Re: Re:Please tell me that someone else just heard the Lynn s show

[Guest guest]

The Chicken Pox vaccine (Varivax) is a weakened but living version of the Varicella Zoster Virus (VZV).  At least we know that it's weakened in the SHORT RUN of about 10-20 years.  However, what we DON'T know is if the Varivax virus becomes dormant after you get the vaccine as with the VZV.  And if it DOES become latent, could shingles you might get later be much worse than the typical shingles? Also, wouldn't harboring a latent virus in your body for extended periods put you at risk for other illnesses later on, like cancer maybe? Essentially, we are going to have to wait until there are people alive who received the Varivax 50 or 60 years ago to find out the answers to these questions.  The Varivax is nothing more than a 'leap of faith" at best.  Even if Varivax turns out to prevent Chicken Pox now, it may still cause cancer or some kind of "super shingles" later, and we probably won't be in a position to deal with that when the time comes. Not a chance I'd want to take.  My father got "regular" shingles, and treated it successfully with alternative therapies which lessened the pain and sped healing.  It is harmless and self limiting in non-immunocompromised people.On May 11, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Guzenda wrote: I never got chicken pox as a kid, so I was vax as an adult.  I certainly don't want shingles.  Why couldn't we just do it this way?  

[Guest guest]

All,

Of you want to know the truth about

Varivax, chicken pox, shingles,

Zostavax and the non-cost-effective

and non-effective US national

vaccination program, you all should

read the articles written by Dr.

S. Goldman who was forced to

resign his contract position for

the US CDC-funded " chicken pox "

surveilance program in Anrelope

Valley, CA so that he could publish

these truths.

Based on his scientifically sound

findings, the national vaccine

program for the herpes simplex

varicella zoster virus is not

only NOT cost effective; it does

more harm than good and, because it

gives everyone vaccinated incomplete

immunity to the disease, actually

increases the risk of harm and the

number seriously harmed by the

recurrence of the virus as shingles.

The only real beneficiary is the

vaccine manufacturer, Merck who is

allowed to make an sell these

ultimately worse-than-no-vaccine

vaccines knowing that the taxpayers,

and not Merck (who is indemnified

by the NVICA from being directly

sued) will pay for the harm caused

by this scientifically wrong-headed

vaccination program designed for a

disease, chicken pox, that is NOT

life threatening and INITIALLY justified

based on what amounts to the vacccine

makers projections of " cost savings "

for a single dose vaccine that would

provide " life long " protection and

would have no significant adverse effects

-- both of which were NOT true.

Now, the governmentr and Merck are

pushing a booster dose of Varivax

(or more) and, when we are old,

Zostavax (1 dose now and more?

in the future.

Based on the demonstrated need for

at least one booster dose, the

observed cases of severe adverse

effects including death, and the

need for Zostavax for shingles,

it should be obvious to anyone that

this vaccine programs is NEITHER

cost effective NOR " life long "

protective.

Yet, rather than admit the truth

the CDC ignires the vaccine's

ineffectiveness, harm and costs

and continmues to push the program

NOT because it benefits the people

but because it benefits the CDC,

NIH, Merck and the pediatricians

who derive income from both giving

the vaccine doses and then treating

those whose health is adversely

impacted.

Hopefully, after reading the truth

about the mildness of chicken pox

and the facts about universal

vaccination, all will reach

conclusions similar to those voiced

here for the vaccines purported to

" protect " us from the risk of getting

chicken pox and, more recently,

shingles with lottle or no regard to

the factual reality that vaccinating

a person with Varivax or Zostavax

" gives " the person vaccinated live

varicella zoster virus particles in

a manner that, at best, confers

incomplete immunity.

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At 15:35 5/11/07 -0700, cathylynn2 wrote:

>

>The Chicken Pox vaccine (Varivax) is a

>weakened but living version of the

>Varicella Zoster Virus (VZV).  At least

>we know that it's weakened in the SHORT

>RUN of about 10-20 years.  However, what

>we DON'T know is if the Varivax virus

>becomes dormant after you get the

>vaccine as with the VZV.  And if it

>DOES become latent, could shingles you

>might get later be much worse than the

>typical shingles? Also, wouldn't

>harboring a latent virus in your body

>for extended periods put you at risk

>for other illnesses later on, like

>cancer maybe? Essentially, we are

>going to have to wait until there are

>people alive who received the Varivax

>50 or 60 years ago to find out the

>answers to these questions.  The Varivax

>is nothing more than a 'leap of faith "

>at best.  Even if Varivax turns out to

>prevent Chicken Pox now, it may still

>cause cancer or some kind of " super

>shingles " later, and we probably won't

>be in a position to deal with that

>when the time comes. Not a chance I'd

>want to take.  My father got " regular "

>shingles, and treated it successfully

>with alternative therapies which

>lessened the pain and sped healing.  It

>is harmless and self limiting in non-

>immunocompromised people.

>

>

>

>On May 11, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Guzenda wrote:

>

> I never got chicken pox as a kid, so I

>was vax as an adult.  I certainly don't

>want shingles.  Why couldn't we just do

>it this way?

>  

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you cannot get shingles unless you have had the chicken pox. Altho I don't know how this might affect an adult who had the chicken pox vaccine. Maurine Guzenda <hguzenda@...> wrote: I was exposed to chicken pox as a kid and I'm 35 now. My brother got it, but neither my sister nor I did. My sister tested immune to the virus, but I did not. That's why I got the vaccine. With two small children, it's highly likely that I will be exposed to chicken pox and I

didn't want to get shingles and be unable to care for them while they were sick. We'll see. I haven't done nearly the research you all have on it. I'm not vaccinating either of my kids now, at least not until they are older. Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.

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Well in 's defense, chickenpox at an older

age is pretty miserable. I didn't get them until

I was 13 and I was soooo sick, and just covered

with pox. I wouldn't vax against it, but I can

kind of understand where she's coming from.

Kim

--- Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...>

wrote:

> you cannot get shingles unless you have had the

> chicken pox. Altho I don't know how this might

> affect an adult who had the chicken pox

> vaccine.

> Maurine

>

> Guzenda <hguzenda@...> wrote:

> I was exposed to chicken pox as a

> kid and I'm 35 now. My brother got it, but

> neither my sister nor I did. My sister tested

> immune to the virus, but I did not. That's why

> I got the vaccine. With two small children,

> it's highly likely that I will be exposed to

> chicken pox and I didn't want to get shingles

> and be unable to care for them while they were

> sick. We'll see. I haven't done nearly the

> research you all have on it. I'm not

> vaccinating either of my kids now, at least not

> until they are older.

>

>

>

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AI am not criticizing heather, not defending her. I am only correcting her misconception on how one can get the shingles. Whether she chooses to vaccinate herself or not is her business. MaurineKim <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: Well in 's defense, chickenpox at an olderage is pretty miserable. I didn't get them untilI was 13 and I was soooo sick, and just coveredwith pox. I wouldn't vax against it, but I cankind of understand where she's coming from.Kim

--- Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck >wrote:> you cannot get shingles unless you have had the> chicken pox. Altho I don't know how this might> affect an adult who had the chicken pox> vaccine.> Maurine> > Guzenda <hguzenda > wrote:> I was exposed to chicken pox as a> kid and I'm 35 now. My brother got it, but> neither my sister nor I did. My sister tested> immune to the virus, but I did not. That's why> I got the vaccine. With two small children,> it's highly likely that I will be exposed to> chicken pox and I didn't want to get shingles> and be unable to care for them while they were> sick. We'll see. I haven't done nearly the> research you all have on it. I'm not> vaccinating either of my kids

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I posted what happen on Lynn’s show

today not even remotely for the chicken pox part but the part where the Dr. who

called in said “Yes, MMR may cause autism….But what’s 1 or 2

children with autism compared to the disease (meaning measles, mumps, rubella)as

an epidemic”…..This Dr. was calling our children small casualties of

necessity. Didn’t anyone else get as upset at that statement as I

did???? -

Kim <delicateflower_kk >

wrote:

Well in 's defense, chickenpox at an older

age is pretty miserable. I didn't get them until

I was 13 and I was soooo sick, and just covered

with pox. I wouldn't vax against it, but I can

kind of understand where she's coming from.

Kim

--- Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck >

wrote:

> you cannot get shingles unless you have had the

> chicken pox. Altho I don't know how this might

> affect an adult who had the chicken pox

> vaccine.

> Maurine

>

> Guzenda <hguzenda >

wrote:

> I was exposed to chicken pox as a

> kid and I'm 35 now. My brother got it, but

> neither my sister nor I did. My sister tested

> immune to the virus, but I did not. That's why

> I got the vaccine. With two small children,

> it's highly likely that I will be exposed to

> chicken pox and I didn't want to get shingles

> and be unable to care for them while they were

> sick. We'll see. I haven't done nearly the

> research you all have on it. I'm not

> vaccinating either of my kids now, at least not

> until they are older.

>

>

>

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If you want to participate in a lifelong biological experiment, no one should be able to stop you- provided that you are fully informed- with honestly presented valid information. That's a huge proviso.

It is when the fascists force these experiments on you, in violation of international protocol and ethics rules, where the battle begins and where we must draw the line.

We will choose our healthcare- we will not have it rammed down our throat.

Not only because it is a violation of international medical ethics rules to do the same- but because by allowing those in the medical professions and health industries to have a monopoly with no liability that you get the slop that passes for healthcare.

There must be a yang to every yin. Otherwise you have no counterbalance to the pushing of vaccines and other medical care. Without any downside in the form of liability.

And it can only get worse from here without the yang. The experiments will just get more egregious without requiring consent.

Let the yang help you.

Re: Re:Please tell me that someone else just heard the Lynn s show

The Chicken Pox vaccine (Varivax) is a weakened but living version of the Varicella Zoster Virus (VZV). At least we know that it's weakened in the SHORT RUN of about 10-20 years. However, what we DON'T know is if the Varivax virus becomes dormant after you get the vaccine as with the VZV. And if it DOES become latent, could shingles you might get later be much worse than the typical shingles? Also, wouldn't harboring a latent virus in your body for extended periods put you at risk for other illnesses later on, like cancer maybe? Essentially, we are going to have to wait until there are people alive who received the Varivax 50 or 60 years ago to find out the answers to these questions. The Varivax is nothing more than a 'leap of faith" at best. Even if Varivax turns out to prevent Chicken Pox now, it may still cause cancer or some kind of "super shingles" later, and we probably won't be in a position to deal with that when the time comes. Not a chance I'd want to take. My father got "regular" shingles, and treated it successfully with alternative therapies which lessened the pain and sped healing. It is harmless and self limiting in non-immunocompromised people.

On May 11, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Guzenda wrote:

I never got chicken pox as a kid, so I was vax as an adult. I certainly don't want shingles. Why couldn't we just do it this way?

[Guest guest]

Would it be more health conscious to simply have the pediatricians shutter their offices and leave everyone alone?

Re: Re:Please tell me that someone else just heard the Lynn s show

All,Of you want to know the truth about Varivax, chicken pox, shingles, Zostavax and the non-cost-effectiveand non-effective US national vaccination program, you all should read the articles written by Dr. S. Goldman who was forced toresign his contract position forthe US CDC-funded "chicken pox"surveilance program in AnrelopeValley, CA so that he could publishthese truths.Based on his scientifically sound findings, the national vaccine program for the herpes simplex varicella zoster virus is not only NOT cost effective; it doesmore harm than good and, because itgives everyone vaccinated incompleteimmunity to the disease, actuallyincreases the risk of harm and thenumber seriously harmed by the recurrence of the virus as shingles.The only real beneficiary is the vaccine manufacturer, Merck who isallowed to make an sell these ultimately worse-than-no-vaccine vaccines knowing that the taxpayers,and not Merck (who is indemnifiedby the NVICA from being directly sued) will pay for the harm caused by this scientifically wrong-headedvaccination program designed for adisease, chicken pox, that is NOT life threatening and INITIALLY justifiedbased on what amounts to the vacccine makers projections of "cost savings" for a single dose vaccine that wouldprovide "life long" protection and would have no significant adverse effects-- both of which were NOT true.Now, the governmentr and Merck are pushing a booster dose of Varivax (or more) and, when we are old,Zostavax (1 dose now and more?in the future.Based on the demonstrated need forat least one booster dose, the observed cases of severe adverse effects including death, and the need for Zostavax for shingles,it should be obvious to anyone that this vaccine programs is NEITHER cost effective NOR "life long"protective.Yet, rather than admit the truth the CDC ignires the vaccine'sineffectiveness, harm and costs and continmues to push the programNOT because it benefits the people but because it benefits the CDC,NIH, Merck and the pediatricianswho derive income from both giving the vaccine doses and then treating those whose health is adversely impacted.Hopefully, after reading the truthabout the mildness of chicken poxand the facts about universalvaccination, all will reach conclusions similar to those voicedhere for the vaccines purported to "protect" us from the risk of gettingchicken pox and, more recently, shingles with lottle or no regard tothe factual reality that vaccinatinga person with Varivax or Zostavax "gives" the person vaccinated livevaricella zoster virus particles ina manner that, at best, confersincomplete immunity. ********************************************The information provided in this email **is just that -- information. **It is not medical advice and it does not **require any specific action or actions. * * * *While the information is thought to be **accurate, no representation is made as **to the accuracy of the information posted**other than it is my best understanding of**the facts on the date that this email is **posted. ** **Everyone should verify the accuracy of **the information provided for themselves **before acting on it. ********************************************Respectfully,Dr. Kinghttp://www.dr-king.com+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ of At 15:35 5/11/07 -0700, cathylynn2 wrote:>>The Chicken Pox vaccine (Varivax) is a >weakened but living version of the >Varicella Zoster Virus (VZV). At least>we know that it's weakened in the SHORT>RUN of about 10-20 years. However, what>we DON'T know is if the Varivax virus >becomes dormant after you get the >vaccine as with the VZV. And if it >DOES become latent, could shingles you >might get later be much worse than the >typical shingles? Also, wouldn't>harboring a latent virus in your body >for extended periods put you at risk >for other illnesses later on, like >cancer maybe? Essentially, we are >going to have to wait until there are >people alive who received the Varivax >50 or 60 years ago to find out the >answers to these questions. The Varivax>is nothing more than a 'leap of faith" >at best. Even if Varivax turns out to >prevent Chicken Pox now, it may still >cause cancer or some kind of "super >shingles" later, and we probably won't >be in a position to deal with that >when the time comes. Not a chance I'd >want to take. My father got "regular" >shingles, and treated it successfully >with alternative therapies which >lessened the pain and sped healing. It >is harmless and self limiting in non->immunocompromised people.>>>>On May 11, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Guzenda wrote:>> I never got chicken pox as a kid, so I>was vax as an adult. I certainly don't >want shingles. Why couldn't we just do >it this way?> > >>