Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 when Nicky was last in hospital a dr asked me how I could tell she was in pain,she was tensing her toes trying to raise her hip from the bed and I felt the big clue was the screaming when he tried to move her,I often think non verbal people would get more empathy from a vet Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 Gail: Not only am I not offended (and I do not believe any medical professional on this list would be) but thrilled that you realize the issue. It is not the intelligence at work here it is what I call the " Singer " mentality. Singer is the Prof at Princeton who expresses the view that babies with disabilities are somehow less human. I believe that at one time (long before I had any meaningful contact with people with disabilities) I might have accepted some of the utilitarian view where if there is no usefulness to all, why continue? I have come to learn that some of the best utility a person with disabilities and our children are included is the boundless capacity that they can give other people to change and grow. But we must be ever vigilant for those " others " who have not yet grown. Here is one of the biggest arguments for whole community inclusion!! Sara >>> smilinggail@... - 04/04/0 12:48 AM >>> Sara, Sorry to offend anyone in the medical profession but I am beginning to believe if you are too stupid to have a career anywhere else, you can always get one in the medical field! ********SNIP******** sake of your children. I think I am ready for that rock to crawl under if it's not being used! Gail ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! 1/936/6/_/691668/_/954823736/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 Gail: Not only am I not offended (and I do not believe any medical professional on this list would be) but thrilled that you realize the issue. It is not the intelligence at work here it is what I call the " Singer " mentality. Singer is the Prof at Princeton who expresses the view that babies with disabilities are somehow less human. I believe that at one time (long before I had any meaningful contact with people with disabilities) I might have accepted some of the utilitarian view where if there is no usefulness to all, why continue? I have come to learn that some of the best utility a person with disabilities and our children are included is the boundless capacity that they can give other people to change and grow. But we must be ever vigilant for those " others " who have not yet grown. Here is one of the biggest arguments for whole community inclusion!! Sara >>> smilinggail@... - 04/04/0 12:48 AM >>> Sara, Sorry to offend anyone in the medical profession but I am beginning to believe if you are too stupid to have a career anywhere else, you can always get one in the medical field! ********SNIP******** sake of your children. I think I am ready for that rock to crawl under if it's not being used! Gail ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! 1/936/6/_/691668/_/954823736/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 Pat, how could anyone with a brain not see Nicky was in pain? Duhhhhhh. I can tell when my nonverbal dog is in pain, but an educated professional doctor can't tell when a child is in pain? That is the most asinine thing I have heard of yet! Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 , Moaning and squirming in bed is not a clue to a nurse that a child is in pain? We have had very little exposure to the medical field involving Seth, thank God, or I would be totally loony tunes by now! These stories I am reading are incredible! Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 I have to say, that the last time Matt was in the hospital (IN Vegas, for ear surgery) they were wonderful about providing pain meds. The nurse asked how I knew, and I explained that when he is moaning and squirming in the bed, he needs it. OF course, I was with him all the time, so I just made that decision. S ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 Pat, I don't know if you get more empathy from a vet with pain. I brought my puppy in to be spayed and I was asked if I wanted her to have pain medication??????????????Did they want me to answer NO, I want her to suffer?????????This is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2000 Report Share Posted April 5, 2000 AMEN. We have one doc who teaches here who says things like " there is no greater calling than to care for someone with disabilities " or " believe your patients " or " it is an honor to help someone through their dying process " . That is one doc. Of course, the university did not renew his contract; said he took too long with his patients. Anyway, of all the docs that have lectured, he is the only one who says those types of things. These physicians are rare. I believe that many in the medical field do believe that " these kids " are less valuable. It is too bad that the big thing that gets you into (and through) medical school is grades and not humanity. Kara >I believe that at one time (long before I had any meaningful contact with people with disabilities) I might have accepted some of the utilitarian view where if there is no usefulness to all, why continue? I have come to learn that some of the best utility a person with disabilities and our children are included is the boundless capacity that they can give other people to change and grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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