Re: I'm Just a Big Nothing; psychologist is a moron

[Guest guest]

Hi This actually happened a couple of weeks before Xmas, but I wanted to share our latest round of IEP (we are scheduled to meet in a few months and we have hired an attorney who will be present). Prior the IEP, everyone agreed that we needed to move up his triennial (once every 3 year). I really did not want the pschological evaluation as I believe his condition has everything to do with viruses and heavy metal toxicity and nothing to do with mental illness, but I got talked into it. The staff psychologist and I hate each other -- I am civil but she is not. She once said to me that the entire ASD epidemic could be solved if "all of these nerds would stop having babies. Just check out some of these parents." So any way, she is the last one in the IEP to present and she opens with something along the lines that my just turned 6 year old might be suffering

from clinical manic depression and should be referred immediately to a psychiatrist for treatment options if his condition presists. My son's was just getting out of class -- and even though we live 10 minutes from the school -- he spends one hour on it each way because he is the first kid picked up and the last one dropped off. But he LOVES that stupid bus -- too much if you know what I mean. So I request to have brought in and said that since we were done with the IEP I could drive him home. They brought in and with the entire room present I said, Vera: ", this is Mrs. X (the psychologist), do you remember talking to her last week.?" : "I sure do." Vera: Mrs. X seems to think you are very sad. How do you feel?" : "I feel great." Mrs. X: "But , why did you tell me several times, "I'm just a BIG nothing?" : "Because that is what the number zero says to the number one on my new Leapster Math Circus video. I'm just a BIG nothing." Vera: I demand we strike any reference from his school records to manic depression or referal for psychiatric evaluation. Mrs. XX: Snarls at me. Vera: I stick my tongue out at her (so no one else could see) and will have an attorney review the records and make the changes we were promised 5 months ago. And the beat goes on.

[Guest guest]

Vera,

I moved from a very large school district many years ago, sold my

house etc. just to be here in tiny little Glide, Oregon for their

school and have never regretted it. Had I stayed in Roseburg I fear

what may have happened, but my guess is someone would have been in

jail, probably me for assault. Found out they were using

restraints, and the list goes on and on and on.

At my new school, every teacher goes to training the year before my

daughter hits their class. I run the IEP meetings and even write

most of the IEP as they see me as the expert and are thankful for my

knowledge and input. The " District " Psychologist is the only person

from the old school district still involved but only shows up once

every year or two or three.

At her last visit she was to retest my 90% recovered daughter and I

made it very clear there would be no I.Q. testing. Never has been

and never will be. No number will ever determine expectations for

my child, whether that number is high or low, either way can be

damaging and I wouldn't allow it even if she has never been

diagnosed with Autism. She was very determined, so I leaned over to

her but the entire meeting could hear me and said clearly, " If you

I.Q. test my daughter I will sue you personally, and this is being

documented in this meeting " . She huffed out of the room. At the

meeting to review the testing results she goes out of her way to

tell me that while she did not I.Q. test my daughter, she did ask

her to draw a person which is somehow a part of the I.Q. test. She

then tells me, from that picture I would say her I.Q. is

exceptionally high. Needless to say this was not a pleasant

interaction either. She totally missed the point, that I do not

want an I.Q. number. They really think they know best. Luckily she

has no real part in my daughters education and is only tolerated

once every few years.

The funniest part of this meeting is when the teacher, speech

pathologist, principal, special education teacher and myself all

busted out laughing at her in unison as she described an interaction

she had had with Keely during the testing. She was startled by our

reaction and we all said in unison, she had your number, she

manipulated you better than a chiropractor could. And, this from a

supposed expert. My daughter had her giving 4 or 5 concessions for

every one answer she gave her back. I was humored by the vision of

this lady jumping up and down, acting out Keely's directions and

giving her 10 minutes for every tiny answer. What a dope.

Hang in there Vera.

Kendra

>

> Hi

>

> This actually happened a couple of weeks before Xmas, but I

wanted to share our latest round of IEP (we are scheduled to meet in

a few months and we have hired an attorney who will be present).

>

> Prior the IEP, everyone agreed that we needed to move up his

triennial (once every 3 year). I really did not want the

pschological evaluation as I believe his condition has everything to

do with viruses and heavy metal toxicity and nothing to do with

mental illness, but I got talked into it. The staff psychologist

and I hate each other -- I am civil but she is not. She once said

to me that the entire ASD epidemic could be solved if " all of these

nerds would stop having babies. Just check out some of these

parents. "

>

> So any way, she is the last one in the IEP to present and she

opens with something along the lines that my just turned 6 year old

might be suffering from clinical manic depression and should be

referred immediately to a psychiatrist for treatment options if his

condition presists.

>

> My son's was just getting out of class -- and even though we

live 10 minutes from the school -- he spends one hour on it each way

because he is the first kid picked up and the last one dropped off.

But he LOVES that stupid bus -- too much if you know what I mean.

>

> So I request to have brought in and said that since we were

done with the IEP I could drive him home. They brought in and

with the entire room present I said,

>

> Vera: " , this is Mrs. X (the psychologist), do you remember

talking to her last week.? "

>

> : " I sure do. "

>

> Vera: Mrs. X seems to think you are very sad. How do you feel? "

>

> : " I feel great. "

>

> Mrs. X: " But , why did you tell me several times, " I'm just

a BIG nothing? "

>

> : " Because that is what the number zero says to the number

one on my new Leapster Math Circus video. I'm just a BIG nothing. "

>

> Vera: I demand we strike any reference from his school records

to manic depression or referal for psychiatric evaluation.

>

> Mrs. XX: Snarls at me.

>

> Vera: I stick my tongue out at her (so no one else could see)

and will have an attorney review the records and make the changes we

were promised 5 months ago.

>

> And the beat goes on.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Vera: What does the acronym IEP actually stand for in the States? Here, in Ontario, an IEP is an Individual Education Plan which is made up by the student's teachers (including any special education and/or regular teachers) in consultation with the parents, and is referred to during reporting periods. Our IEP's are written twice a year for each student (it used to be 3 times a year, some years back). I guess that's why I couldn't imagine having an "IEP" only once every 3 years, as the document is meant to guide the programming for the student for a particular term. It seems that your "IEP" is more closely equated with either our SST (School Support Team) or IPRC (Interdisciplinary Placement Review Committee, which is even more formal) meetings.School psychologists and special ed consultants can be present at both meetings, but the IPRC meetings usually have an officiating principal who does not know the student

being discussed and at those meetings, they can change a child's designation and/or placement. Even at that rate, we usually have a less formal IPRC Review Meeting in the spring, to discuss the student's progress and placement for the following year. Also, if parents want an IPRC meeting, they can notify the school in writing, and our school board has two weeks to send the parents a letter, with a date for the IPRC. Aasa P.S., Good going, and all the best at your next IEP! Vera <sircarlito@...> wrote: Hi This actually happened a couple of weeks before Xmas, but I wanted to share our latest round of IEP (we are scheduled to meet in a few months and we have hired an attorney who will be present). Prior the IEP, everyone agreed that we needed to move up his triennial (once every 3 year). I really did not want the pschological evaluation as I believe his condition has everything to do with viruses and heavy metal toxicity and nothing to do with mental illness, but I got talked into it. The staff psychologist and I hate each other -- I am civil but she is not. She once said to me that the entire ASD epidemic could be solved if "all of these nerds would stop having babies. Just check out some of these parents." So any way, she is the last one

in the IEP to present and she opens with something along the lines that my just turned 6 year old might be suffering from clinical manic depression and should be referred immediately to a psychiatrist for treatment options if his condition presists. My son's was just getting out of class -- and even though we live 10 minutes from the school -- he spends one hour on it each way because he is the first kid picked up and the last one dropped off. But he LOVES that stupid bus -- too much if you know what I mean. So I request to have brought in and said that since we were done with the IEP I could drive him home. They brought in and with the entire room present I said, Vera: ", this is Mrs. X (the psychologist), do you remember talking to her last week.?" : "I sure do." Vera:

Mrs. X seems to think you are very sad. How do you feel?" : "I feel great." Mrs. X: "But , why did you tell me several times, "I'm just a BIG nothing?" : "Because that is what the number zero says to the number one on my new Leapster Math Circus video. I'm just a BIG nothing." Vera: I demand we strike any reference from his school records to manic depression or referal for psychiatric evaluation. Mrs. XX: Snarls at me. Vera: I stick my tongue out at her (so no one else could see) and will have an attorney review the records and make the changes we were promised 5 months ago. And the beat goes on.

[Guest guest]

Let me explain one point. You automatically have an IEP scheduled every year, but you can have them as frequently as you request (with certain minimal restrictions). This was our second IEP this year. By tri-ennial, I was referring to comprehensive testing for academics, OT, APE (applied pyshical education), and psychology. They do not test IQ that I am aware of == more to get a sense of where the childen fits in academically, strengths and weaknesses, etc. Thanks n -- I will look into that. The IQ thing never dawned on me. It was the comprehensive testing that we wanted moved up because he is in OT even though he clearly no longer needs it, needs to up the APE and I wanted a better sense as to his academic placement. He was supposed to start mainstreaming several months ago and it was written into his IEP. I knew he would test way above grade level in academics

and is not really a behavior problem -- but he still needs an aide which the district has not produced. The school said would lose the precious bus if we started to mainstream (a lie) and I knew that it would really really upset him if he lost the bus and that losing it would interfere with the rest of his progress. has started telling me that he no longer wants to go the other kindergarden class (which he wanted to several months ago) because the teacher "needs" him in his current class. I do not want to yank him out entirely, but there is no way in Tahiti that a kid who is reading in kindergarden and doing addition and arithematic should spend his entire day in special ed --absent severe behavior issues which he does not have. His shcool evaluation still had him as moderate to severe ASD, non-verbal, and mild mental retardation. So we are getting an attorney to insure that

he starts to mainstream, keeps the bus, drops the OT. We also want it documented that he needs support for his lower back due to late onset mercury induced (via the vaccine schedule) CP. And yes, I have that wriiten into his IEP. The teacher is now fighting us on mainstreaming because she also has an autistic son and wants me to realize that it is a psychological condition that he will have the rest of his life. So we are not at war -- sort of. I also found out from about a ton of unreported violence in the Special Ed class that none of the other kids can communicate -- but can and tells us every day who got slugged with a closed fist on the top of the head by an out of control "MY CHILD IS NOT AUTISTIC LITTLE BOY." BTW, he tested two years over grade level in reading and language arts and one level over grade level in math -- go figure. Best wishes Vera Aasa <penas7ar@...> wrote: Hi Vera: What does the acronym IEP actually stand for in the States? Here, in Ontario, an IEP is an Individual Education Plan which is made up by the student's teachers (including any special education and/or regular teachers) in consultation with the parents, and is referred to during reporting periods. Our IEP's are written twice a year for each student (it used to be 3 times a year, some years back). I guess that's why I

couldn't imagine having an "IEP" only once every 3 years, as the document is meant to guide the programming for the student for a particular term. It seems that your "IEP" is more closely equated with either our SST (School Support Team) or IPRC (Interdisciplinary Placement Review Committee, which is even more formal) meetings.School psychologists and special ed consultants can be present at both meetings, but the IPRC meetings usually have an officiating principal who does not know the student being discussed and at those meetings, they can change a child's designation and/or placement. Even at that rate, we usually have a less formal IPRC Review Meeting in the spring, to discuss the student's progress and placement for the following year. Also, if parents want an IPRC meeting, they can notify the school in writing, and our school board has two weeks to send the parents a letter, with a date for the IPRC. Aasa P.S., Good going, and all the best at your next IEP! Vera <sircarlitosbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Hi This actually happened a couple of weeks before Xmas, but I wanted to share our latest round of IEP (we are scheduled to meet in a few months and we have hired an attorney who will be present). Prior the IEP, everyone agreed that we needed to move up his triennial (once every 3 year). I really did not want the pschological evaluation as I believe his condition has everything to do with viruses and heavy metal toxicity and nothing to do with mental illness, but I got talked into it. The staff psychologist and I hate each other -- I am civil but she is not. She once said to

me that the entire ASD epidemic could be solved if "all of these nerds would stop having babies. Just check out some of these parents." So any way, she is the last one in the IEP to present and she opens with something along the lines that my just turned 6 year old might be suffering from clinical manic depression and should be referred immediately to a psychiatrist for treatment options if his condition presists. My son's was just getting out of class -- and even though we live 10 minutes from the school -- he spends one hour on it each way because he is the first kid picked up and the last one dropped off. But he LOVES that stupid bus -- too much if you know what I mean. So I request to have brought in and said that since we were done with the IEP I could drive him home. They brought in and with the entire room present I said, Vera: ", this is Mrs. X (the psychologist), do you remember talking to her last week.?" : "I sure do." Vera: Mrs. X seems to think you are very sad. How do you feel?" : "I feel great." Mrs. X: "But , why did you tell me several times, "I'm just a BIG nothing?" : "Because that is what the number zero says to the number one on my new Leapster Math Circus video. I'm just a BIG nothing." Vera: I demand we strike any reference from his school records to manic depression or referal for psychiatric evaluation. Mrs. XX: Snarls at me. Vera: I stick my tongue out at her (so no one else could see) and will have an attorney review the records and make the changes we

were promised 5 months ago. And the beat goes on.

[Guest guest]

ROFL! I know why people with autism bang their heads... so we don't

have to.

Debi

[Guest guest]

Sounds to me like the psychologist is diagnosing a medical disorder,

which may be practicing medicine, which may be illegal, it is in

most states. You might want to ask her if she is qualified to

diagnose mental disorders.

>

> Hi

>

> This actually happened a couple of weeks before Xmas, but I

wanted to share our latest round of IEP (we are scheduled to meet in

a few months and we have hired an attorney who will be present).

>

> Prior the IEP, everyone agreed that we needed to move up his

triennial (once every 3 year). I really did not want the

pschological evaluation as I believe his condition has everything to

do with viruses and heavy metal toxicity and nothing to do with

mental illness, but I got talked into it. The staff psychologist

and I hate each other -- I am civil but she is not. She once said

to me that the entire ASD epidemic could be solved if " all of these

nerds would stop having babies. Just check out some of these

parents. "

>

> So any way, she is the last one in the IEP to present and she

opens with something along the lines that my just turned 6 year old

might be suffering from clinical manic depression and should be

referred immediately to a psychiatrist for treatment options if his

condition presists.

>

> My son's was just getting out of class -- and even though we

live 10 minutes from the school -- he spends one hour on it each way

because he is the first kid picked up and the last one dropped off.

But he LOVES that stupid bus -- too much if you know what I mean.

>

> So I request to have brought in and said that since we were

done with the IEP I could drive him home. They brought in and

with the entire room present I said,

>

> Vera: " , this is Mrs. X (the psychologist), do you remember

talking to her last week.? "

>

> : " I sure do. "

>

> Vera: Mrs. X seems to think you are very sad. How do you feel? "

>

> : " I feel great. "

>

> Mrs. X: " But , why did you tell me several times, " I'm just

a BIG nothing? "

>

> : " Because that is what the number zero says to the number

one on my new Leapster Math Circus video. I'm just a BIG nothing. "

>

> Vera: I demand we strike any reference from his school records

to manic depression or referal for psychiatric evaluation.

>

> Mrs. XX: Snarls at me.

>

> Vera: I stick my tongue out at her (so no one else could see)

and will have an attorney review the records and make the changes we

were promised 5 months ago.

>

> And the beat goes on.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Aasa. IEP means the same thing here in the states (although

sometimes it makes a parent wonder!).

Also, 3 year IEPs are an " option. " I assume there are schools that

don't tell parents they have other options - like the annual IEPs

they used to have.

Carolyn

in Toledo, Ohio

> Hi

>

> This actually happened a couple of weeks before Xmas, but I

wanted to share our latest round of IEP (we are scheduled to meet in

a few months and we have hired an attorney who will be present).

>

> Prior the IEP, everyone agreed that we needed to move up his

triennial (once every 3 year). I really did not want the

pschological evaluation as I believe his condition has everything to

do with viruses and heavy metal toxicity and nothing to do with

mental illness, but I got talked into it. The staff psychologist and

I hate each other -- I am civil but she is not. She once said to me

that the entire ASD epidemic could be solved if " all of these nerds

would stop having babies. Just check out some of these parents. "

>

> So any way, she is the last one in the IEP to present and she

opens with something along the lines that my just turned 6 year old

might be suffering from clinical manic depression and should be

referred immediately to a psychiatrist for treatment options if his

condition presists.

>

> My son's was just getting out of class -- and even though we live

10 minutes from the school -- he spends one hour on it each way

because he is the first kid picked up and the last one dropped off.

But he LOVES that stupid bus -- too much if you know what I mean.

>

> So I request to have brought in and said that since we were

done with the IEP I could drive him home. They brought in and

with the entire room present I said,

>

> Vera: " , this is Mrs. X (the psychologist), do you remember

talking to her last week.? "

>

> : " I sure do. "

>

> Vera: Mrs. X seems to think you are very sad. How do you feel? "

>

> : " I feel great. "

>

> Mrs. X: " But , why did you tell me several times, " I'm just a

BIG nothing? "

>

> : " Because that is what the number zero says to the number

one on my new Leapster Math Circus video. I'm just a BIG nothing. "

>

> Vera: I demand we strike any reference from his school records

to manic depression or referal for psychiatric evaluation.

>

> Mrs. XX: Snarls at me.

>

> Vera: I stick my tongue out at her (so no one else could see)

and will have an attorney review the records and make the changes we

were promised 5 months ago.

>

> And the beat goes on.

>

[Guest guest]

It's called Teen Screen.

Here's a website that gives step by step instructions how they are

doing it via school minus parents consent.

-http://www.psychsearch.net/teenscreen.html

" TeenScreen Project Coordinator, Kathleen Cigich, was quoted as

saying: " We found early on, though, that sending out letters directly

to parents is prohibitively time consuming and gets a low response

rate. We thought, why not go to students themselves and offer a $5

video store coupon to anyone who brings back a parental consent form

within a two-day turnaround period. It works. Our response rate is

extremely high. "

-- In EOHarm , " Gilmore " <yogilmore@...> wrote:

>

> Sounds to me like the psychologist is diagnosing a medical

disorder,

> which may be practicing medicine, which may be illegal, it is in

> most states. You might want to ask her if she is qualified to

> diagnose mental disorders.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Seeing through the Mrs X filter?

>

> Hi

>

> This actually happened a couple of weeks before Xmas, but I

wanted to share our latest round of IEP (we are scheduled to meet in

a few months and we have hired an attorney who will be present).

>

> Prior the IEP, everyone agreed that we needed to move up his

triennial (once every 3 year). I really did not want the

pschological evaluation as I believe his condition has everything to

do with viruses and heavy metal toxicity and nothing to do with

mental illness, but I got talked into it. The staff psychologist and

I hate each other -- I am civil but she is not. She once said to me

that the entire ASD epidemic could be solved if " all of these nerds

would stop having babies. Just check out some of these parents. "

>

> So any way, she is the last one in the IEP to present and she

opens with something along the lines that my just turned 6 year old

might be suffering from clinical manic depression and should be

referred immediately to a psychiatrist for treatment options if his

condition presists.

>

> My son's was just getting out of class -- and even though we live

10 minutes from the school -- he spends one hour on it each way

because he is the first kid picked up and the last one dropped off.

But he LOVES that stupid bus -- too much if you know what I mean.

>

> So I request to have brought in and said that since we were

done with the IEP I could drive him home. They brought in and

with the entire room present I said,

>

> Vera: " , this is Mrs. X (the psychologist), do you remember

talking to her last week.? "

>

> : " I sure do. "

>

> Vera: Mrs. X seems to think you are very sad. How do you feel? "

>

> : " I feel great. "

>

> Mrs. X: " But , why did you tell me several times, " I'm just a

BIG nothing? "

>

> : " Because that is what the number zero says to the number

one on my new Leapster Math Circus video. I'm just a BIG nothing. "

>

> Vera: I demand we strike any reference from his school records

to manic depression or referal for psychiatric evaluation.

>

> Mrs. XX: Snarls at me.

>

> Vera: I stick my tongue out at her (so no one else could see)

and will have an attorney review the records and make the changes we

were promised 5 months ago.

>

> And the beat goes on.

>