Re: 60 minutes vs. extreme makeover autism edition

[Guest guest]

Scrap the DVR copy and rent some porn. It

sucked.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of andrea52521991

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007

8:11 PM

EOHarm

Subject: 60 minutes vs.

extreme makeover autism edition

Ok I only flipped between 60 minutes autism story and

Bad Santa on

Comedy Central, but what I saw was very irratating.

That doctor who is trying to " predict " what children will have autism

at 6 months should get herself a crystal ball and ask for their vaccine

records. Those two items probably will help more than anything.

I DVR'ed it, should I watch it? Is it worth it?

Hopefully, Extreme makeover autism edition will be more inspiring.

[Guest guest]

I watched both shows.

60 min--- a doctor actually told a couple that they could only have 1 child with autism- so they had more children....

(like to know who that was)

Some came on and said there is no epidemic. (where’s mark?)

Don’t we like the MIND institute?

I liked the footage of a child with autism vs a NT child. It does show early signs of autism. (blast from past)

Home Makeover---- I think it was very educational. Showed how different autism is for each child. Also talked about communication devices, art, music, sensory problems.

That place in CO wasn’t Liz Burt’s project- was it?

I felt bad for that older girl- covering her eyes and ears all the time.

I LOVED how it shows how crazy life can be. While they were in one room looking at something, the kid knocks over the coffee. Ty is like “does this happen all the time?”. The Mom is like “yes- I can’t even go to the bathroom or talk on the phone”.

Again- we know other families with 5 kids- but other than that- I enjoyed the ABC show.

CBS---- did not enjoy as much.

You have to watch both, if possible. Because people will bring this stuff up in conversation- you know?

Take care-

[Guest guest]

Never mind the crystal ball, the vaccine records will do just fine on their own! Isn't it odd that countries like Sweden and Finland have lower infant mortality rates than Canada and the U.S.? I don't have the info at hand, but I would bet that in those countries, they are not vaccinating infants at birth with hepatitis B vaccines, like happens here in North America, even though these infant vaccines are not listed on most of our childhood vaccination schedules. Aasaandrea52521991 <mkeller@...> wrote: Ok I only flipped between 60 minutes autism story and Bad Santa on Comedy Central, but what I saw was very irratating.That doctor who is trying to "predict" what children will have autism at 6 months should get herself a crystal ball and ask for their vaccine records. Those two items probably will help more than anything.I DVR'ed it, should I watch it? Is it worth it?Hopefully, Extreme makeover autism edition will be more inspiring.

[Guest guest]

I watched and recorded both shows...

I was Very disappointed in the medical opinions expressed on 60 min. and would

like to

know whether these kids were all fully vaccinated or if mom is really mercury

toxic, etc.

I also hate the spin being put on this epidemic. I see this more and more often

and it feels

like a new ploy to deny a problem in order to shift blame away from vaccines as

a factor.

We need only look at who's helping to pay for these studies.

On the Makeover show, I don't think the resort they showed had anything to do

with Liz

Birt's Extreme Sports camp.

>

> I watched both shows.

>

> 60 min--- a doctor actually told a couple that they could only have 1 child

> with autism- so they had more children....

> (like to know who that was)

>

> Some came on and said there is no epidemic. (where¹s mark?)

>

> Don¹t we like the MIND institute?

>

> I liked the footage of a child with autism vs a NT child. It does show

> early signs of autism. (blast from past)

>

>

> Home Makeover---- I think it was very educational. Showed how different

> autism is for each child. Also talked about communication devices, art,

> music, sensory problems.

>

> That place in CO wasn¹t Liz Burt¹s project- was it?

>

> I felt bad for that older girl- covering her eyes and ears all the time.

>

> I LOVED how it shows how crazy life can be. While they were in one room

> looking at something, the kid knocks over the coffee. Ty is like ³does this

> happen all the time?². The Mom is like ³yes- I can¹t even go to the

> bathroom or talk on the phone².

>

> Again- we know other families with 5 kids- but other than that- I enjoyed

> the ABC show.

>

> CBS---- did not enjoy as much.

>

> You have to watch both, if possible. Because people will bring this stuff

> up in conversation- you know?

>

> Take care-

>

[Guest guest]

You virtually only get autism when you open the pediatrician's front door and walk in

Keep it closed and your child won't be autistic.

It's as simple as that.

Re: 60 minutes vs. extreme makeover autism edition

I watched both shows.60 min--- a doctor actually told a couple that they could only have 1 child with autism- so they had more children....(like to know who that was)Some came on and said there is no epidemic. (where’s mark?)Don’t we like the MIND institute?I liked the footage of a child with autism vs a NT child. It does show early signs of autism. (blast from past)Home Makeover---- I think it was very educational. Showed how different autism is for each child. Also talked about communication devices, art, music, sensory problems.That place in CO wasn’t Liz Burt’s project- was it?I felt bad for that older girl- covering her eyes and ears all the time.I LOVED how it shows how crazy life can be. While they were in one room looking at something, the kid knocks over the coffee. Ty is like “does this happen all the time?”. The Mom is like “yes- I can’t even go to the bathroom or talk on the phone”. Again- we know other families with 5 kids- but other than that- I enjoyed the ABC show.CBS---- did not enjoy as much.You have to watch both, if possible. Because people will bring this stuff up in conversation- you know?Take care-

[Guest guest]

But if you don't have a bullshit vaccine that compromises the health of children at birth, how will you ever keep track of the kids in the vaccination tracking system, so you can forever jam them full of crap the rest of their lives?

Re: 60 minutes vs. extreme makeover autism edition

Never mind the crystal ball, the vaccine records will do just fine on their own! Isn't it odd that countries like Sweden and Finland have lower infant mortality rates than Canada and the U.S.? I don't have the info at hand, but I would bet that in those countries, they are not vaccinating infants at birth with hepatitis B vaccines, like happens here in North America, even though these infant vaccines are not listed on most of our childhood vaccination schedules.

Aasaandrea52521991 <mkellerzoominternet (DOT) net> wrote:

Ok I only flipped between 60 minutes autism story and Bad Santa on Comedy Central, but what I saw was very irratating.That doctor who is trying to "predict" what children will have autism at 6 months should get herself a crystal ball and ask for their vaccine records. Those two items probably will help more than anything.I DVR'ed it, should I watch it? Is it worth it?Hopefully, Extreme makeover autism edition will be more inspiring.

[Guest guest]

>

> Never mind the crystal ball, the vaccine records will do just fine on their

own!

That's exactly what I was thinking while watching the family of 3 ASD kids.

Something was

missing from the story. Vaccine records may have shed some light on it.

Especially the

little one who seemed to improve and then regress.

Sara

[Guest guest]

I'm glad she's seeking out earlier diagnostic methods, but I also

agree that unless she's willing to look as much or moreso in the

biological component, she's missing the mark. I don't understand why

autism, even today, is seen as a behavioral disorder. That's just

ignorant.

Debi

>

> Ok I only flipped between 60 minutes autism story and Bad Santa on

> Comedy Central, but what I saw was very irratating.

>

> That doctor who is trying to " predict " what children will have autism

> at 6 months should get herself a crystal ball and ask for their vaccine

> records. Those two items probably will help more than anything.

>

> I DVR'ed it, should I watch it? Is it worth it?

>

> Hopefully, Extreme makeover autism edition will be more inspiring.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well I watched the video from the 60 minutes site

A couple comments:

When you subscribe to the notion that children are " born " with autism

versus children " develop " autism- you have a different perception.

If you believe in Born with- the signs are there you just don't see

them. I mean that mom played right into the bias of the story - her 6

month old flailing his arms in the air and her mother suggested he

was autistic at 6 months. At 6 months my son was atie and engaged,

beautifully normal. Parents not only have defective genes they pass

on to their kid, but they also are in denial about obvious autistic

symptoms that are right their in front of their noses.

I know people who say something wasn't right from the beginning. That

was not the case with our son.

If you believe in Developing autism- in our son's case he started

regressing after 12 months. Sometimes during that period he was very

engaged and appropriate, and sometimes he was isolated and distant.

How painfully I remember after the " autism seed " was planted in my

head- before we got an official diagnosis- watching everything he

did. " Look he can't be autistic he just came over and brought me

something and looked in my eyes.... " Oh, he has to be autistic, I

called his name 5 times and he never even looked " ....My entire day

was spent analyzing every move he made.The first nuerologist we saw

even said I don't think he is autistic because he looks me in the

eyes...

How many kids show signs from early on vs. how many regress and lose

skills? What's different? Maybe these are the things we should be

looking at.

Also, what level quality of care is available to diagnose a child? We

didn't delay any medical treatment. I was an aggressive vaccinater.

All vaccines were given on the early end and when something seemed

awry we quickly were seeking answers. Again, too much individual case

by case.

60 minutes wanted people to think all children are born with autism

(some very well may be) and we should be able to figure out the signs

by as early as 6-12 months. In all cases, in all kids.

It's too subjective. My son had good days and bad days.

I thought it was odd that they did not say anything about children

loosing skills that they previously had. My son lost words, lost the

ability to drink out of a straw, went through a clumsy period, then

an over cautious period- almost like he had a depth perception

problem.

Kids who inessantly jump or spin who didn't previously do those

things.

Should parents w/ colicky babies think their children are autistic

because they are crying and fussy as newborns? Is that a sign? An

infant tantrum possibly?

What if your child gets fixated on a toy.. is that autism???

What's normal development, what's not? Can normal development become

not normal at some point or vice versa?

I don't see how that information was helpful. It's too individual,

it's too subjective.

I have all my son's doctors notes. He became ill, finicky eater, sick

all the time etc.... the more vaccines he received. It's all

documented in his file.

Also, as the mother of a child who had speech therapy for over 8

years from 1 -3 times a week since 20 months of age- and still does

not speak, I resent people like Dr. Sally who imply early

intervention will make the difference.We are proof positive that

early intervention can not overcome vaccine induced brain damage.

Sorry this got so long....

> >

> > Ok I only flipped between 60 minutes autism story and Bad Santa

on

> > Comedy Central, but what I saw was very irratating.

> >

> > That doctor who is trying to " predict " what children will have

autism

> > at 6 months should get herself a crystal ball and ask for their

vaccine

> > records. Those two items probably will help more than anything.

> >

> > I DVR'ed it, should I watch it? Is it worth it?

> >

> > Hopefully, Extreme makeover autism edition will be more inspiring.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My first-born and youngest sons were " unique " from birth. My middle son

regressed between his first and second birthdays. All 3 autistic, but I got

a lot of Rhogam shots in utero and afterwards and I breastfed. They also

were born in the 90's and were fully-vaccinated.

>From: " andrea52521991 " <mkeller@...>

>Reply-EOHarm

>EOHarm

>Subject: Re: 60 minutes vs. extreme makeover autism edition

>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:51:11 -0000

>

>Well I watched the video from the 60 minutes site

>

>A couple comments:

>

>When you subscribe to the notion that children are " born " with autism

>versus children " develop " autism- you have a different perception.

>

> If you believe in Born with- the signs are there you just don't see

>them. I mean that mom played right into the bias of the story - her 6

>month old flailing his arms in the air and her mother suggested he

>was autistic at 6 months. At 6 months my son was atie and engaged,

>beautifully normal. Parents not only have defective genes they pass

>on to their kid, but they also are in denial about obvious autistic

>symptoms that are right their in front of their noses.

>

>I know people who say something wasn't right from the beginning. That

>was not the case with our son.

>

>

> If you believe in Developing autism- in our son's case he started

>regressing after 12 months. Sometimes during that period he was very

>engaged and appropriate, and sometimes he was isolated and distant.

>How painfully I remember after the " autism seed " was planted in my

>head- before we got an official diagnosis- watching everything he

>did. " Look he can't be autistic he just came over and brought me

>something and looked in my eyes.... " Oh, he has to be autistic, I

>called his name 5 times and he never even looked " ....My entire day

>was spent analyzing every move he made.The first nuerologist we saw

>even said I don't think he is autistic because he looks me in the

>eyes...

>

>How many kids show signs from early on vs. how many regress and lose

>skills? What's different? Maybe these are the things we should be

>looking at.

>

>Also, what level quality of care is available to diagnose a child? We

>didn't delay any medical treatment. I was an aggressive vaccinater.

>All vaccines were given on the early end and when something seemed

>awry we quickly were seeking answers. Again, too much individual case

>by case.

>

>60 minutes wanted people to think all children are born with autism

>(some very well may be) and we should be able to figure out the signs

>by as early as 6-12 months. In all cases, in all kids.

>

>It's too subjective. My son had good days and bad days.

>

>I thought it was odd that they did not say anything about children

>loosing skills that they previously had. My son lost words, lost the

>ability to drink out of a straw, went through a clumsy period, then

>an over cautious period- almost like he had a depth perception

>problem.

>

>Kids who inessantly jump or spin who didn't previously do those

>things.

>

>Should parents w/ colicky babies think their children are autistic

>because they are crying and fussy as newborns? Is that a sign? An

>infant tantrum possibly?

>

>What if your child gets fixated on a toy.. is that autism???

>

>What's normal development, what's not? Can normal development become

>not normal at some point or vice versa?

>

>I don't see how that information was helpful. It's too individual,

>it's too subjective.

>

>I have all my son's doctors notes. He became ill, finicky eater, sick

>all the time etc.... the more vaccines he received. It's all

>documented in his file.

>

>Also, as the mother of a child who had speech therapy for over 8

>years from 1 -3 times a week since 20 months of age- and still does

>not speak, I resent people like Dr. Sally who imply early

>intervention will make the difference.We are proof positive that

>early intervention can not overcome vaccine induced brain damage.

>

>Sorry this got so long....

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Ok I only flipped between 60 minutes autism story and Bad Santa

>on

> > > Comedy Central, but what I saw was very irratating.

> > >

> > > That doctor who is trying to " predict " what children will have

>autism

> > > at 6 months should get herself a crystal ball and ask for their

>vaccine

> > > records. Those two items probably will help more than anything.

> > >

> > > I DVR'ed it, should I watch it? Is it worth it?

> > >

> > > Hopefully, Extreme makeover autism edition will be more inspiring.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

If you have a Psychological (Psychiatric) mind-set -Hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail....ng

Re: 60 minutes vs. extreme makeover autism edition

I'm glad she's seeking out earlier diagnostic methods, but I alsoagree that unless she's willing to look as much or moreso in thebiological component, she's missing the mark. I don't understand whyautism, even today, is seen as a behavioral disorder. That's justignorant.Debi>> Ok I only flipped between 60 minutes autism story and Bad Santa on > Comedy Central, but what I saw was very irratating.> > That doctor who is trying to "predict" what children will have autism > at 6 months should get herself a crystal ball and ask for their vaccine > records. Those two items probably will help more than anything.> > I DVR'ed it, should I watch it? Is it worth it?> > Hopefully, Extreme makeover autism edition will be more inspiring.> > >

[Guest guest]

We now know conditions like bipolar & schizophrenia aren't behavioral

issues, they're phsyiological. I wonder when psych fields are gonna

accept they have to face biology as a significant part of their field.

Debi

In EOHarm , " Nora Gottlieb " <nwgott@...> wrote:

>

> If you have a Psychological (Psychiatric) mind-set -Hammer in your

hand, everything looks like a nail....ng

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thats why they went into psych they couldn't pass bio/organic chem---

In EOHarm , " Debi " <fightingautism@...> wrote:

>

> We now know conditions like bipolar & schizophrenia aren't behavioral

> issues, they're phsyiological. I wonder when psych fields are gonna

> accept they have to face biology as a significant part of their field.

>

> Debi

>

> In EOHarm , " Nora Gottlieb " <nwgott@> wrote:

> >

> > If you have a Psychological (Psychiatric) mind-set -Hammer in your

> hand, everything looks like a nail....ng

> >

> >

>