Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

[Guest guest]

That's the American way - no need to change your lifestyle, just take a

pill. It's great frustration among docs (with whom I rarely

sympathize.) The obese patient who smokes expects a pill to fix her

diabetes and heart disease as she eats a Ding Dong and smokes her

Virginia Not So Slims.....

Kim

[Guest guest]

But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding dongs

and smokes.

Children who should be taught proper nutrition and the value of

exercise.Not pop a pill and everything will be ok

They don't even have the Psychiatric label of Add or Adhd.Talk about

writing prescription off label. This is purely to lose weight. And

the " ding dong " parents are ok with it!

The mother was comparing pictures of the kid in different grades

commenting on how much better he " looked " .

No wonder we have a huge prescription drug problem in this country.

We are teaching children as early as grade school age to take drugs

to lose weight, take drugs to pay attention and behave, take drugs to

go to sleep, take drugs to get up, etc.....

>

> That's the American way - no need to change your lifestyle, just

take a

> pill. It's great frustration among docs (with whom I rarely

> sympathize.) The obese patient who smokes expects a pill to fix

her

> diabetes and heart disease as she eats a Ding Dong and smokes her

> Virginia Not So Slims.....

>

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

And here of course, we enter into the world of medical double

standards big-time. It's ok to kill some kids to get them to pay

attention or lose some weight but OH SO DANGEROUS to use chelators,

which have not killed a single child (and no, the PA situation was

the result of the wrong drug being used, not a " chelation death " ).

I run into plenty of pharma people in my life, just by virtue of the

fact that I live in pharma country. The best response when people

start talking about the dangers of chelation, which I hear alot,

is " and how many kids have you killed with Adderall? " You will

notice people absolutely FLINCH when you say the word " killed " , as if

that is somehow not true, or as if it's distasteful to bring it up.

And the insanity goes on....

Jenna

> >

> > That's the American way - no need to change your lifestyle, just

> take a

> > pill. It's great frustration among docs (with whom I rarely

> > sympathize.) The obese patient who smokes expects a pill to fix

> her

> > diabetes and heart disease as she eats a Ding Dong and smokes her

> > Virginia Not So Slims.....

> >

> > Kim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh I realize that - but the kids are the children of the parents who

are the fat ladies eating Ding Dongs and upping their insulin to even

out the sugar. Popping high blood pressure meds while they smoke.

That's my point. You think fat kids come from parents who eat

veggies and fruit all day? (I know you don't, that's rhetorical.)

If their parents had instilled good eating habits to begin with - or

not fallen prey to our " food in a box that must be hot pink or lime

green and coated in sugar or a sugar substitute that you can also use

to kill ants in a pinch " mentality their kids wouldn't need any diet

at all.

How many kids were obese when you were a kid? I remember two girls,

Cheryl K. and M were chubby. Today they'd be considered

svelte.

Believe me, I'm horrified at using Adderall for weight loss in

kids. God forbid we should ask why the kids are so fat to begin

with. And the pediatricians are embarrassed to scold Mom - after

all, we also live in a blameless and shameless society.

Dear God, I sound like an old poop today, don't I?

It's pure American thinking - Pop a pill, fix the problem. Why are

we surprised it has trickled down to the children?? It's just more

tragedy for already unhealthy kids.

You may go in peace to love and serve the Lord (winking at my fellow

Catholics who will get that....)

Kim

>

> But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding dongs

> and smokes.

[Guest guest]

Kim you are wrong. You are stereo-typing in a dangerous way. A way

in which us parents of children with autism are only a slippery-

slope away. " It's the parents fault. " Not all obese children have

obese parents. It's the content of most foods (including

pestisides, chemicals, colorings, and metals) that are a

contributing factor. Not everyone lives near or can afford a " Whole

Foods " grocery store. And just the way our children continue to be

damaged by the content of food, so do their's. Be careful condeming

parents. Look at school lunches. These kids may not have gotten

full blown autism from vaccines, but maybe their bodies are reacting

too. We don't know all the havoc they have reeked in their bodies.

And what of these " frustrated doctors " . Give me a break. They help

contrbute to the problems by prescribing drugs for everything, then

have the gall to turn up their noses to the parents for looking to

them to do what they do?! Where to they talk about nutritian? When

do they advocate vitamins for good health? Oh yeah, they don't!

I don't remember any obese kids in all my school years (graduated in

1985). Now, in my son's first grade class alone there are 2. Just

like none of us knew a child with autism growing up (or asthma, or

ADHD for that matter).

I am not over weight and neither are my children. But just like the

luck of the draw with autism - we only lucked out that they're not.

> >

> > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

dongs

> > and smokes.

>

[Guest guest]

Ugh and two things about this comment, " Popping high blood pressure

meds while they smoke. "

Popping pills - that their doctor prescribed and got a nice kickback

for. and

smoking - that the tobacco industry got her hooked on.

You are judging these parents in a way that you (and we) fight daily

to not be judged ourselves. Wow.

P

> >

> > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

dongs

> > and smokes.

>

[Guest guest]

First of all, yum to the ding-dongs

reference.

Second, have you guys seen that movie

about Mcs where the guy eats Mcs for 30 days and get sick as hell?

It was called “SuperSize Me”. It’s not Mc’s

fault that Americans are fat. They didn’t force you to drive there. nor

did anyone force you to allow your kid to eat garbage, such as school lunches.

When the schools qualify ketchup as a vegetable, you are out of your mind to

allow your kids to eat it. before you ask, we don’t have a whole foods

anywhere near us – almost 2 hours away I think, so we are certainly not

eating from there either. There is a middle ground. There is a choice and

most parents NEGLECT it for ease and convenience. That’s their choice. Just

like not exercising with their kids is a choice. Most kids are fat because

their parents create it and allow it and condone it with their own actions. You

can’t blame the schools or the doctors or anyone else for it. How you

raise your kids is your decision, and that includes obesity, food and all of

that stuff too.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of patriciaa_67

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:05

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Adderall and

weight loss in kids

Kim you are wrong. You are stereo-typing in a

dangerous way. A way

in which us parents of children with autism are only a slippery-

slope away. " It's the parents fault. " Not all obese children have

obese parents. It's the content of most foods (including

pestisides, chemicals, colorings, and metals) that are a

contributing factor. Not everyone lives near or can afford a " Whole

Foods " grocery store. And just the way our children continue to be

damaged by the content of food, so do their's. Be careful condeming

parents. Look at school lunches. These kids may not have gotten

full blown autism from vaccines, but maybe their bodies are reacting

too. We don't know all the havoc they have reeked in their bodies.

And what of these " frustrated doctors " . Give me a break. They help

contrbute to the problems by prescribing drugs for everything, then

have the gall to turn up their noses to the parents for looking to

them to do what they do?! Where to they talk about nutritian? When

do they advocate vitamins for good health? Oh yeah, they don't!

I don't remember any obese kids in all my school years (graduated in

1985). Now, in my son's first grade class alone there are 2. Just

like none of us knew a child with autism growing up (or asthma, or

ADHD for that matter).

I am not over weight and neither are my children. But just like the

luck of the draw with autism - we only lucked out that they're not.

> >

> > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

dongs

> > and smokes.

>

[Guest guest]

, I appreciate your conversation. But 2 and 3 year olds

don't put their food on their table. The parents do. This is is

indeed a function of what parents choose to pick up off the shelves.

Food doesn't have to be pricey, organic Whole Foods stuff to be

healthy. I can't afford to shop at Whole Foods either except for

some of hte GFCF foods we really need.

YES the foods are marketed to the kids in a fierce way. Yes, there

are far more crummy choices today than ever. And parents get a lot

of mized messages and little help from their docs. I agree with

you. And no, I don't think all parents of chubby kids are heavy -

but have you walked into a mall recently? Into a Six Flags or a movie

theatre and looked at the adults and the kids? Over 25% of

Americans are considered obese. It's a sad fact. Sad for their

health. I don't care how someone looks in her jeans. I care if a kid

or her mom can't walk up the stairs without huffing or puffing.

Thanks for the back and forth. It's, uh, " healthy! "

I DO tend to use extreme examples, I realize. Sort of my style of

writing. I'll take the blame for that!

> > >

> > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

> dongs

> > > and smokes.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The point is that you SHOULD be able to send you child to school and

eat the lunches without the risk of obesity. And 2 and 3 year olds

are not what I'm talking about (and that was not the age criteria in

the original post). Yes, it's the parents responsibility, but some

people aren't as lucky as those of us on this board to have the time

to spend pecking away into cyerspace let alone researching their

asses off about everything. You are looking at yourself only. Not

sure where you live but where I am there are many kids living below

the poverty line and they get their lunches for free. Their lunches

should be healthy...look at the most over weight population's socio-

economic situation. Poorest are usually the most over-weight.

You're not in those parents shoes.

You're just doing to them what other's do to us. No matter what you

do or how great you are for not having your child eat a school

lunch, it doesn't mean you have the right to put all of our fucked

up society's issues onto the parents only. Are we special because

we're the autism parents? It manifested as autism for our kids,

obesit for theirs.

WE (as in all of us) as a society need to realize what WE (as in all

of us) need to expect things (like healthy lunches).

I think it's the meds and shit in our foods that are making MOST of

these kids obese. Not the parents shoving foods down their throats.

P

> > >

> > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

> dongs

> > > and smokes.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Heck, I have to drive an hour to get to ANY store!

My oldest is built like a mac truck. Unfortunately for her, she's

female... Not a lot of fat,but really big. Now my other five are

skinny as rails. They all grew up in the same household. Only

difference is that the oldest is adopted while the younger are

bio... She's always lived with me, so it's not a difference in

diet...

It's not just food. We don't have TV (just videos) because we can't

get TV reception. We don't have computer games. We don't have game

boys or other electronic toys. My dc are outside instead of

zoning...

Now parents can do the right things and still end up with overweight

dc, especially as they get older and are out of the house more.

Hopefully if we instill in them healthy habits, those habits will

hold... but I don't think parents are to blame for 100% of the

obese dc. Most, probably! But not every single overweight child...

I am 44, and I do remember a few obese dc in our high school.

> > >

> > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

> dongs

> > > and smokes.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I was raised broke-ass, starting

being born at a welfare hospital, so, yes, I know what poor is and what it’s

not. It’s not an excuse not to be involved in your kid’s

life. My mom worked 12 hour days, night shift, 7 days a week and when the

schools screwed up, she was there. I had free lunch for many years

growing up. The schools only serve what the parents allow. If you

don’t like it, change it. Picket, run the PTA, go to the school PAC

meetings, fight the system and get it changed. Or send your kid with

lunch. It’s not ONLY the school’s responsibility. And that

has nothing to do with the internet. You go to the kid’s school,

the food looks like shit, you don’t let them eat it. Personal

choice and personal responsibility go hand in hand. Remember, we had

these kids. That was our choice. You can’t fault others for

OUR decisions either.

Yes, the cheapest foods are refined

sugars and wheat and dairy. Those things we don’t generally give

our ASD kids, but my other child doesn’t get them either. Life, and

it’s decisions, are a trickle down effect. You chose to have kids,

you chose to get the education you did, you chose to live where you live, you

choose the life you live, including the food you eat, every day. That’s

ok, but we can’t just blame the schools for their crap food. If your

kid was eating right the other 2 meals a day and getting exercise with you,

then the effect of school lunch would be very small. At the end of the

day, that kid is yours to make decisions for. Yours to teach how to make

good decisions for themselves. Responsibility is a bitch sometimes.

Holly

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of patriciaa_67

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:19

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Adderall and

weight loss in kids

The point is that you SHOULD be able to send you child

to school and

eat the lunches without the risk of obesity. And 2 and 3 year olds

are not what I'm talking about (and that was not the age criteria in

the original post). Yes, it's the parents responsibility, but some

people aren't as lucky as those of us on this board to have the time

to spend pecking away into cyerspace let alone researching their

asses off about everything. You are looking at yourself only. Not

sure where you live but where I am there are many kids living below

the poverty line and they get their lunches for free. Their lunches

should be healthy...look at the most over weight population's socio-

economic situation. Poorest are usually the most over-weight.

You're not in those parents shoes.

You're just doing to them what other's do to us. No matter what you

do or how great you are for not having your child eat a school

lunch, it doesn't mean you have the right to put all of our fucked

up society's issues onto the parents only. Are we special because

we're the autism parents? It manifested as autism for our kids,

obesit for theirs.

WE (as in all of us) as a society need to realize what WE (as in all

of us) need to expect things (like healthy lunches).

I think it's the meds and shit in our foods that are making MOST of

these kids obese. Not the parents shoving foods down their throats.

P

> > >

> > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

> dongs

> > > and smokes.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that your child SHOULD be able to eat school lunches and eat

something nutritious. I learned the hard way to never assume....

Some Minneapolis Public Schools feed all the children breakfast

together, because so many come from families living at or below

poverty level. I sent my son there for 3 years, assuming that the

autism staff was watching his intake. They did, in kindergarten and

first grade.

Last year in second grade, my son was sick a lot and started putting

on weight. Last summer we moved out of the district and I made sure

to give my son protein and fruit before school. Well, this year my

son lost weight, felt much better, and had no bronchial problems

(knock on wood).

Last fall my son mentioned how much he missed the chocolate chip

muffins he had for breakfast every day. " What about the egg

sandwiches or fruit? " I asked. " I didn't eat those, " he said.

- Hokkanen

> > > >

> > > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

> > dongs

> > > > and smokes.

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with you. I was an obese child

(and am an obese adult). Being fat, as a child,

was my parents fault. They bought the food,

cooked it,etc.

I made a conscious decision to try my hardest to

make my kids healthy eaters. So, we sat down for

dinner, cooked most things from scratch and junk

food and soda were a treat, not the norm. So was

fast food.

If I wanted junk and knew they kids had had

enough, I didn't eat it in front of them. Sick I

know, but better than dragging them down with me.

I also tried to promote fitness by limiting

TV/video game time and making them go outside and

play, as well as supporting them in team sports.

While I agree that some of us are probably more

prone to obesity through our genes, etc, it's our

choices that get us fat in the end.

Oh, and I raised my kids overseas. There weren't

any organic foods, just whatever the commissary

sold.

Kim

--- Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote:

> First of all, yum to the ding-dongs reference.

>

>

>

> Second, have you guys seen that movie about

> Mcs where the guy eats

> Mcs for 30 days and get sick as hell? It

> was called " SuperSize Me " .

> It's not Mc's fault that Americans are

> fat. They didn't force you to

> drive there. nor did anyone force you to allow

> your kid to eat garbage,

> such as school lunches. When the schools

> qualify ketchup as a vegetable,

> you are out of your mind to allow your kids to

> eat it. before you ask, we

> don't have a whole foods anywhere near us -

> almost 2 hours away I think, so

> we are certainly not eating from there either.

> There is a middle ground.

> There is a choice and most parents NEGLECT it

> for ease and convenience.

> That's their choice. Just like not exercising

> with their kids is a choice.

> Most kids are fat because their parents create

> it and allow it and condone

> it with their own actions. You can't blame the

> schools or the doctors or

> anyone else for it. How you raise your kids is

> your decision, and that

> includes obesity, food and all of that stuff

> too.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: EOHarm

> [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of

> patriciaa_67

> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:05 PM

> EOHarm

> Subject: Re: Adderall and weight loss

> in kids

>

>

>

> Kim you are wrong. You are stereo-typing in a

> dangerous way. A way

> in which us parents of children with autism are

> only a slippery-

> slope away. " It's the parents fault. " Not all

> obese children have

> obese parents. It's the content of most foods

> (including

> pestisides, chemicals, colorings, and metals)

> that are a

> contributing factor. Not everyone lives near or

> can afford a " Whole

> Foods " grocery store. And just the way our

> children continue to be

> damaged by the content of food, so do their's.

> Be careful condeming

> parents. Look at school lunches. These kids may

> not have gotten

> full blown autism from vaccines, but maybe

> their bodies are reacting

> too. We don't know all the havoc they have

> reeked in their bodies.

> And what of these " frustrated doctors " . Give me

> a break. They help

> contrbute to the problems by prescribing drugs

> for everything, then

> have the gall to turn up their noses to the

> parents for looking to

> them to do what they do?! Where to they talk

> about nutritian? When

> do they advocate vitamins for good health? Oh

> yeah, they don't!

>

> I don't remember any obese kids in all my

> school years (graduated in

> 1985). Now, in my son's first grade class alone

> there are 2. Just

> like none of us knew a child with autism

> growing up (or asthma, or

> ADHD for that matter).

>

> I am not over weight and neither are my

> children. But just like the

> luck of the draw with autism - we only lucked

> out that they're not.

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat

> lady who eats ding

> dongs

> > > and smokes.

> >

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of

Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. We

were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember

the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE.

Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box I

could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods to

save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier.

I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have the

choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a

minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.

It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the

HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the

shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more

difficult. I think that's rotten.

I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most

carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. It's a

joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to climb

the stairs.

As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be heavy

and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the

health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our

own...

Health and peace,

K

[Guest guest]

No, I don’t agree with this part.

No one chooses what you eat besides you. They only make what sells. If there

was no market for it, they’d make something else.

Aspartame is deadly as far as I am concerned.

My kids have NEVER had it. I don’t even buy sugar-free gum for myself.

I think it’s toxic.

It’s cheaper and healthier, though

less convenient, to eat like your grandparents did. Meat, starch, vege. Done.

No boxes, no microwaves, no fat-free, no sugar-free. But yes, it requires

self-control and common sense.

Not something I have all the time. lol

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of krstagliano

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:15

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Adderall and

weight loss in kids

By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the

introduction of

Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. We

were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember

the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE.

Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box I

could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods to

save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier.

I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have the

choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a

minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.

It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the

HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the

shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more

difficult. I think that's rotten.

I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most

carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. It's a

joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to climb

the stairs.

As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be heavy

and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the

health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our

own...

Health and peace,

K

[Guest guest]

Well, I was raised middle class and I grew up eating school lunches

and NO ONE was obese including the kids who were dirt poor. My kids

aren't over weight. BUT, this is not about ME (or YOU I should

say). I don't think you are getting my point.

Back when YOU and I were in school and ate the lunches, they weren't

as bad as they are now. Do YOU think your mom could have boycotted

the lunches? Or prepared a lunch for you every day? Maybe she

COULD have, but she didn't HAVE to in orde to keep her child from

becoming obese.

What I'm saying is that just the way we are told that vaccines are

safe to give our children, by the CDC, the FDA is saying all these

horrible preservatives in our foods are safe too. We are ALL at

risk. Some people do not understand that. Is is their fault or the

FDA????

IS IT OUR FAULT OUR CHILDREN HAVE AUTISM FROM THE VACCINES??????

> > > >

> > > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

> > dongs

> > > > and smokes.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So so true. If there are drugs in the neighborhood do we condem the

parents for living there or do we condem the drug dealers???? Same

goes for the food companies!

P

>

> By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of

> Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity.

We

> were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember

> the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE.

> Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box

I

> could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods

to

> save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier.

>

> I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have

the

> choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a

> minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.

>

> It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the

> HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the

> shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more

> difficult. I think that's rotten.

>

> I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most

> carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds.

It's a

> joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to

climb

> the stairs.

>

> As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be

heavy

> and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the

> health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our

> own...

>

> Health and peace,

>

> K

>

[Guest guest]

Holly good for you for knowing this:

Aspartame is deadly as far as I am concerned. My kids have NEVER

had it. I don't even buy sugar-free gum for myself. I think it's

toxic.

BUT, not everyone knows this! In fact most people do not know

this. Should we as Americans have to research everything in order

to stay alive?

I'll repeat, good for you! But not so good for all those other poor

bastards who don't have the resources to investigate and learn all

this.

Our foods have changed and because we are ASD parents we are more

aware than 99% of the rest of the population! We need to help

educate other parents, not judge them and call them fat slobs!

>

> No, I don't agree with this part. No one chooses what you eat

besides you.

> They only make what sells. If there was no market for it, they'd

make

> something else.

>

>

>

> Aspartame is deadly as far as I am concerned. My kids have NEVER

had it. I

> don't even buy sugar-free gum for myself. I think it's toxic.

>

>

>

> It's cheaper and healthier, though less convenient, to eat like

your

> grandparents did. Meat, starch, vege. Done. No boxes, no

microwaves, no

> fat-free, no sugar-free. But yes, it requires self-control and

common

> sense.

>

>

>

> Not something I have all the time. lol

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On

Behalf Of

> krstagliano

> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:15 PM

> EOHarm

> Subject: Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

>

>

>

> By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of

> Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. We

> were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember

> the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE.

> Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box

I

> could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods to

> save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier.

>

> I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have

the

> choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a

> minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.

>

> It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the

> HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the

> shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more

> difficult. I think that's rotten.

>

> I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most

> carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds.

It's a

> joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to

climb

> the stairs.

>

> As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be

heavy

> and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the

> health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our

> own...

>

> Health and peace,

>

> K

>

[Guest guest]

that's a great argument for communism. we can't be trusted with ourselves, so please take all chocies away!

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of patriciaa_67Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:06 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

So so true. If there are drugs in the neighborhood do we condem the parents for living there or do we condem the drug dealers???? Same goes for the food companies! P>> By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. We > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE. > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box I > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods to > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier. > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have the > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.> > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more > difficult. I think that's rotten.> > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. It's a > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to climb > the stairs. > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be heavy > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our > own...> > Health and peace,> > K>

[Guest guest]

please see my other post about communism.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of patriciaa_67Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:09 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

Holly good for you for knowing this:Aspartame is deadly as far as I am concerned. My kids have NEVER had it. I don't even buy sugar-free gum for myself. I think it's toxic. BUT, not everyone knows this! In fact most people do not know this. Should we as Americans have to research everything in order to stay alive? I'll repeat, good for you! But not so good for all those other poor bastards who don't have the resources to investigate and learn all this. Our foods have changed and because we are ASD parents we are more aware than 99% of the rest of the population! We need to help educate other parents, not judge them and call them fat slobs!>> No, I don't agree with this part. No one chooses what you eat besides you.> They only make what sells. If there was no market for it, they'd make> something else.> > > > Aspartame is deadly as far as I am concerned. My kids have NEVER had it. I> don't even buy sugar-free gum for myself. I think it's toxic. > > > > It's cheaper and healthier, though less convenient, to eat like your> grandparents did. Meat, starch, vege. Done. No boxes, no microwaves, no> fat-free, no sugar-free. But yes, it requires self-control and common> sense. > > > > Not something I have all the time. lol> > > > _____ > > From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of> krstagliano> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:15 PM> EOHarm > Subject: Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids> > > > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. We > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE. > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box I > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods to > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier. > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have the > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.> > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more > difficult. I think that's rotten.> > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. It's a > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to climb > the stairs. > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be heavy > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our > own...> > Health and peace,> > K>

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There are just so many ways our kids are the "canaries in the coalmine," wouldn't you say??? If I wasn't forced to learn about my son's POSSIBLE chemical sensitivities, then I would never have looked for alternative resources and stumbled upon this very information.MSG, Excitotoxins, Dyes......... all crap which cause behavioral problems.Roxpatriciaa_67 <cpand@...> wrote: Holly good for you for knowing this: Aspartame is deadly as far as I am concerned. My kids have NEVER had it

[Guest guest]

The nutritional value on a package is not written in a language only we

in the autism world can read. And we did not figure out that eating a

heap of french fries the size of a haystack or hamburger the size of a

hubcap means over eating because our kids have autism. Learning is a

choice.

It doesn't help when you're asked to " SUPERSIZE " everything you order

though, that's for sure. And I just read where one of the chains

decreased portion size for health and sales plummeted - so they put

more on the plate again. We're set up to fail, no doubt. That makes

eating healthy and in proper proportions more difficult.

[Guest guest]

COMMUNISM??? For assuring our foods aren't toxic???? HUH?

When they put cocaine into cola (in the 60's) should they have just

let the companies keep it in there (it was some good stuff no

doubt)? Or should they (being the FDA) have had the authority and

responsibility to take it out??? Why are toxic preservatives any

different.

This isn't about making good choices (ie: fruit over candy)

anymore. It's about chosing between fruit (that's been sprayed with

God knows what?) or candy (that's made from crap that tastes like

and probably is plastic). I was raised to be able to eat

candy...back when it really was candy.

And I'm not the smartest person around, but certainly educated and

and an older mom and I can't understand 1/2 the crap they put in

foods, so why should someone else??????

I'm not saying big brother here. If Aspartame is toxic, why is it

on the shelf????? Why should that even be a choice?????

Your argument about communism does not apply here. This isn't

protection from ourselves. It's protection from them. Just like we

need protection from the vaccine makers.

Why don't you see that the same applies to food? If trans fat is

toxic and causes obesity, why wouldn't our government have the

responsibility to warn people? On and on...

> >

> > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of

> > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity.

> We

> > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner.

Remember

> > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE.

> > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green

box

> I

> > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods

> to

> > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier.

> >

> > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have

> the

> > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a

> > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job

tougher.

> >

> > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have

the

> > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the

> > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more

> > difficult. I think that's rotten.

> >

> > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed

most

> > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds.

> It's a

> > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to

> climb

> > the stairs.

> >

> > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be

> heavy

> > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the

> > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our

> > own...

> >

> > Health and peace,

> >

> > K

> >

>

[Guest guest]

now, you are talking about a different thing. we were talking about obesity. now you are talking about food safety. i don't even want to get into the FDA and food safety. but back to the topic we were discussing, yes, what you put into your body is your choice. what you feed your kid is your choice too. that's all.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of patriciaa_67Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:12 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Adderall and weight loss in kids

COMMUNISM??? For assuring our foods aren't toxic???? HUH?When they put cocaine into cola (in the 60's) should they have just let the companies keep it in there (it was some good stuff no doubt)? Or should they (being the FDA) have had the authority and responsibility to take it out??? Why are toxic preservatives any different. This isn't about making good choices (ie: fruit over candy) anymore. It's about chosing between fruit (that's been sprayed with God knows what?) or candy (that's made from crap that tastes like and probably is plastic). I was raised to be able to eat candy...back when it really was candy.And I'm not the smartest person around, but certainly educated and and an older mom and I can't understand 1/2 the crap they put in foods, so why should someone else??????I'm not saying big brother here. If Aspartame is toxic, why is it on the shelf????? Why should that even be a choice?????Your argument about communism does not apply here. This isn't protection from ourselves. It's protection from them. Just like we need protection from the vaccine makers.Why don't you see that the same applies to food? If trans fat is toxic and causes obesity, why wouldn't our government have the responsibility to warn people? On and on...> >> > By the way, I have also said for YEARS that the introduction of > > Aspartame in the mid 1980's has contributed greatly to obesity. > We > > were told this sugar substitute would help us be thinner. Remember > > the hoopla surrounding diet Coke with Nutrasweet??? It was HUGE. > > Then came the Snackwells fat free craze = I bought every green box > I > > could find. And then high fructose corn syrup entered our foods > to > > save money on real sugar and we've gotten heavier and heavier. > > > > I DO blame the food companies to a large degree - but we do have > the > > choices of what to buy. I don't think its easy though. Not for a > > minute. Then you add getting older and that makes the job tougher.> > > > It is what we eat - but its hard to find foods that DON'T have the > > HFCS and even the artificial sweeteners. The products on the > > shelves are instant sabotage - and that makes losing weight more > > difficult. I think that's rotten.> > > > I have a family member with an obese child - she has removed most > > carbs under a docs care and the child has lost over 30 pounds. > It's a > > joy to see her not perspiring when she walks and to be able to > climb > > the stairs. > > > > As I said, I don't care about the cosmetic part - women can be > heavy > > and gorgeous and skinny skanks - it ain't the weight. It's the > > health part that upsets me for the kids. We grown ups are on our > > own...> > > > Health and peace,> > > > K> >>

[Guest guest]

I will defend personal choice and liberty any day over communism.

The point Holly didn't make is that you are relying on and expecting government

to make too many choices for you. They approved vioxx, thimerosal, etc.

We trust them blindly. Do you accept that they own your body? Exclude abortion

for the

sake of this discussion. You are ultimately responsible for your children. With

instant

information available via the internet, there are simply too many lame excuses

for poor

nutrition for our children. Do not have some government stooge take away my

personal

freedoms to decide for myself though.

> > >

> > > But Kim. these are children! Not some fat lady who eats ding

> dongs

> > > and smokes.

> >

>