Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Gal I am sorry for what you are going thru it is so frustrating. Our former pediatrician went so far as to start telling other specialist we saw that he thought this could be Munchausen by Proxy. Which is a rare form of child abuse where the mother is doing something to the child to make them sick!! I was fortunate in that one of the specialist that saw said that this is absolutely not true there is something wrong with this little girl. After finding out what had gone on behind our backs for months we got a new ped and was diagnosed with and is on Cimetidine and doing much better. We will be having tonsils out on August 12. I don't know what the health care situation is where you but you need to find a Dr. who listens and take care of your child. Don't tolerate or let them make you feel this is in your head it is real and it is life altering. Christy >>> kusit@... 08/02/04 03:56AM >>> Has anyone ever been told that periodic fevers are a psychosomatic disorder? I'm a so tired of people telling me things and suggesting !! Ilana mom to Gal 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Gal I am sorry for what you are going thru it is so frustrating. Our former pediatrician went so far as to start telling other specialist we saw that he thought this could be Munchausen by Proxy. Which is a rare form of child abuse where the mother is doing something to the child to make them sick!! I was fortunate in that one of the specialist that saw said that this is absolutely not true there is something wrong with this little girl. After finding out what had gone on behind our backs for months we got a new ped and was diagnosed with and is on Cimetidine and doing much better. We will be having tonsils out on August 12. I don't know what the health care situation is where you but you need to find a Dr. who listens and take care of your child. Don't tolerate or let them make you feel this is in your head it is real and it is life altering. Christy >>> kusit@... 08/02/04 03:56AM >>> Has anyone ever been told that periodic fevers are a psychosomatic disorder? I'm a so tired of people telling me things and suggesting !! Ilana mom to Gal 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Fever disorders for a large part are genetic... JUST has no genetic link. A 6 month old infant can NOT have a psychosomatic disorder. Nor can a 12 month old. There is more to psychosomatic disorders than an illness with unknown etiology. Somatic symptoms occur in older kids... they are symptoms... like nausea... headache... etc.. Fevers of 105... 103... 106 are not somatic. People are ignorant and do not understand where our children's fevers are coming from? It is understandable with ... because we do not know the reason ourselves nor do the doctors who are currently researching... HOWEVER, we do know there is something wrong with the children... BUT like MANY MANY MANY other disorders, etiology is unknown. Maybe they think a kid is MAKING the themometer go up? LOL I did it as a 10 yr old because I wanted to stay home from school! I actually bursted a couple of glass thermometers!!!! But a child who is young... does not have that ability. They also do not have the ability to MAKE their SED rate elevate through their psychic powers... nor can they magically make their WBC's elevate. I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss.... Ugh! I can see people thinking we exagerate... because unless they SEE our kids they are clueless... But psychosomatic or Munchausen? ) (Although Munchasusen can be mistaken because this is a " created " disorder where the parent usually is VERY intelligent and will injure a child or give child substances to make a child LOOK like they have a disorder... and because they are usually extremely intelligent, they know ways to physically induce and mimic symptoms... this is a conscious effort to make the child have abnormal lab studies and physical symptoms) If the specialists and ER docs run BASIC lab studies... (CBS and SED rate) the MAJORITY of the TRUE kids will exhibit clinical abnormalities... They WILL show an elevated SED rate, CRP and slightly to extremely elevated WBC count. AND if the child has a GENETIC fever disorder.... and IF they get DNA testing done... they will show MUTATIONS. Here is a little info regarding somatic disorders....... Somatization in children consists of the persistent experience and complaints of somatic distress that cannot be fully explained by a medical diagnosis. The somatic symptoms in children with somatization disorder become a main focus of their attention and often interfere with school, home life, and peer relationships. Somatization often occurs in response to psychosocial stress and generally persists even after the acute stressor has resolved, resulting in the child and family to believe that the correct medical diagnosis has not yet been found. Thus, patients and families may continue to seek repeated medical treatment after being informed that no acute medical illness has been found and that the symptoms can not be fully explained by a medical diagnosis. It is generally well accepted that stress and worry can take a physical toll on bodies. This can be the unseen source of headaches, backaches, chest pain, and stomachaches. The term malingering is used when the patient has a specific goal in mind when creating the symptoms. Examples are the child's Monday morning " sore throat " before school or the shy girl's " sudden weakness " before the school prom. The other entity is factitious disorder within which the patient simulates a somatic complaint without a specific issue needing control but to create an ambiance within family or environment that fulfills a less specific need. The essential feature of a somatization disorder is a pattern of many of physical complaints beginning in persons younger than 30 years that occur over several years and result in unnecessary medical treatment and/or cause significant impairment in functioning. This diagnosis historically was referred to as hysteria or Briquet syndrome. The somatic symptoms are not intentionally produced nor feigned and appear to be unconscious to the patient. All the following criteria are required for a diagnosis: a.. Four different pain sites (eg, head, abdomen, back, joints, extremities, chest, rectum) or functions (eg, menstruation, sexual intercourse, urination) b.. Two gastrointestinal symptoms other than pain (eg, nausea, bloating, vomiting not caused by diarrhea, or intolerance of several different foods) c.. One sexual or reproductive symptom other than pain d.. One pseudoneurological symptom (eg, impaired balance, paralysis, aphonia, urinary retention) God Bless, Fran Fran A Bulone Mom to ph 5 yrs old Waxhaw, NC Owner & Moderator Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Fever disorders for a large part are genetic... JUST has no genetic link. A 6 month old infant can NOT have a psychosomatic disorder. Nor can a 12 month old. There is more to psychosomatic disorders than an illness with unknown etiology. Somatic symptoms occur in older kids... they are symptoms... like nausea... headache... etc.. Fevers of 105... 103... 106 are not somatic. People are ignorant and do not understand where our children's fevers are coming from? It is understandable with ... because we do not know the reason ourselves nor do the doctors who are currently researching... HOWEVER, we do know there is something wrong with the children... BUT like MANY MANY MANY other disorders, etiology is unknown. Maybe they think a kid is MAKING the themometer go up? LOL I did it as a 10 yr old because I wanted to stay home from school! I actually bursted a couple of glass thermometers!!!! But a child who is young... does not have that ability. They also do not have the ability to MAKE their SED rate elevate through their psychic powers... nor can they magically make their WBC's elevate. I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss.... Ugh! I can see people thinking we exagerate... because unless they SEE our kids they are clueless... But psychosomatic or Munchausen? ) (Although Munchasusen can be mistaken because this is a " created " disorder where the parent usually is VERY intelligent and will injure a child or give child substances to make a child LOOK like they have a disorder... and because they are usually extremely intelligent, they know ways to physically induce and mimic symptoms... this is a conscious effort to make the child have abnormal lab studies and physical symptoms) If the specialists and ER docs run BASIC lab studies... (CBS and SED rate) the MAJORITY of the TRUE kids will exhibit clinical abnormalities... They WILL show an elevated SED rate, CRP and slightly to extremely elevated WBC count. AND if the child has a GENETIC fever disorder.... and IF they get DNA testing done... they will show MUTATIONS. Here is a little info regarding somatic disorders....... Somatization in children consists of the persistent experience and complaints of somatic distress that cannot be fully explained by a medical diagnosis. The somatic symptoms in children with somatization disorder become a main focus of their attention and often interfere with school, home life, and peer relationships. Somatization often occurs in response to psychosocial stress and generally persists even after the acute stressor has resolved, resulting in the child and family to believe that the correct medical diagnosis has not yet been found. Thus, patients and families may continue to seek repeated medical treatment after being informed that no acute medical illness has been found and that the symptoms can not be fully explained by a medical diagnosis. It is generally well accepted that stress and worry can take a physical toll on bodies. This can be the unseen source of headaches, backaches, chest pain, and stomachaches. The term malingering is used when the patient has a specific goal in mind when creating the symptoms. Examples are the child's Monday morning " sore throat " before school or the shy girl's " sudden weakness " before the school prom. The other entity is factitious disorder within which the patient simulates a somatic complaint without a specific issue needing control but to create an ambiance within family or environment that fulfills a less specific need. The essential feature of a somatization disorder is a pattern of many of physical complaints beginning in persons younger than 30 years that occur over several years and result in unnecessary medical treatment and/or cause significant impairment in functioning. This diagnosis historically was referred to as hysteria or Briquet syndrome. The somatic symptoms are not intentionally produced nor feigned and appear to be unconscious to the patient. All the following criteria are required for a diagnosis: a.. Four different pain sites (eg, head, abdomen, back, joints, extremities, chest, rectum) or functions (eg, menstruation, sexual intercourse, urination) b.. Two gastrointestinal symptoms other than pain (eg, nausea, bloating, vomiting not caused by diarrhea, or intolerance of several different foods) c.. One sexual or reproductive symptom other than pain d.. One pseudoneurological symptom (eg, impaired balance, paralysis, aphonia, urinary retention) God Bless, Fran Fran A Bulone Mom to ph 5 yrs old Waxhaw, NC Owner & Moderator Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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