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I spoke to a woman just last week about this. She works for the Census. She said they wouldn’t ask about autism, because if they did that- then they would have to do every disease and disorder- which they won’t do.

On 5/17/07 1:59 AM, " Kendra Pettengill " <achsel@...> wrote:

Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next U.S.

Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and , though

no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely anything

with that method!

It can take years to get census questions added, so we should be doing

this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago, but I

believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the next

census. I no longer have such disilusions.

So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

Kendra

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That's a shame. We have the country's " Nielsen " families to tell us how a

television show is

rating...

But nothing comparable for this.

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> > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next U.S.

> > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and , though

> > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely anything

> > with that method!

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> > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should be doing

> > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago, but I

> > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the next

> > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

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> > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > Kendra

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Trust me ,

The Nielson ratings are not valid. There are a million things wrong with the system- but it’s all they have- so they use it. I was a television major in college and learned about the system. Then about 8 years ago I was a “Nielson family”. I won’t bore everyone with the details- but it’s easy to mess with the numbers. Plus, now with Tivo & DVR’s- I don’t think they have ANY real idea what people are watching or not watching (like FF thru commercials).

On 5/17/07 8:45 AM, " Nanstiel " <erik@...> wrote:

That's a shame. We have the country's " Nielsen " families to tell us how a television show is

rating...

But nothing comparable for this.

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> > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next U.S.

> > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and , though

> > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely anything

> > with that method!

> >

> > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should be doing

> > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago, but I

> > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the next

> > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

> >

> > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > Kendra

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This is not true. Questions in the census are mandated by certain

requirements and/or legislated to be asked.

There are historical questions regarding disability, used federally

to distribute funds and develop programs for people with

disabilities under the Rehabilitation Act. Used to ensure public

transportation services, and used to award Federal grants based on

numbers of those with physical and mental disabilities.

The numbers can be used to award money to mass transit systems,

Housing and Urban Development, employment and job training programs,

and health care and other services to the disabled. Also estimating

numbers eligible for medicare and medicaid programs. Data about

disabilities has been shared with DOT, EDUCATION, EPA, HHS, HUD, and

LABOR.

Just like legislation you can lobby your senators to legislate

certain questions onto the census. Autism is lacking in all of the

above services and it could be argued if they don't get the numbers

correct or at least close, many of these agencies are in for a huge

shock, education is already dealing with it.

Health questions have been on the census before as well as

disability questions. If our lawmakers legislate it, they have to

ask it. We just want to have a say in how those questions are

worded.

Kendra

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> > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next U.S.

> > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and ,

though

> > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely

anything

> > with that method!

> >

> > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should be

doing

> > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago, but I

> > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the next

> > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

> >

> > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > Kendra

> >

> >

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This is not true. Questions in the census are mandated by certain

requirements and/or legislated to be asked.

There are historical questions regarding disability, used federally

to distribute funds and develop programs for people with

disabilities under the Rehabilitation Act. Used to ensure public

transportation services, and used to award Federal grants based on

numbers of those with physical and mental disabilities.

The numbers can be used to award money to mass transit systems,

Housing and Urban Development, employment and job training programs,

and health care and other services to the disabled. Also estimating

numbers eligible for medicare and medicaid programs. Data about

disabilities has been shared with DOT, EDUCATION, EPA, HHS, HUD, and

LABOR.

Just like legislation you can lobby your senators to legislate

certain questions onto the census. Autism is lacking in all of the

above services and it could be argued if they don't get the numbers

correct or at least close, many of these agencies are in for a huge

shock, education is already dealing with it.

Health questions have been on the census before as well as

disability questions. If our lawmakers legislate it, they have to

ask it. We just want to have a say in how those questions are

worded.

Kendra

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next U.S.

> > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and ,

though

> > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely

anything

> > with that method!

> >

> > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should be

doing

> > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago, but I

> > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the next

> > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

> >

> > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > Kendra

> >

> >

> >

>

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The actual conduct of the census for 2000 in my town left many

questions in my mind. I have been a census enumenator and or a clerk

on the 1970, 1980 and the 2000 census. It is temp. gov employment

for most of the employees.

In 1970 as an enumerator I handeled the Census forms for a certain

area of a city from the time the form was mailed until the group of

forms were cnsidered completely filled out. I checked out vacant

lots & moves ect. I checked each form to see if the core questions

were answered. In 1970 the question that caused laughter was: do you

have a bathroom?

Each succeeding 10 years the handling of the checking of the census

forms became more peice-meal. I doubt if anyone can even be able to

do a proper sample for accuracy.

While searching( dot Gov.) recently for something unrelated I saw a

section regarding the preperation for the census. Seems as if there

was a mini? Census in the year 2005.

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next

U.S.

> > > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and

,

> though

> > > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely

> anything

> > > with that method!

> > >

> > > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should

be

> doing

> > > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago,

but I

> > > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the

next

> > > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

> > >

> > > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > > Kendra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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The actual conduct of the census for 2000 in my town left many

questions in my mind. I have been a census enumenator and or a clerk

on the 1970, 1980 and the 2000 census. It is temp. gov employment

for most of the employees.

In 1970 as an enumerator I handeled the Census forms for a certain

area of a city from the time the form was mailed until the group of

forms were cnsidered completely filled out. I checked out vacant

lots & moves ect. I checked each form to see if the core questions

were answered. In 1970 the question that caused laughter was: do you

have a bathroom?

Each succeeding 10 years the handling of the checking of the census

forms became more peice-meal. I doubt if anyone can even be able to

do a proper sample for accuracy.

While searching( dot Gov.) recently for something unrelated I saw a

section regarding the preperation for the census. Seems as if there

was a mini? Census in the year 2005.

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next

U.S.

> > > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and

,

> though

> > > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely

> anything

> > > with that method!

> > >

> > > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should

be

> doing

> > > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago,

but I

> > > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the

next

> > > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

> > >

> > > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > > Kendra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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A census survey would be completely unreliable.

If the government required proof of diagnosis, then people would be

hesitant to provide medical information to the US government or may

not have a professionally qualified diagnosis.

If no diagnosis criteria are needed, then people could self-diagnose

as autistic, when they are not. They may not feel comfortable

providing that information and not answer that question or lie.

Would it be like the census question for race? If so, some may check

autism, MR, ADHD… Would that qualify as a complete or fraction of a

person for each bubble filled?

A census question is just as bad as every other technique to

accurately count the ASD community. It will probably be decades at

the least before an accurate census of ASD individuals can be made.

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next U.S.

> > > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and ,

> though

> > > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely

> anything

> > > with that method!

> > >

> > > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should

be

> doing

> > > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago, but

I

> > > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the

next

> > > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

> > >

> > > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > > Kendra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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A census survey would be completely unreliable.

If the government required proof of diagnosis, then people would be

hesitant to provide medical information to the US government or may

not have a professionally qualified diagnosis.

If no diagnosis criteria are needed, then people could self-diagnose

as autistic, when they are not. They may not feel comfortable

providing that information and not answer that question or lie.

Would it be like the census question for race? If so, some may check

autism, MR, ADHD… Would that qualify as a complete or fraction of a

person for each bubble filled?

A census question is just as bad as every other technique to

accurately count the ASD community. It will probably be decades at

the least before an accurate census of ASD individuals can be made.

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next U.S.

> > > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and ,

> though

> > > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely

> anything

> > > with that method!

> > >

> > > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should

be

> doing

> > > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago, but

I

> > > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the

next

> > > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

> > >

> > > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > > Kendra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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This census idea sounds very interesting and important and sane to

me. I'd like to talk about it on my Autismone.org radio show Maverick

Mama, or in a Huffington Post essay eventually and/or other places

and try to drum up support. So please let me know more. Either, here,

I check all the time. Or at fischkinB@.... Many thanks! Barbara

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> Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next U.S.

> Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and ,

though

> no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely

anything

> with that method!

>

> It can take years to get census questions added, so we should be

doing

> this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago, but I

> believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the next

> census. I no longer have such disilusions.

>

> So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> Kendra

>

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Just another thought on this as I read and digest all further

comments pro and con: Does anyone know specifics about how and if

data was gathered in the past for other health epidemics (such as

polio?). How were diagnoses and self-reporting of diagnoses handled?

Just curious. Thanks. Barbara

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Why are we not lobbying to get Autism questions on the next

U.S.

> > > > Census. Could possibly shut up those idiots Grinker and

,

> > though

> > > > no guarantees there, they have started making claims followed

> > > > by, " this can never be proven " . Wow, you can say absolutely

> > anything

> > > > with that method!

> > > >

> > > > It can take years to get census questions added, so we should

> be

> > doing

> > > > this already. I brought this up to Mark Blaxill years ago,

but

> I

> > > > believe both of us thought the truth would be out before the

> next

> > > > census. I no longer have such disilusions.

> > > >

> > > > So, where do we start? What do we have to do to get specific

> > > > questions about Autism on the U.S. Census forms?

> > > > Kendra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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