Re: Re: U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person

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Let's discuss real risk, real numbers, real infections, etc. in an intelligent, honest manner.

And then let's have an intelligent discussion.

Stop the fear-mongering.

Nobody trusts them anymore.

Re: U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person

I can envision the campaign to vaccinate and re-vaccinate..."Every One counts" or "Don't be weasles vaccinate against the measles">> U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person> > > > > > <javascript:eMail_Friend(540,%20540);> Email this Story> > Dec 21, 2:18 PM (ET)> > By DANIEL YEE > > ATLANTA (AP) - The biggest U.S. measles outbreak in a decade - 34 people> stricken in Indiana and Illinois last year - was traced back to a> 17-year-old girl who had traveled to Romania without first getting> vaccinated, government health officials said Thursday. > > The outbreak accounted for more than half of the 66 measles cases in the> United States in 2005. Widespread use of the measles vaccine has> dramatically reduced the incidence of the disease over the past four> decades; in 2004, there were just 37 cases, the smallest number in nearly 90> years of record-keeping. > > The Indiana girl became infected after visiting a Romanian orphanage while> on a church-mission trip, health investigators said. The others became> infected after they attended a church gathering with her the day after her> return. > > "Orphanages are known to be higher risk" for measles, said Dr. Philip Gould> of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "The main point is to> ensure that people do get vaccinated, especially prior to leaving the> country, going to a place that physicians suspect that measles is a risk." > > Thirty-three people in Indiana and one from Illinois became infected. Three> people were hospitalized, but no one died. > > Only two of the 34 people had been vaccinated against measles. > > "The outbreak occurred because measles was imported into a population of> children whose parents had chosen not to vaccinate their children because of> safety concerns, despite evidence that measles-containing vaccine is safe> and effective," the CDC said. > > Nearly all of the 32 other U.S. cases in 2005 originated abroad, including> 16 involving U.S. residents infected while traveling overseas and seven> involving foreigners who were infected before visiting the United States. > > In the decade before a vaccine became available in 1963, about 450,000> measles cases and about 450 measles deaths were recorded in the U.S. each> year. The disease - often characterized by a rash that begins on the face> and spreads - can cause ear infections, diarrhea and pneumonia. It kills> about one in 1,000 patients, according to the CDC. > > The U.S. vaccination rate against measles is now more than 90 percent. > > --- > > On the Net: > > CDC measles info: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/measles/faqs.htm>

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Like I said last year, they need to beat that girl-50 lashes with a wet noodle.andrea52521991 <mkeller@...> wrote: I can envision the campaign to vaccinate and re-vaccinate..."Every One counts" or "Don't be weasles vaccinate against the measles">> U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person> > > > > >

<javascript:eMail_Friend(540,%20540);> Email this Story> > Dec 21, 2:18 PM (ET)> > By DANIEL YEE > > ATLANTA (AP) - The biggest U.S. measles outbreak in a decade - 34 people> stricken in Indiana and Illinois last year - was traced back to a> 17-year-old girl who had traveled to Romania without first getting> vaccinated, government health officials said Thursday. > > The outbreak accounted for more than half of the 66 measles cases in the> United States in 2005. Widespread use of the measles vaccine has> dramatically reduced the incidence of the disease over the past four> decades; in 2004, there were just 37 cases, the smallest number in nearly 90> years of record-keeping. > > The Indiana girl became infected after visiting a Romanian orphanage while> on a church-mission trip, health investigators said. The

others became> infected after they attended a church gathering with her the day after her> return. > > "Orphanages are known to be higher risk" for measles, said Dr. Philip Gould> of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "The main point is to> ensure that people do get vaccinated, especially prior to leaving the> country, going to a place that physicians suspect that measles is a risk." > > Thirty-three people in Indiana and one from Illinois became infected. Three> people were hospitalized, but no one died. > > Only two of the 34 people had been vaccinated against measles. > > "The outbreak occurred because measles was imported into a population of> children whose parents had chosen not to vaccinate their children because of> safety concerns, despite evidence that measles-containing vaccine is safe> and

effective," the CDC said. > > Nearly all of the 32 other U.S. cases in 2005 originated abroad, including> 16 involving U.S. residents infected while traveling overseas and seven> involving foreigners who were infected before visiting the United States. > > In the decade before a vaccine became available in 1963, about 450,000> measles cases and about 450 measles deaths were recorded in the U.S. each> year. The disease - often characterized by a rash that begins on the face> and spreads - can cause ear infections, diarrhea and pneumonia. It kills> about one in 1,000 patients, according to the CDC. > > The U.S. vaccination rate against measles is now more than 90 percent. > > --- > > On the Net: > > CDC measles info: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/measles/faqs.htm> __________________________________________________

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note: If you see the headline it looks as if it's a new outbreak and if you don't dig into the article-most people would think it's 2006 it happened.andrea52521991 <mkeller@...> wrote: I can envision the campaign to vaccinate and re-vaccinate..."Every One counts" or "Don't be weasles vaccinate against the measles">> U.S. Measles Outbreak

Tied to One Person> > > > > > <javascript:eMail_Friend(540,%20540);> Email this Story> > Dec 21, 2:18 PM (ET)> > By DANIEL YEE > > ATLANTA (AP) - The biggest U.S. measles outbreak in a decade - 34 people> stricken in Indiana and Illinois last year - was traced back to a> 17-year-old girl who had traveled to Romania without first getting> vaccinated, government health officials said Thursday. > > The outbreak accounted for more than half of the 66 measles cases in the> United States in 2005. Widespread use of the measles vaccine has> dramatically reduced the incidence of the disease over the past four> decades; in 2004, there were just 37 cases, the smallest number in nearly 90> years of record-keeping. > > The Indiana girl became infected after visiting a Romanian orphanage

while> on a church-mission trip, health investigators said. The others became> infected after they attended a church gathering with her the day after her> return. > > "Orphanages are known to be higher risk" for measles, said Dr. Philip Gould> of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "The main point is to> ensure that people do get vaccinated, especially prior to leaving the> country, going to a place that physicians suspect that measles is a risk." > > Thirty-three people in Indiana and one from Illinois became infected. Three> people were hospitalized, but no one died. > > Only two of the 34 people had been vaccinated against measles. > > "The outbreak occurred because measles was imported into a population of> children whose parents had chosen not to vaccinate their children because of> safety concerns,

despite evidence that measles-containing vaccine is safe> and effective," the CDC said. > > Nearly all of the 32 other U.S. cases in 2005 originated abroad, including> 16 involving U.S. residents infected while traveling overseas and seven> involving foreigners who were infected before visiting the United States. > > In the decade before a vaccine became available in 1963, about 450,000> measles cases and about 450 measles deaths were recorded in the U.S. each> year. The disease - often characterized by a rash that begins on the face> and spreads - can cause ear infections, diarrhea and pneumonia. It kills> about one in 1,000 patients, according to the CDC. > > The U.S. vaccination rate against measles is now more than 90 percent. > > --- > > On the Net: > > CDC measles info: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/measles/faqs.htm> __________________________________________________

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You see, vaccines only work if everyone has the vaccine.

It's the herd immunity.

As in: you stupid fucking sheep.

Re: U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person

"Only two of the 34 people had been vaccinated against measles. " So two people who were vaccinated against measles got the measles??? HMMMM. I was fully vaccinated against measles as a child and I had a terrible case of the measles at age 5. My mother took me in and the doctor told her it was measles. She said but how? she had her vaccination. He just shrugged his shoulders and said " well it happens. " > > >> > U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person> > > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:eMail_Friend(540,%20540);> Email this Story> > > > Dec 21, 2:18 PM (ET)> > > > By DANIEL YEE > > > > ATLANTA (AP) - The biggest U.S. measles outbreak in a decade - 34 > people> > stricken in Indiana and Illinois last year - was traced back to a> > 17-year-old girl who had traveled to Romania without first getting> > vaccinated, government health officials said Thursday. > > > > The outbreak accounted for more than half of the 66 measles cases > in the> > United States in 2005. Widespread use of the measles vaccine has> > dramatically reduced the incidence of the disease over the past four> > decades; in 2004, there were just 37 cases, the smallest number in > nearly 90> > years of record-keeping. > > > > The Indiana girl became infected after visiting a Romanian > orphanage while> > on a church-mission trip, health investigators said. The others > became> > infected after they attended a church gathering with her the day > after her> > return. > > > > "Orphanages are known to be higher risk" for measles, said Dr. > Philip Gould> > of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "The main point > is to> > ensure that people do get vaccinated, especially prior to leaving > the> > country, going to a place that physicians suspect that measles is a > risk." > > > > Thirty-three people in Indiana and one from Illinois became > infected. Three> > people were hospitalized, but no one died. > > > > Only two of the 34 people had been vaccinated against measles. > > > > "The outbreak occurred because measles was imported into a > population of> > children whose parents had chosen not to vaccinate their children > because of> > safety concerns, despite evidence that measles-containing vaccine > is safe> > and effective," the CDC said. > > > > Nearly all of the 32 other U.S. cases in 2005 originated abroad, > including> > 16 involving U.S. residents infected while traveling overseas and > seven> > involving foreigners who were infected before visiting the United > States. > > > > In the decade before a vaccine became available in 1963, about > 450,000> > measles cases and about 450 measles deaths were recorded in the > U.S. each> > year. The disease - often characterized by a rash that begins on > the face> > and spreads - can cause ear infections, diarrhea and pneumonia. It > kills> > about one in 1,000 patients, according to the CDC. > > > > The U.S. vaccination rate against measles is now more than 90 > percent. > > > > --- > > > > On the Net: > > > > CDC measles info: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/measles/faqs.htm> >>

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And I believe if you look not just at the "decade" before, but actually at the decades before, the amount of measles cases had dropped by 97% on it's own before the vaccine was introduced. To claim it was the vaccine that "wiped it out" is ridiculous.

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"In the decade before a vaccine became available in1963, about 450,000 measles cases and about 450measles deaths were recorded in the U.S. each year.The disease - often characterized by a rash thatbegins on the face and spreads - can cause earinfections, diarrhea and pneumonia. It kills about onein 1,000 patients, according to the CDC." In the decade of the 90's, the NVICP paid out damagesfor an average of 50 deaths due to the MMR vaccineeach year. Considering that the CDC and FDAacknowledge that only 10% of adverse events arereported, and that the US Atty's vigorous defendagainst claims that are made based upon arbitraryadmittance standards, the potential is there for 500children to have been killed each year from thevaccine itself, a net loss of 50 lives.This doesn't take into consideration the comparison ofthe cases of lifetime brain damage caused by eitherthe wild disease (which does/did occur) a

nd the MMR(which does occur).Of course, allowing wild measles would not causecorporate profits like the vaccine does, and also doesnot "show" that our public health officials areactively fighting disease.__________________________________________________

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On Dec 22, 2006, at 8:35 AM, H wrote:

> You see, vaccines only work if everyone has the vaccine.

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> It's the herd immunity.

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> As in:  you stupid fucking sheep. 

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Henry- when are you ever going to just say what you mean?

Thanks for the laugh this morning-

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I have no control over what I write.

It just festers like a boil on my scalp.

When squeezed- the stuff just pops out!

Re: Re: U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person

On Dec 22, 2006, at 8:35 AM, H wrote:

You see, vaccines only work if everyone has the vaccine. It's the herd immunity. As in: you stupid fucking sheep. Henry- when are you ever going to just say what you mean?Thanks for the laugh this morning-

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On Dec 22, 2006, at 9:35 AM, H wrote:

> I have no control over what I write.

>  

> It just festers like a boil on my scalp.

>  

> When squeezed-  the stuff just pops out!

>  

oh man.... you had me " i have no control "

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You get 450,000 by multiplying 450 (the actual number) by the fear factor constant (a variable, but inserted as a constant at a point in time depending upon the political exigencies).

Thus 450 X FFC (fear factor variable/constant) = 450,000.

The FFC of 1,000 is used based upon past experiments on herd immunity (those stupid sheep again).

The fear factor constant was actually developed by a psychiatrist who does epidemiology. He appears to know what numbers make sheep, er, I mean people, afraid.

He knows that 450,000 alleged cases of measles freaks people out.

He also plays the trombonne.

Re: U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person

I believe all of these numbers from the CDC are bushit.

"In the decade before a vaccine became available in1963, about 450,000 measles cases and about 450measles deaths were recorded in the U.S. each year."

How in the hell do they even come up with a number like 450,000? It could be more, could be less - families didn't run to the doc for each and every one of their kids when they contracted childhood illnesses. Families were larger then, as well. When one sibling got the measles - it was extremely common for the other siblings to come down with it. The parents just had the kids stay home from school until they recovered - usually no big deal, and not practicle to run to the doc to have all the sibling's measles cases "recorded". Been there done that with contracting childhood illnesses as the youngest sibling of 4 kids. Oh, but I do have that distinctive mark on my upper arm from that wonderful smallpox vaccine though.

As for the 450 cases of death solely from wild measles - just another fabricated number.

>> "In the decade before a vaccine became available in> 1963, about 450,000 measles cases and about 450> measles deaths were recorded in the U.S. each year.> The disease - often characterized by a rash that> begins on the face and spreads - can cause ear> infections, diarrhea and pneumonia. It kills about one> in 1,000 patients, according to the CDC." > > In the decade of the 90's, the NVICP paid out damages> for an average of 50 deaths due to the MMR vaccine> each year. Considering that the CDC and FDA> acknowledge that only 10% of adverse events are> reported, and that the US Atty's vigorous defend> against claims that are made based upon arbitrary> admittance standards, the potential is there for 500> children to have been killed each year from the> vaccine itself, a net loss of 50 lives.> > This doesn't take into consideration the comparison of> the cases of lifetime brain damage caused by either> the wild disease (which does/did occur) and the MMR> (which does occur).> > Of course, allowing wild measles would not cause> corporate profits like the vaccine does, and also does> not "show" that our public health officials are> actively fighting disease.> > > __________________________________________________>

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Vowing not to be vaccinated again (if ever) until all the lies, distortions, etc. are worked out of the system...

I believe the microbes made me do it.

Re: Re: U.S. Measles Outbreak Tied to One Person

On Dec 22, 2006, at 9:35 AM, H wrote:

I have no control over what I write. It just festers like a boil on my scalp. When squeezed- the stuff just pops out! oh man.... you had me "i have no control"