Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I cannot provide evidence that every single child who regressed into autism after normal development regressed from a vaccine challenge. I can provide evidence that those who have researched this issue at great lengths do not know of a single child who has regressed into autism after normal development other than through vaccine challenge. See Thrower's work and Veira Schreiber's work specifically; there are others. For those others, I just don't have them handy. You'll have to dig a little. If you have problems, e-mail me off post. This website contains most information you'll need. http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html As an aside, the above website is chock full of information related to vaccines, most of it critical. However, a cautionary note is that the CDC does not think this information is useful and does not use any of this information in their advertising campaigns. RE: katie wright Her voice isn't going to carry much more weight than yours or mine, ifit's not ever spoken to, picked up by, and disseminated by the mainstream media. > > , Thank you so much! Your sons regression was exactly what happened to my son. Your voice will carry a lot of weight and when some dont have the same power available they rely on those who do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Sara, My oldest, who is my autie, showed reactions to all his shots and delay around the time of the shots, looking back at home movies I can see that now (at first I claimed pure regressive autism, that he was fine and then BAM!) --I missed it then. BUT he would recover... he would catch back up, he was an only child and certainly was getting extensive one-on-one with me and my parents. but the nail in the coffin was a mercury laced DTaP (gee thanks, all the others had been DTP) along with his MMR at 15 months... BAM! that was it. I now have an unvaccinated 2.5 y/o who is advanced. No shots. and you know... I do agree that all forms of toxin contribute to autism, BUT I still think those " trace " amounts in shots are the main culprit. B/c of a few health things (reflux, eczema, etc) I think Liam is just as susceptible to autism as his brother. AND we live in a very bad county, very close to a mercury spewing plant. But liam is fine. Kids still get autism, even without the flu shots and the " trace " amounts (I have a friend in OH whose 2.5 y/o is autistic and had the " trace " shots and NO flu shot). Why isn't my NT son sick? I really think the vaccine in conjunction with the mercury are the culprit. somehow... by the way, I do not take Liam to the doctor at all... lol, every now and then I bump into him at the grocery store when Liam is with me and I say, " see he's fine! " He hasn't been since last year when he had a hydrocele/herniation that needed surgery He is super healthy and super smart. why mess that up with well baby checks? I had the same worries as you when he was 10 months old... as certain as I was that it is the vaccines I would still let my mind wonder, but don't sweat it. really don't! jenny w. On 3/28/07, Brett & Sara Reider <thereiderfamily@...> wrote: > I can provide evidence that those who have researched this issue at great lengths do not know of a single child who has regressed into autism after normal development other than through vaccine challenge. Henry,That jerk over at " Not Mercury " blog claims to have a second son who regressed into autism without vaccination. http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.htmlSee " I Was Wrong " My son had " classic " autism - but that isn't to say he wasn't injured early. HepB on day one or the 6 he got at 2 months could have done it. I'll never know for sure. I just know that looking back at video - I can see signs as early as 3 months old. And before that he had extreme colic.My second son was not vaccinated at all. He is 10 months - and perfectly NT. So different than his brother. An amazingly different experience for us! I get nervous when I hear about regressive autism...but I feel like we are safe. I feel like he would have presented the same as his brother if it were going to happen " genetically " . I would be interested to know in families where there is more than one autistic child - if all were regressive or a mix of regressive and classic. I've never seen that discussed before.Sara -- M. Webster814-644-3564 Autism IS Treatablehttp://www.generationrescue.orghttp://www.putchildrenfirst.orgBe ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. --Horace Mann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Rephrase: "honest researchers who have looked at this issue at great length"... [sPAM?] Re: katie wright > I can provide evidence that those who have researched this issue at great lengths do not know of a single child who has regressed into autism after normal development other than through vaccine challenge.Henry,That jerk over at "Not Mercury" blog claims to have a second son who regressed into autism without vaccination. http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.htmlSee "I Was Wrong"My son had "classic" autism - but that isn't to say he wasn't injured early. HepB on day one or the 6 he got at 2 months could have done it. I'll never know for sure. I just know that looking back at video - I can see signs as early as 3 months old. And before that he had extreme colic.My second son was not vaccinated at all. He is 10 months - and perfectly NT. So different than his brother. An amazingly different experience for us! I get nervous when I hear about regressive autism...but I feel like we are safe. I feel like he would have presented the same as his brother if it were going to happen "genetically". I would be interested to know in families where there is more than one autistic child - if all were regressive or a mix of regressive and classic. I've never seen that discussed before.Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 My personal opinion is there are other enviromental factors that could have caused your other child....detergents, food, Lysol (which is actually listed as a pesticide), and other household chemicals that we have been raised to thinking are "harmless" but could in fact be poisoning the air we breathe. I am in NO way saying that your house in poisoned!!! ") Just that with all I have read that I think this can definitely played a rolll! And while I am going, I am just as concerned about the aluminum that is in vaccines! It is known to cause neurological damage as well! Thanks for reading! Can you tell that I do not get to talk to adults very often??? HUGS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 How many years between them? How much close physical contact going on (Baths together?) between them? From: Kim <delicateflower_kk@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: [sPAM?] Re: katie wrightDate: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT) I just joined this group and was thinking aboutmy situation in regards to vaccines. I have twochildren on the spectrum. Both developednormally and then regressed about 12-18 mos.The difference between them is that one wasimmunized and the other hasn't had any shots.This is not to say that I don't think the mercuryin vaccines is poison. I do. It's just clearfrom my personal experience that there might bemore going on than problems caused by vaccines.Kim --- <reneereprogfx> wrote:> ,> neither here nor there.. but the million dollar> question... were they > (all 5 kids) all immunized?> > > > >> > > > I can provide evidence that those who> have researched this > issue > > at great lengths do not > > > know of a single child who has regressed> into autism after normal > > development other than > > > through vaccine challenge.> > > > > > Henry,> > > > > > That jerk over at "Not Mercury" blog claims> to have a second son > > who regressed into > > > autism without vaccination. > > > > > >>http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html> > > See "I Was Wrong"> > > > > > My son had "classic" autism - but that> isn't to say he wasn't > > injured early. HepB on day one > > > or the 6 he got at 2 months could have done> it. I'll never know > > for sure. I just know that > > > looking back at video - I can see signs as> early as 3 months old. > > And before that he had > > > extreme colic.> > > > > > My second son was not vaccinated at all. He> is 10 months - and > > perfectly NT. So different > > > than his brother. An amazingly different> experience for us! I get > > nervous when I hear > > > about regressive autism...but I feel like> we are safe. I feel > like > > he would have presented the > > > same as his brother if it were going to> happen "genetically". > > > > > > I would be interested to know in families> where there is more > than > > one autistic child - if all > > > were regressive or a mix of regressive and> classic. I've never > > seen that discussed before.> > > > > > Sara> > >> >> > > __________________________________________________________Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center.http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Kim, where do you live? There is more mercury pollution in the air in certain places (east texas, central PA... Ohio, etc...) and god what ever you do dont eat the fish in these places! That could play a part. If you are living close to a plant that is spewing mercury into the air that could be a huge factor... check it out at scorecard.org and you can check it out. On 3/29/07, Kim <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: I have the situation you were asking about. 1child with Aspergers who received all of hisvaccines. He developed normally until about 15months or so, then stopped developing language,etc. The DSM was different then (1985). By today's criteria he had classic autism.I now have a 2 1/2 year old that received novaccines who developed normally until about 15mos, then stopped developing language, etc. Hefits the criteria for classic autism. I feel pretty confident that my second child wasnot vaxed without my consent, because I went overthe hospital forms and crossed the consent forvax out and wrote in if he was vaxed I wouldpress assault and battery charges. I was VERY adamant about him not being vaxed, or gettingthose stupid eye drops, since I've never hadgonerrehea, but that's another story.The only commonality I can think of is me astheir mother and that I received Demerol during both of their labors.My sons have different fathers. --- foxhairdo38 <wendtworth68@...> wrote: > Hospitals have been known to vaccinate the Hep> B shot without the > parents consent, so how do these people even> know for sure that their > child was never vaccinated?> > > > > >> > > I can provide evidence that those who have> researched this issue > at great lengths do not > > know of a single child who has regressed into> autism after normal > development other than > > through vaccine challenge.> > > > Henry,> > > > That jerk over at " Not Mercury " blog claims> to have a second son > who regressed into > > autism without vaccination. > > > >> http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html> > See " I Was Wrong " > > > > My son had " classic " autism - but that isn't> to say he wasn't > injured early. HepB on day one > > or the 6 he got at 2 months could have done> it. I'll never know for > sure. I just know that > > looking back at video - I can see signs as> early as 3 months old. > And before that he had > > extreme colic.> > > > My second son was not vaccinated at all. He> is 10 months - and > perfectly NT. So different > > than his brother. An amazingly different > experience for us! I get > nervous when I hear > > about regressive autism...but I feel like we> are safe. I feel like > he would have presented the > > same as his brother if it were going to > happen " genetically " . > > > > I would be interested to know in families> where there is more than > one autistic child - if all > > were regressive or a mix of regressive and > classic. I've never seen > that discussed before.> > > > Sara> >> > > __________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 -- M. Webster814-644-3564 Autism IS Treatablehttp://www.generationrescue.orghttp://www.putchildrenfirst.orgBe ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. --Horace Mann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 The number of maternal dental amalgams could also play a part, and possibly whether any dental work involving amalgams was done during the pregnancy. Aasa (with a mouth full of mercury) Webster <jwebs94@...> wrote: Kim, where do you live? There is more mercury pollution in the air in certain places (east texas, central PA... Ohio, etc...) and god what ever you do dont eat the fish in these places! That could play a part. If you are living close to a plant that is spewing mercury into the air that could be a huge factor... check it out at scorecard.org and you can check it out. On 3/29/07, Kim <delicateflower_kk > wrote: I have the situation you were asking about. 1child with Aspergers who received all of hisvaccines. He developed normally until about 15months or so, then stopped developing language,etc. The DSM was different then (1985). By today's criteria he had classic autism.I now have a 2 1/2 year old that received novaccines who developed normally until about 15mos, then stopped developing language, etc. Hefits the criteria for classic autism. I feel pretty confident that my second child wasnot vaxed without my consent, because I went overthe hospital forms and crossed the consent forvax out and wrote in if he was vaxed I wouldpress assault and battery charges. I was VERY adamant about him not being vaxed, or gettingthose stupid eye drops, since I've never hadgonerrehea, but that's another story.The only commonality I can think of is me astheir mother and that I received Demerol during both of their labors.My sons have different fathers. --- foxhairdo38 <wendtworth68aol> wrote:> Hospitals have been known to vaccinate the Hep> B shot without the > parents consent, so how do these people even> know for sure that their > child was never vaccinated?> > > > > >> > > I can provide evidence that those who have> researched this issue > at great lengths do not > > know of a single child who has regressed into> autism after normal > development other than > > through vaccine challenge.> > > > Henry,> > > > That jerk over at "Not Mercury" blog claims> to have a second son > who regressed into > > autism without vaccination. > > > >>http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html> > See "I Was Wrong"> > > > My son had "classic" autism - but that isn't> to say he wasn't > injured early. HepB on day one > > or the 6 he got at 2 months could have done> it. I'll never know for > sure. I just know that > > looking back at video - I can see signs as> early as 3 months old. > And before that he had > > extreme colic.> > > > My second son was not vaccinated at all. He> is 10 months - and > perfectly NT. So different > > than his brother. An amazingly different> experience for us! I get > nervous when I hear > > about regressive autism...but I feel like we> are safe. I feel like > he would have presented the > > same as his brother if it were going to > happen "genetically". > > > > I would be interested to know in families> where there is more than > one autistic child - if all > > were regressive or a mix of regressive and > classic. I've never seen > that discussed before.> > > > Sara> >> > > __________________________________________________________Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 -- M. Webster814-644-3564 Autism IS Treatablehttp://www.generationrescue.orghttp://www.putchildrenfirst.orgBe ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. --Horace Mann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 There's 18 years between them. When was born, Damien was away at school, so only saw him a couple of days out of the month. Damien is at home now, and does spend time with , but not an inordinate amount. They have never bathed together, don't share food, and kiss once a day, usually on the cheek, when goes to bed. I'm stumped, and heartbroken. We are working with now, and he has an appt with a DAN doctor in a few weeks. Kim --- elevatordance <elevatordance@...> wrote: --------------------------------- How many years between them? How much close physical contact going on (Baths together?) between them? --------------------------------- From: Kim <delicateflower_kk@...> Reply-EOHarm EOHarm Subject: Re: [sPAM?] Re: katie wright Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT) I just joined this group and was thinking about my situation in regards to vaccines. I have two children on the spectrum. Both developed normally and then regressed about 12-18 mos. The difference between them is that one was immunized and the other hasn't had any shots. This is not to say that I don't think the mercury in vaccines is poison. I do. It's just clear from my personal experience that there might be more going on than problems caused by vaccines. Kim --- <renee@...> wrote: > , > neither here nor there.. but the million dollar > question... were they > (all 5 kids) all immunized? > > > > > > > > > I can provide evidence that those who > have researched this > issue > > at great lengths do not > > > know of a single child who has regressed > into autism after normal > > development other than > > > through vaccine challenge. > > > > > > Henry, > > > > > > That jerk over at " Not Mercury " blog claims > to have a second son > > who regressed into > > > autism without vaccination. > > > > > > > http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html > > > See " I Was Wrong " > > > > > > My son had " classic " autism - but that > isn't to say he wasn't > > injured early. HepB on day one > > > or the 6 he got at 2 months could have done > it. I'll never know > > for sure. I just know that > > > looking back at video - I can see signs as > early as 3 months old. > > And before that he had > > > extreme colic. > > > > > > My second son was not vaccinated at all. He > is 10 months - and > > perfectly NT. So different > > > than his brother. An amazingly different > experience for us! I get > > nervous when I hear > > > about regressive autism...but I feel like > we are safe. I feel > like > > he would have presented the > > > same as his brother if it were going to > happen " genetically " . > > > > > > I would be interested to know in families > where there is more > than > > one autistic child - if all > > > were regressive or a mix of regressive and > classic. I've never > > seen that discussed before. > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile./mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 I know what you're saying. Believe me, if I could take back every can of tuna I ate while pregnant, I would. Dummy me, I knew about the risks of thermirisol, which is why I haven't vaxed the baby, but didn't think about the mercury in the fish. I live in the country in West Virginia. No plants or factories nearby, but who knows. I do have alot of fillings. Really, I didn't come on here to challenge the fact that mercury is dangerous and has no business being injected into our innocent children. I believe that whole-heartedly. If I didn't, I would have vaxed my son and saved myself the time I spent trying to convince my husband we should vax (he understands now). I would have done it and saved myself the headache I see peering right over the horizon at me. Our state is one of only 2 in the nation that won't allow a parent not to vax for philisophical/religious reasons. Once ages out of Birth to Three next December, I can either vax him (not going to happen), fake his immunization record and hope I don't get caught, because if I do, I could face charges not only for faking the record, but also for " endangering " my child, or I can keep him home and try to get services without him being in the school system. My family lives on a limited income, so paying for these services will just not be possible, nor can I afford a lawyer to sue the school system for services. Sorry to be so long winded. I just want to make it clear that I'm against vaccines because I know they're dangerous. I'm so against them, I'm willing to possibly go to prison to keep my child from getting them. Kim --- Webster <jwebs94@...> wrote: > Kim, where do you live? There is more mercury > pollution in the air in > certain places (east texas, central PA... Ohio, > etc...) and god what ever > you do dont eat the fish in these places! > That could play a part. If you are living > close to a plant that is spewing > mercury into the air that could be a huge > factor... check it out at > scorecard.org and you can check it out. > > > On 3/29/07, Kim <delicateflower_kk@...> > wrote: > > > > I have the situation you were asking about. > 1 > > child with Aspergers who received all of his > > vaccines. He developed normally until about > 15 > > months or so, then stopped developing > language, > > etc. The DSM was different then (1985). By > > today's criteria he had classic autism. > > > > I now have a 2 1/2 year old that received no > > vaccines who developed normally until about > 15 > > mos, then stopped developing language, etc. > He > > fits the criteria for classic autism. > > > > I feel pretty confident that my second child > was > > not vaxed without my consent, because I went > over > > the hospital forms and crossed the consent > for > > vax out and wrote in if he was vaxed I would > > press assault and battery charges. I was VERY > > adamant about him not being vaxed, or getting > > those stupid eye drops, since I've never had > > gonerrehea, but that's another story. > > > > The only commonality I can think of is me as > > their mother and that I received Demerol > during > > both of their labors. > > > > My sons have different fathers. > > --- foxhairdo38 <wendtworth68@... > <wendtworth68%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > Hospitals have been known to vaccinate the > Hep > > > B shot without the > > > parents consent, so how do these people > even > > > know for sure that their > > > child was never vaccinated? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can provide evidence that those who > have > > > researched this issue > > > at great lengths do not > > > > know of a single child who has regressed > into > > > autism after normal > > > development other than > > > > through vaccine challenge. > > > > > > > > Henry, > > > > > > > > That jerk over at " Not Mercury " blog > claims > > > to have a second son > > > who regressed into > > > > autism without vaccination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html > > > > See " I Was Wrong " > > > > > > > > My son had " classic " autism - but that > isn't > > > to say he wasn't > > > injured early. HepB on day one > > > > or the 6 he got at 2 months could have > done > > > it. I'll never know for > > > sure. I just know that > > > > looking back at video - I can see signs > as > > > early as 3 months old. > > > And before that he had > > > > extreme colic. > > > > > > > > My second son was not vaccinated at all. > He > > > is 10 months - and > > > perfectly NT. So different > > > > than his brother. An amazingly different > > > experience for us! I get > > > nervous when I hear > > > > about regressive autism...but I feel like > we > > > are safe. I feel like > > > he would have presented the > > > > same as his brother if it were going to > > > happen " genetically " . > > > > > > > > I would be interested to know in families > > > where there is more than > > > one autistic child - if all > > > > were regressive or a mix of regressive > and > > > classic. I've never seen > > > that discussed before. > > > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let FareChase search your favorite > travel sites to find flight and > > hotel bargains. > > > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > > > > -- > M. Webster > 814-644-3564 > Autism IS Treatable > http://www.generationrescue.org > http://www.putchildrenfirst.org > > Be ashamed to die until you have won some > victory for humanity. > --Horace Mann > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 No plants or factories is West Virginia- isn’t it full of coal mines? Plus- Kirby also talks about how the mercury can travel thousands of miles. You have some other choices- get a doctor to write a note for a medical exemption move change the law (talk to a-champ) BTW-kudos to you for standing up to everyone On 3/29/07 10:00 PM, " Kim " <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: I know what you're saying. Believe me, if I could take back every can of tuna I ate while pregnant, I would. Dummy me, I knew about the risks of thermirisol, which is why I haven't vaxed the baby, but didn't think about the mercury in the fish. I live in the country in West Virginia. No plants or factories nearby, but who knows. I do have alot of fillings. Really, I didn't come on here to challenge the fact that mercury is dangerous and has no business being injected into our innocent children. I believe that whole-heartedly. If I didn't, I would have vaxed my son and saved myself the time I spent trying to convince my husband we should vax (he understands now). I would have done it and saved myself the headache I see peering right over the horizon at me. Our state is one of only 2 in the nation that won't allow a parent not to vax for philisophical/religious reasons. Once ages out of Birth to Three next December, I can either vax him (not going to happen), fake his immunization record and hope I don't get caught, because if I do, I could face charges not only for faking the record, but also for " endangering " my child, or I can keep him home and try to get services without him being in the school system. My family lives on a limited income, so paying for these services will just not be possible, nor can I afford a lawyer to sue the school system for services. Sorry to be so long winded. I just want to make it clear that I'm against vaccines because I know they're dangerous. I'm so against them, I'm willing to possibly go to prison to keep my child from getting them. Kim --- Webster <jwebs94@... <mailto:jwebs94%40gmail.com> > wrote: > Kim, where do you live? There is more mercury > pollution in the air in > certain places (east texas, central PA... Ohio, > etc...) and god what ever > you do dont eat the fish in these places! > That could play a part. If you are living > close to a plant that is spewing > mercury into the air that could be a huge > factor... check it out at > scorecard.org and you can check it out. > > > On 3/29/07, Kim <delicateflower_kk@... <mailto:delicateflower_kk%40> > > wrote: > > > > I have the situation you were asking about. > 1 > > child with Aspergers who received all of his > > vaccines. He developed normally until about > 15 > > months or so, then stopped developing > language, > > etc. The DSM was different then (1985). By > > today's criteria he had classic autism. > > > > I now have a 2 1/2 year old that received no > > vaccines who developed normally until about > 15 > > mos, then stopped developing language, etc. > He > > fits the criteria for classic autism. > > > > I feel pretty confident that my second child > was > > not vaxed without my consent, because I went > over > > the hospital forms and crossed the consent > for > > vax out and wrote in if he was vaxed I would > > press assault and battery charges. I was VERY > > adamant about him not being vaxed, or getting > > those stupid eye drops, since I've never had > > gonerrehea, but that's another story. > > > > The only commonality I can think of is me as > > their mother and that I received Demerol > during > > both of their labors. > > > > My sons have different fathers. > > --- foxhairdo38 <wendtworth68@... <mailto:wendtworth68%40aol.com> > <wendtworth68%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > Hospitals have been known to vaccinate the > Hep > > > B shot without the > > > parents consent, so how do these people > even > > > know for sure that their > > > child was never vaccinated? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can provide evidence that those who > have > > > researched this issue > > > at great lengths do not > > > > know of a single child who has regressed > into > > > autism after normal > > > development other than > > > > through vaccine challenge. > > > > > > > > Henry, > > > > > > > > That jerk over at " Not Mercury " blog > claims > > > to have a second son > > > who regressed into > > > > autism without vaccination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html > > > > See " I Was Wrong " > > > > > > > > My son had " classic " autism - but that > isn't > > > to say he wasn't > > > injured early. HepB on day one > > > > or the 6 he got at 2 months could have > done > > > it. I'll never know for > > > sure. I just know that > > > > looking back at video - I can see signs > as > > > early as 3 months old. > > > And before that he had > > > > extreme colic. > > > > > > > > My second son was not vaccinated at all. > He > > > is 10 months - and > > > perfectly NT. So different > > > > than his brother. An amazingly different > > > experience for us! I get > > > nervous when I hear > > > > about regressive autism...but I feel like > we > > > are safe. I feel like > > > he would have presented the > > > > same as his brother if it were going to > > > happen " genetically " . > > > > > > > > I would be interested to know in families > > > where there is more than > > > one autistic child - if all > > > > were regressive or a mix of regressive > and > > > classic. I've never seen > > > that discussed before. > > > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let FareChase search your favorite > travel sites to find flight and > > hotel bargains. > > > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > > > > -- > M. Webster > 814-644-3564 > Autism IS Treatable > http://www.generationrescue.org > http://www.putchildrenfirst.org > > Be ashamed to die until you have won some > victory for humanity. > --Horace Mann > __________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 I am not a lawyer but I have a hard time thinking that West Virginia's no exception policy could withstand judicial scrutiny. The Constitutional underpinning for mandatory vaccination is a century old and concerned small pox, a deadly and highly communicable disease, not sexually transmitted diseases like hepatitis b or diseases where there is no evidence that the disease is worse than the vaccine like chicken pox. I think it may be an appropriate time for we as a community to start challenging in court mandatory vaccination laws. I think this is something that a growing number of health rights groups would support. You might want to start thinking about whether you would want to file such a suit. And we need to think about how we could support suchj a suit materially and politically. > > > > > > > > > > > I can provide evidence that those who > > have > > > > researched this issue > > > > at great lengths do not > > > > > know of a single child who has regressed > > into > > > > autism after normal > > > > development other than > > > > > through vaccine challenge. > > > > > > > > > > Henry, > > > > > > > > > > That jerk over at " Not Mercury " blog > > claims > > > > to have a second son > > > > who regressed into > > > > > autism without vaccination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html > > > > > See " I Was Wrong " > > > > > > > > > > My son had " classic " autism - but that > > isn't > > > > to say he wasn't > > > > injured early. HepB on day one > > > > > or the 6 he got at 2 months could have > > done > > > > it. I'll never know for > > > > sure. I just know that > > > > > looking back at video - I can see signs > > as > > > > early as 3 months old. > > > > And before that he had > > > > > extreme colic. > > > > > > > > > > My second son was not vaccinated at all. > > He > > > > is 10 months - and > > > > perfectly NT. So different > > > > > than his brother. An amazingly different > > > > experience for us! I get > > > > nervous when I hear > > > > > about regressive autism...but I feel like > > we > > > > are safe. I feel like > > > > he would have presented the > > > > > same as his brother if it were going to > > > > happen " genetically " . > > > > > > > > > > I would be interested to know in families > > > > where there is more than > > > > one autistic child - if all > > > > > were regressive or a mix of regressive > > and > > > > classic. I've never seen > > > > that discussed before. > > > > > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > Let FareChase search your favorite > > travel sites to find flight and > > > hotel bargains. > > > > > > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > M. Webster > > 814-644-3564 > > Autism IS Treatable > > http://www.generationrescue.org > > http://www.putchildrenfirst.org > > > > Be ashamed to die until you have won some > > victory for humanity. > > --Horace Mann > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 West Virginia is definately full of coal mines. Doctors will write exemption letters, but they have to write them for each vax. I don't think I'd have a problem not doing the ones with egg products, because of 's allergy, but I doubt I can find a doctor who will write one saying that the vaccine itself might harm him, because that would be the same as saying vaccines are dangerous. At least a conventional doctor wouldn't do this. I'm hoping my DAN doctor will and plan to ask her to do this. I cannot afford to move. I probably haven't been as active in the fight for religious/philosophical exemption, but I keep up with those who are active. They've been trying to introduce a bill for several years. A lawsuit may be the next step. --- christine <christine@...> wrote: > No plants or factories is West Virginia- isn¹t > it full of coal mines? > Plus- Kirby also talks about how the > mercury can travel thousands of > miles. > > You have some other choices- > > * get a doctor to write a note for a medical > exemption > * move > * change the law (talk to a-champ) > > BTW-kudos to you for standing up to everyone > > > > > On 3/29/07 10:00 PM, " Kim " > <delicateflower_kk@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I know what you're saying. Believe me, if I > > could take back every can of tuna I ate while > > pregnant, I would. Dummy me, I knew about > the > > risks of thermirisol, which is why I haven't > > vaxed the baby, but didn't think about the > > mercury in the fish. > > > > I live in the country in West Virginia. No > > plants or factories nearby, but who knows. I > do > > have alot of fillings. > > > > Really, I didn't come on here to challenge > the > > fact that mercury is dangerous and has no > > business being injected into our innocent > > children. I believe that whole-heartedly. > > > > If I didn't, I would have vaxed my son and > saved > > myself the time I spent trying to convince my > > husband we should vax (he understands now). > I > > would have done it and saved myself the > headache > > I see peering right over the horizon at me. > > > > Our state is one of only 2 in the nation that > > won't allow a parent not to vax for > > philisophical/religious reasons. Once > > ages out of Birth to Three next December, I > can > > either vax him (not going to happen), fake > his > > immunization record and hope I don't get > caught, > > because if I do, I could face charges not > only > > for faking the record, but also for > " endangering " > > my child, or I can keep him home and try to > get > > services without him being in the school > system. > > My family lives on a limited income, so > paying > > for these services will just not be possible, > nor > > can I afford a lawyer to sue the school > system > > for services. > > > > Sorry to be so long winded. I just want to > make > > it clear that I'm against vaccines because I > know > > they're dangerous. I'm so against them, I'm > > willing to possibly go to prison to keep my > child > > from getting them. > > > > Kim > > --- Webster <jwebs94@... > <mailto:jwebs94%40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > Kim, where do you live? There is more > mercury > >> > pollution in the air in > >> > certain places (east texas, central PA... > Ohio, > >> > etc...) and god what ever > >> > you do dont eat the fish in these places! > >> > That could play a part. If you are living > >> > close to a plant that is spewing > >> > mercury into the air that could be a huge > >> > factor... check it out at > >> > scorecard.org and you can check it out. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 3/29/07, Kim > <delicateflower_kk@... > >> <mailto:delicateflower_kk%40> > > >> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > I have the situation you were asking > about. > >> > 1 > >>> > > child with Aspergers who received all > of his > >>> > > vaccines. He developed normally until > about > >> > 15 > >>> > > months or so, then stopped developing > >> > language, > >>> > > etc. The DSM was different then (1985). > By > >>> > > today's criteria he had classic autism. > >>> > > > >>> > > I now have a 2 1/2 year old that > received no > >>> > > vaccines who developed normally until > about > >> > 15 > >>> > > mos, then stopped developing language, > etc. > >> > He > >>> > > fits the criteria for classic autism. > >>> > > > >>> > > I feel pretty confident that my second > child > >> > was > >>> > > not vaxed without my consent, because I > went > >> > over > >>> > > the hospital forms and crossed the > consent > >> > for > >>> > > vax out and wrote in if he was vaxed I > would > >>> > > press assault and battery charges. I > was VERY > >>> > > adamant about him not being vaxed, or > getting > >>> > > those stupid eye drops, since I've > never had > >>> > > gonerrehea, but that's another story. > >>> > > > >>> > > The only commonality I can think of is > me as > >>> > > their mother and that I received > Demerol > >> > during > >>> > > both of their labors. > >>> > > > >>> > > My sons have different fathers. > >>> > > --- foxhairdo38 <wendtworth68@... > <mailto:wendtworth68%40aol.com> > >> > <wendtworth68%40aol.com>> wrote: > >>> > > > >>>> > > > Hospitals have been known to > vaccinate the > >> > Hep > >>>> > > > B shot without the > >>>> > > > parents consent, so how do these > people > >> > even > >>>> > > > know for sure that their > >>>> > > > child was never vaccinated? > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > I can provide evidence that > those who > >> > have > >>>> > > > researched this issue > >>>> > > > at great lengths do not > >>>>> > > > > know of a single child who has > regressed > >> > into > >>>> > > > autism after normal > >>>> > > > development other than > >>>>> > > > > through vaccine challenge. > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > Henry, > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > That jerk over at " Not Mercury " > blog > >> > claims > >>>> > > > to have a second son > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Now that's room service! 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Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 You have to consider your mercury load also while you were pregnant, too. Did you have fillings? did you eat tuna? Did your child get antibiotics? I don't think it is just the shots in all cases. My son's shots were "mercury free" yet he regressed. I just don't see how a healthy child (my son was 9 lbs. at birth) that develops normally for 18 months suddenly regresses into this world called autism. There has to be something that triggers it! Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 When we looked back to when my son showed his FIRST signs of autism (stimming) they were around 12 months. Right when he started drinking milk. He wasn’t really bad until about 20 months. My son didn’t have a ton of language and then slip down quickly. It was a slow process from 12-24 months. The biggest change was behavior and he stopped eating his regular foods and started gagging. You know, I was thinking, I have this article posted on the NAA site that deals with this stuff. It’s called “12 Reasons Why I Should Have Known”.... http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/12reasons.php It’s kinda of like our “you know you have a kid with autism when” game. It’s good to forward to someone if they are in de-nile On 3/30/07 8:34 AM, " " <tylers_mom03@...> wrote: You have to consider your mercury load also while you were pregnant, too. Did you have fillings? did you eat tuna? Did your child get antibiotics? I don't think it is just the shots in all cases. My son's shots were " mercury free " yet he regressed. I just don't see how a healthy child (my son was 9 lbs. at birth) that develops normally for 18 months suddenly regresses into this world called autism. There has to be something that triggers it! Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. <http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http://videogames.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 U r living in the same house as when Damien was little? exposure in your house? ever test your own body burden? u have amalgams in your teeth? what part of country do you live in? From: Kim <delicateflower_kk@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: [sPAM?] Re: katie wrightDate: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Damien was born in Arkansas and was 4 and on his way to diagnosis when we left. was born in West Virginia, so no place connection there. As I mentioned before, I have alot of amalgam fillings. --- elevatordance <elevatordance@...> wrote: --------------------------------- U r living in the same house as when Damien was little? exposure in your house? ever test your own body burden? u have amalgams in your teeth? what part of country do you live in? --------------------------------- From: Kim <delicateflower_kk@...> Reply-EOHarm EOHarm Subject: Re: [sPAM?] Re: katie wright Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:47:19 -0700 (PDT) ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Actually, there's a group that follows the progress of the fight to allow philosophical exemptions in the state of WV. I've been following their progress for the past 2 years. They've been trying to pass a bill during that time to allow the exemption. They also act as a watchdog group. For example, they are working to keep the Gardisil vaccine from becoming mandatory. Some in the group have started talking lawsuit. WVVE · West Virginians for Vaccination Exemption is the name of this group. Kim --- Little Gents & Gems <gentsandgems@...> wrote: > I would love to do just this!!! Any ideas one > where to start??? > > > HUGS! > Tammy > Mommy of 11 > > > [sPAM?] Re: katie wright > > > I am not a lawyer but I have a hard time > thinking that West Virginia's > no exception policy could withstand judicial > scrutiny. The > Constitutional underpinning for mandatory > vaccination is a century old > and concerned small pox, a deadly and highly > communicable disease, not > sexually transmitted diseases like hepatitis > b or diseases where there > is no evidence that the disease is worse than > the vaccine like chicken > pox. > > I think it may be an appropriate time for we > as a community to start > challenging in court mandatory vaccination > laws. I think this is > something that a growing number of health > rights groups would support. > > You might want to start thinking about > whether you would want to file > such a suit. And we need to think about how > we could support suchj a > suit materially and politically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hospitals have been known to > vaccinate the > > > Hep > > > > > B shot without the > > > > > parents consent, so how do these > people > > > even > > > > > know for sure that their > > > > > child was never vaccinated? > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Thanks for the info Kim! I will look for this group now. I am working with one of my newly elected officials who happens to have samll children! So far, he has been very interested in what I have had to share with him! I am still contemplating taking the state on for my Constiutional Right of Religion! I can not believe that WV and MS can just strip that right from you, ya know? HUGS! Tammy Mommy of 11 [sPAM?] Re: katie wright> > > I am not a lawyer but I have a hard time> thinking that West Virginia's> no exception policy could withstand judicial> scrutiny. The> Constitutional underpinning for mandatory> vaccination is a century old> and concerned small pox, a deadly and highly> communicable disease, not> sexually transmitted diseases like hepatitis> b or diseases where there> is no evidence that the disease is worse than> the vaccine like chicken> pox. > > I think it may be an appropriate time for we> as a community to start> challenging in court mandatory vaccination> laws. I think this is> something that a growing number of health> rights groups would support. > > You might want to start thinking about> whether you would want to file> such a suit. And we need to think about how> we could support suchj a> suit materially and politically.> > > > > > > >> > > > > Hospitals have been known to> vaccinate the> > > Hep> > > > > B shot without the> > > > > parents consent, so how do these> people> > > even> > > > > know for sure that their> > > > > child was never vaccinated?> > > > >> > > > > > === message truncated ===__________________________________________________________Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 1:15 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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