Re: california numbers (my take); Debi

[Guest guest]

No, but that's an excellent idea. I'm going to start a newly-dxed

class once a month for my area. I can always ask them to fill out a

survey at the end giving statistical data, no names but vaccine info.

Anyone got a good list of what I should ask?

Debi

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> Are you polling the moms of these kids to see which ones got flu

shots while pregnant and which ones had infant flu shots? If not,

could your chapter start doing it. I.e., of the 25 new cases reported

to use, 23 received flu shots while pregnant, etc.

>

> Vera

[Guest guest]

Debi == you have a golden opportunity that I would salivate for. I would try to keep the initial survey short to obtain the highest completion rate. The main questions I would ask are: 1. How many amalgams does the mother have? 2. How many flu shots in her life time? 3. All vaccines she can think of in the 5 years prior to getting pregnant. 4. Did she get any vaccines while pregnant? If so, which ones? 5. Did she get the rubella, measles or MMR live vaccine in the hospital after birth and if so, did she nurse (and for how long)? 6. Did she get any vaccines shortly before or after conception?(I would think you would not want to ask about items during during conception) 7. If possible (ask the mother to turn in the survey and also ask her to complete the vaccination record from the

pediatirician). I bet we see lots of VIS dates in 1998 and lots of Connaught, Wyeth and AP Connaught on the HIB and DTaP. If Merck started to transition HEP B in 1999, then the thimerasol would mostly have been gone. Other questions: Child's diagnosis? Age at diagnosis? Any speech other than echolia? If DSM IV autism, would the mother say the child is HFA, moderate or severe? Other major health issues (CP, chronic asthma, deaf, blind, etc) You would only need about 35 people to answer the survey to know where the data is taking you. If you find that 30 of the 35 moms got flu shots while pregnant and we know that only 13% of moms got the flu shot, well, that would tell us a lot. The in-utero flu shot may have pushed "less genetically" susceptible children over the edge and the CDC and AAP might not need a very high take rate

(aka 13%) to achieve the desired outcome of muddying the cesspool and keeping ASD rates soaring. For the past several years, I have been doing my own informal survey of moms who got the flu shot while pregnant and the health outcome of the kids. Far more of these kids have serious health issues than do not. Maybe I am just asking unfortunate families, but these in-utero flu shot kids do seem to have more than their share of problems. It is hard to find a child that got the flu shot in-utero that does not have major health concerns. Among other things I have seen a lot of heart problems, deafness, blindness, and CP. On the milder side they have a lot of chronic pneumonia (the mothers insist it is not asthma), eczema and early food allergies. I met one red-headed 1 one year old who could only eat about 5 items because of serious (many life threatening) allergies. The

moms all asked the pediatricians and OBs and the MDs insist that there is no correlation to the flu shot. I am curious as to what others have found. VeraDebi <fightingautism@...> wrote: No, but that's an excellent idea. I'm going to start a newly-dxedclass once a month for my area. I can always ask them to fill out asurvey at the end giving statistical data, no names but vaccine info.Anyone got a good list of what I should

ask?Debi>> Are you polling the moms of these kids to see which ones got flushots while pregnant and which ones had infant flu shots? If not,could your chapter start doing it. I.e., of the 25 new cases reportedto use, 23 received flu shots while pregnant, etc.> > Vera

[Guest guest]

There appears to be a deliberate attempt by public health officials to make sure the kids are poisoned and the numbers are kept up. There is no other reasonable explanation for their actions.

Re: Re: california numbers (my take); Debi

Are you polling the moms of these kids to see which ones got flu shots while pregnant and which ones had infant flu shots? If not, could your chapter start doing it. I.e., of the 25 new cases reported to use, 23 received flu shots while pregnant, etc.

Vera

Debi <fightingautism > wrote:

We have had TONS of parents of children recently diagnosed contactingour local ASA chapter. It definitely seems to be increasing to me. ITalso seems to coincide with the intro of forced flu vaccines, too.Debi>

[Guest guest]

Bingo.

Re: california numbers (my take); Debi

Posted by: " H " stratpat@...

henrycoleman99

Thu Feb 1, 2007 5:26 am (PST)

There appears to be a deliberate attempt by public

health officials to make sure the kids are poisoned

and the numbers are kept up. There is no other

reasonable explanation for their actions.

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