Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

April 30, 2007

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COMMUNISM??? For assuring our foods aren't toxic???? HUH?When they put cocaine into cola (in the 60's) should they have just let the companies keep it in there (it was some good stuff no doubt)? Or should they (being the FDA) have had the authority and responsibility to take it out??? Why are toxic preservatives any different. This isn't about making good choices (ie: fruit over candy) anymore. It's about chosing between fruit (that's been sprayed with God knows what?) or candy (that's made from crap that tastes like and probably is plastic). I was raised to be able to eat candy...back when it really was candy.And I'm not the smartest person around, but certainly educated and and an older mom and I can't understand 1/2 the crap they put in foods, so why should someone else??????I'm not saying big brother here. If Aspartame is toxic, why is it on the shelf????? Why should that even be a choice?????Your argument about communism does not apply here. This isn't protection from ourselves. It's protection from them. Just like we need protection from the vaccine makers.Why don't you see that the same applies to food? If trans fat is toxic and causes obesity, why wouldn't our government have the responsibility to warn people? On and on...> >> > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of > > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. > We > > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember > > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE. > > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box > I > > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods > to > > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier. > > > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have > the > > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a > > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.> > > > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the > > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the > > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more > > difficult. I think that's rotten.> > > > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most > > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. > It's a > > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to > climb > > the stairs. > > > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be > heavy > > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the > > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our > > own...> > > > Health and peace,> > > > K> >>

April 30, 2007

No, I don't trust the government to do what is right for us...But my

point is that MANY PEOPLE (MOST) DO!!! They are the ones who say it

is safe, why should people doubt it? I trusted them when I let them

give my baby a shot. I should have been able to trust. Same goes

with our food and water supply.

Food should be non-toxic. I do believe our government should make

sure of that. This isn't a communistic statement. Vaccines should

not have thimerosal in them. They are the same issue. No one is

shoving the food down their throats (being the obese people), but

the foods they have to choose from are not healthy to begin with.

We're told over and over to eat organic, well it's expensive. Water

should be non-toxic. Water purifiers are expensive. Damn people

what happened to the good old days of being able to live?

All this research wears me out. Don't you just wish you knew our

food was ok (non-toxic)?

People on this group are up in arms (including me) about the mercury

in the light-bulbs. They (being the government) should not allow

it! What I'm saying is you can't pick and choose only the things

that affect you. They are all the same issue.

It's not a simple choice of eating healthy over non-healthy

anymore. The organic meat we buy is over $5/pound - that is cost

prohibitive to many. The other meat that we could choose from has

antibiotics, steriods, and hormones in it.

As far as the " pyrimid thingie " mentioned earlier, consider: fruit

(which can cause yeast issues in our ASD kids, and is sprayed with

how knows what pestsides) and grains (a gluten issue for ASD and

Celiacs) not to mention veggies (which are a GMO concern), meat

(with the hormones, antibiotics, steriods, etc) and what are we left

with? Oh and let's not forget the toxicity of the pans we cook on

and the toxicity of our homes.

So, I know how it is, but I can't help but ask you:

SHOULD IT BE THIS WAY?

The ice-caps are melting too. Should THEY stop it? Yes they should

for the good of all of us. Or is the communism too?

P

> > > >

> > > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

> > dongs

> > > > and smokes.

> > >

> >

>

April 30, 2007

No Holly,

They are not different issues. You seem to think that obesity is

only from over-eating (which is something people have done for

centuries). The difference now is that our food supply (unless

certified organic) is CRAP. See my other post.

I believe these toxic chemicals and preservatives are the cause of

most obesity. Common sense says eat healthy. But what is available

at the store (in the foods we buy, whether the grains, fruits and

fresh meats you're taking about) are full of unhealthy things.

Genetics and habits play a role, no question, but if what was

available was better regulated (ie: no arsenic put into chicken

feed) we'd be a healthier nation.

They are the same issue.

> > >

> > > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction

of

> > > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to

obesity.

> > We

> > > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner.

> Remember

> > > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was

HUGE.

> > > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green

> box

> > I

> > > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our

foods

> > to

> > > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier.

> > >

> > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do

have

> > the

> > > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for

a

> > > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job

> tougher.

> > >

> > > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have

> the

> > > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the

> > > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight

more

> > > difficult. I think that's rotten.

> > >

> > > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed

> most

> > > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds.

> > It's a

> > > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to

> > climb

> > > the stairs.

> > >

> > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be

> > heavy

> > > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the

> > > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on

our

> > > own...

> > >

> > > Health and peace,

> > >

> > > K

> > >

> >

>

April 30, 2007

no, not just overeating, but mostly overeating and not exercising. yes i am sure there is some genetic connection but at the end of the day, what you put into your body is your choice.

yes, there are good and bad choices at the stores. as a consumer, and a parent, it's your job to provide the best food for yourself and your child. yes, the FDA sucks at their job. we all know that. but it's a slippery slope when you want them to regulate everything. especially when they are as bad at thier job as they are.

and no, i dont think trans fats should be banned. when i want a seriously greasy fried yummy thing, i want my trans fats. i know i can't eat it every day, but i want the option of full-fat oreos, whole fat cream cheese in my cheesecake and real sugar in my gum. And i want healthier options too. but if they don't sell it, i can make it. i have a kitchen after all.

H

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of patriciaa_67Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:02 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

No Holly,They are not different issues. You seem to think that obesity is only from over-eating (which is something people have done for centuries). The difference now is that our food supply (unless certified organic) is CRAP. See my other post.I believe these toxic chemicals and preservatives are the cause of most obesity. Common sense says eat healthy. But what is available at the store (in the foods we buy, whether the grains, fruits and fresh meats you're taking about) are full of unhealthy things.Genetics and habits play a role, no question, but if what was available was better regulated (ie: no arsenic put into chicken feed) we'd be a healthier nation.They are the same issue.> > >> > > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of > > > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. > > We > > > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. > Remember > > > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE. > > > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green > box > > I > > > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods > > to > > > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier. > > > > > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have > > the > > > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a > > > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job > tougher.> > > > > > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have > the > > > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the > > > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more > > > difficult. I think that's rotten.> > > > > > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed > most > > > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. > > It's a > > > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to > > climb > > > the stairs. > > > > > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be > > heavy > > > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the > > > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our > > > own...> > > > > > Health and peace,> > > > > > K> > >> >>

April 30, 2007

>

> As far as the " pyrimid thingie " mentioned

> earlier, consider: fruit

> (which can cause yeast issues in our ASD kids,

> and is sprayed with

> how knows what pestsides) and grains (a gluten

> issue for ASD and

> Celiacs) not to mention veggies (which are a

> GMO concern), meat

> (with the hormones, antibiotics, steriods, etc)

> and what are we left

> with? Oh and let's not forget the toxicity of

> the pans we cook on

> and the toxicity of our homes.

>

I thought we were talking about children's

obesity caused by their parents choices. An

apple vs a ding dong still won't make you fat,

even if it has been sprayed with toxic crap.

Fruit and vegatables ARE expensive, even if you

don't buy organic, but healthier food choices can

still be made by parents willing to make the

effort. If you're not eating at Mcs 4

nights a week, and out of a box the rest, you can

afford to eat healthier options.

90% of the parents out there may not know what

their fruit and veg have been treated with, but I

seriously doubt that anyone out there would

honestly believe that a diet of fast food and

processed foods are as healthy as fresh fruit,

veg and simple meals. That's what I'm talking

about.

__________________________________________________

April 30, 2007

>

> They are not different issues. You seem to

> think that obesity is

> only from over-eating (which is something

> people have done for

> centuries). The difference now is that our

> food supply (unless

> certified organic) is CRAP. See my other post.

>

> I believe these toxic chemicals and

> preservatives are the cause of

> most obesity. Common sense says eat healthy.

> But what is available

> at the store (in the foods we buy, whether the

> grains, fruits and

> fresh meats you're taking about) are full of

> unhealthy things.

>

I can't believe these statements. I know if I

change my diet (and I'm not talking about going

organic, etc, just to better portions, healthier

options) I will lose weight. The same is true

for every fat person I've ever known. Food

additives may not be good for us, but I don't

think they're making us fat with no choices on

our parts. If I eat processed food/junk food I

will gain weight. Most of these HFCS foods are

also higher calorie, or at least empty calories.

This may not be a scientific observation, but I

love to check out what people have in their carts

at the grocery store. The fat people, and people

with fat kids usually have junk in their carts.

__________________________________________________

April 30, 2007

Fair enough Kim. But I don't think all obese people are eating that

way...

P

>

> >

> > As far as the " pyrimid thingie " mentioned

> > earlier, consider: fruit

> > (which can cause yeast issues in our ASD kids,

> > and is sprayed with

> > how knows what pestsides) and grains (a gluten

> > issue for ASD and

> > Celiacs) not to mention veggies (which are a

> > GMO concern), meat

> > (with the hormones, antibiotics, steriods, etc)

> > and what are we left

> > with? Oh and let's not forget the toxicity of

> > the pans we cook on

> > and the toxicity of our homes.

> >

> I thought we were talking about children's

> obesity caused by their parents choices. An

> apple vs a ding dong still won't make you fat,

> even if it has been sprayed with toxic crap.

>

> Fruit and vegatables ARE expensive, even if you

> don't buy organic, but healthier food choices can

> still be made by parents willing to make the

> effort. If you're not eating at Mcs 4

> nights a week, and out of a box the rest, you can

> afford to eat healthier options.

>

> 90% of the parents out there may not know what

> their fruit and veg have been treated with, but I

> seriously doubt that anyone out there would

> honestly believe that a diet of fast food and

> processed foods are as healthy as fresh fruit,

> veg and simple meals. That's what I'm talking

> about.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

April 30, 2007

" it's a slippery slope when you want them to regulate everything.

especially when they are as bad at thier job as they are "

I'm not saying everything.

P

> > > >

> > > > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction

> of

> > > > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to

> obesity.

> > > We

> > > > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner.

> > Remember

> > > > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was

> HUGE.

> > > > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every

green

> > box

> > > I

> > > > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our

> foods

> > > to

> > > > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and

heavier.

> > > >

> > > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do

> have

> > > the

> > > > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not

for

> a

> > > > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job

> > tougher.

> > > >

> > > > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T

have

> > the

> > > > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the

> > > > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight

> more

> > > > difficult. I think that's rotten.

> > > >

> > > > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed

> > most

> > > > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30

pounds.

> > > It's a

> > > > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able

to

> > > climb

> > > > the stairs.

> > > >

> > > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can

be

> > > heavy

> > > > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's

the

> > > > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on

> our

> > > > own...

> > > >

> > > > Health and peace,

> > > >

> > > > K

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 30, 2007

Just remember, there are growth hormones in almost all meat-producing animals. It is set up that way for bigger animals. If you think eating growth hormones injected into the cattle's food supply does nothing to humans......I just got done watching Supersize Me for the first time. It was on MSNBC. It's on again at 8:00p.m. for those of us out west. The biggest falacy..... drinking diet pop. It only makes you crave more carbs. No wonder people downing Big Gulps for Diet Pepsi are huge and not teeny.Roxpatriciaa_67 <cpand@...> wrote: "it's a slippery slope when you want them to regulate everything. especially when they are as bad at thier job as they are" I'm not saying everything. P > > > > > > > > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction > of > > > > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to > obesity. > > > We > > > > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. > > Remember > > > > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was > HUGE. > > > > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green

> > box > > > I > > > > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our > foods > > > to > > > > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier. > > > > > > > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do > have > > > the > > > > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for > a > > > > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job > > tougher. > > > > > > > > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have > > the > > > > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the > > > > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight > more > > > > difficult. I think that's

rotten. > > > > > > > > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed > > most > > > > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. > > > It's a > > > > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to > > > climb > > > > the stairs. > > > > > > > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be > > > heavy > > > > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the > > > > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on > our > > > > own... > > > > > > > > Health and peace, > > > > > > > > K > > > > > > > > > >

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April 30, 2007

As far as Aspartame goes, it's on the shelf because Rumsfeld put it there, most likely illegally.... Aasa http://www.rense.com/general67/rum.htm patriciaa_67 <cpand@...> wrote: COMMUNISM??? For assuring our foods aren't toxic???? HUH?When they put cocaine into cola (in the 60's) should they have just let the companies keep it in there (it was some good stuff no

doubt)? Or should they (being the FDA) have had the authority and responsibility to take it out??? Why are toxic preservatives any different. This isn't about making good choices (ie: fruit over candy) anymore. It's about chosing between fruit (that's been sprayed with God knows what?) or candy (that's made from crap that tastes like and probably is plastic). I was raised to be able to eat candy...back when it really was candy.And I'm not the smartest person around, but certainly educated and and an older mom and I can't understand 1/2 the crap they put in foods, so why should someone else??????I'm not saying big brother here. If Aspartame is toxic, why is it on the shelf????? Why should that even be a choice?????Your argument about communism does not apply here. This isn't protection from ourselves. It's protection from them. Just like we need protection from the vaccine makers.Why

don't you see that the same applies to food? If trans fat is toxic and causes obesity, why wouldn't our government have the responsibility to warn people? On and on...> >> > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of > > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. > We > > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember > > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE. > > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box > I > > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods > to > > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier. > > > > I DO blame the food companies to a

large degree - but we do have > the > > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a > > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.> > > > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the > > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the > > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more > > difficult. I think that's rotten.> > > > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most > > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. > It's a > > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to > climb > > the stairs. > > > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be > heavy > > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the

weight. It's the > > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our > > own...> > > > Health and peace,> > > > K> >>

April 30, 2007

Jumping in here...

I agree with Holly. It is what we choose to give our kids to eat and if we let

them sit around

or make them get some excercise.

We set up rules right from the start in our house. We directed our kids to eat

healthy and

we didn't buy junk food so they didn't have another option.

Frozen yogurt replaced ice cream, granola bars replaced cookies, peanuts

replaced chips,

and even to this day my kids drink Carnation Instant Breakfast to make chocolate

milk

because it gives them the extra vitamins rather than just sugar.

Yes, some of these things are just as high in calories, but they are metabolized

differently.

In the fourth grade, the teachers asked all of the parents to send in a 'healthy

snack'

because they had the latest lunch period. I sent in carrot sticks, celery

sticks, peanuts,

granola bars, fruit bowls and so on. The teachers told me I was the ONLY parent

who

actually did this. All of the other kids brought in popcorn, chips and candy

snacks.

We are actually also one of the last families in America to own only one

television and this

is on purpose. No TVs in their rooms, no extra TV to watch. I switch the channel

all the

time to CNN to kick them off and then I kick them outside to ride their bikes or

shoot

baskets. Playstation has time limits as does anything else that keeps them from

being

mobil.

I see other parents giving their kids soft drinks all day, they can eat whenever

and

whatever they want, they sit around watching TV all day, and they eat fast food

a few times

a week...and then they wonder why their kids are heavy.

We don't allow them to ever drink soft drinks at home and we buy little junk

food. My

daughter begs us to buy her green peppers and cucumbers at the store so she can

slice

them up and snack on them while watching American Idol or something.

Unless a kid has an actual medical problem, it usually lies with the parent. We

have choices

and I can't control what my kids eat at their friend's house or at school, but

because they

eat healthy at home, the excess they get elsewhere doesn't hurt them pounds

wise.

The difference between when we were growing up and today's kids is playstation

and

television, compared to running around the neighborhood and coming home when the

street lights came on. Our parents cooked dinner every night and your butt was

in that

dinner chair by 5:30 or you caught it. Today, it's a trip to Mcs three

times a week

and ordering pizza on a fourth.

We drank juice and lemonade. They drink cherry pepsi and sprite.

We ate a sandwich and a bowl of soup for lunch. They eat ready made " lunchables "

with a

soft drink.

We went to bed exhusted, dirty and sweaty from kickball and 'release " . They go

to bed

restless from sitting all day.

Col

> > > >

> > > > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction

> of

> > > > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to

> obesity.

> > > We

> > > > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner.

> > Remember

> > > > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was

> HUGE.

> > > > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green

> > box

> > > I

> > > > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our

> foods

> > > to

> > > > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier.

> > > >

> > > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do

> have

> > > the

> > > > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for

> a

> > > > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job

> > tougher.

> > > >

> > > > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have

> > the

> > > > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the

> > > > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight

> more

> > > > difficult. I think that's rotten.

> > > >

> > > > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed

> > most

> > > > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds.

> > > It's a

> > > > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to

> > > climb

> > > > the stairs.

> > > >

> > > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be

> > > heavy

> > > > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the

> > > > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on

> our

> > > > own...

> > > >

> > > > Health and peace,

> > > >

> > > > K

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 30, 2007

Isn't that what got us here?

RE: Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

that's a great argument for communism. we can't be trusted with ourselves, so please take all chocies away!

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of patriciaa_67Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:06 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

So so true. If there are drugs in the neighborhood do we condem the parents for living there or do we condem the drug dealers???? Same goes for the food companies! P>> By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. We > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE. > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box I > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods to > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier. > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have the > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.> > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more > difficult. I think that's rotten.> > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. It's a > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to climb > the stairs. > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be heavy > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our > own...> > Health and peace,> > K>

April 30, 2007

You've probably never gone to a food pantry to get food to help feed

your family - but if you did, you'd find out that most food pantries

(any that I've ever known) give out CRAP. Processed foods. Boxes

of mac and cheese, spaghetti-o's, canned corn is the main veggie,

stuffing mix, cookies and cereal (usually corn flakes or sweet

cereal). A lot of poor folks depend on these boxes to help them

through. Our food pantry in town will allow families to come once a

week for a box. Ours is a 100% poverty school; every single child

there qualifies for free breakfast and free lunch. So the children

in our VERY POOR town eat breakfast and lunch at school, then come

home to eat the food from the food pantry... The one store in town

is so expensive no one can afford fruits and veggies (not that they

carry many). A dozen eggs is over $2.

Real poverty does mean not affording healthy food. Junky white

bread can be purchased in real stores (not here) for around $1

loaf. Whole grain loaves are over $2 per loaf, often closer to

$3.50. What fruit or veggie can you buy for under $1 lb? None that

I know of. WIC isn't even all that healthy. Milk (if you can

tolerate it) cereal (not the healthiest thing) juice, peanut butter,

cheese, eggs. Gluten and dairy galore....

Not talking about those who can afford to eat at Mcs. Talking

about those who would think Mcs is a real special treat!

>

> >

> > As far as the " pyrimid thingie " mentioned

> > earlier, consider: fruit

> > (which can cause yeast issues in our ASD kids,

> > and is sprayed with

> > how knows what pestsides) and grains (a gluten

> > issue for ASD and

> > Celiacs) not to mention veggies (which are a

> > GMO concern), meat

> > (with the hormones, antibiotics, steriods, etc)

> > and what are we left

> > with? Oh and let's not forget the toxicity of

> > the pans we cook on

> > and the toxicity of our homes.

> >

> I thought we were talking about children's

> obesity caused by their parents choices. An

> apple vs a ding dong still won't make you fat,

> even if it has been sprayed with toxic crap.

>

> Fruit and vegatables ARE expensive, even if you

> don't buy organic, but healthier food choices can

> still be made by parents willing to make the

> effort. If you're not eating at Mcs 4

> nights a week, and out of a box the rest, you can

> afford to eat healthier options.

>

> 90% of the parents out there may not know what

> their fruit and veg have been treated with, but I

> seriously doubt that anyone out there would

> honestly believe that a diet of fast food and

> processed foods are as healthy as fresh fruit,

> veg and simple meals. That's what I'm talking

> about.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

April 30, 2007

Hi, . You're right. And we do " forget " that some folks have

triple trials with financial issues on top of everything else. My

husband was out of work for 2 years and we ended up with our names on

a mitten on the Giving Tree at our church. That stung. We were able

to get back on our feet, but not everyone has the support we had.

Thanks for the reminder of what reality is in a lot of America. More

every day I fear.

The WIC program is also coming under fire because when it was

launched, the problem among the real poor was MALNUTRITION, so WIC

covers dairy including cheese and other non-fresh foods. Now the

problem is obesity/malnutrition of a different sort and the aid

programs have not kept with the times.

Yours,

KIM

>

> You've probably never gone to a food pantry to get food to help

feed

> your family - but if you did, you'd find out that most food

pantries

> (any that I've ever known) give out CRAP.

April 30, 2007

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April 30, 2007

Actually, my family is on food stamps and we have

had to get food from a food panty. I live in

Southern West Virginia, which is probably one of

the poorest areas in the country.

I totally understand what it means not to be able

to afford organic foods or all the fresh fruit

and vegetables you want.

Still, I feel proud of the fact that I've managed

to provide the healthiest choices I can afford

for my three children.

I utilize our local bakery, where I can buy whole

wheat bread, that normally costs $3 a loaf, for

$1 a loaf. I buy enough to last a month and

freeze it.

I shop at my local Save Alot and buy many things,

like canned fruits and vegetables for a

substantial discount over Kroger and other local

supermarkets. I bargain shop. I shop at local

farmers markets. We have a garden in the spring

and summer.

I do know poverty, and I do know how hard it is

to eat right when money is tight, but I still

contend that it can be done.

Kim

slightly embarrassed to think everyone now knows

my financial situation.

--- shilohashfork <shilohashfork@...>

wrote:

> You've probably never gone to a food pantry to

> get food to help feed

> your family - but if you did, you'd find out

> that most food pantries

> (any that I've ever known) give out CRAP.

> Processed foods. Boxes

> of mac and cheese, spaghetti-o's, canned corn

> is the main veggie,

> stuffing mix, cookies and cereal (usually corn

> flakes or sweet

> cereal). A lot of poor folks depend on these

> boxes to help them

> through. Our food pantry in town will allow

> families to come once a

> week for a box. Ours is a 100% poverty school;

> every single child

> there qualifies for free breakfast and free

> lunch. So the children

> in our VERY POOR town eat breakfast and lunch

> at school, then come

> home to eat the food from the food pantry...

> The one store in town

> is so expensive no one can afford fruits and

> veggies (not that they

> carry many). A dozen eggs is over $2.

>

> Real poverty does mean not affording healthy

> food. Junky white

> bread can be purchased in real stores (not

> here) for around $1

> loaf. Whole grain loaves are over $2 per loaf,

> often closer to

> $3.50. What fruit or veggie can you buy for

> under $1 lb? None that

> I know of. WIC isn't even all that healthy.

> Milk (if you can

> tolerate it) cereal (not the healthiest thing)

> juice, peanut butter,

> cheese, eggs. Gluten and dairy galore....

>

> Not talking about those who can afford to eat

> at Mcs. Talking

> about those who would think Mcs is a real

> special treat!

>

> >

> > >

> > > As far as the " pyrimid thingie " mentioned

> > > earlier, consider: fruit

> > > (which can cause yeast issues in our ASD

> kids,

> > > and is sprayed with

> > > how knows what pestsides) and grains (a

> gluten

> > > issue for ASD and

> > > Celiacs) not to mention veggies (which are

> a

> > > GMO concern), meat

> > > (with the hormones, antibiotics, steriods,

> etc)

> > > and what are we left

> > > with? Oh and let's not forget the toxicity

> of

> > > the pans we cook on

> > > and the toxicity of our homes.

> > >

> > I thought we were talking about children's

> > obesity caused by their parents choices. An

> > apple vs a ding dong still won't make you

> fat,

> > even if it has been sprayed with toxic crap.

>

> >

> > Fruit and vegatables ARE expensive, even if

> you

> > don't buy organic, but healthier food choices

> can

> > still be made by parents willing to make the

> > effort. If you're not eating at Mcs 4

> > nights a week, and out of a box the rest, you

> can

> > afford to eat healthier options.

> >

> > 90% of the parents out there may not know

> what

> > their fruit and veg have been treated with,

> but I

> > seriously doubt that anyone out there would

> > honestly believe that a diet of fast food and

> > processed foods are as healthy as fresh

> fruit,

> > veg and simple meals. That's what I'm

> talking

> > about.

> >

>

__________________________________________________

> >

April 30, 2007

Oh yeah, I get WIC too. Those bastards gave me 4

cans of tuna a month when I was pregnant.

--- shilohashfork <shilohashfork@...>

wrote:

> You've probably never gone to a food pantry to

> get food to help feed

> your family - but if you did, you'd find out

> that most food pantries

> (any that I've ever known) give out CRAP.

> Processed foods. Boxes

> of mac and cheese, spaghetti-o's, canned corn

> is the main veggie,

> stuffing mix, cookies and cereal (usually corn

> flakes or sweet

> cereal). A lot of poor folks depend on these

> boxes to help them

> through. Our food pantry in town will allow

> families to come once a

> week for a box. Ours is a 100% poverty school;

> every single child

> there qualifies for free breakfast and free

> lunch. So the children

> in our VERY POOR town eat breakfast and lunch

> at school, then come

> home to eat the food from the food pantry...

> The one store in town

> is so expensive no one can afford fruits and

> veggies (not that they

> carry many). A dozen eggs is over $2.

>

> Real poverty does mean not affording healthy

> food. Junky white

> bread can be purchased in real stores (not

> here) for around $1

> loaf. Whole grain loaves are over $2 per loaf,

> often closer to

> $3.50. What fruit or veggie can you buy for

> under $1 lb? None that

> I know of. WIC isn't even all that healthy.

> Milk (if you can

> tolerate it) cereal (not the healthiest thing)

> juice, peanut butter,

> cheese, eggs. Gluten and dairy galore....

>

> Not talking about those who can afford to eat

> at Mcs. Talking

> about those who would think Mcs is a real

> special treat!

>

> >

> > >

> > > As far as the " pyrimid thingie " mentioned

> > > earlier, consider: fruit

> > > (which can cause yeast issues in our ASD

> kids,

> > > and is sprayed with

> > > how knows what pestsides) and grains (a

> gluten

> > > issue for ASD and

> > > Celiacs) not to mention veggies (which are

> a

> > > GMO concern), meat

> > > (with the hormones, antibiotics, steriods,

> etc)

> > > and what are we left

> > > with? Oh and let's not forget the toxicity

> of

> > > the pans we cook on

> > > and the toxicity of our homes.

> > >

> > I thought we were talking about children's

> > obesity caused by their parents choices. An

> > apple vs a ding dong still won't make you

> fat,

> > even if it has been sprayed with toxic crap.

>

> >

> > Fruit and vegatables ARE expensive, even if

> you

> > don't buy organic, but healthier food choices

> can

> > still be made by parents willing to make the

> > effort. If you're not eating at Mcs 4

> > nights a week, and out of a box the rest, you

> can

> > afford to eat healthier options.

> >

> > 90% of the parents out there may not know

> what

> > their fruit and veg have been treated with,

> but I

> > seriously doubt that anyone out there would

> > honestly believe that a diet of fast food and

> > processed foods are as healthy as fresh

> fruit,

> > veg and simple meals. That's what I'm

> talking

> > about.

> >

>

__________________________________________________

> >

May 1, 2007

Kim,

Please don’t be embarrassed. I was almost homeless and on WIC when I had my son and it REALLY helped because he was on Neutramagen- which is the most expensive formula there is. I also used to buy toys from Good Will & buy used clothes on Ebay. Thankfully there is an outlet near me with about 130 stores- so I was able to get a lot of baby clothes on sale. I still shop there and it helps a lot. I’ll never forget the help I got from WIC and Medicaid for almost 2 years. It really helped me get back on my feet.

Btw- what ages are your kids?

On 4/30/07 5:07 PM, " Kim " <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote:

Actually, my family is on food stamps and we have

had to get food from a food panty. I live in

Southern West Virginia, which is probably one of

the poorest areas in the country.

I totally understand what it means not to be able

to afford organic foods or all the fresh fruit

and vegetables you want.

Still, I feel proud of the fact that I've managed

to provide the healthiest choices I can afford

for my three children.

I utilize our local bakery, where I can buy whole

wheat bread, that normally costs $3 a loaf, for

$1 a loaf. I buy enough to last a month and

freeze it.

I shop at my local Save Alot and buy many things,

like canned fruits and vegetables for a

substantial discount over Kroger and other local

supermarkets. I bargain shop. I shop at local

farmers markets. We have a garden in the spring

and summer.

I do know poverty, and I do know how hard it is

to eat right when money is tight, but I still

contend that it can be done.

Kim

slightly embarrassed to think everyone now knows

my financial situation.

--- shilohashfork <shilohashfork@... <mailto:shilohashfork%40> >

May 1, 2007

I emailed Kim offline. Told her about our near miss with bankruptcy

after 3 ASD kids and 23 months unemployed. Many Americans teeter on

the brink - no shame in it when you're working as hard as you can and

doing your best. YOUR best - screw what the expectations of others

are.

I think Kim's name " Delicate flower " is a wink wink to someone - she

seems like a tough cookie to me - a cookie I respect and am proud to

know.

You all know I write, yes? If any of you has a story to share I'd be

honored to write about it. Anytime. Our stories are important.

Kim Stagliano, not a delicate flower either. >

> Kim,

>

> Please don¹t be embarrassed. I was almost homeless and on WIC when I

had my

> son and it REALLY helped because he was on Neutramagen- which is the

most

May 1, 2007

Hi ,

I have three. A 21 year old son with Aspergers,

and 17 year old NT daughter and , a 2 1/2

year old with autism

--- christine <christine@...>

wrote:

> Kim,

>

> Please don¹t be embarrassed. I was almost

> homeless and on WIC when I had my

> son and it REALLY helped because he was on

> Neutramagen- which is the most

> expensive formula there is. I also used to buy

> toys from Good Will & buy

> used clothes on Ebay. Thankfully there is an

> outlet near me with about 130

> stores- so I was able to get a lot of baby

> clothes on sale. I still shop

> there and it helps a lot. I¹ll never forget

> the help I got from WIC and

> Medicaid for almost 2 years. It really helped

> me get back on my feet.

>

> Btw- what ages are your kids?

>

> On 4/30/07 5:07 PM, " Kim "

> <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Actually, my family is on food stamps and we

> have

> > had to get food from a food panty. I live in

> > Southern West Virginia, which is probably one

> of

> > the poorest areas in the country.

> >

> > I totally understand what it means not to be

> able

> > to afford organic foods or all the fresh

> fruit

> > and vegetables you want.

> >

> > Still, I feel proud of the fact that I've

> managed

> > to provide the healthiest choices I can

> afford

> > for my three children.

> >

> > I utilize our local bakery, where I can buy

> whole

> > wheat bread, that normally costs $3 a loaf,

> for

> > $1 a loaf. I buy enough to last a month and

> > freeze it.

> >

> > I shop at my local Save Alot and buy many

> things,

> > like canned fruits and vegetables for a

> > substantial discount over Kroger and other

> local

> > supermarkets. I bargain shop. I shop at

> local

> > farmers markets. We have a garden in the

> spring

> > and summer.

> >

> > I do know poverty, and I do know how hard it

> is

> > to eat right when money is tight, but I still

> > contend that it can be done.

> >

> > Kim

> > slightly embarrassed to think everyone now

> knows

> > my financial situation.

> > --- shilohashfork <shilohashfork@...

> <mailto:shilohashfork%40>

> > >

>

__________________________________________________

May 1, 2007

I am single and do not have a lot of resources. I don't get child support and my annual salary is kinda sad. I lost a job about 6 months ago due to my having allergic reactions at school and I constantly had to go pick him up. A couple weeks later, I had no choice but to go to a food pantry and not one item was gluten or casein free('s GFCF but that's as far as I can afford to get with any bio-med at this time) and they gave me a $10.00 gift certificate to buy fruits and veggies. I was thankful, and I'm ok now but you make a good point about the poverty situation in this country. I struggle daily to keep my electric on and maintaining the diet would be impossible without foodstamps although there's not much GFCF selection at the regular grocery store so we have to be creative. I'm sure I'm not the only poor single mom with an autistic child but sometimes I feel very alone. All his Doctors are morons and when I try to talk to them about biomed they go on the

defensive. I dream of a day when bio-medical treatments are available to all people, regardless of their financial situation. My biggest fear is that I never become financially stable enough to get him to a DAN doc and start him on supplements. Although I plan to at least die trying. Chrissy

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out

new cars at Autos.

May 1, 2007

Hey, Kim and Kim, I wasn't trying to embarrass anyone! How do you

think I know about what is in food pantry boxes, and WIC? We live

it, too. I did mention that ours is a 100% poverty school and that

EVERY CHILD qualifies for free lunch? I did mean EVERY SINGLE

CHILD...

Imagine trying to eat healthy food when the only grocery store in

town is a convenience store. We travel an hour to the grocery store

(3 to a Whole Foods or similar store), but not everyone here has a

car. I was merely pointing out that while it CAN be done, not

everyone has the capability to do it. Many families don't have food

stamps here (too much documentation required for folks " off the

grid " who can't come up with the required papers - it took us 6

MONTHS with all of our ID! and then we lost it because of SSI). I

find it very disconcerting to be introduced to someone and the

introducer telling folks " they have electric AND a phone! "

Seriously, a very many don't have either here. BUT it is a healthy

place for my dc; no fertilizer, pesticides, industry, mold, etc. so

I am staying put... In NY, we were considered poor. Here we're

considered a more well-off family, LOL! No more money, just

different way of life...

Oh, no gardens here, either. The ground is too base and everything

we plant dies... farmers add a lot of sulphuric acid to grow

anything (several gallons per acre). And no water... not going to

sae money on a garden when a load of water costs $85...

In all honesty, eating healthy was a lot easier in NY where there

were grocery stores around. I could never have imagined a place

like this where a trip to a real store meant you HAD to have a car

and travel. No bakeries to buy day-old bread, no sales because

there's no competition, etc. I've been getting to know some of the

townies and getting to appreciate what life here means for them.

Yikes, am I ever grateful for our wheels!!

I guess I was only trying to say that we must be careful when

painting with a broad brush. Most folks can do it, that's my

opinion. But I am learning how next to impossible that can be for

others. Like the 70 year old g'ma who unexpectedly had her

grandkids dumped on her (that's just what the dad did). She applied

for FS and couldn't get them since she didn't have paperwork PROVING

they lived with her. No medicaid for the same reason. So she

stopped taking her heart pills to pay for food for the dc - and she

doesn't have a car. She doesn't have electricity. That means no

real refrigeration. Fine for her alone, but now she has the kids?

I guess I was just pointing out that not all situations are equal.

>

> I emailed Kim offline. Told her about our near miss with

bankruptcy

> after 3 ASD kids and 23 months unemployed. Many Americans teeter

on

> the brink - no shame in it when you're working as hard as you can

and

> doing your best. YOUR best - screw what the expectations of

others

> are.

>

> I think Kim's name " Delicate flower " is a wink wink to someone -

she

> seems like a tough cookie to me - a cookie I respect and am proud

to

> know.

>

> You all know I write, yes? If any of you has a story to share I'd

be

> honored to write about it. Anytime. Our stories are important.

>

> Kim Stagliano, not a delicate flower either. >

> > Kim,

> >

> > Please don¹t be embarrassed. I was almost homeless and on WIC

when I

> had my

> > son and it REALLY helped because he was on Neutramagen- which is

the

> most

>

May 1, 2007

I can’t believe that in 2007 there are families in America who don’t have electricity.

(Well, unless they live in the Gulf Coast) That’s so sad.

On 4/30/07 11:26 PM, " shilohashfork " <shilohashfork@...> wrote: