discriminate a girl from a boy. Help.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Chantelle

>120156@...

>

Isaac just does basic emotions so far, but does very well with HAPPY, SAD,

MAD and is starting to get SURPRISED. One day, he said, TIRED about a weary

looking person and has never said the word before or since to my knowledge.

He has an easier time as always with pictures that stay static.

He is even fairly good about identifying television actor/actresses

emotions, always spontaneously. If we ask, he looks confused. However, he

is correct.

A person will be dancing along and looking very cheerful and Ize will say,

HAPPY and jump up. Somebody will be weeping and throw themselves on the

bed, SAD, and so forth.

The gender thing is still emerging and I haven't paid a lot of attention to

it. The problem is I don't want to have to have rules like long or short

hair. We live in the Boston area, and also his father had pretty long hair

when he was little and so did Isaac when he was at the I WILL DIE BEFORE

THOSE SCISSORS TOUCH MY HEAD stage. That was a long while ago. He has

regular boy type hair now. Dresses won't help. Most girls are not in

dresses on a daily basis, and again other clothing cues only help so much.

Granted woman rarely wear true suits and ties outside of Vogue magazine,

but little boys are not in suits much. We have tried initally to pick

pictures of girls who are more traditionally girl looking according to

sexist mores. LOL

And boys who have things like footballs in their hands. By the way this is

a deep dark secret from my feminist daughter, so SHHHH.

Isaac is pretty good at knowing the pictures and learns the gender by rote

really if we teach it per person. I don't think he really understands

still. He doesn't show any interest in the actual issue, although he

clearly flirts with his female therapists more than the male ones. (He is

thirteen. Has a crush on a twelve year old sister of one of his male

therapists.)

I don't want to start putting naked people pictures out because we'd all be

red faced and not very neutral when we gave the SD. " Where's the naked

lady? " or,

" Can you show me the man? " We would hardly dare to use adjectives like

little or big. How embarrassing. ;-)

Seriuosly though, I think we may look for some very nicely done books on

the body with gentle amounts of nudity that are made for children, some are

tasteful and very discrete, yet you can see they look different. In our

case, I want it to be very low key, since he's a young adolescent. For a

little child it is less difficult. Curiousity is on another level.

What I would do is take pictures, polaroid so he can see right away

pictures of people in bathing suits or maybe pajamas, night gowns versus

boy Pajamas. Boys can be shirtless and the girls aren't. That would help

with gender. You could cover family first and then maybe ask the therapists

to wear something a bit more gender specific. Skirt with nylons and maybe a

rugged sweater for a guy or a man if you have no male therapists and many

do not. With emotions, taking pictures of an occasion and printing them out

can help. Pictures of people laughing and showing them right after,

identifying happy feelings, and what made them happy. Showing anger, you

could have the people make really MAD faces but some kids get alarmed and

you could then pause your VCR and take pictures of video clips of angry

charactors or sad charactors. Comment alot when watching those. You know

like in Aladdin when the monkey bites Jafar's wrist and Aladdin and all

fall. Jafar looks MAD. At some point, Jasmine cries. She is SAD. When the

genie gets wished free, he looks very HAPPY. Try those types of things.

Jennie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/21/2002 12:48:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

alicat1976@... writes:

> Do others find that they cry much easier and more frequent since

> getting PA than before?

Absolutely Ali - and at the dumbest stuff too - TV commercials!, movies,

emails!, etc. - it's ridiculous sometimes. And of course sometimes at

stressful stuff at work that I could always handle before, but I most manage

to save that up until I get home.

It's the PA - I have no doubt.

[Guest guest]

Have you considered depression. I had depression long before P and PA, so I

don't know if your condition would cause depression. Certainly this has

been a life-changing experience. That alone is enough to trigger an episode

of depression. The fatigue can be a symptom of either disease--or in my

case, both. If you do choose an antidepressant medication, keep trying until

you find one that has tolerable side effects and works well. There are many

out there. I tried three before I found one that worked. then is didn't

work after I had a baby. I am on Paxil now and doing very well.

Ks Di

[ ] Emotions

Do others find that they cry much easier and more frequent since

getting PA than before? Some days the littlest thing will set me off

whereas before I considered myself a very strong person that would

not cry at anything at least not in front of other people. I find it

harder to keep face these days. I get upset easy and find it hard if

not impossible to control it. Course I also find that the more

emotional I am the more fatigued I am that day too. I just don't

feel like myself anymore. thanks for all replies. take care.

hugs,

ali

[Guest guest]

I'm just the opposite. I can't cry. Maybe I have shoved everytjing deep inside

myself do I can just get by day to day. If I cry, I may never stop...

Teri

jrnytthpst <alicat1976@...> wrote: Do others find that they cry much

easier and more frequent since

getting PA than before? Some days the littlest thing will set me off

whereas before I considered myself a very strong person that would

not cry at anything at least not in front of other people. I find it

harder to keep face these days. I get upset easy and find it hard if

not impossible to control it. Course I also find that the more

emotional I am the more fatigued I am that day too. I just don't

feel like myself anymore. thanks for all replies. take care.

hugs,

ali

[Guest guest]

Ali,I have read your letter a number of times so far

and I can relate to it very muchI am also a very

strong person to,I always have been.But when the PA

hit me something changed,I have had a hard time coping

with everyday things in my life,I did not like what

was happening to me and to my body,I could not deal

with day to day,I was scared cause this was all new to

me,I wanted some answera to it all but most of all for

someone to take it all away,I wanted my oldself back,I

talked to my doctors they gave me the answera I was

looking for to an extant,The taking away part I know

they can not do,I found also I have depression on top

of it all and I am on medication for that also along

with my arthritis medication.Also this web site has

helped me a great deal to.I am taking one day at a

time now.I found if I take a bit at a time that I have

to deal with I handle that fisrt and then I can move

on to the next.Hope this has helped you in some

way.You are still you and strong as your always where

you just need to adjust a little that is all Take care

--- jrnytthpst <alicat1976@...> wrote:

> Do others find that they cry much easier and more

> frequent since

> getting PA than before? Some days the littlest

> thing will set me off

> whereas before I considered myself a very strong

> person that would

> not cry at anything at least not in front of other

> people. I find it

> harder to keep face these days. I get upset easy

> and find it hard if

> not impossible to control it. Course I also find

> that the more

> emotional I am the more fatigued I am that day too.

> I just don't

> feel like myself anymore. thanks for all replies.

> take care.

> hugs,

> ali

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I don 't find depression making me more apt to cry

than the PA. I have other reactions to the

depression. (I've been so depressed for so long that

I've gotten quite used to it and accept it as the

norm. In fact, I've become quite expert at hiding it.

But it's not my intention to throw out my Prozac.

That's the only thing that's worked for more than 6

months.)

Only two things really set off my crying jags. One,

it's a sign that I'm really tired and should stop

rebelling against the world and get to bed before 3AM,

especially on a work night. Two, it's time to see my

doctor and get my thyroid medication adjusted. When

my synthroid dosage needs to be tweaked, I'm a mess!

The rest of the time, I'm just my usual, normal mess.

Dianne in Boston

=====

Everyone has a right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

You don't have depression " on top of it all. " You have depression because

of it. Depression can be caused by a life-altering situation or by chronic

pain. We have both. Depression is the part that might be easiest to

control. When that is controlled, then we can concentrate on dealing with

the condition of PA. Anyone who experiences anxiety, fatigue, irritability,

sadness, avoids social situations, or any other different behavior as a

result of P or PA should ask their doctors about the possibility of

depression. It is the one factor that can really make a difference and is

easily (sometimes) treated. I would also advise people to find the right

antidepressant. There are so many types. If one doesn't work or has side

effects, try another.

Ks Di

Re: [ ] Emotions

Ali,I have read your letter a number of times so far

and I can relate to it very muchI am also a very

strong person to,I always have been.But when the PA

hit me something changed,I have had a hard time coping

with everyday things in my life,I did not like what

was happening to me and to my body,I could not deal

with day to day,I was scared cause this was all new to

me,I wanted some answera to it all but most of all for

someone to take it all away,I wanted my oldself back,I

talked to my doctors they gave me the answera I was

looking for to an extant,The taking away part I know

they can not do,I found also I have depression on top

of it all and I am on medication for that also along

with my arthritis medication.Also this web site has

helped me a great deal to.I am taking one day at a

time now.I found if I take a bit at a time that I have

to deal with I handle that fisrt and then I can move

on to the next.Hope this has helped you in some

way.You are still you and strong as your always where

you just need to adjust a little that is all Take care

--- jrnytthpst <alicat1976@...> wrote:

> Do others find that they cry much easier and more

> frequent since

> getting PA than before? Some days the littlest

> thing will set me off

> whereas before I considered myself a very strong

> person that would

> not cry at anything at least not in front of other

> people. I find it

> harder to keep face these days. I get upset easy

> and find it hard if

> not impossible to control it. Course I also find

> that the more

> emotional I am the more fatigued I am that day too.

> I just don't

> feel like myself anymore. thanks for all replies.

> take care.

> hugs,

> ali

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Ali,

this sounds like depression to me.

Depression is a symptom of PA.

Of course with all that pain wouldn't anybody be depressed and

fatigued?

It's a natural combination.

You can ask your doctor for an antidepressant.

The SSRIs work wonderfully for me.

I take 40 mg of Paxil each evening to keep the tears away.

Helps with panic attacks also.

Take care,

Jeani

> Do others find that they cry much easier and more frequent

since

> getting PA than before? Some days the littlest thing will set me

off

> whereas before I considered myself a very strong person that

would

> not cry at anything at least not in front of other people. I find it

> harder to keep face these days. I get upset easy and find it

hard if

> not impossible to control it. Course I also find that the more

> emotional I am the more fatigued I am that day too. I just don't

> feel like myself anymore. thanks for all replies. take care.

> hugs,

> ali

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Re: Emotions

Actually getting away from the diagnosis of bipolar disorder would be a hard

one -- would be a hard one -- as I was dx with this when I was 19 years old --

there have been other occasions where I have told them over the years that I

felt it was not this.

Do you have a link that I could go to -- to read this article of Abe Hoffer's

article that you make mention of below?

Thanks,

Charmaine

Hi Charmaine,

Have you read Abe Hoffer's work on orthomolecular medicine? Most of his

research seems to be for persons wth schizophrenia but bipolar is mentioned here

and there as benefiting from his treatment. Be careful with the diagnosis (get a

second, third or fourth opinion). Bipolar has become a catchall somewhat

similar to ADHD. There are many things people have done to help change brain

chemicals that involve nutrition and building up the body but it does require

being responsible for your own health.

I'm pleased your doc insists on getting your thyroid up to speed before

messing around with other kinds of chemicals---but what in the body is not

funcitioning properly and why when the thyroid goes haywire? I've been reading

this list quite some time and no one ever sems to address the underlying cause

of thyroid malfunction. Why does it not produce or process adequate T3 or T4 or

whatever?

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Thanks for all of that you have provided below.

Charmaine

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[Guest guest]

Anyone notice a change in thier emotions since being on LDN. I read

that poeple with MS sometimes would have crying outburst by just

watching something on TV. I never thought I had that, but it seems

now nothing affects me. The mess in the Indian Ocean, watching a sad

movie, watched 's song the other night, hereing about our

soldies being killed in Iraq, ny Carson dieing. Before this would

have brought tears to my eyes, now I have no reaction. In fact my

mother has been in a nursing home for the last 4 weeks do to being

sick, 4 mouths ago it would have sent me into a tissy, Now, I'm fine,

no reaction. Just a thought if anyone else noticed any changes.

Been on LDN since October, 2004.

ADJ

[Guest guest]

ADG

Now that you have mentioned this I am being the same way. I do get a little teary at times but not like I used to be. I would have never gone and thought about this if you would not have brought it up.

Thanks for the info

Love and hugs,

CJ

[Guest guest]

>

> Anyone notice a change in thier emotions since being on LDN.

Boy, this got me to thinking! The past 3 1/2 years have been such

an emotional roller coaster for us. But now that you have mentioned

this, my son does seem to be able to mask his emotions more than

before. I'm not sure what to attribute this to, though. He was so

depressed on Rebif, and with that hormonal teenage thing going on,

he had some really bad days. Now, with LDN, we still have the

raging hormones, but very few bad days. Actually, never a bad day,

maybe just a " bad minute or two " . That smile plastered on his face

is worth it all to me. So I would have to agree with what

said...I find him overall more cheerful, but I'm not sure where it's

coming from! He doesn't sweat the little things like he did. We

all have alot less tears in our lives since LDN, our whole family.

Kim

[Guest guest]

I am new to the group, just started the LDN. Had a question re: your son. He is a male teenager with MS??? Isn't this very uncommon? Has he been checked for lyme? I have lyme (30yrs) that triggered the MS symptoms. Even after 5yrs of oral/iv antibiotics I still have damage. But your son is still young enough to be "saved" from the lyme damage. Please look into this. If you have questions re: the lyme testing (only use Igenex Labs, western blot,PCR test) email me at lucher@... I just started a lyme support group in Houston, Tx and have another "MSer" in the group. She is very damaged from the "MS" drugs (CRABS)

petessweetheart <petessweetheart@...> wrote:

> > Anyone notice a change in thier emotions since being on LDN. Boy, this got me to thinking! The past 3 1/2 years have been such an emotional roller coaster for us. But now that you have mentioned this, my son does seem to be able to mask his emotions more than before. I'm not sure what to attribute this to, though. He was so depressed on Rebif, and with that hormonal teenage thing going on, he had some really bad days. Now, with LDN, we still have the raging hormones, but very few bad days. Actually, never a bad day, maybe just a "bad minute or two". That smile plastered on his face is worth it all to me. So I would have to agree with what said...I find him overall more cheerful, but

I'm not sure where it's coming from! He doesn't sweat the little things like he did. We all have alot less tears in our lives since LDN, our whole family. Kim

[Guest guest]

Anita,

I am currently experiencing the emotional lows right now, I get angry for no

reason, I cry at the drop of a hat and then I am ok, also I am very

nostalgic now too. How long did this last for you? I have been dealing with

these feelings for almost two months now and it certainly is a wacky ride!!!

The wierdest part is that I can't explain it to my family and friends, they

just don't get it! I guess that is the hallmark of support groups huh? I

look forward to the euphoric highs you are currently experiencing.

Shirley

>From: " Anita P. Wagner " <anita_priscilla@...>

>Also, I got these strange emotional, weary, angry feelings there for a

>short while and it was >uncharacteristic of me but it was as if buried

>emotions came out to the surface somehow. I am >not sure how to explain

>this. Anyhow, my point is that this passed and lately I have some sort of

> >strange euphoric " high " that rises and then levels out. It is really

>nice and I had never considered >myself a depressed person but I feel

>extreme happiness like I don't remember feeling before at >times now. I

>have to say, this has been a very weird ride!

>

>I know " hang in there " doesn't help too much when you're in the middle of

>feeling lousy, but please do and let us know how you are very soon.

>

>~Anita

[Guest guest]

Hi Shirley -

It lasted for me off and on for about 6+ weeks. I understand the anger very well

as I suddenly became very angry for things happened in the past just out of the

blue. Hang in there though, if you are true to the diet and you have love and

support in your life, feelings of happiness should be around the corner.

I am sure hormones have a lot to do with all of this. I am on thyroid hormone

and since beginning this program have decreased my daily amount, yet feel no

depression on the decreases. I am guessing more hormone is getting into my

cells, more evening out is happening overall.

Are you also one of the ones with an erratic menstrual period we discussed about

a month back? Mine have been for sure in the past few months. Am curious to

see what happens with my next one.

Here's to you - I hope your emotions go from lows to high really soon and then

your family and friends will definitely notice. Do what you need to take care

of yourself in the meantime, be it quiet time, prayer, walking exercise (if you

can), a hobby. I like to create home projects for myself (since I am not

working currently) and then feel accomplishment from them and it helps me take

my mind off daily health and emotional struggles too.

~Anita

Shirley G <chickwbrains@...> wrote: Anita,

I am currently experiencing the emotional lows right now, I get angry for no

reason, I cry at the drop of a hat and then I am ok, also I am very

nostalgic now too. How long did this last for you? I have been dealing with

these feelings for almost two months now and it certainly is a wacky ride!!!

The wierdest part is that I can't explain it to my family and friends, they

just don't get it! I guess that is the hallmark of support groups huh? I

look forward to the euphoric highs you are currently experiencing.

Shirley

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[Guest guest]

Anita wrote:

> It lasted for me off and on for about 6+ weeks. I understand the

anger very well as I suddenly became very angry for things happened in

the past just out of the blue. Hang in there though, if you are true

to the diet and you have love and support in your life, feelings of

happiness should be around the corner.

Hi Anita & Shirley, Im still on the down lows too, however, I have cut

back on the amount of VCO I was taking, because quite possibly Im

trying to do too much too fast. But yeah, Im cranky, very irritable

and my patience or tolerance is really low. Im hoping to feel a

little more energy, (Ive started on the Vit B supplements today, and

iron cos my iron is low)I know when I exercise that makes a heck of a

difference to my moods, so Im gonna force myself to do something

tomorrow maybe just a nice walk in the sun.

ciao Kat

[Guest guest]

I too am having a great of difficulty in dealing with emotions. At times I just

wish I can snap out of it.

Time will tell.

Good luck to you all we can beat this monster.

Maddalena

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita,

Yes, I am one of the many with wacked out hormones, I haven't had my period

since Jan. Not that I mind ;+) I am saving lots of $$ on products.

Thank you for the encouraging words, it is so helpful to be able to share

our progress reports with others in order to encourage. I know I am on my

way to a healthier life but the support in this group is what sustains me on

this very frustrating diet. How long have you been on the program?

I agree that hobbies are important too, I have been remiss in that dept by

getting caught up in school and work. I have neglected myself and it started

to show. Continued progress to you and others as well.

Shirley

>From: " Anita P. Wagner " <anita_priscilla@...>

>Are you also one of the ones with an erratic menstrual period we discussed

>about a month back? >Mine have been for sure in the past few months. Am

>curious to see what happens with my next >one.

>

>Here's to you - I hope your emotions go from lows to high really soon and

>then your family and >friends will definitely notice. Do what you need to

>take care of yourself in the meantime, be it >quiet time, prayer, walking

>exercise (if you can), a hobby. I like to create home projects for >myself

>(since I am not working currently) and then feel accomplishment from them

>and it helps me >take my mind off daily health and emotional struggles too.

>

>~Anita

[Guest guest]

>

> I too am having a great of difficulty in dealing with emotions. At

times I just wish I can snap out of it.

> Time will tell.

>

> Good luck to you all we can beat this monster.

==>Hi Maddelena and others who are having problems dealing with

emotions. It might help if I tell you what I did to deal with my

emotions when I was curing my candida in the mid 1980s, as follows:

1) I kept a journal of what I was eating and the supplements I took,

along with changes in my symptoms (to the bad or good).

2) I gave myself points for each thing that needed to be done to get

healthy:

- 5 points for every block I walked

- 20 points for taking all of my supplements (if I took less I

deducted points)

- 10 points for each complete meal (maximum 3 per day)

- points for communicating with others; 10 points for visits, 5

points for phone calls in and out; 10 points for letters in and out;

10 points for going out with someone (for lunch, to a movie, to an

event)

- 50 points for doing an enema once a week

- 20 points for each epsom salts bath

- 20 points for writing down all my negative feelings

This system kept me focused and it encouraged me to DO the things

which helped me the most.

I hope that helps.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Do you know of a good way to deal with emotions?

--- " Dr. Loretta Lanphier "

[Guest guest]

There are many ways to deal with toxic emotions and negative feelings.

However, one must be willing to do what it takes to deal with anger,

negativity, past hurts, fear, etc. Realizing that this needs to be down in

order to heal completely is a HUGE step toward wellness.

EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) - it is best to find a practitioner and

allow them to do some sessions with you and then teach you how to do it own

your own.

Healing Codes

Holosync

Meditation

Yoga & Pilates

German New Medicine

Listening to good music (The Mozart Effect)

Reading scripture

Reading motivational books (Tony Robbins, Jim Rohn, Maxwell, Zig

Zigler, etc.)

Talking to a counselor, pastor or trusted friend

Energy work

Cleansing and detoxification can actually help to cleanse out old emotions.

Books that I always recommend:

Feelings Buried Alive Never Die - Karol K. Truman (read this one first)

Healing Feelings From Your Heart - Karol K. Truman

The Healing Power of a Christian Mind - Dr. Backus

Telling Yourself The Truth - Dr. Backus

You Can Heal Your Life - Louise Hay

Be Well~

Loretta