Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Hey Kim, no one thinks your challenging the mercury theory in that way, I like to hear stories like yours b/c it makes me think It would be very possible for all the nasty air up here in PA/OH to drift down your way. ONE fish in the Ohio river has more mercury than one adult is " suppossed " to have in one week... it spreads out, so it possible. If you are working with a DAN! doc they should write the exemptions for you. also KD isn't mandatory anywhere is it? Kids do not have to be in school until 7 so you could postpone things that long (if possible for your situtation) just some thoughts On 3/29/07, Kim <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Hey Kim, no one thinks your challenging the mercury theory in that way, I like to hear stories like yours b/c it makes me think It would be very possible for all the nasty air up here in PA/OH to drift down your way. ONE fish in the Ohio river has more mercury than one adult is " suppossed " to have in one week... it spreads out, so it possible. If you are working with a DAN! doc they should write the exemptions for you. also KD isn't mandatory anywhere is it? Kids do not have to be in school until 7 so you could postpone things that long (if possible for your situtation) just some thoughts On 3/29/07, Kim <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 For the MMR you can say that the Vatican says to refuse these as the medium is aborted fetal tissue, tell them your child is chemically sensitive to radiator fluid and ask whomever if THEY would like to be vaccinated with formaldehyde -- yes embalming fluid. Besides the egg allergy, that should cover alot of them.RoxanneKim <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: West Virginia is definately full of coal mines. Doctors will write exemption letters, but they have to write them for each vax. I don't think I'd have a problem not doing the ones with egg products, because of 's allergy, but I doubt I can find a doctor who will write one saying that the vaccine itself might harm him, because that would be the same as saying vaccines are dangerous. At least a conventional doctor wouldn't do this. I'm hoping my DAN doctor will and plan to ask her to do this. I cannot afford to move. I probably haven't been as active in the fight for religious/philosophical exemption, but I keep up with those who are active. They've been trying to introduce a bill for several years. A lawsuit may be the next step. --- christine <christinelighthousestudios (DOT) info> wrote: > No plants or factories is West Virginia- isn¹t > it full of coal mines? > Plus- Kirby also talks about how the > mercury can travel thousands of > miles. > > You have some other choices- > > * get a doctor to write a note for a medical > exemption > * move > * change the law (talk to a-champ) > > BTW-kudos to you for standing up to everyone > > > > > On 3/29/07 10:00 PM, "Kim" > <delicateflower_kk > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I know what you're saying. Believe me, if I > > could take back every can of tuna I ate while > > pregnant, I would. Dummy me, I knew about > the > > risks of thermirisol, which is why I haven't > > vaxed the baby, but didn't think about the > > mercury in the fish. > > > > I live in the country in West Virginia. No > > plants or factories nearby, but who knows. I > do > > have alot of fillings. > > > > Really, I didn't come on here to challenge > the > > fact that mercury is dangerous and has no > > business being injected into our innocent > > children. I believe that whole-heartedly. > > > > If I didn't, I would have vaxed my son and > saved > > myself the time I spent trying to convince my > > husband we should vax (he understands now). > I > > would have done it and saved myself the > headache > > I see peering right over the horizon at me. > > > > Our state is one of only 2 in the nation that > > won't allow a parent not to vax for > > philisophical/religious reasons. Once > > ages out of Birth to Three next December, I > can > > either vax him (not going to happen), fake > his > > immunization record and hope I don't get > caught, > > because if I do, I could face charges not > only > > for faking the record, but also for > "endangering" > > my child, or I can keep him home and try to > get > > services without him being in the school > system. > > My family lives on a limited income, so > paying > > for these services will just not be possible, > nor > > can I afford a lawyer to sue the school > system > > for services. > > > > Sorry to be so long winded. I just want to > make > > it clear that I'm against vaccines because I > know > > they're dangerous. I'm so against them, I'm > > willing to possibly go to prison to keep my > child > > from getting them. > > > > Kim > > --- Webster <jwebs94gmail > <mailto:jwebs94%40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > Kim, where do you live? There is more > mercury > >> > pollution in the air in > >> > certain places (east texas, central PA... > Ohio, > >> > etc...) and god what ever > >> > you do dont eat the fish in these places! > >> > That could play a part. If you are living > >> > close to a plant that is spewing > >> > mercury into the air that could be a huge > >> > factor... check it out at > >> > scorecard.org and you can check it out. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 3/29/07, Kim > <delicateflower_kk > >> <mailto:delicateflower_kk%40> > > >> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > I have the situation you were asking > about. > >> > 1 > >>> > > child with Aspergers who received all > of his > >>> > > vaccines. He developed normally until > about > >> > 15 > >>> > > months or so, then stopped developing > >> > language, > >>> > > etc. The DSM was different then (1985). > By > >>> > > today's criteria he had classic autism. > >>> > > > >>> > > I now have a 2 1/2 year old that > received no > >>> > > vaccines who developed normally until > about > >> > 15 > >>> > > mos, then stopped developing language, > etc. > >> > He > >>> > > fits the criteria for classic autism. > >>> > > > >>> > > I feel pretty confident that my second > child > >> > was > >>> > > not vaxed without my consent, because I > went > >> > over > >>> > > the hospital forms and crossed the > consent > >> > for > >>> > > vax out and wrote in if he was vaxed I > would > >>> > > press assault and battery charges. I > was VERY > >>> > > adamant about him not being vaxed, or > getting > >>> > > those stupid eye drops, since I've > never had > >>> > > gonerrehea, but that's another story. > >>> > > > >>> > > The only commonality I can think of is > me as > >>> > > their mother and that I received > Demerol > >> > during > >>> > > both of their labors. > >>> > > > >>> > > My sons have different fathers. > >>> > > --- foxhairdo38 <wendtworth68aol > <mailto:wendtworth68%40aol.com> > >> > <wendtworth68%40aol.com>> wrote: > >>> > > > >>>> > > > Hospitals have been known to > vaccinate the > >> > Hep > >>>> > > > B shot without the > >>>> > > > parents consent, so how do these > people > >> > even > >>>> > > > know for sure that their > >>>> > > > child was never vaccinated? > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > I can provide evidence that > those who > >> > have > >>>> > > > researched this issue > >>>> > > > at great lengths do not > >>>>> > > > > know of a single child who has > regressed > >> > into > >>>> > > > autism after normal > >>>> > > > development other than > >>>>> > > > > through vaccine challenge. > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > Henry, > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > That jerk over at "Not Mercury" > blog > >> > claims > >>>> > > > to have a second son > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! 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Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 For the MMR you can say that the Vatican says to refuse these as the medium is aborted fetal tissue, tell them your child is chemically sensitive to radiator fluid and ask whomever if THEY would like to be vaccinated with formaldehyde -- yes embalming fluid. Besides the egg allergy, that should cover alot of them.RoxanneKim <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: West Virginia is definately full of coal mines. Doctors will write exemption letters, but they have to write them for each vax. I don't think I'd have a problem not doing the ones with egg products, because of 's allergy, but I doubt I can find a doctor who will write one saying that the vaccine itself might harm him, because that would be the same as saying vaccines are dangerous. At least a conventional doctor wouldn't do this. I'm hoping my DAN doctor will and plan to ask her to do this. I cannot afford to move. I probably haven't been as active in the fight for religious/philosophical exemption, but I keep up with those who are active. They've been trying to introduce a bill for several years. A lawsuit may be the next step. --- christine <christinelighthousestudios (DOT) info> wrote: > No plants or factories is West Virginia- isn¹t > it full of coal mines? > Plus- Kirby also talks about how the > mercury can travel thousands of > miles. > > You have some other choices- > > * get a doctor to write a note for a medical > exemption > * move > * change the law (talk to a-champ) > > BTW-kudos to you for standing up to everyone > > > > > On 3/29/07 10:00 PM, "Kim" > <delicateflower_kk > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I know what you're saying. Believe me, if I > > could take back every can of tuna I ate while > > pregnant, I would. Dummy me, I knew about > the > > risks of thermirisol, which is why I haven't > > vaxed the baby, but didn't think about the > > mercury in the fish. > > > > I live in the country in West Virginia. No > > plants or factories nearby, but who knows. I > do > > have alot of fillings. > > > > Really, I didn't come on here to challenge > the > > fact that mercury is dangerous and has no > > business being injected into our innocent > > children. I believe that whole-heartedly. > > > > If I didn't, I would have vaxed my son and > saved > > myself the time I spent trying to convince my > > husband we should vax (he understands now). > I > > would have done it and saved myself the > headache > > I see peering right over the horizon at me. > > > > Our state is one of only 2 in the nation that > > won't allow a parent not to vax for > > philisophical/religious reasons. Once > > ages out of Birth to Three next December, I > can > > either vax him (not going to happen), fake > his > > immunization record and hope I don't get > caught, > > because if I do, I could face charges not > only > > for faking the record, but also for > "endangering" > > my child, or I can keep him home and try to > get > > services without him being in the school > system. > > My family lives on a limited income, so > paying > > for these services will just not be possible, > nor > > can I afford a lawyer to sue the school > system > > for services. > > > > Sorry to be so long winded. I just want to > make > > it clear that I'm against vaccines because I > know > > they're dangerous. I'm so against them, I'm > > willing to possibly go to prison to keep my > child > > from getting them. > > > > Kim > > --- Webster <jwebs94gmail > <mailto:jwebs94%40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > Kim, where do you live? There is more > mercury > >> > pollution in the air in > >> > certain places (east texas, central PA... > Ohio, > >> > etc...) and god what ever > >> > you do dont eat the fish in these places! > >> > That could play a part. If you are living > >> > close to a plant that is spewing > >> > mercury into the air that could be a huge > >> > factor... check it out at > >> > scorecard.org and you can check it out. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 3/29/07, Kim > <delicateflower_kk > >> <mailto:delicateflower_kk%40> > > >> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > I have the situation you were asking > about. > >> > 1 > >>> > > child with Aspergers who received all > of his > >>> > > vaccines. He developed normally until > about > >> > 15 > >>> > > months or so, then stopped developing > >> > language, > >>> > > etc. The DSM was different then (1985). > By > >>> > > today's criteria he had classic autism. > >>> > > > >>> > > I now have a 2 1/2 year old that > received no > >>> > > vaccines who developed normally until > about > >> > 15 > >>> > > mos, then stopped developing language, > etc. > >> > He > >>> > > fits the criteria for classic autism. > >>> > > > >>> > > I feel pretty confident that my second > child > >> > was > >>> > > not vaxed without my consent, because I > went > >> > over > >>> > > the hospital forms and crossed the > consent > >> > for > >>> > > vax out and wrote in if he was vaxed I > would > >>> > > press assault and battery charges. I > was VERY > >>> > > adamant about him not being vaxed, or > getting > >>> > > those stupid eye drops, since I've > never had > >>> > > gonerrehea, but that's another story. > >>> > > > >>> > > The only commonality I can think of is > me as > >>> > > their mother and that I received > Demerol > >> > during > >>> > > both of their labors. > >>> > > > >>> > > My sons have different fathers. > >>> > > --- foxhairdo38 <wendtworth68aol > <mailto:wendtworth68%40aol.com> > >> > <wendtworth68%40aol.com>> wrote: > >>> > > > >>>> > > > Hospitals have been known to > vaccinate the > >> > Hep > >>>> > > > B shot without the > >>>> > > > parents consent, so how do these > people > >> > even > >>>> > > > know for sure that their > >>>> > > > child was never vaccinated? > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > I can provide evidence that > those who > >> > have > >>>> > > > researched this issue > >>>> > > > at great lengths do not > >>>>> > > > > know of a single child who has > regressed > >> > into > >>>> > > > autism after normal > >>>> > > > development other than > >>>>> > > > > through vaccine challenge. > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > Henry, > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > That jerk over at "Not Mercury" > blog > >> > claims > >>>> > > > to have a second son > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! 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Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 I remember reading, (please don't ask where, I spend so much time reading up on all this!) about a study that showed children on the spectrum having NT siblings with extremely high viral titers to measles. And we know that a vacinated person can be contagious to a non-vaccinated person with the weakened live vaccines. So it would not surprise me at all if you were to test the unvaccinated child and see some high viral titters, depending upon the age of the child and how much time has passed since exposure. That could very well cause a regression if you have the family history of auto-immune disease. > The difference between them is that one was > immunized and the other hasn't had any shots. > > This is not to say that I don't think the mercury > in vaccines is poison. I do. It's just clear > from my personal experience that there might be > more going on than problems caused by vaccines. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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