Guest guest Posted May 22, 2001 Report Share Posted May 22, 2001 Hi , There are so many variables with these kids that it is hard to know exactly will work for him. There just isn't a blanket answer. A couple of things I would like to mention...one is that behavior tends to be cyclical in ; 2) medication is taylored to the child. has taken huge doses of meds that haven't even affected him (or that have had the opposite of the desired effect)...it has to do with metabolism. 3) Yes, I have removed from school for periods of time to give him " space " . Sometimes it has worked really well; others it has not. It depends on the antecedent for the behavior....medical? environmental? too much stimulation? bored? I also remember pitching things across the room that he was sick to death of doing and that a teacher insisted that he do. also dislikes (in a big way) hand over hand. He has had aggressive behavior in response to being forced to do something hand over hand that he really didn't want to do. When you think about it, what other way does he have to show you that he doesn't want to do it? A typical kid will tell you NO...but he can't. So he gets " physical " . Not appropriate, but understandable. Sorry I don't have any easy answers. You are in my prayers. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2001 Report Share Posted May 22, 2001 Hi , There are so many variables with these kids that it is hard to know exactly will work for him. There just isn't a blanket answer. A couple of things I would like to mention...one is that behavior tends to be cyclical in ; 2) medication is taylored to the child. has taken huge doses of meds that haven't even affected him (or that have had the opposite of the desired effect)...it has to do with metabolism. 3) Yes, I have removed from school for periods of time to give him " space " . Sometimes it has worked really well; others it has not. It depends on the antecedent for the behavior....medical? environmental? too much stimulation? bored? I also remember pitching things across the room that he was sick to death of doing and that a teacher insisted that he do. also dislikes (in a big way) hand over hand. He has had aggressive behavior in response to being forced to do something hand over hand that he really didn't want to do. When you think about it, what other way does he have to show you that he doesn't want to do it? A typical kid will tell you NO...but he can't. So he gets " physical " . Not appropriate, but understandable. Sorry I don't have any easy answers. You are in my prayers. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2001 Report Share Posted May 22, 2001 At 06:12 PM 5/22/01 -0500, you wrote: > has anyone here ever took their child out of a school enviroment and opteed for a differant type of setting, differant type of cirriculum... and seen an improvement in behaviors? The MOST I would do at this point in the game is take time off and keep my child home with the intent of connecting. The only way to know what might be going on is to be very connected...something only parents can do in my opinion. From a school standpoint, I have to echo everyone else: where are the beahvior folks? Who is looking over months of data to look for trends? Who is observing his interactions with outhers, what others are doing, and where the triggers are? HIs behavior doesn't come out of a vaccuum. and until the root of the problem is addressed, even minimally, things won't get better. Medicating him does not take away what is distressing him---and it's very very unlikely that it is manipulative or harmful in intent. It could be what he *hears* or *sees* from his perspective (which is different than ours) that can be a probblem. He could *feel* like you all are out to get him and he wants you all to go away---because you're making demands, or maybe it's someone's perfume! Or maybe it's the kid sitting next to him. It' hard to know without an outsider doing multiple day, multiple hour observations. It's a lot of work to figure out kids when they're in crisis. He's telling you something--- you gotta find out what hte message is. What's he like at home? What do his parents think? j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2001 Report Share Posted May 22, 2001 At 06:12 PM 5/22/01 -0500, you wrote: > has anyone here ever took their child out of a school enviroment and opteed for a differant type of setting, differant type of cirriculum... and seen an improvement in behaviors? The MOST I would do at this point in the game is take time off and keep my child home with the intent of connecting. The only way to know what might be going on is to be very connected...something only parents can do in my opinion. From a school standpoint, I have to echo everyone else: where are the beahvior folks? Who is looking over months of data to look for trends? Who is observing his interactions with outhers, what others are doing, and where the triggers are? HIs behavior doesn't come out of a vaccuum. and until the root of the problem is addressed, even minimally, things won't get better. Medicating him does not take away what is distressing him---and it's very very unlikely that it is manipulative or harmful in intent. It could be what he *hears* or *sees* from his perspective (which is different than ours) that can be a probblem. He could *feel* like you all are out to get him and he wants you all to go away---because you're making demands, or maybe it's someone's perfume! Or maybe it's the kid sitting next to him. It' hard to know without an outsider doing multiple day, multiple hour observations. It's a lot of work to figure out kids when they're in crisis. He's telling you something--- you gotta find out what hte message is. What's he like at home? What do his parents think? j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2001 Report Share Posted May 23, 2001 we have kept nathan home and he has been sent home too a time or two, when he is very aggressive or very upset lots of crying, and most of the time it has helped to take a day or two off to just let him relax and stim if he wants to or watch a video etc, not make any demands of him. I think its cyclic too, kinda of like grils and pms i think boys must have a hormone fluctuation too at different times of the month or every so many months. And taking meds on top of everything in order for behavior management to be possible really makes ones up and downs rather extreme at times. shawna. --- Lee <texasbluebonnets@...> wrote: > Todaay went a little better for my student. > He is now taking Clonidine 1 teaspoon in the > mornings, they have added 1/2 teaspoon at noon, > then another 3/4 teaspoon at night. Our school > nurse is concerned, she says that's a larger dose > then the 4th graders who take this med take. > > The teacher today said she would take over being > one on one with him for the last few days of > school, mainly I think to protect me from getting > hurt anymore. I could just tell in his whole body > this morning that he seems so angry. I wish I could > just know what is wrong. But I don't even know if > he knows what's wrong. > > he still continued to stemm all day today, he was > hitting the teacher again today during speech. His > speech teacher has requested a para be with her > because she does not want to be alone with him > anymore. He becomes agressive with her as well. > > They were using a tube which you pull apart then > push back together again this morning, I can't think > what they are called.... he would pull it out, but > wouldn't push it back in....... so the teacher tried > to do hand over hand, and that's when he began > hitting her. He used to really hate hand over > hand,.... but in the past few monthes, had begun to > let us do it. I was so hoping we had gotten over > that hate of hand over hand, although I do want > him to do it on his own... and I really encourage > him to do it.. sometimes I would really like to > help giude him hand over hand so he doesnt learn > something the wrong way. but it seems as though for > whatever reason we are going back to that not > liking it. > > he was not agressive other then that today, but > ..... I did not enteract with him much, other then > to really praise him when he was doing something > ..... the teacher stayed pretty much on top of > him. and as far as expectations... there weren't > any today. it was just a blow off day as far as work > goes,s o the teacher says she thinks that's why he > had an ok day. that he wasnt being asked to do > anything. I don't know. It's hard not to take it > personally for me right now. > > I can't help but wonder though, with all this med... > that if there were some other placement, say for > instance, a school where he could just be taught > home skills, how to care for himself, or taught a > skill life skills if hiis behaviors wouldn't > decrease, then maybe he wouldn't need to be > medicated. I can't help but wonder if we aren't > hurting him more then helping him. > > I know they say brain wise that when they get into > that fight or flight mode, ot kills brain cells. > so, are we doing more harm? > > has anyone here ever took their child out of a > school enviroment and opteed for a differant type of > setting, differant type of cirriculum... and seen an > improvement in behaviors? > > > cindy > > PS > thanks for letting me process with youa ll > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Checkout our homepage for information, > bookmarks, and photos of our kids. Share favorite > bookmarks, ideas, and other information by including > them. Don't forget, messages are a permanent record > of the archives for our list. > > -------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2001 Report Share Posted May 23, 2001 we have kept nathan home and he has been sent home too a time or two, when he is very aggressive or very upset lots of crying, and most of the time it has helped to take a day or two off to just let him relax and stim if he wants to or watch a video etc, not make any demands of him. I think its cyclic too, kinda of like grils and pms i think boys must have a hormone fluctuation too at different times of the month or every so many months. And taking meds on top of everything in order for behavior management to be possible really makes ones up and downs rather extreme at times. shawna. --- Lee <texasbluebonnets@...> wrote: > Todaay went a little better for my student. > He is now taking Clonidine 1 teaspoon in the > mornings, they have added 1/2 teaspoon at noon, > then another 3/4 teaspoon at night. Our school > nurse is concerned, she says that's a larger dose > then the 4th graders who take this med take. > > The teacher today said she would take over being > one on one with him for the last few days of > school, mainly I think to protect me from getting > hurt anymore. I could just tell in his whole body > this morning that he seems so angry. I wish I could > just know what is wrong. But I don't even know if > he knows what's wrong. > > he still continued to stemm all day today, he was > hitting the teacher again today during speech. His > speech teacher has requested a para be with her > because she does not want to be alone with him > anymore. He becomes agressive with her as well. > > They were using a tube which you pull apart then > push back together again this morning, I can't think > what they are called.... he would pull it out, but > wouldn't push it back in....... so the teacher tried > to do hand over hand, and that's when he began > hitting her. He used to really hate hand over > hand,.... but in the past few monthes, had begun to > let us do it. I was so hoping we had gotten over > that hate of hand over hand, although I do want > him to do it on his own... and I really encourage > him to do it.. sometimes I would really like to > help giude him hand over hand so he doesnt learn > something the wrong way. but it seems as though for > whatever reason we are going back to that not > liking it. > > he was not agressive other then that today, but > ..... I did not enteract with him much, other then > to really praise him when he was doing something > ..... the teacher stayed pretty much on top of > him. and as far as expectations... there weren't > any today. it was just a blow off day as far as work > goes,s o the teacher says she thinks that's why he > had an ok day. that he wasnt being asked to do > anything. I don't know. It's hard not to take it > personally for me right now. > > I can't help but wonder though, with all this med... > that if there were some other placement, say for > instance, a school where he could just be taught > home skills, how to care for himself, or taught a > skill life skills if hiis behaviors wouldn't > decrease, then maybe he wouldn't need to be > medicated. I can't help but wonder if we aren't > hurting him more then helping him. > > I know they say brain wise that when they get into > that fight or flight mode, ot kills brain cells. > so, are we doing more harm? > > has anyone here ever took their child out of a > school enviroment and opteed for a differant type of > setting, differant type of cirriculum... and seen an > improvement in behaviors? > > > cindy > > PS > thanks for letting me process with youa ll > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Checkout our homepage for information, > bookmarks, and photos of our kids. Share favorite > bookmarks, ideas, and other information by including > them. Don't forget, messages are a permanent record > of the archives for our list. > > -------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2001 Report Share Posted May 24, 2001 Hi Joan: I was wondering if you could mail me the disability solutions on ds/asd. i never got one. Please e-m,ail me privatley for my address. thanks mom to alek 8, andrew 7, bailey 5 ds/asd, logan 3 and liam 1 1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2001 Report Share Posted May 24, 2001 : Is it possible for you to download it from the website or for me to send a pdf file either over the internet or snail mail? I only have 5 copies left, which I will now hoard for display purposes only (though someone will steal it, trust me). j At 08:06 AM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Joan: >I was wondering if you could mail me the disability solutions on ds/asd. >i never got one. Please e-m,ail me privatley for my address. thanks >mom to alek 8, andrew 7, bailey 5 ds/asd, logan 3 and liam 1 1/2. > > >-------------------------------------------------- >Checkout our homepage for information, bookmarks, and photos of our kids. Share favorite bookmarks, ideas, and other information by including them. Don't forget, messages are a permanent record of the archives for our list. >-------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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