Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 , As a person who has organized event before, THANKS for all of your hard work and dedicated. The general public NEVER fully understands all the work that is put into something like this. A REAL debate is very hard to do. It's amazing how the other side will bash " us " in the media- but they won't go face to face against Kirby. I've felt it from the beginning that is like an angel brought down from heaven because events like this would have NEVER happened without him. Some of us used to talk before EOH and say " we're going to have to wait for someone famous to have a kid with autism " . Well that happened a bunch of times- but the only person who speaks for us on a national level is . A journalist without a child with autism who doesn't give up. Then is supported by ALL of the other parents and doctors- writing letters, paying for ad space, talking to politicians, buying copies of EOH and handing them out, etc. Everyone has got to get involved with this. TACA put in an incredible amount of work and the sponsors helped with the $12,000 price tag. That's A LOT of money for a 2 hour event. Again- thanks to everyone involved- because 's words (aka the truth) will never be heard unless WE put in the hard work. has spoken around North America to crowds 10 people to 1000 people. But like said- videotaping it is the key. If a tree falls in the woods..... Heeren LIAC Director Mom to , Recovering from " Autism " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 , Thank you for this summary and thanks to you and everyone else for all the hard work to put the event together. I think it is a great fact to know that 14 doctors declined to debate. Maybe we are making progress in this fight? can't wait to see it! Heidi From: " Ackerman" <tacanow@...>Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: Debate and moreDate: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:37:12 -0800 JB - I would have to agree. To update everyone and JB: We did the debate on Jan 13th. It took 15 months in preparation. We had some serious requirements for this event: 1) It had to be on a university campus 2) It had to be filmed (2 cameras were required so ARI & UCSD campus crew filmed simultaneously.) 3) It had to be a non-biased presentation - no TACA parents like myself on the stage crying (like I would be.) Becky obtained a Fox News journalist and had the UCSD department head of cognitive sciences open the event and handle & ask the questions. 4) It would have no microphone in the audience so questions did not include a lot of extra time and personal stories - so we could get to the issue fast and as many questions as humanly possible. Keep it to facts. Keep the questions brief and answers for up to 2 minutes each. 5) The structure was first for 25 minutes, Arthur second for 25 minutes. Rebuttals of both at 10 minutes each - then questions and answers on 3x5" cards. 6) It would be timed so each speaker would have the same amount of time. (Arthur ended his first part with 10 minutes to spare. I found that interesting.) I have a hard time being partial in my review of the debate due to the fact is my child was damaged by vaccines. I am partial to . had a lot of facts and figures and a ton of information - studies with references. I would say the "lay person" would have gotten lost. I did not. Arthur's presentation had a lot less of facts and figures and the usual suspects on one slide of studies. Arts approach would be similar to the emails - lots of his opinion. He spent time on discounting folks like Wakefield and Rimland (which felt like nails into the heart.) It seemed to me that if you ranked preparation of both speakers the winner would be . I would have to say of the four doctors I spoke to at the debate they both said that did an excellent job. They all mentioned something to the effect of: He would get a very good grade in debate if he was back at school. When I asked the four doctors about how they would rank Arthur's preparation and presentation they all said "he would not get a good grade if he was back in school." I have to write/say this: WE needed Arthur there. He came. He was the 15th person we asked. No doctor would take our invitation to debate the other side. Not one. We asked folks from all over the U.S. but focused on resources in California first. When that did not pan out we kept going down the line. I am thankful that Arthur came. He had the courage to debate the issue. WE NEEDED THIS DEBATE AND WE NEEDED IT ON FILM. It is a huge milemarker in the history of this issue for our kids. I am glad it was done. And I am glad it is the past. There was a ton of effort, thankfully some sponsors to help and thankfully the outcome was what we needed. Collaboration on this event was amazing. We could not have completed the mission without working together. That was truly amazing for this event. I am truly thankful and very happy to do this event with such an amazing group from our community and beyond. We would like to thank the Event Sponsors: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Schuman Hoy & Associates, Berle Family, Stan Kurtz's Children's Corner School, UCSD TV, Alternative Health Care of California & The Trinity Autism Center, Stillpoint Center Integrative Medicine, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego. Without them this event would not be possible. Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00 Was it worth it: YES Please watch the Autism Research Institute site for the complete debate including questions and answers in the next week or so. UCSD will have it up later in about 4-6 weeks. Thank you - TACA From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of bradfordhandleySent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:55 PMEOHarm Subject: Arthur is an $%#^ & @ idiot You need to start at the bottom and read up to see an exchange between Arthur and myself. If this is the best CDC can do, I think our side will be fine.JB*******************From: arthurallenwaol [mailto:arthurallenwaol]Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:03 PMJ.B. HandleySubject: Re: "If your view, and it appears to be your view, is that there is only "paranoia" to anyone who believes in the possible relationship between mercury/vaccines/autism, I would think the comments I forwarded you from the chair of the NIEHS' recent report on VSD would at least shake your foundation a tad, no?"Actually, no. I do not believe that "anyone who belives in the possible relationship between mercury/vaccines/autism" is paranoid. Believing in "a possible relationship" is not the same as what you claim to believe. I believe that people who attribute all of the autism, adhd, diabetes etc ad nauseum to thimerosal in vaccines are either paranoid or stupid or lying. And that is what you claim in your material, is it not? I'm willing to debate people who believe, or claim they believe, that thimerosal has something to do with autism. I'm debating Kirby on Jan. 13 in San Diego. But to leap from that to the kind of totalizing absolutist claims you make is quite another thing.As for the NIEHS report, it shakes nothing. In everything I've ever written in any detail about the Verstraeten report -- which is to say, in my Times magazine article, and in my book -- I've been at pains to describe what a difficult study it was, and how hard it is to glean anything meaningful out of it. The cdc people are the first to admit this, which is why they are working with Sallie Bernard and others in the autism parents' community to try to do better-designed studies using the VSD. The real "scandal" of the Verstraeten paper is that it was rushed and was never able to produce a result that pleased anyone. They wanted to use the VSD cuz they had it, they didn't have any other database that size, and people wanted answers. The thing I wonder about is this -- Blaxill, and you, or whoever it is that wrote about Simpsonwood/Verstraeten on your Website, try to make big conspiratorial points about the shifting risk factors that came out of subsequent iterations of the Verstaten study. The point of the NIEHS report is that whether it was "generation 0" or the Pediatrics publication, they were working with dicey numbers, because of the very low number of unvaccinated kids in their sample. So they were comparing outcomes in kids who all essentially got the same amount of vaccine, but at slightly different times in their first 18 months of life. This seems fairly fruitless--if one kid were theoretically more susceptible to ethyl mercury than another, what difference would it make if he got 62.5 mcg of the stuff at 3 months rather than 4 months? The risk ratios that keep changing dont' mean anything. ArtFrom: J.B. HandleySent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:44 PM'arthurallenwaol'Subject: RE: Arthur:While I strongly disagree with your account of the autism epidemic – both its cause or lack thereof and whether or not it exists - I wouldn't begin to try and psychoanalyze you, as we have never met. Trying to psychoanalyze me or my motivations seems equally obtuse.If your view, and it appears to be your view, is that there is only "paranoia" to anyone who believes in the possible relationship between mercury/vaccines/autism, I would think the comments I forwarded you from the chair of the NIEHS' recent report on VSD would at least shake your foundation a tad, no?Arthur, to think that I am "just a rich guy" meaningfully underestimates both my intellect and will. What I don't care about is the bureaucratic pencil-necks at CDC who took the vaccine schedule from 10 to 32 without ever:- Testing the inter-relationship of all these additional shots- Testing for delayed onset conditions like asthma and autismYou are a journalist. You write:"You're just a rich guy who mysteriously picked the cdc and the medical profession to take his frustrations out on. Why that is I can only guess."You can only guess? Aren't you curious to better understand why? If I were the only "dude" who thought what I thought, fair enough. But, I'm one of tens of thousands of parents who feels this way, along with a growing number of doctors and scientists. To dismiss us as paranoid seems to violate the journalistic code of seeking to understand. I suppose the only thing that true is that your position on this topic is as biased as mine.Like I said before, dude, only one of us can be right. Warmest regards, J.B. HandleyManaging DirectorSwander Pace Capitalp. 415-477-8500www.spcap.comFrom: arthurallenwaol [mailto:arthurallenwaol]Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006J.B. HandleySubject: Re: Yes, you've unleashed a torrent. I've been listening to and looking at the drek you produce for three years now. You're just a rich guy who mysteriously picked the cdc and the medical profession to take his frustrations out on. Why that is I can only guess. But you have the wallet to buy ads in big newspapers and set up websites that produce slick, meaningless lies. Or maybe you actually believe that -- I'm paraphrasing --"the answer is simple, dudes -- it's the mercury". This explains everything -- adhd, autism, acne, diabetes, rock and roll, you name it. I'm sorry, this is too ludicrous to debate. Did you ever read Coulter's stuff? He wrote a book in 1990 in which he blamed the DTP shot for all of the same things you blame on mercury. Decades earlier there were writers like him who blamed everything on the smallpox vaccine. There's a word for this -- paranoia. Your take on the world is simply unhinged. But your bullying manner suggests to me that you don't really care. I don't see you as the type of guy who admits his mistakes.http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/109/1/124Here is a link that explains part of the decrease in antigenic load. It's by one of your favorite authors, the evil and sulfuric Dr. Offit, so I don't think it will mean that much to you. ArtOriginal Message-----From: jbh@...To: arthurallenwaolSent: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 6:08 PMSubject: RE: I guess that beats trying to respond to the very reasoned points I put forth to you?I take your unwillingness to respond to my question about antigens as a concession that my position is correct.Crass and ill mannered? Perhaps. Bullying? Hardly. The far more important question, and the one facing both of us, is whether or not I'm right. It seems to me my emails are becoming more well-mannered and yours less so. I'd still welcome some clarity on the antigen comment, which I continue to contend is false, misleading, and serves to reassure parents without a basis in fact.J.B. HandleyManaging DirectorSwander Pace Capitalp. 415-477-8500www.spcap.com________________________________________From: arthurallenwaol [mailto:arthurallenwaol]Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PMJ.B. HandleySubject: Re: I've reported on wars in Central America, Africa and the Balkans. I've talked to Holocaust survivors and old Nazis. I've talked to people who were suffering many different diseases.I've spoken with crime victims, and the parents of murder victims. I've also spoken with a lot of parents of autistics on both sides of this debate. None of them were as crass and ill mannered and bullying as you. Having sick children has nothing to do with manners and respect. And I see no need to respond to you. Put that out on your list and gloat over it, if it makes you fell better. Your website"although children receive fewer antigens from vaccines than they did 20 years ago."Steve:That is a 100% false statement. Here are the summaries for a 0-6 year old vaccine schedule from CDC for 1983 and 2006. I will send you hard copies of their schedule if you want. Please get your facts straight, you are dead wrong on this one.JB HandleyUSA 2006 – CDC scheduleInfluenza (prenatal)Hep B (birth)Hep B (1)DTaP (2)Hib (2)IPV (2)PCV (2)Hep B (4)DTaP (4)Hib (4)IPV (4)PCV (4)Hep B (6)DTaP (6)Hib (6)IPV (6)PCV (6)Influenza (6)Hib (12)MMR (12)Varicella (12)PCV (12)Hep A (12)DTaP (15)Hep A (18)Influenza (18)Influenza (30)Influenza (42)MMR (48)DTaP (48)IPV (48)Influenza (54)Influenza (66)--------------------------------------33USA 1983 – CDC ScheduleDTP (2)OPV (2)DTP (4)OPV (4)DTP (6)MMR (15)DTP (18)OPV (18)DTP (48)OPV (48)--------------------------------------10J.B. 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00 Cost of of coffee/water for presenter(s) $3.00 Watching this debate happen.... Priceless. Bernie, did you catch it up there???? It was for you and all your kids. Love you... > > JB - > > I would have to agree. To update everyone and JB: We did the debate on Jan > 13th. It took 15 months in preparation. > > We had some serious requirements for this event: > > 1) It had to be on a university campus > > 2) It had to be filmed (2 cameras were required so ARI & UCSD campus crew > filmed simultaneously.) > > 3) It had to be a non-biased presentation - no TACA parents like myself on > the stage crying (like I would be.) > Becky obtained a Fox News journalist and had the UCSD department head of > cognitive sciences open the event and handle & ask the questions. > > 4) It would have no microphone in the audience so questions did not include > a lot of extra time and personal stories - so we could get to the issue fast > and as many questions as humanly possible. Keep it to facts. Keep the > questions brief and answers for up to 2 minutes each. > > 5) The structure was first for 25 minutes, Arthur second for 25 > minutes. Rebuttals of both at 10 minutes each - then questions and answers > on 3x5 " cards. > > 6) It would be timed so each speaker would have the same amount of time. > (Arthur ended his first part with 10 minutes to spare. I found that > interesting.) > > I have a hard time being partial in my review of the debate due to the fact > is my child was damaged by vaccines. I am partial to . > had a lot of facts and figures and a ton of information - studies with > references. I would say the " lay person " would have gotten lost. I did not. > > Arthur's presentation had a lot less of facts and figures and the usual > suspects on one slide of studies. Arts approach would be similar to the > emails - lots of his opinion. He spent time on discounting folks like > Wakefield and Rimland (which felt like nails into the heart.) > > It seemed to me that if you ranked preparation of both speakers the winner > would be . I would have to say of the four doctors I spoke to at the > debate they both said that did an excellent job. They all mentioned > something to the effect of: He would get a very good grade in debate if he > was back at school. When I asked the four doctors about how they would rank > Arthur's preparation and presentation they all said " he would not get a good > grade if he was back in school. " > > > > I have to write/say this: WE needed Arthur there. He came. He was the 15th > person we asked. No doctor would take our invitation to debate the other > side. Not one. We asked folks from all over the U.S. but focused on > resources in California first. When that did not pan out we kept going down > the line. I am thankful that Arthur came. He had the courage to debate the > issue. WE NEEDED THIS DEBATE AND WE NEEDED IT ON FILM. > > > > It is a huge milemarker in the history of this issue for our kids. I am glad > it was done. And I am glad it is the past. There was a ton of effort, > thankfully some sponsors to help and thankfully the outcome was what we > needed. > > > > Collaboration on this event was amazing. We could not have completed the > mission without working together. That was truly amazing for this event. I > am truly thankful and very happy to do this event with such an amazing group > from our community and beyond. > > > > We would like to thank the Event Sponsors: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, > Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, > Schuman Hoy & Associates, Berle Family, Stan Kurtz's Children's Corner > School, UCSD TV, Alternative Health Care of California & The Trinity Autism > Center, Stillpoint Center Integrative Medicine, and The Cognitive Science > Department of the University of California, San Diego. Without them this > event would not be possible. > > > Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00 > > Was it worth it: YES > > > > Please watch the Autism Research Institute site for the complete debate > including questions and answers in the next week or so. > > UCSD will have it up later in about 4-6 weeks. > > Thank you - > > > > TACA > > > _____ > > From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of > bradfordhandley > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:55 PM > EOHarm > Subject: Arthur is an $%#^ & @ idiot > > > > You need to start at the bottom and read up to see an exchange > between Arthur and myself. If this is the best CDC can do, I think > our side will be fine. > > JB > > ******************* > > From: arthurallenw@ <mailto:arthurallenw%40aol.com> aol.com > [mailto:arthurallenw@ <mailto:arthurallenw%40aol.com> aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:03 PM > J.B. Handley > Subject: Re: > > > > " If your view, and it appears to be your view, is that there is > only " paranoia " to anyone who believes in the possible relationship > between mercury/vaccines/autism, I would think the comments I > forwarded you from the chair of the NIEHS' recent report on VSD > would at least shake your foundation a tad, no? " > > Actually, no. I do not believe that " anyone who belives in the > possible relationship between mercury/vaccines/autism " is paranoid. > Believing in " a possible relationship " is not the same as what you > claim to believe. I believe that people who attribute all of the > autism, adhd, diabetes etc ad nauseum to thimerosal in vaccines are > either paranoid or stupid or lying. And that is what you claim in > your material, is it not? I'm willing to debate people who believe, > or claim they believe, that thimerosal has something to do with > autism. I'm debating Kirby on Jan. 13 in San Diego. But to > leap from that to the kind of totalizing absolutist claims you make > is quite another thing. > > As for the NIEHS report, it shakes nothing. In everything I've ever > written in any detail about the Verstraeten report -- which is to > say, in my Times magazine article, and in my book -- I've been at > pains to describe what a difficult study it was, and how hard it is > to glean anything meaningful out of it. The cdc people are the first > to admit this, which is why they are working with Sallie Bernard and > others in the autism parents' community to try to do better- designed > studies using the VSD. The real " scandal " of the Verstraeten paper > is that it was rushed and was never able to produce a result that > pleased anyone. They wanted to use the VSD cuz they had it, they > didn't have any other database that size, and people wanted answers. > > The thing I wonder about is this -- Blaxill, and you, or whoever it > is that wrote about Simpsonwood/Verstraeten on your Website, try to > make big conspiratorial points about the shifting risk factors that > came out of subsequent iterations of the Verstaten study. The point > of the NIEHS report is that whether it was " generation 0 " or the > Pediatrics publication, they were working with dicey numbers, > because of the very low number of unvaccinated kids in their sample. > So they were comparing outcomes in kids who all essentially got the > same amount of vaccine, but at slightly different times in their > first 18 months of life. This seems fairly fruitless--if one kid > were theoretically more susceptible to ethyl mercury than another, > what difference would it make if he got 62.5 mcg of the stuff at 3 > months rather than 4 months? The risk ratios that keep changing > dont' mean anything. > > > > > Art > > From: J.B. Handley > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:44 PM > 'arthurallenw@ <mailto:%27arthurallenw%40aol.com> aol.com' > Subject: RE: > > Arthur: > > While I strongly disagree with your account of the autism epidemic - > both its cause or lack thereof and whether or not it exists - I > wouldn't begin to try and psychoanalyze you, as we have never met. > Trying to psychoanalyze me or my motivations seems equally obtuse. > > If your view, and it appears to be your view, is that there is > only " paranoia " to anyone who believes in the possible relationship > between mercury/vaccines/autism, I would think the comments I > forwarded you from the chair of the NIEHS' recent report on VSD > would at least shake your foundation a tad, no? > > Arthur, to think that I am " just a rich guy " meaningfully > underestimates both my intellect and will. What I don't care about > is the bureaucratic pencil-necks at CDC who took the vaccine > schedule from 10 to 32 without ever: > > - Testing the inter-relationship of all these additional shots > - Testing for delayed onset conditions like asthma and autism > > You are a journalist. You write: > > " You're just a rich guy who mysteriously picked the cdc and the > medical profession to take his frustrations out on. Why that is I > can only guess. " > > You can only guess? Aren't you curious to better understand why? If > I were the only " dude " who thought what I thought, fair enough. But, > I'm one of tens of thousands of parents who feels this way, along > with a growing number of doctors and scientists. To dismiss us as > paranoid seems to violate the journalistic code of seeking to > understand. I suppose the only thing that true is that your position > on this topic is as biased as mine. > > Like I said before, dude, only one of us can be right. > > Warmest regards, > > J.B. Handley > Managing Director > Swander Pace Capital > p. 415-477-8500 > www.spcap.com > > From: arthurallenw@ <mailto:arthurallenw%40aol.com> aol.com > [mailto:arthurallenw@ <mailto:arthurallenw%40aol.com> aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 > J.B. Handley > Subject: Re: > > Yes, you've unleashed a torrent. I've been listening to and looking > at the drek you produce for three years now. You're just a rich guy > who mysteriously picked the cdc and the medical profession to take > his frustrations out on. Why that is I can only guess. But you have > the wallet to buy ads in big newspapers and set up websites that > produce slick, meaningless lies. Or maybe you actually believe that - > - I'm paraphrasing -- " the answer is simple, dudes -- it's the > mercury " . This explains everything -- adhd, autism, acne, diabetes, > rock and roll, you name it. I'm sorry, this is too ludicrous to > debate. Did you ever read Coulter's stuff? He wrote a book in > 1990 in which he blamed the DTP shot for all of the same things you > blame on mercury. Decades earlier there were writers like him who > blamed everything on the smallpox vaccine. There's a word for this - > - paranoia. Your take on the world is simply unhinged. But your > bullying manner suggests to me that you don't really care. I don't > see you as the type of guy who admits his mistakes. > > http://pediatrics. > <http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/109/1/124> > aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/109/1/124 > Here is a link that explains part of the decrease in antigenic load. > It's by one of your favorite authors, the evil and sulfuric Dr. > Offit, so I don't think it will mean that much to you. > > > Art > > Original Message----- > From: jbh@... <mailto:jbh%40spcap.com> > arthurallenw@ <mailto:arthurallenw%40aol.com> aol.com > Sent: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 6:08 PM > Subject: RE: > > I guess that beats trying to respond to the very reasoned points I > put forth to you? > > I take your unwillingness to respond to my question about antigens > as a concession that my position is correct. > > Crass and ill mannered? Perhaps. Bullying? Hardly. The far more > important question, and the one facing both of us, is whether or not > I'm right. > > It seems to me my emails are becoming more well-mannered and yours > less so. I'd still welcome some clarity on the antigen comment, > which I continue to contend is false, misleading, and serves to > reassure parents without a basis in fact. > > J.B. Handley > Managing Director > Swander Pace Capital > p. 415-477-8500 > www.spcap.com > > ________________________________________ > From: arthurallenw@ <mailto:arthurallenw%40aol.com> aol.com > [mailto:arthurallenw@ <mailto:arthurallenw%40aol.com> aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM > J.B. Handley > Subject: Re: > > > I've reported on wars in Central America, Africa and the Balkans. > I've talked to Holocaust survivors and old Nazis. I've talked to > people who were suffering many different diseases. > I've spoken with crime victims, and the parents of murder victims. > I've also spoken with a lot of parents of autistics on both sides of > this debate. None of them were as crass and ill mannered and > bullying as you. Having sick children has nothing to do with manners > and respect. And I see no need to respond to you. Put that out on > your list and gloat over it, if it makes you fell better. > > > Your website > > " although children receive fewer antigens from vaccines than they > did 20 years ago. " > > Steve: > > That is a 100% false statement. Here are the summaries for a 0-6 > year old vaccine schedule from CDC for 1983 and 2006. I will send > you hard copies of their schedule if you want. Please get your facts > straight, you are dead wrong on this one. > > JB Handley > > USA 2006 - CDC schedule > > Influenza (prenatal) > Hep B (birth) > Hep B (1) > DTaP (2) > Hib (2) > IPV (2) > PCV (2) > Hep B (4) > DTaP (4) > Hib (4) > IPV (4) > PCV (4) > Hep B (6) > DTaP (6) > Hib (6) > IPV (6) > PCV (6) > Influenza (6) > Hib (12) > MMR (12) > Varicella (12) > PCV (12) > Hep A (12) > DTaP (15) > Hep A (18) > Influenza (18) > Influenza (30) > Influenza (42) > MMR (48) > DTaP (48) > IPV (48) > Influenza (54) > Influenza (66) > -------------------------------------- > 33 > USA 1983 - CDC Schedule > > DTP (2) > OPV (2) > DTP (4) > OPV (4) > DTP (6) > MMR (15) > DTP (18) > OPV (18) > DTP (48) > OPV (48) > > -------------------------------------- > 10 > > J.B. Handley > Managing Director > Swander Pace Capital > p. 415-477-8500 > www.spcap.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 , You and Becky and TACA did a fantastic service to everyone with this. It was worth the money and is an excellent investment in getting the truth out. Thank you for myself and my family. Did TACA families put up the money for this? Lenny > > JB - > > I would have to agree. To update everyone and JB: We did the debate on Jan > 13th. It took 15 months in preparation. > > > Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00 > > Was it worth it: YES > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 On Jan 16, 2007, at 12:18 AM, djberle wrote: > Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00 > Cost of of coffee/water for presenter(s) $3.00 > Watching this debate happen.... > Priceless. > > Bernie, did you catch it up there???? It was for you and all your > kids. > Love you... > with your account of the autism epidemic - > > Good one . I really can't wait to see the video on this. (ps- - did you get my other emails 2 weeks ago?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Lenny, Thankyou for expressing your gratitude to Becky Estepp and Ackerman. They deserve it!! They worked tirelessly for over a year to pull it off. Public acknowledgemnt is definitely in order. To answer your question about funding.... There were numerous sponsors for the event: TACA, ARI, Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Univ. of CA at San Diego and some medical doctors and families. (to name a few) I had the priviledge of attending and watching these great ladies in action. WELL DONE!! > > > > JB - > > > > I would have to agree. To update everyone and JB: We did the debate > on Jan > > 13th. It took 15 months in preparation. > > > > > > Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00 > > > > Was it worth it: YES > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Lenny One TACA family wrote a check - they are listed as a sponsor. All others that wrote a check were vendors or friends of TACA. TACA was out under $4,000 and if you would like to see a breakdown of fundraise raised for 2006 - I would be happy to. TACA does not have a membership fee so families per se did not pick up the balance. Take care - From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of schaferatsprynetSent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:53 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Debate and more ,You and Becky and TACA did a fantastic service to everyone with this.It was worth the money and is an excellent investment in getting thetruth out. Thank you for myself and my family.Did TACA families put up the money for this?Lenny>> JB -> > I would have to agree. To update everyone and JB: We did the debateon Jan> 13th. It took 15 months in preparation.> >> Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00> > Was it worth it: YES> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 , This is to point out that this demonstrates that there is community support for these kinds of valuable education projects. Projects that help lead to the end of the epidemic -- faster than blowing $100 million on genetic research over the next ten years. Lenny > > > > JB - > > > > I would have to agree. To update everyone and JB: We did the debate > on Jan > > 13th. It took 15 months in preparation. > > > > > > Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00 > > > > Was it worth it: YES > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Lenny - Amen - sorry if I came off defensive. But my main point is I don't fundraise off TACA families. It is a big deal to me - they are burdened enough. (EXCEPTION: the only caveat is unless they have the big bucks, have nothing to do with it all and want to designate TACA cause we have helped them. This only represents about 5% of TACA's families and we are thankful for them.) And I agree - the changes in our world come from activists and groups of like minded folks. Side bar: my daughter sliced her leg open yesterday on the rustiest most disgusting thing possible. Her last tetnus shot was 18 years ago. The doctor recommended it. I was on the phone with their office, explained I wanted a mercury free vaccine and DT - not DTaP. She asked why - poor doc got the long story. She tried to mention gentleness of ethyl vs. methyl mercury and I kindly referred her to two studies that said otherwise - she listened. After a few minutes she said "you know I don't agree 100% with you but in the past the medical community has been wrong and I will do everything to help with your wishes for your daughter. Further - send me that book (EOH.)" One person at a time. one study at a time. one debate at a time. one kid recovered or "indistinguishable from their peers" at a time. If that is how it will have to be - I'll take that. All my best, From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of schaferatsprynetSent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:09 AMEOHarm Subject: Re: Debate and more ,This is to point out that this demonstrates that there is communitysupport for these kinds of valuable education projects. Projects thathelp lead to the end of the epidemic -- faster than blowing $100million on genetic research over the next ten years.Lenny> >> > JB -> > > > I would have to agree. To update everyone and JB: We did the debate> on Jan> > 13th. It took 15 months in preparation.> > > >> > Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00> > > > Was it worth it: YES> > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 So, were you able to get the mercury free DT w/o the aP? -- In EOHarm , " Ackerman " <tacanow@...> wrote: > > Lenny - > > Amen - sorry if I came off defensive. But my main point is I don't fundraise > off TACA families. It is a big deal to me - they are burdened enough. > (EXCEPTION: the only caveat is unless they have the big bucks, have nothing > to do with it all and want to designate TACA cause we have helped them. This > only represents about 5% of TACA's families and we are thankful for them.) > > And I agree - the changes in our world come from activists and groups of > like minded folks. > > Side bar: my daughter sliced her leg open yesterday on the rustiest most > disgusting thing possible. Her last tetnus shot was 18 years ago. The doctor > recommended it. I was on the phone with their office, explained I wanted a > mercury free vaccine and DT - not DTaP. She asked why - poor doc got the > long story. She tried to mention gentleness of ethyl vs. methyl mercury and > I kindly referred her to two studies that said otherwise - she listened. > After a few minutes she said " you know I don't agree 100% with you but in > the past the medical community has been wrong and I will do everything to > help with your wishes for your daughter. Further - send me that book (EOH.) " > > One person at a time. one study at a time. one debate at a time. one kid > recovered or " indistinguishable from their peers " at a time. If that is how > it will have to be - I'll take that. > > All my best, > > > > _____ > > From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of > schaferatsprynet > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:09 AM > EOHarm > Subject: Re: Debate and more > > > > > , > This is to point out that this demonstrates that there is community > support for these kinds of valuable education projects. Projects that > help lead to the end of the epidemic -- faster than blowing $100 > million on genetic research over the next ten years. > > Lenny > > > > > > > > JB - > > > > > > I would have to agree. To update everyone and JB: We did the debate > > on Jan > > > 13th. It took 15 months in preparation. > > > > > > > > > Total costs for the event: over $12,000.00 > > > > > > Was it worth it: YES > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Just who are you fooling, ?!? I saw you trying to build up your GF/CF chocolate fudge empire at a conference not so long ago. Don't try denyng that you're becoming the Martha of the autism dodge. OK, so I'm lying a little. But you do make some mean chocolate fudge. Lenny > > Lenny - > > Amen - sorry if I came off defensive. But my main point is I don't fundraise > off TACA families. It is a big deal to me - they are burdened enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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