Re: 4 Year-old Dies -Debate over use of Risperdal, Seroquel in Children

[Guest guest]

Oh Aasa I know all about getting " lashed out " on the subject of

medicating children with anti-depressants and psycho-tropics meds.

Here it is plain and simple. People are pressured by society into

putting their kids on these drugs that have no track record with

children.I know a family that their son was put on over 15 different

drugs before he was 9 years old. Their drug of choice today is

Seroquel. BTW, the mom and dad and young sister all subsequently went

on meds. Mom and dad for the " stress " of dealing with their autistic

child. Sister was diagnosed w/ Add, so of course she needed to be

medicated. They have all be " experimenting " with different meds over

the years. Dad told me one drug he was on (Effexor I think) made him

completley loose interest in everything. He said he had to get off of

it, he wasn't paying the bills or doing any daily responsibilities " I

just didn't care about anything " . Geez, what a state of mind for a

parent to be in to take care of an ASD kid? They justified it because

their child was struggling with this or that problem and now that the

medication is masking that problem they no longer struggle with that

problem. Is the problem fixed? NO.

Look how profitable autism is- the whole family went on meds.

Probably for life and I can only imagine the other diseases they will

develop from using those meds.

There should be no justification of putting a child on a drug of this

nature. I got blasted on another list for posting health problems

related to Risperdal. There were two mothers(one of the kids was 5

and the other was 6 or 7). They were talking about how wonderful

their kids are now that they are on Risperdal. So, I posted the side-

effects. I got blasted for trying to " scare people " and this

discussion went on and on and nobody stepped up to say anything for

fear of offending these pro-med mothers. I came out of that like the

villan. Sorry- if the side-effects make you feel uncomfortable and

might make you feel guilty for your choice to drug your kid, but

those are the side effects. Maybe you don't want to face them, but

maybe somebody else might want to consider them.

So, take this story with the four year old who died. Maybe that kid

would still be alive if somebody " offended " her parents and said

something about her med regime.

This is such a taboo topic. We are angry about vaccines that haven't

been adequately tested and proven safe, but we'll drug our kids with

meds that are in the exact same boat as the vaccines? Maybe the

majority of children who are medicated won't die like this girl, but

nobody knows what the drugs are doing to their developing brains and

their bodies.

This is crimminal. This is yet another experiment on our children.

I've had people suggest- maybe my child isn't that bad that I would

put him on one of these medications. He most certainly would be a

candidate for meds. (Hence the cabinet full of drugs that have been

prescribed over the years). I resent that I would have to drug him to

send him to public school. So, I have been home schooling since he

was 7. I'm angry that he was " stolen " from us and now I have to do

something that is completely wrong just so he can function in the

world.

Should he fall victim to yet another questionable medical practice so

the school staff doesn't have to deal with his abberant behaviors?

Which are a by-product of the poisons he received when I was

following " preventative care " by taking him to " well check ups " .

I hate that I have to give him drugs to manage his allergies. I hate

when I have to give him an anti-biotic when he has yet another upper-

respiratory or ear infection. I will not drug him into submission, so

the day is easier to get through.

I want to know why he is like this? Why are so many kids like this?

What things we can do to improve his health not harm it with more

prescription meds.

This is something that really bothers me (as you can probably tell)

I'm sure I have offended somebody with my view point, but this is

what I believe.

OK, let me have it.

>

> That's the scary part, ...why aren't more people questioning why 1

out of 6 children have neurological and/or behavioral problems, and

why so many young children are on these sorts of medications? You'd

think people would be up in arms, knowing about the numbers of

children who are affected! Yet, they're not. Some of us get lashed

out at by others (on other list groups) when we happen to mention

that it may not be a normal state of affairs to have so many children

on anti-depressants and other psychotropic medications. I find it

appalling that so many children in the States and in Canada, and

doubtless in other parts of the world, are having such difficulties

and that so many are on various cocktails of medications at young

ages. It is not NORMAL to have so many children diagnosed as

something other than " normal " . It is not NORMAL for children to be on

psychotropic medications. If the behavior of so many children has

become problemmatic, it would make sense to find out what

> is causing this. Screw the rhetoric about " better diagnosis " ! Some

of us who are a bit older, can attest to the fact that cerca 40 - 50

years ago, we did not have such problems. Back then, I never even

heard of a child on any sort psychotropic medication, and although

there were some with a few behavioral issues, it was nothing compared

to what we are dealing with now. What will it take for the " silent

majority " to wake up and realize that something is really wrong this

whole damn picture? ...and there is a lot wrong with it, with so many

children being given all sorts of mind-altering medications, even in

early childhood, stuff that can kill them because many of these drugs

have not even been tested to see how they interact with each other,

let alone in a child's body!

>

> Aasa

[Guest guest]

Tip- when they start wearing long black leather coats and start carrying pump-actions or single-action revolvers/sidearms, it's probably not a re-creation of the OK corral.

Re: 4 Year-old Dies -Debate over use of Risperdal, Seroquel in Children

Oh Aasa I know all about getting "lashed out" on the subject of medicating children with anti-depressants and psycho-tropics meds.Here it is plain and simple. People are pressured by society into putting their kids on these drugs that have no track record with children.I know a family that their son was put on over 15 different drugs before he was 9 years old. Their drug of choice today is Seroquel. BTW, the mom and dad and young sister all subsequently went on meds. Mom and dad for the "stress" of dealing with their autistic child. Sister was diagnosed w/ Add, so of course she needed to be medicated. They have all be "experimenting" with different meds over the years. Dad told me one drug he was on (Effexor I think) made him completley loose interest in everything. He said he had to get off of it, he wasn't paying the bills or doing any daily responsibilities "I just didn't care about anything". Geez, what a state of mind for a parent to be in to take care of an ASD kid? They justified it because their child was struggling with this or that problem and now that the medication is masking that problem they no longer struggle with that problem. Is the problem fixed? NO.Look how profitable autism is- the whole family went on meds. Probably for life and I can only imagine the other diseases they will develop from using those meds. There should be no justification of putting a child on a drug of this nature. I got blasted on another list for posting health problems related to Risperdal. There were two mothers(one of the kids was 5 and the other was 6 or 7). They were talking about how wonderful their kids are now that they are on Risperdal. So, I posted the side-effects. I got blasted for trying to "scare people" and this discussion went on and on and nobody stepped up to say anything for fear of offending these pro-med mothers. I came out of that like the villan. Sorry- if the side-effects make you feel uncomfortable and might make you feel guilty for your choice to drug your kid, but those are the side effects. Maybe you don't want to face them, but maybe somebody else might want to consider them. So, take this story with the four year old who died. Maybe that kid would still be alive if somebody "offended" her parents and said something about her med regime.This is such a taboo topic. We are angry about vaccines that haven't been adequately tested and proven safe, but we'll drug our kids with meds that are in the exact same boat as the vaccines? Maybe the majority of children who are medicated won't die like this girl, but nobody knows what the drugs are doing to their developing brains and their bodies.This is crimminal. This is yet another experiment on our children. I've had people suggest- maybe my child isn't that bad that I would put him on one of these medications. He most certainly would be a candidate for meds. (Hence the cabinet full of drugs that have been prescribed over the years). I resent that I would have to drug him to send him to public school. So, I have been home schooling since he was 7. I'm angry that he was "stolen" from us and now I have to do something that is completely wrong just so he can function in the world. Should he fall victim to yet another questionable medical practice so the school staff doesn't have to deal with his abberant behaviors? Which are a by-product of the poisons he received when I was following "preventative care" by taking him to "well check ups".I hate that I have to give him drugs to manage his allergies. I hate when I have to give him an anti-biotic when he has yet another upper-respiratory or ear infection. I will not drug him into submission, so the day is easier to get through.I want to know why he is like this? Why are so many kids like this?What things we can do to improve his health not harm it with more prescription meds.This is something that really bothers me (as you can probably tell)I'm sure I have offended somebody with my view point, but this is what I believe.OK, let me have it. >> That's the scary part, ...why aren't more people questioning why 1 out of 6 children have neurological and/or behavioral problems, and why so many young children are on these sorts of medications? You'd think people would be up in arms, knowing about the numbers of children who are affected! Yet, they're not. Some of us get lashed out at by others (on other list groups) when we happen to mention that it may not be a normal state of affairs to have so many children on anti-depressants and other psychotropic medications. I find it appalling that so many children in the States and in Canada, and doubtless in other parts of the world, are having such difficulties and that so many are on various cocktails of medications at young ages. It is not NORMAL to have so many children diagnosed as something other than "normal". It is not NORMAL for children to be on psychotropic medications. If the behavior of so many children has become problemmatic, it would make sense to find out what> is causing this. Screw the rhetoric about "better diagnosis"! Some of us who are a bit older, can attest to the fact that cerca 40 - 50 years ago, we did not have such problems. Back then, I never even heard of a child on any sort psychotropic medication, and although there were some with a few behavioral issues, it was nothing compared to what we are dealing with now. What will it take for the "silent majority" to wake up and realize that something is really wrong this whole damn picture? ...and there is a lot wrong with it, with so many children being given all sorts of mind-altering medications, even in early childhood, stuff that can kill them because many of these drugs have not even been tested to see how they interact with each other, let alone in a child's body!> > Aasa

[Guest guest]

, I agree with you 100%. We have never medicated our son

with those " behavior drugs " and we never will. I feel sorry for the

parents that are pressured into it by their doctors and believe me the

pressure to drug is EVERYWHERE. I was once told by a high ranking

member of NAA that a little Risperdal is a beautiful thing. I was also

told by this same person that we should not be chelating because it

is " dangerous " . God help our children.

[Guest guest]

I get pressured every time I take either of my kids to the Dr. to

give them concerta, risperdal, whatever the drug of the month is. I

also am told by parents of kids with autism and adhd that the meds

have made such a difference, it would be wrong for me not to at

least try it. 3 years ago, I put my son on risperdal, I didn't

know any better at the time. He wasn't even that aggressive. He took

the meds 2 times a day and he was a vegetable. If I tried to

interact with him while on the meds, he would bite me or anyone else

in the way. He became aggressive while on the drug. It took me a

month to wake up and take him off of it. He's still autistic,

severely. However he's not really violent. He gets mad sometimes,

but I would too if I were him. His developmental ped dr told her

student on our last visit " look at him, he dosen't know the

difference between you and a piece of furniture " Jake proceeded to

flick her student right in the eyeball. He then bit his shirt and

walked away. This was 's way of saying f#*# you. He knows the

difference between people and furniture. Her suggestion was to try

risperdal again for the aggression. I gave her a mouthful of choice

words that I'd rather not repeat and we haven't been back. The scary

thing is, if you live in Missouri and are on medicaid, you are told

that she is the best Dr for treating autism. I waited a year and a

half to get in to this quack's office and she was nothing but a drug

pusher. She says there's never been any mercury in vaccines and I

need to focus on looking into group homes for him. She compared it

to sending a typical child to college. He's 6. How dare a Dr. be so

stupid and ignorant, not that I was suprised, but I am sick to death

of it. This is the problem, Dr.s no longer want to fix anybody. If

they did, they'd be out of business. Nothing to sell. It makes me

sick how stupid and uneducated they are.And whats even worse is the

hundreds of medicaid patients that are sent to her and listen to

her. What a waste. The parents don't know any better. Although I'm

beginning to think that's an excuse to take the easy way out, doing

what the Dr says is ok to them. If the Dr. says it's ok then it must

be. If I am told one more time to try to stop looking for someone to

blame and accept for who he is, I'm going to.....better not

say.BTW, the Dr.s name is Ultmann MD. She works for the

Knights of Colombus Devolopmental Center at Cardnial Glennon

Childrens hospital in St. Louis. She's the medical director. I

wonder what the Knights would think of how her clinic is being run?

Sorry so long. I saw you all on the subject of meds and I was just

told i need to put my oldest son Brenden, ADHD on Concerta. I also

just got fired from a crappy waitress job because I kept having to

pick my up from school for unexplained rashes and fevers. I go

to the doc with him and they say " no big deal, kids get sick, I'm

sure there's a reason for his fevers. He'll be alright "

ARRGGHHHHHHH! I'm so sick of it. I know what's wrong with him I tell

them as much and the morons don't even know what I'm talking about.

Never even heard of MT dysfunction. What kind of Docs is this

country breeding?

Thanks for letting me go on, I feel a little better now.

Chrissy

PS Hang the Doc in this case the parents were probably just doing

what they were told

In EOHarm , " andrea52521991 " <mkeller@...> wrote:

>

> Oh Aasa I know all about getting " lashed out " on the subject of

> medicating children with anti-depressants and psycho-tropics meds.

>

> Here it is plain and simple. People are pressured by society into

> putting their kids on these drugs that have no track record with

> children.I know a family that their son was put on over 15

different

> drugs before he was 9 years old. Their drug of choice today is

> Seroquel. BTW, the mom and dad and young sister all subsequently

went

> on meds. Mom and dad for the " stress " of dealing with their

autistic

> child. Sister was diagnosed w/ Add, so of course she needed to be

> medicated. They have all be " experimenting " with different meds

over

> the years. Dad told me one drug he was on (Effexor I think) made

him

> completley loose interest in everything. He said he had to get off

of

> it, he wasn't paying the bills or doing any daily

responsibilities " I

> just didn't care about anything " . Geez, what a state of mind for a

> parent to be in to take care of an ASD kid? They justified it

because

> their child was struggling with this or that problem and now that

the

> medication is masking that problem they no longer struggle with

that

> problem. Is the problem fixed? NO.

>

> Look how profitable autism is- the whole family went on meds.

> Probably for life and I can only imagine the other diseases they

will

> develop from using those meds.

>

> There should be no justification of putting a child on a drug of

this

> nature. I got blasted on another list for posting health problems

> related to Risperdal. There were two mothers(one of the kids was 5

> and the other was 6 or 7). They were talking about how wonderful

> their kids are now that they are on Risperdal. So, I posted the

side-

> effects. I got blasted for trying to " scare people " and this

> discussion went on and on and nobody stepped up to say anything

for

> fear of offending these pro-med mothers. I came out of that like

the

> villan. Sorry- if the side-effects make you feel uncomfortable and

> might make you feel guilty for your choice to drug your kid, but

> those are the side effects. Maybe you don't want to face them, but

> maybe somebody else might want to consider them.

>

> So, take this story with the four year old who died. Maybe that

kid

> would still be alive if somebody " offended " her parents and said

> something about her med regime.

>

> This is such a taboo topic. We are angry about vaccines that

haven't

> been adequately tested and proven safe, but we'll drug our kids

with

> meds that are in the exact same boat as the vaccines? Maybe the

> majority of children who are medicated won't die like this girl,

but

> nobody knows what the drugs are doing to their developing brains

and

> their bodies.

>

> This is crimminal. This is yet another experiment on our children.

> I've had people suggest- maybe my child isn't that bad that I

would

> put him on one of these medications. He most certainly would be a

> candidate for meds. (Hence the cabinet full of drugs that have

been

> prescribed over the years). I resent that I would have to drug him

to

> send him to public school. So, I have been home schooling since he

> was 7. I'm angry that he was " stolen " from us and now I have to do

> something that is completely wrong just so he can function in the

> world.

>

> Should he fall victim to yet another questionable medical practice

so

> the school staff doesn't have to deal with his abberant behaviors?

> Which are a by-product of the poisons he received when I was

> following " preventative care " by taking him to " well check ups " .

>

> I hate that I have to give him drugs to manage his allergies. I

hate

> when I have to give him an anti-biotic when he has yet another

upper-

> respiratory or ear infection. I will not drug him into submission,

so

> the day is easier to get through.

>

> I want to know why he is like this? Why are so many kids like this?

> What things we can do to improve his health not harm it with more

> prescription meds.

>

> This is something that really bothers me (as you can probably tell)

>

> I'm sure I have offended somebody with my view point, but this is

> what I believe.

>

> OK, let me have it.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > That's the scary part, ...why aren't more people questioning why

1

> out of 6 children have neurological and/or behavioral problems,

and

> why so many young children are on these sorts of medications?

You'd

> think people would be up in arms, knowing about the numbers of

> children who are affected! Yet, they're not. Some of us get lashed

> out at by others (on other list groups) when we happen to mention

> that it may not be a normal state of affairs to have so many

children

> on anti-depressants and other psychotropic medications. I find it

> appalling that so many children in the States and in Canada, and

> doubtless in other parts of the world, are having such

difficulties

> and that so many are on various cocktails of medications at young

> ages. It is not NORMAL to have so many children diagnosed as

> something other than " normal " . It is not NORMAL for children to be

on

> psychotropic medications. If the behavior of so many children has

> become problemmatic, it would make sense to find out what

> > is causing this. Screw the rhetoric about " better diagnosis " !

Some

> of us who are a bit older, can attest to the fact that cerca 40 -

50

> years ago, we did not have such problems. Back then, I never even

> heard of a child on any sort psychotropic medication, and although

> there were some with a few behavioral issues, it was nothing

compared

> to what we are dealing with now. What will it take for the " silent

> majority " to wake up and realize that something is really wrong

this

> whole damn picture? ...and there is a lot wrong with it, with so

many

> children being given all sorts of mind-altering medications, even

in

> early childhood, stuff that can kill them because many of these

drugs

> have not even been tested to see how they interact with each

other,

> let alone in a child's body!

> >

> > Aasa

>

[Guest guest]

" " This is something that really bothers me (as you can probably tell)

I'm sure I have offended somebody with my view point, but this is

what I believe.

OK, let me have it.

" "

Dear ,

Thank you for having the courage to SAY IT! If we don't SAY IT!,

nobody will ever think twice about what has happened to our children

and future children. My 8 yr old son was recently diagnosed ADHD,

Asperger's, and language processing problems. At my initial meetings

with each of the school principal, school counselor, and speech

therapist the question " Are you going to medicate " was asked. I

emphatically told them NO!. I said, " remember last year? He was on so

many drugs for asthma and allergies with the resulting behavior side

effects, you were ready to expel him? " They said " Oh, yeah, probably

not a good idea in his case. " On the initial ARD paperwork, it asked

what I thought the cause of his problems were. I told them he was

poisioned by thimerosal in his vaccines. They just glided by that one

in the meeting.

I noted that you said you were medicating your son to control

allergies. Please be careful with Singulair if you use it. It states

on the actual prescription insert that in actual use side effects

such as hyperactivity, irritability, aggression and such have been

reported. It was the last of his medications we took him off of. His

teacher could not believe the difference once we got it out of his

system. As she put it, his misbehavior went from over the top/out of

control to misbehavior more " normal for a 7 yr old " . She was estatic!

Keep on SAYING IT! Best to you and your family.

Houston

> >

> > That's the scary part, ...why aren't more people questioning why

1

> out of 6 children have neurological and/or behavioral problems, and

> why so many young children are on these sorts of medications? You'd

> think people would be up in arms, knowing about the numbers of

> children who are affected! Yet, they're not. Some of us get lashed

> out at by others (on other list groups) when we happen to mention

> that it may not be a normal state of affairs to have so many

children

> on anti-depressants and other psychotropic medications. I find it

> appalling that so many children in the States and in Canada, and

> doubtless in other parts of the world, are having such difficulties

> and that so many are on various cocktails of medications at young

> ages. It is not NORMAL to have so many children diagnosed as

> something other than " normal " . It is not NORMAL for children to be

on

> psychotropic medications. If the behavior of so many children has

> become problemmatic, it would make sense to find out what

> > is causing this. Screw the rhetoric about " better diagnosis " !

Some

> of us who are a bit older, can attest to the fact that cerca 40 -

50

> years ago, we did not have such problems. Back then, I never even

> heard of a child on any sort psychotropic medication, and although

> there were some with a few behavioral issues, it was nothing

compared

> to what we are dealing with now. What will it take for the " silent

> majority " to wake up and realize that something is really wrong

this

> whole damn picture? ...and there is a lot wrong with it, with so

many

> children being given all sorts of mind-altering medications, even

in

> early childhood, stuff that can kill them because many of these

drugs

> have not even been tested to see how they interact with each other,

> let alone in a child's body!

> >

> > Aasa

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the words of encouragement.

Unfortunately, the people I used it my example with the kid on

Seroquel think their child is a new kid on meds. So, they don't want

to hear the nay sayers, they look at their kid and see immediate

positive results. All is right with the world. They loved Risperdal

and were pissed when the doctor stopped the med due to the fact their

son developed Tardive Dykskinesia. Yes, the parents didn't care that

the child was having this very visible medical problem from the

Risperdal. They were furious with the doctor because the kid's

behavior was so wonderful on the drug.Then when they tried it a while

later they didn't see the same behvioral benefits.

So, when you have parents like that who are more than happy to

medicate their child, is it any wonder you were asked at your meeting

if you planned on medicating your child?

How did you get your son off of allergy meds? We did use Singulair,

Zertec, claritin, Astelin, in the past plus flonase and Nazonex-

still use Benadryl as needed. Right now he is on Allegra seems to be

working but again I hate using it.

>

> " " This is something that really bothers me (as you can probably

tell)

>

> I'm sure I have offended somebody with my view point, but this is

> what I believe.

>

> OK, let me have it.

>

> " "

>

> Dear ,

>

> Thank you for having the courage to SAY IT! If we don't SAY IT!,

> nobody will ever think twice about what has happened to our

children

> and future children. My 8 yr old son was recently diagnosed ADHD,

> Asperger's, and language processing problems. At my initial

meetings

> with each of the school principal, school counselor, and speech

> therapist the question " Are you going to medicate " was asked. I

> emphatically told them NO!. I said, " remember last year? He was on

so

> many drugs for asthma and allergies with the resulting behavior

side

> effects, you were ready to expel him? " They said " Oh, yeah,

probably

> not a good idea in his case. " On the initial ARD paperwork, it

asked

> what I thought the cause of his problems were. I told them he was

> poisioned by thimerosal in his vaccines. They just glided by that

one

> in the meeting.

>

> I noted that you said you were medicating your son to control

> allergies. Please be careful with Singulair if you use it. It

states

> on the actual prescription insert that in actual use side effects

> such as hyperactivity, irritability, aggression and such have been

> reported. It was the last of his medications we took him off of.

His

> teacher could not believe the difference once we got it out of his

> system. As she put it, his misbehavior went from over the top/out

of

> control to misbehavior more " normal for a 7 yr old " . She was

estatic!

>

> Keep on SAYING IT! Best to you and your family.

>

>

> Houston

[Guest guest]

I think you make a great point. It is scary how quickly people reach

for meds. I cannot understand why anyone would seek medication before

trying everything else first.

That said, there are cases where it is needed. I know one kid who was

banging his head to the point of breaking his skull 2 different times.

His school did an FBA to address the headbanging. Before 9am they had

counted over 100 head-bangings. His mother had tried every DAN!

protocol with no success, she's all into organic cooking/farming & the

like. Respiradol was the only thing that helped him.

In my own daughter's case, she can't function with SSRI. We did the

diet, various supps, behavioral interventions. Within 2 days of being

on a small amount of paxil she was a different child. We just weaned

her off VERY slowly last summer, it seemed that mb-12 & ldn were

making the difference. However, over a six mo period she returned to

self-abusive behaviors. 4 wks after putting her back on paxil she was

back to a happy (not drugged), verbal, social child.

I think meds should be a last-resort & used as small as possible. But

should not 100% be dismissed. If I had done that I'm certain Allie

would not be nearly to the level she is today.

Debi

>

[Guest guest]

Allie has significant eating issues. I went to the ped for one visit

to request a referral for a new feeding therapy group I heard about.

His response? " We can put her on respiradol. " I asked him why I would

put her on a psychotropic drug when she has feeding issues, he never

responded.

And this is the guy everyone with older kids with autism raves about

as being such a good ped.

Debi

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I think you make a great point. It is scary how quickly people reach

> for meds. I cannot understand why anyone would seek medication before

> trying everything else first.

>

> That said, there are cases where it is needed. I know one kid who was

> banging his head to the point of breaking his skull 2 different times.

> His school did an FBA to address the headbanging. Before 9am they had

> counted over 100 head-bangings. His mother had tried every DAN!

> protocol with no success, she's all into organic cooking/farming & the

> like. Respiradol was the only thing that helped him.

>

Did the mom try chelation? I know several DAN doctors that will not

chelate and that is what made a difference in our son. He was a big

head banger and with chelation it went away.

[Guest guest]

I was at a presentation where the speaker described an adult w/autism

who hit himself in the face so hard/often he had a lot of fractures.

He also had an untreated sinus infection.

Carolyn

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[Guest guest]

She tried the DMSA & ALA. SHe was in the army at the time of

conception, didn't know it and went through her gas chamber drill. She

always wondered if she was exposed to so much toxic gas that is what

injured him.

Debi

> >

> > I think you make a great point. It is scary how quickly people reach

> > for meds. I cannot understand why anyone would seek medication before

> > trying everything else first.

> >

> > That said, there are cases where it is needed. I know one kid who was

> > banging his head to the point of breaking his skull 2 different times.

> > His school did an FBA to address the headbanging. Before 9am they had

> > counted over 100 head-bangings. His mother had tried every DAN!

> > protocol with no success, she's all into organic cooking/farming & the

> > like. Respiradol was the only thing that helped him.

> >

>

>

> Did the mom try chelation? I know several DAN doctors that will not

> chelate and that is what made a difference in our son. He was a big

> head banger and with chelation it went away.

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder what the mom was exposed to, prenatally: SHe was in the army at the time ofconception, didn't know it and went through her gas chamber drill. Shealways wondered if she was exposed to so much toxic gas that is whatinjured him.Debi <fightingautism@...> wrote: She tried the DMSA & ALA. SHe was in the army at the time ofconception, didn't know it and went through her gas chamber drill. Shealways wondered if she was exposed to so much toxic gas that

is whatinjured him.Debi> >> > I think you make a great point. It is scary how quickly people reach> > for meds. I cannot understand why anyone would seek medication before> > trying everything else first.> > > > That said, there are cases where it is needed. I know one kid who was> > banging his head to the point of breaking his skull 2 different times.> > His school did an FBA to address the headbanging. Before 9am they had> > counted over 100 head-bangings. His mother had tried every DAN!> > protocol with no success, she's all into organic cooking/farming & the> > like.

Respiradol was the only thing that helped him. > > > > > Did the mom try chelation? I know several DAN doctors that will not > chelate and that is what made a difference in our son. He was a big > head banger and with chelation it went away.>

[Guest guest]

I don't know. What I was told is that once a year they go through gas

chamber drills where they go into a gas chamber & have to hold their

breath while putting on their gas mask. I would think that there would

be no dangerous chemicals because, after all, it's just a drill. But

they do other drills with live ammo, so who knows. Maybe someone on

this list who has experience with the Army could comment further.

Debi

> > >

> > > I think you make a great point. It is scary how quickly people reach

> > > for meds. I cannot understand why anyone would seek medication

before

> > > trying everything else first.

> > >

> > > That said, there are cases where it is needed. I know one kid

who was

> > > banging his head to the point of breaking his skull 2 different

times.

> > > His school did an FBA to address the headbanging. Before 9am

they had

> > > counted over 100 head-bangings. His mother had tried every DAN!

> > > protocol with no success, she's all into organic cooking/farming

& the

> > > like. Respiradol was the only thing that helped him.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Did the mom try chelation? I know several DAN doctors that will not

> > chelate and that is what made a difference in our son. He was a big

> > head banger and with chelation it went away.

> >

>