Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 And their point is?????? do you know how many people die during open heart surgery... are we supposed to put every surgeon in jail? LiaSee what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I'm confused, and this story on this website isn't doing much to clarify for me what exactly happened here. It was my understanding that the drug that this doctor used, while similar in name to the chelating agent that is commonly used to chelate mercury in autistic patients, was not the same drug. Yes, he used the wrong drug. But not just the wrong drug for treating autism according to the traditional mainstream medical establishment. He used the wrong drug to chelate mercury in autistic individuals, according to most biomedical practitioners. Didn't he? They keep referring to the use of disodium EDTA, and EDTA, by Kerry, and saying that this is what caused the boy's death. And they seem to be using the terms interchangeably. Is disodium EDTA different from the chelating drug used to chelate mercury in autistic patients? >> Police Raid PA "Chelation" Doctor's Office > "He gave the wrong drug in the wrong dose and he gave it the wrong way."> > By C. Rittmeyer for Tribune-Review> http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_502280.html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Yes, he used the wrong drug completely. What he used is not for chelation. It was a medical error. It happens every day, in every state. I believe this case will be pushed by the pharma companies and the AAP. Bastards. From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Robin Nemeth Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:35 AM EOHarm Subject: Re: Police Raid PA " Chelation " Doctor's Office I'm confused, and this story on this website isn't doing much to clarify for me what exactly happened here. It was my understanding that the drug that this doctor used, while similar in name to the chelating agent that is commonly used to chelate mercury in autistic patients, was not the same drug. Yes, he used the wrong drug. But not just the wrong drug for treating autism according to the traditional mainstream medical establishment. He used the wrong drug to chelate mercury in autistic individuals, according to most biomedical practitioners. Didn't he? They keep referring to the use of disodium EDTA, and EDTA, by Kerry, and saying that this is what caused the boy's death. And they seem to be using the terms interchangeably. Is disodium EDTA different from the chelating drug used to chelate mercury in autistic patients? > > Police Raid PA " Chelation " Doctor's Office > " He gave the wrong drug in the wrong dose and he gave it the wrong way. " > > By C. Rittmeyer for Tribune-Review > http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_502280.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I guess that is to get more publicity for the 'damaging 'effects of this therapy. Keep milking any situation to get the most mileage out of it! Everyone will be hearing just how bad and risky that chelation is. ange Police Raid PA "Chelation" Doctor's Office Police Raid PA "Chelation" Doctor's Office "He gave the wrong drug in the wrong dose and he gave it the wrong way."By C. Rittmeyer for Tribune-Reviewhttp://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_502280.htmlState police this week searched the offices of a Mercer Countydoctor and seized a drug linked to the 2005 death of a 5-year-oldautistic boy.According to the search warrant application, state police alsocollected paperwork as part of an involuntary manslaughterinvestigation involving Dr. Roy E. Kerry. Investigators said Wednesdaythey are trying to determine the manner of Abubakar Tariq Nadama'sdeath in Kerry's County office.Nadama received a controversial autism treatment known aschelation at Kerry's Advanced Integrative Medicine Center inPortersville on Aug. 23, 2005. He suffered a heart attack afterreceiving an intravenous dose of disodium EDTA, short for ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid.Police searched Kerry's offices Monday and Tuesday, seizing abottle of EDTA, a copy of Kerry's medical license and forms detailingpolicies, procedures and medication lists, court records show. Policedeclined to comment on the searches.Kerry has not been charged with any crime. He still has hismedical license and is awaiting a trial on disciplinary chargesrelated to the case, brought in October by the Department of State."The bottom line is, at this juncture, it seems there'spotential for some type of litigation one way or the other," saidKerry's attorney, Kabbert said. "So I think it's premature forus to comment at this time."Kerry's County office was closed yesterday. Areceptionist who answered the phone at Kerry's Greenville office saidthe doctor would not comment.The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved EDTA only foracute heavy-metal poisoning. Some believe autism, a developmentaldisability, is linked to heavy metal exposure and that chelationtherapy can rid the body of those metals.In a report published last year, the U.S. Centers for DiseaseControl and Prevention warned against using disodium EDTA -- the typeused on Nadama -- because it also can rid the body of calcium. Anautopsy showed low calcium levels in Nadama's blood caused fataldamage to his heart muscle.Calcium disodium EDTA is the mainstay for chelation treatment inchildren, according to the CDC.A group of doctors who reviewed the case, including forensicpathologist Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, agree that the procedure performed onNadama "rose to the level of acting in a reckless and grosslynegligent manner," according to a police affidavit filed with thesearch warrant.A medical assistant who told investigators she administered thetreatment at Kerry's direction said she used an intravenous "push" --in which the drug is injected quickly into the bloodstream -- insteadof a "drip," which takes several hours, the affidavit states. IllinoisDr. Anju I. Usman, who investigators said recommended the treatment toKerry, said the disodium EDTA should never be "pushed," the affidavitstates.The CDC found two other deaths connected to chelation: A2-year-old Texas girl died in 2005 after she was mistakenly givendisodium EDTA for lead poisoning, and a 53-year-old Oregon woman diedin 2003 after she received EDTA."It's our feeling there were a lot of things that were donewrong," said Nadama family attorney Gismondi. "He was giving atreatment that's not an approved treatment for autism. He gave thewrong drug in the wrong dose and he gave it the wrong way." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 No, of course not. But this doctor used the wrong drug and administered it the wrong way, from what I've been reading. That's a malpractice suit if I ever saw one. In the least. It's up to the prosecutors if they decide it's also a criminal matter. However I hope that this doesn't become a witch hunt against all DAN doctors that practice some form of chelation. The majority of children receiving chelation (which is medically warranted) do very well in a carefully-monitored protocol. > > And their point is?????? do you know how many people die during open heart > surgery... are we supposed to put every surgeon in jail? Lia > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 To put it in perspective, 300 children have died after receiving Prevnar injections, according to VAERS. I think the number is about the same for flu vaccine given to patients of all ages. Those are numbers for just two vaccines, and as we know vaccine injuries are grossly under reported. > > Police Raid PA " Chelation " Doctor's Office > " He gave the wrong drug in the wrong dose and he gave it the wrong way. " > > By C. Rittmeyer for Tribune-Review > http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_502280.html > > State police this week searched the offices of a Mercer County > doctor and seized a drug linked to the 2005 death of a 5-year-old > autistic boy. > According to the search warrant application, state police also > collected paperwork as part of an involuntary manslaughter > investigation involving Dr. Roy E. Kerry. Investigators said Wednesday > they are trying to determine the manner of Abubakar Tariq Nadama's > death in Kerry's County office. > Nadama received a controversial autism treatment known as > chelation at Kerry's Advanced Integrative Medicine Center in > Portersville on Aug. 23, 2005. He suffered a heart attack after > receiving an intravenous dose of disodium EDTA, short for ethylene > diamine tetraacetic acid. > Police searched Kerry's offices Monday and Tuesday, seizing a > bottle of EDTA, a copy of Kerry's medical license and forms detailing > policies, procedures and medication lists, court records show. Police > declined to comment on the searches. > Kerry has not been charged with any crime. He still has his > medical license and is awaiting a trial on disciplinary charges > related to the case, brought in October by the Department of State. > " The bottom line is, at this juncture, it seems there's > potential for some type of litigation one way or the other, " said > Kerry's attorney, Kabbert said. " So I think it's premature for > us to comment at this time. " > Kerry's County office was closed yesterday. A > receptionist who answered the phone at Kerry's Greenville office said > the doctor would not comment. > The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved EDTA only for > acute heavy-metal poisoning. Some believe autism, a developmental > disability, is linked to heavy metal exposure and that chelation > therapy can rid the body of those metals. > In a report published last year, the U.S. Centers for Disease > Control and Prevention warned against using disodium EDTA -- the type > used on Nadama -- because it also can rid the body of calcium. An > autopsy showed low calcium levels in Nadama's blood caused fatal > damage to his heart muscle. > Calcium disodium EDTA is the mainstay for chelation treatment in > children, according to the CDC. > A group of doctors who reviewed the case, including forensic > pathologist Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, agree that the procedure performed on > Nadama " rose to the level of acting in a reckless and grossly > negligent manner, " according to a police affidavit filed with the > search warrant. > A medical assistant who told investigators she administered the > treatment at Kerry's direction said she used an intravenous " push " -- > in which the drug is injected quickly into the bloodstream -- instead > of a " drip, " which takes several hours, the affidavit states. Illinois > Dr. Anju I. Usman, who investigators said recommended the treatment to > Kerry, said the disodium EDTA should never be " pushed, " the affidavit > states. > The CDC found two other deaths connected to chelation: A > 2-year-old Texas girl died in 2005 after she was mistakenly given > disodium EDTA for lead poisoning, and a 53-year-old Oregon woman died > in 2003 after she received EDTA. > " It's our feeling there were a lot of things that were done > wrong, " said Nadama family attorney Gismondi. " He was giving a > treatment that's not an approved treatment for autism. He gave the > wrong drug in the wrong dose and he gave it the wrong way. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Exactly and the media needs to be made known of the finer points of this. It was a med error. period. AND I am tired of hearing people say " chelation " for autism. My child has heavy metal toxicity based on lab results and THAT is why I chelate him --autism or not. --also in this case the med was pushed quickly into his body, not slowly dripped... though, I am not sure slowly dripping it would have saved his life, it still would have pulled Calcium out of his body. I know I am preaching to the choir, but I am so sick of this story being twisted to their liking. W. > > I am not a physician and this is not medical advice but what I have > learned as a parent, so here is my understanding: > > The correct drug to use for heavy metal chelation is a form of EDTA > called calcium EDTA or CaEDTA. EDTA is used primarily to chelate lead. > > The mistake in the tragic case in Pennsylvania was using Na2EDTA or > disodium EDTA. This form of EDTA is used to pull calcium and is thought > by some to be therapeutic for persons with atherosclerosis - the drug > will pull calcium and some physicians think it will help clear diseased > arterial walls. > > For a child pulling calcium can cause cardiac arrest. That is why > Calcium EDTA must be used. > > This was a medical mistake but it is being exploited to discredit the > use of chelation in children. > > No one uses EDTA or chelation to treat autism. It is used to treat > heavy metal toxicity. If a child has heavy metal toxicity that caused > his or her autism symptoms may improve. But if the child's " autism " was > caused by something other than heavy metals - and the child is not > heavy metal toxic chelation is not appropriate. There must be a > determination of heavy metal toxicity before using chelation. > > THe CDC issued a report in the MMWR a year ago or so that contained > information consistent with the above notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Let's change the name from autism to metal-induced neurological disorder. MIND. > > > > I am not a physician and this is not medical advice but what I > have > > learned as a parent, so here is my understanding: > > > > The correct drug to use for heavy metal chelation is a form of EDTA > > called calcium EDTA or CaEDTA. EDTA is used primarily to chelate > lead. > > > > The mistake in the tragic case in Pennsylvania was using Na2EDTA or > > disodium EDTA. This form of EDTA is used to pull calcium and is > thought > > by some to be therapeutic for persons with atherosclerosis - the > drug > > will pull calcium and some physicians think it will help clear > diseased > > arterial walls. > > > > For a child pulling calcium can cause cardiac arrest. That is why > > Calcium EDTA must be used. > > > > This was a medical mistake but it is being exploited to discredit > the > > use of chelation in children. > > > > No one uses EDTA or chelation to treat autism. It is used to treat > > heavy metal toxicity. If a child has heavy metal toxicity that > caused > > his or her autism symptoms may improve. But if the child's " autism " > was > > caused by something other than heavy metals - and the child is not > > heavy metal toxic chelation is not appropriate. There must be a > > determination of heavy metal toxicity before using chelation. > > > > THe CDC issued a report in the MMWR a year ago or so that contained > > information consistent with the above notes. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I think as more evidence comes out against mercury and we get closer to the June VICP hearings which will be made public and create more shame for the CDC and Pharma, we can expect pharma and those that are responsible for the mercury mess will attempt to pour on the disinformation to try to save their behinds. -- In EOHarm , Krakow <rkrakow@...> wrote: > > I am not a physician and this is not medical advice but what I have > learned as a parent, so here is my understanding: > > The correct drug to use for heavy metal chelation is a form of EDTA > called calcium EDTA or CaEDTA. EDTA is used primarily to chelate lead. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Could someone explain to me in very simple terms what the hearing is about.... Like “autism hearing for dummies” Thanks On 4/12/07 11:29 AM, " " <rng777@...> wrote: I think as more evidence comes out against mercury and we get closer to the June VICP hearings which will be made public and create more shame for the CDC and Pharma, we can expect pharma and those that are responsible for the mercury mess will attempt to pour on the disinformation to try to save their behinds. -- In EOHarm <mailto:EOHarm%40> , Krakow <rkrakow@...> wrote: > > I am not a physician and this is not medical advice but what I have > learned as a parent, so here is my understanding: > > The correct drug to use for heavy metal chelation is a form of EDTA > called calcium EDTA or CaEDTA. EDTA is used primarily to chelate lead. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I don't think anything to do w/autism can be explained simply. I would start by picking up your copy of Evidence of Harm check the index: Vaccine Court and read. -- In EOHarm , christine <christine@...> wrote: > > Could someone explain to me in very simple terms what the hearing is > about.... > Like ³autism hearing for dummies² > > Thanks > > > > On 4/12/07 11:29 AM, " " <rng777@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think as more evidence comes out against mercury and we get closer to > > the June VICP hearings which will be made public and create more shame > > for the CDC and Pharma, we can expect pharma and those that are > > responsible for the mercury mess will attempt to pour on the > > disinformation to try to save their behinds. > > > > > > > > -- In EOHarm <mailto:EOHarm%40> , Krakow > > <rkrakow@> wrote: > >> > > >> > I am not a physician and this is not medical advice but what I have > >> > learned as a parent, so here is my understanding: > >> > > >> > The correct drug to use for heavy metal chelation is a form of EDTA > >> > called calcium EDTA or CaEDTA. EDTA is used primarily to chelate lead. > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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