Numbers added to Flat Earth theory of autism

[Guest guest]

From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens.

I for one am really sick and tired of the current stock of " the world

is flat " thinkers who continue to spew the notion that there has been

no real increase in autism, that the prevalence and incidence of

autism has remained the same all these years, and in years past we

simply over looked thousands of persons with autism, and today we

finally found them. Bottom line: they have always been here.

I believe that applying a little common sense and facts provided by

our California Department of Developmental Services (DDS) we can once

and for all drive the spike of fact and truth into the heart of these

modern day flat earth society members who may be living in our world,

but seem to be far removed from it's obvious realities.

Premise : If there has not been a true, dramatic increase in the

incidence of autism creating an autism epidemic, then we should have

among us a proportional and sizeable number of adults with autism.

Since DDS's data only includes those persons with autism who have a

professional diagnoses of full syndrome (i.e. worst form) of autism,

we can assume that hiding, misplacing, loosing or not recognizing

thousands of adults with moderate to severe behavioral issues,

extremely apparent bazaar social behaviors, and moderate to severe

language deficits would be impossible. We are not talking about a

person here who melds into society and is not noticed and/or is not in

need of major supports and assistance. They would have to be

somewhere, and somewhere for adults likes these in California would

either be in the community or in an institution. Now I guess it is

possible that some could be homeless, but as far as I know there has

never been reports of large numbers of persons with moderate to severe

autism running amok through homeless shelters and soup kitchens, if

they were there, Iam sure we would have heard about it by now.

California's developmental services system has been in place since

1969...38 years for adults with autism and their families to find

their way into the system.

Facts: According to the latest data from DDS, there are 32,809 persons

with autism in California's DD system...16% or 5125 are adults over 22

years old. That means for the autism population that 84% are under the

age of 22, with 78% under the age of 18. It is a remarkable fact that

adults with autism make up only 16% of the autism population, while in

the same DD system 55% of the cerebral palsy population, 61% of the

mental retardation population, and 63% of the epilepsy population are

adults over the age of 22 years old. Using an average of the CP, MR,

and epilepsy populations, it is safe to assume that adults over the

age of 22 with moderate to severe autism should constitute roughly 60%

of the total autism population, not 16% as they do and have for many

years.

So, rather then having just 5125 adults currently in our system with

full syndrome autism, we should have somewhere around 19,685 adults

with full syndrome autism if you believe the flat earth folks that

there has been no real change in the incidence of autism. We do know

that there are a very small number of adults with autism in

California's five remaining state institutions... 358 to be precise.

So doing the math leads me to these conclusions:

Based on the fact that roughly 60% of adults with the three other

conditions served by California's DD system (MR, CP, and Epilepsy) are

over the age of 22 years old, and recognizing that we have only 5125

(16%) of the autism population over the age 22, add in the 358 who

currently reside in state run institutions, we are short 14,202 adults

with autism in our system that should be there! That number represents

43% of the entire current autism population in California's DD system.

43% of the population missing? Over 14,000 adults in California

suffering with full syndrome autism and no one has seen or heard from

them? Is this possible, or is it that they simply do not or ever

existed. Is it also a fact that DDS has documented, in two separate

Reports, that California's autism epidemic began roughly 22 plus years

ago.

Believe me when I say....The world is round.

-Rick Rollens

[Guest guest]

Will this produce a haughty letter from K Seidel chastising Rick for

claiming autistic adults would run amok through homeless shelters?

Maybe Kathleen's too busy hunting for those 76 year olds I keep

asking about.

>

>

> From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens.

>

> I for one am really sick and tired of the current stock of " the

world

> is flat " thinkers who continue to spew the notion that there has

been

> no real increase in autism, that the prevalence and incidence of

> autism has remained the same all these years, and in years past we

> simply over looked thousands of persons with autism, and today we

> finally found them. Bottom line: they have always been here.

>

> I believe that applying a little common sense and facts provided by

> our California Department of Developmental Services (DDS) we can

once

> and for all drive the spike of fact and truth into the heart of

these

> modern day flat earth society members who may be living in our

world,

> but seem to be far removed from it's obvious realities.

>

> Premise : If there has not been a true, dramatic increase in the

> incidence of autism creating an autism epidemic, then we should have

> among us a proportional and sizeable number of adults with autism.

> Since DDS's data only includes those persons with autism who have a

> professional diagnoses of full syndrome (i.e. worst form) of autism,

> we can assume that hiding, misplacing, loosing or not recognizing

> thousands of adults with moderate to severe behavioral issues,

> extremely apparent bazaar social behaviors, and moderate to severe

> language deficits would be impossible. We are not talking about a

> person here who melds into society and is not noticed and/or is not

in

> need of major supports and assistance. They would have to be

> somewhere, and somewhere for adults likes these in California would

> either be in the community or in an institution. Now I guess it is

> possible that some could be homeless, but as far as I know there has

> never been reports of large numbers of persons with moderate to

severe

> autism running amok through homeless shelters and soup kitchens, if

> they were there, Iam sure we would have heard about it by now.

> California's developmental services system has been in place since

> 1969...38 years for adults with autism and their families to find

> their way into the system.

>

>

> Facts: According to the latest data from DDS, there are 32,809

persons

> with autism in California's DD system...16% or 5125 are adults over

22

> years old. That means for the autism population that 84% are under

the

> age of 22, with 78% under the age of 18. It is a remarkable fact

that

> adults with autism make up only 16% of the autism population, while

in

> the same DD system 55% of the cerebral palsy population, 61% of the

> mental retardation population, and 63% of the epilepsy population

are

> adults over the age of 22 years old. Using an average of the CP, MR,

> and epilepsy populations, it is safe to assume that adults over the

> age of 22 with moderate to severe autism should constitute roughly

60%

> of the total autism population, not 16% as they do and have for many

> years.

>

> So, rather then having just 5125 adults currently in our system with

> full syndrome autism, we should have somewhere around 19,685 adults

> with full syndrome autism if you believe the flat earth folks that

> there has been no real change in the incidence of autism. We do know

> that there are a very small number of adults with autism in

> California's five remaining state institutions... 358 to be

precise.

> So doing the math leads me to these conclusions:

>

> Based on the fact that roughly 60% of adults with the three other

> conditions served by California's DD system (MR, CP, and Epilepsy)

are

> over the age of 22 years old, and recognizing that we have only 5125

> (16%) of the autism population over the age 22, add in the 358 who

> currently reside in state run institutions, we are short 14,202

adults

> with autism in our system that should be there! That number

represents

> 43% of the entire current autism population in California's DD

system.

>

> 43% of the population missing? Over 14,000 adults in California

> suffering with full syndrome autism and no one has seen or heard

from

> them? Is this possible, or is it that they simply do not or ever

> existed. Is it also a fact that DDS has documented, in two separate

> Reports, that California's autism epidemic began roughly 22 plus

years

> ago.

>

> Believe me when I say....The world is round.

>

> -Rick Rollens

>

[Guest guest]

And there you have it. Thank you.

>From: " schaferatsprynet " <schafer@...>

>Reply-EOHarm

>EOHarm

>Subject: Numbers added to Flat Earth theory of autism

>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:40:25 -0000

>

>

>From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens.

>

>I for one am really sick and tired of the current stock of " the world

>is flat " thinkers who continue to spew the notion that there has been

>no real increase in autism, that the prevalence and incidence of

>autism has remained the same all these years, and in years past we

>simply over looked thousands of persons with autism, and today we

>finally found them. Bottom line: they have always been here.

>

>I believe that applying a little common sense and facts provided by

>our California Department of Developmental Services (DDS) we can once

>and for all drive the spike of fact and truth into the heart of these

>modern day flat earth society members who may be living in our world,

>but seem to be far removed from it's obvious realities.

>

>Premise : If there has not been a true, dramatic increase in the

>incidence of autism creating an autism epidemic, then we should have

>among us a proportional and sizeable number of adults with autism.

>Since DDS's data only includes those persons with autism who have a

>professional diagnoses of full syndrome (i.e. worst form) of autism,

>we can assume that hiding, misplacing, loosing or not recognizing

>thousands of adults with moderate to severe behavioral issues,

>extremely apparent bazaar social behaviors, and moderate to severe

>language deficits would be impossible. We are not talking about a

>person here who melds into society and is not noticed and/or is not in

>need of major supports and assistance. They would have to be

>somewhere, and somewhere for adults likes these in California would

>either be in the community or in an institution. Now I guess it is

>possible that some could be homeless, but as far as I know there has

>never been reports of large numbers of persons with moderate to severe

>autism running amok through homeless shelters and soup kitchens, if

>they were there, Iam sure we would have heard about it by now.

>California's developmental services system has been in place since

>1969...38 years for adults with autism and their families to find

>their way into the system.

>

>

>Facts: According to the latest data from DDS, there are 32,809 persons

>with autism in California's DD system...16% or 5125 are adults over 22

>years old. That means for the autism population that 84% are under the

>age of 22, with 78% under the age of 18. It is a remarkable fact that

>adults with autism make up only 16% of the autism population, while in

>the same DD system 55% of the cerebral palsy population, 61% of the

>mental retardation population, and 63% of the epilepsy population are

>adults over the age of 22 years old. Using an average of the CP, MR,

>and epilepsy populations, it is safe to assume that adults over the

>age of 22 with moderate to severe autism should constitute roughly 60%

>of the total autism population, not 16% as they do and have for many

>years.

>

>So, rather then having just 5125 adults currently in our system with

>full syndrome autism, we should have somewhere around 19,685 adults

>with full syndrome autism if you believe the flat earth folks that

>there has been no real change in the incidence of autism. We do know

>that there are a very small number of adults with autism in

>California's five remaining state institutions... 358 to be precise.

>So doing the math leads me to these conclusions:

>

>Based on the fact that roughly 60% of adults with the three other

>conditions served by California's DD system (MR, CP, and Epilepsy) are

>over the age of 22 years old, and recognizing that we have only 5125

>(16%) of the autism population over the age 22, add in the 358 who

>currently reside in state run institutions, we are short 14,202 adults

>with autism in our system that should be there! That number represents

>43% of the entire current autism population in California's DD system.

>

>43% of the population missing? Over 14,000 adults in California

>suffering with full syndrome autism and no one has seen or heard from

>them? Is this possible, or is it that they simply do not or ever

>existed. Is it also a fact that DDS has documented, in two separate

>Reports, that California's autism epidemic began roughly 22 plus years

>ago.

>

>Believe me when I say....The world is round.

>

>-Rick Rollens

>

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> From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a fact that

DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's autism

epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago.

>

> Believe me when I say....The world is round.

>

> -Rick Rollens

>

22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal increase

and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of been right

all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!

Charlie

[Guest guest]

Charlie:

When you go from 10 vaccines to 33 vaccines between 1983 and 2006,

it's hard to be certain which thing about vaccines has created

autism.

Mercury is a very solid bet as a major contributor. But, how could

you know for sure when there are 3x as many vaccines?

Only way is to look at Unvax kids and see if the rates are equal!!

Ray is right and so are many others, I believe.

JB

>

> > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a fact

that

> DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's

autism

> epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago.

> >

> > Believe me when I say....The world is round.

> >

> > -Rick Rollens

> >

>

> 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal

increase

> and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of been

right

> all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder what Ray Gallup is up to these days...haven't heard or read anything about him for quite a while now, until mention was made of him here. A few years ago, it was thanks to something that Ray had posted on his TAAP site (which was written by Alan Rees) that led me to wonder why Rees was so upset that Anders Hviid was making a presentation at the February, 2004 IOM Review at taxpayers' expense. I wasn't quite sure which "taxpayers" were being referred to, whether they were American or European, (because at first, I was a bit confused and thought that Gallup himself had written that letter). My curiosity about this apparent vehemence being directed towards Anders Hviid led to me spending my March Break of that year listening to and watching the videos of the IOM's Autism and Vaccine Safety Review. A few months later, I was disappointed by the IOM's decision, but by that time I had already figured out what they would likely decide (after taking

forays into associated issues with MMR, politics surrounding pharmaceutical companies,etc.). Subjecting children to over 30 plus vaccines, and then trying to figure out what may be causing adverse reactions is about the same as letting students do an open-ended science "investigation" with materials which may react with each other, without providing any structure or guidance. I did that with my Grade 3 class when we were messing around with baking soda and vinegar (fun stuff!). We had some guided activities, such as making "volcanoes", "rockets", and "bubble bombs". Those worked rather well, but I found the kids went bonkers at the open-ended activity center, where they could experiment with various ingredients at their own discretion. They were mixing ingredients willy-nilly, and after their wondrous reactions, no-one could remember exactly what they had put in to their cups, or exactly how much. I would

wager that the situation is the same with many of the vaccines that are being pumped into kids these days. I doubt very much that the manufacturers of these vaccines even know how their products may react with other vaccines or drugs. If one reads some of their product monographs, or even the "labels" sent to the FDA, this lack of testing and especially the lack of testing for pharmalogical reactivity becomes evident. Aasa bradfordhandley <bradfordhandley@...> wrote: Charlie:When you go from 10 vaccines to 33 vaccines between 1983 and 2006, it's hard to be certain which thing about vaccines has created autism.Mercury is a very solid bet as a major contributor. But, how could you know for sure when there are 3x as many vaccines?Only way is to look at Unvax kids and see if the rates are equal!!Ray is right and so are many others, I believe.JB> > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a fact that > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's autism > epidemic

began roughly 22 plus years ago. > > > > Believe me when I say....The world is round. > > > > -Rick Rollens> >> > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal increase > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of been right > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!> > Charlie>

[Guest guest]

I think Ray is still active with April and TAAP, but I don't get their e-mails anymore so i don't really know for sure.Aasa <penas7ar@...> wrote: I wonder what Ray Gallup is up to these days...haven't heard or read anything about him for quite a while now, until mention was made of him here. A few years ago, it was thanks to something that Ray had posted on his TAAP site (which was written by Alan Rees) that led me to wonder why Rees was so upset that Anders Hviid was making a presentation at

the February, 2004 IOM Review at taxpayers' expense. I wasn't quite sure which "taxpayers" were being referred to, whether they were American or European, (because at first, I was a bit confused and thought that Gallup himself had written that letter). My curiosity about this apparent vehemence being directed towards Anders Hviid led to me spending my March Break of that year listening to and watching the videos of the IOM's Autism and Vaccine Safety Review. A few months later, I was disappointed by the IOM's decision, but by that time I had already figured out what they would likely decide (after taking forays into associated issues with MMR, politics surrounding pharmaceutical companies,etc.). Subjecting children to over 30 plus vaccines, and then trying to figure out what may be causing adverse reactions is about the same as letting students do an open-ended science "investigation" with materials which may react with each

other, without providing any structure or guidance. I did that with my Grade 3 class when we were messing around with baking soda and vinegar (fun stuff!). We had some guided activities, such as making "volcanoes", "rockets", and "bubble bombs". Those worked rather well, but I found the kids went bonkers at the open-ended activity center, where they could experiment with various ingredients at their own discretion. They were mixing ingredients willy-nilly, and after their wondrous reactions, no-one could remember exactly what they had put in to their cups, or exactly how much. I would wager that the situation is the same with many of the vaccines that are being pumped into kids these days. I doubt very much that the manufacturers of these vaccines even know how their products may react with other vaccines or drugs. If one reads some of their product monographs, or even the "labels" sent to the FDA, this lack of testing and

especially the lack of testing for pharmalogical reactivity becomes evident. Aasa bradfordhandley <bradfordhandley > wrote: Charlie:When you go from 10 vaccines to 33 vaccines between 1983 and 2006, it's hard to be certain which thing about vaccines has created autism.Mercury is a very solid bet as a major contributor. But, how could you know for sure when there are 3x as many vaccines?Only way is to look at Unvax kids and see if the rates are equal!!Ray is right and so are many others, I believe.JB> > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a fact that > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's autism > epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago. > > > > Believe me when I say....The world is round. > > > > -Rick Rollens> >> > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal increase > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of been right > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!> > Charlie>

TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV.

[Guest guest]

I concur 100 percent that looking at the unvaxed kids is critically

important.

Actually looking at the kids like Bradstreet, Wakefield, MIND

Institute, etc. have done is " the key " to stopping the epidemic and

helping our damaged children. The failure of the CDC, NIH, IOM, and

mainline medicine to actually examine our children is a terrible

crime and has allowed the nightmare to go on and on. If they had only

listened to Bernie long ago.

I am a big believer in the mercury induced autoimmunity theory of

autism. A PUBMED search of " mercury autoimmunity " returned 157 hits.

Charlie

> >

> > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a fact

> that

> > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's

> autism

> > epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago.

> > >

> > > Believe me when I say....The world is round.

> > >

> > > -Rick Rollens

> > >

> >

> > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal

> increase

> > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of been

> right

> > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!

> >

> > Charlie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

TAAP has disbanded.

Ray has a new group. VAAP.

Really.

From: Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: Re: Numbers added to Flat Earth theory of autismDate: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:28:12 -0800 (PST)

I think Ray is still active with April and TAAP, but I don't get their e-mails anymore so i don't really know for sure.Aasa <penas7arrogers> wrote:

I wonder what Ray Gallup is up to these days...haven't heard or read anything about him for quite a while now, until mention was made of him here. A few years ago, it was thanks to something that Ray had posted on his TAAP site (which was written by Alan Rees) that led me to wonder why Rees was so upset that Anders Hviid was making a presentation at the February, 2004 IOM Review at taxpayers' expense. I wasn't quite sure which "taxpayers" were being referred to, whether they were American or European, (because at first, I was a bit confused and thought that Gallup himself had written that letter). My curiosity about this apparent vehemence being directed towards Anders Hviid led to me spending my March Break of that year listening to and watching the videos of the IOM's Autism and Vaccine Safety Review. A few months later, I was disappointed by the IOM's decision, but by that time I had already figured out what they would likely decide (after taking forays into associated issues with MMR, politics surrounding pharmaceutical companies,etc.).

Subjecting children to over 30 plus vaccines, and then trying to figure out what may be causing adverse reactions is about the same as letting students do an open-ended science "investigation" with materials which may react with each other, without providing any structure or guidance. I did that with my Grade 3 class when we were messing around with baking soda and vinegar (fun stuff!). We had some guided activities, such as making "volcanoes", "rockets", and "bubble bombs". Those worked rather well, but I found the kids went bonkers at the open-ended activity center, where they could experiment with various ingredients at their own discretion. They were mixing ingredients willy-nilly, and after their wondrous reactions, no-one could remember exactly what they had put in to their cups, or exactly how much.

I would wager that the situation is the same with many of the vaccines that are being pumped into kids these days. I doubt very much that the manufacturers of these vaccines even know how their products may react with other vaccines or drugs. If one reads some of their product monographs, or even the "labels" sent to the FDA, this lack of testing and especially the lack of testing for pharmalogical reactivity becomes evident.

Aasa

bradfordhandley <bradfordhandley > wrote:

Charlie:When you go from 10 vaccines to 33 vaccines between 1983 and 2006, it's hard to be certain which thing about vaccines has created autism.Mercury is a very solid bet as a major contributor. But, how could you know for sure when there are 3x as many vaccines?Only way is to look at Unvax kids and see if the rates are equal!!Ray is right and so are many others, I believe.JB> > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a fact that > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's autism > epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago. > > > > Believe me when I say....The world is round. > > > > -Rick Rollens> >> > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal increase > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of been right > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!> > Charlie>

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[Guest guest]

Mark Geier, looking at a portion of the vaccine database (he is the only honest one who has had a chance) concluded that approximately 75+% of autism occurred as a consequence of thimerosal and the remainder was due to Rhogam or live virus vaccines.

While it is much more complex than simply thimerosal, thimerosal is the most common sense place to focus and apparently, the overwhelmingly likely cause (in combination with the vaccine protocol) of the signficant majority of cases. The fact that those with the most information act as if it is the cause, sews up the outcome.

Re: Numbers added to Flat Earth theory of autism

Charlie:When you go from 10 vaccines to 33 vaccines between 1983 and 2006, it's hard to be certain which thing about vaccines has created autism.Mercury is a very solid bet as a major contributor. But, how could you know for sure when there are 3x as many vaccines?Only way is to look at Unvax kids and see if the rates are equal!!Ray is right and so are many others, I believe.JB> > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a fact that > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's autism > epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago. > > > > Believe me when I say....The world is round. > > > > -Rick Rollens> >> > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal increase > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of been right > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!> > Charlie>

[Guest guest]

Since RhoGam contained thimerosal wouldn't that make thimerosal

responsible for more than 75% of ASD cases?

> >

> > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a

fact

> that

> > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's

> autism

> > epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago.

> > >

> > > Believe me when I say....The world is round.

> > >

> > > -Rick Rollens

> > >

> >

> > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal

> increase

> > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of

been

> right

> > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!

> >

> > Charlie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's true.

If memory services, the split more accurately is 85/15.

I guess the point is that even without the thimerosal there was an impact from live virus vaccines and it was significant, even if significantly less than the thimerosal impact.

Re: Numbers added to Flat Earth theory of autism

Since RhoGam contained thimerosal wouldn't that make thimerosal responsible for more than 75% of ASD cases?> > > > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a fact > that > > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's > autism > > epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago. > > > > > > Believe me when I say....The world is round. > > > > > > -Rick Rollens> > >> > > > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal > increase > > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of been > right > > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!> > > > Charlie> >>

[Guest guest]

Henry, I am also wondering if fragile X is included in that non-

thimerosal related 15%. I am speculating here, but I would think

that fragile X is far less common than viral neuroinflammation as a

cause of ASDs.

Also, since thimerosal and other mercury derivatives can alter

genetic expression I would think that in future generations it will

be harder and harder to pinpoint the specific environmental trigger

for autism and other neuro disorders.

By the way, I have become aware of certain " support groups "

for parents of kids with neurlogical problems that appear to be

controlled by pharma. One in particular actually has an M.D.who is

a former Eli Lilly researcher answering medical questions. Has

anyone else seen them?

> > >

> > > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a

> fact

> > that

> > > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that

California's

> > autism

> > > epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago.

> > > >

> > > > Believe me when I say....The world is round.

> > > >

> > > > -Rick Rollens

> > > >

> > >

> > > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the

thimerosal

> > increase

> > > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of

> been

> > right

> > > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles

too!

> > >

> > > Charlie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Fragile X is relatively/quite rare.

Re: Numbers added to Flat Earth theory of autism

Henry, I am also wondering if fragile X is included in that non-thimerosal related 15%. I am speculating here, but I would think that fragile X is far less common than viral neuroinflammation as a cause of ASDs.Also, since thimerosal and other mercury derivatives can alter genetic expression I would think that in future generations it will be harder and harder to pinpoint the specific environmental trigger for autism and other neuro disorders.By the way, I have become aware of certain "support groups" for parents of kids with neurlogical problems that appear to be controlled by pharma. One in particular actually has an M.D.who is a former Eli Lilly researcher answering medical questions. Has anyone else seen them? > > > > > > > From Calfornia autism advocate Rick Rollens. Is it also a > fact > > that > > > DDS has documented, in two separate Reports, that California's > > autism > > > epidemic began roughly 22 plus years ago. > > > > > > > > Believe me when I say....The world is round. > > > > > > > > -Rick Rollens> > > >> > > > > > 22 years ago...1985. Epidemic onset was before the thimerosal > > increase > > > and the rates aren't falling. Looks like Ray Gallop might of > been > > right > > > all along. The world is not only round, it has the measles too!> > > > > > Charlie> > >> >>