Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Deer just doesn't care that Dr. Wakefield was absolutely right. He doesn't care that my own daughter suffered gut damage from the MMR... Why doesn't someone look to see where Deer is getting his money? The guy is slime. All four feet eleven inches of him. (he's quite short.) > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2524335,00.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Dr. Wakefield has circulated this response to Deer: He prefaced it with this message:  I have attached a response and also a letter to Pediatrics in response to the D'Souza paper. Pediatrics declined to publish it.  Kindest regards and have a great Christmas  Andy   Sunday December 24th 2006  Response by Dr Andy Wakefield to enquiries about expert fees.  Thank you for your enquiry. I hope that the points below will answer any questions you may have about the issue of experts’ fees in the MMR litigation.  1. I worked as an expert in the MMR class action litigation for nearly 9 years. As instructed, I charged for my services and this was at an hourly rate recommended by the BMA after consulting with them on this matter.  2. I worked extremely hard on this very onerous litigation because I believed and still believe in the just cause of the matter under investigation. This work involved nights, weekends and much of my holidays such that I saw little of my family during this time. The price for standing by these children has been high both for my family and my professional status.  3. The money that I received was, after tax and out of pocket expenses, donated to an initiative to create a new center, in the first instance at the Royal Free Hospital, for the care of autistic children and those with bowel disease. This intention was made clear, in writing, to senior members of the medical school. The initiative was unsuccessful at the Royal Free but ultimately succeeded in the US.  4. My role as an expert was declared as a conflict of interest in relevant publications (see references below) that discussed the possible role of MMR vaccine intestinal disease and autism and to journal editors in other instances. I have referenced the relevant publications below for your convenience.  5. The costs judge has revised the sum payable by nearly ₤100,000 and I am happy to abide by this ruling. He has done the same for other experts and I am informed that this is common practice in cases such as this. A substantial part of this money was not paid to me in the first place.  6. My actions were at times taken in the best interests of children potentially damaged by the MMR vaccine. It was my earnest desire to establish a centre of excellence for the care of these children in the UK. Sadly, the political climate in there made this impossible. I remain dedicated to helping these children and resolving the issue of whether vaccines are involved in this disorder or not. I will not be intimidated or coerced into stopping this work prematurely.  References Stott C et al Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons 2004;9:89-91 Wakefield AJ et al. Medical Veritas 2006;3:796-802 =========================  Title: MMR vaccination and autism Letter Authors: Dr J Wakefield MB,BS., FRCS., FRCPath and Dr Carol Stott PhD Response to: D’Souza et al. No evidence of persisting measles virus in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from children with autism spectrum disorder. Pediatrics. 2006;118:1664-75.  Dear Sir, The merit of D’Souza et al’s use of a study of peripheral blood mononuclear cells to dismiss findings in intestinal biopsies is questionable (1). A recent US study using nested PCR and sequencing confirmed the fidelity of the original Uhlmann F-gene primers in the detection of measles virus in intestinal biopsies from children with autism (2).  D’Souza et al claim that, among other things, the ‘epidemiological burden of evidence against such an [causal] association between MMR and autism is overwhelmingâ€. They fail to reference the authoritative Cochrane review of this epidemiology (3) which dismissed much of it as being of insufficient quality to merit consideration, including Fombonne’s own work (4) of which they said, “the number and possible impact of biases in this study was so high that interpretation of the results was difficult.†Even the Cochrane review failed to note that another of Fombonne’s studies using the UK General Practice database (GPRD)(5) tested the wrong hypothesis and lacked sufficient power to detect an association between MMR and regressive autism.  So which studies are sufficient to overwhelm? Several have looked at age of exposure to MMR vaccine and risk of autism. Such a hypothesis is merited on the basis that younger age of exposure to measles virus is associated with an increased risk of adverse outcome including persistent infection and delayed disease. Richler et al posed the question of whether there is an autism phenotype characterized by regression associated with significant intestinal symptoms following MMR vaccine, in a previously developmentally normal or near-normal child (6). Children meeting these criteria were compared with all other autistic children in their study cohort. In this, the only epidemiologic study to at least attempt to segregate this sentinel autism phenotype, age-of-exposure to MMR vaccine was significantly lower (mean age 14.38 months) when compared with the remaining autistic population (mean age 17.71 months; (p<0.05). Strangely - and at odds with their own reported findings - the authors concluded that, ‘there was no evidence that onset of autistic symptoms or of regression was related to MMR vaccination’.  Three further aspects of age-of-exposure to MMR and autism have been reported: DeStefano and colleagues performed a case-control study comparing age at first MMR vaccination in children from the Atlanta metro area (7). By 36 months of age, significantly more cases with autism (93%) had received MMR than controls (91%)(Odds Ratio 1.49; 95% confidence interval [CI] 1.04-2.14). This association was strongest in the 3 to 5-year age group with an Odds Ratio of 2.34. Due to diagnostic delay, a significant proportion of this group had yet to be diagnosed with autism, potentially underestimating this risk. Moreover, in a subgroup analysis looking at children with different disease characteristics, they found a significant association between MMR vaccination by 36 months and autistic children with no evidence of mental retardation (IQ>70; OR 2.54 [1.20-5.00]). The odds ratios were increased to 3.55 in a subgroup analysis adjusted for birth weight, multiple gestation, maternal age and maternal education, thus strengthening the association between age-of-exposure to MMR and autism. It is interesting that their ‘regressive group’ did not show this effect although the interpretation of this finding is severely constrained by their retrospective ascertainment of regression from medical records. First, regression did not form part of the diagnostic algorithm for autism and second, the concept of regression conflicted, until very recently, with the beliefs of most autism diagnosticians. IQ, on the other hand, is an objective measure and a normal IQ appears to be an increasingly common feature among recent cohorts of affected children (8). An IQ within the normal range may well reflect a period of normal cerebral development and in this instance, be a better marker of the late-onset phenotype than retrospective record review. Having tested a hypothesis and found a significant association between autism and age of first MMR exposure, the authors, somewhat curiously, ascribe this effect to an ‘artifact of immunization requirements for pre-school special education attendance in case children’. Such an interpretation would only possibly be valid if the immunization mandate for normal pre-school children were different from that of special education children; it is not. Moreover, the special education group, with a likely excess of contraindications to MMR vaccination such as seizures, should have a lesser exposure to MMR. In addition, if there were no true association, lower exposure in the special education group would be expected in light of higher levels of parental concern and consequent rates of abstention in this group, a possibility that could have been easily checked by comparing the proportions of exemption filings held by law in all state schools. This notwithstanding, the data of DeStefano et al are not consistent with the author’s post hoc rationalization. Second, es and Baltzan (9) reanalyzed the California autism data of Dales and colleagues (10), confirming that the age of MMR immunization was becoming younger between 1981 and 1993. The ratio of children immunized before age 17 months to those immunized between age 17 and 24 months increased 200% from 1981 to 1993, and the rate of early MMR immunization is correlated with the incidence of autism. This is an important factor in light of  DeStefano et al’s observation of a greater statistically significant association between autism and MMR vaccination by 36 months in more recent birth cohorts (7).  Third, Suissa pointed out that according to the Danish data of Madsen et al (11) the rates of autistic disorder by age at vaccination, are 18.9, 14.8, 24.6, and 26.9 per 105 per year respectively for ages <15, 15-19, 20-24, 25-35, falling to 12.0 per 105 with age at vaccination >35 months, compared with the overall rate of 11.0 for the reference group of no vaccination, over all ages (12). Suissa considered it somewhat implausible for the age-adjusted rate ratio to fall below 1 (as presented), unless the risk profile by age in the unvaccinated is vastly different than in the vaccinated. Thus, rather than an apparent association between exposure and outcome being a spurious result of confounding, this would actually represent effect modification. The data support the hypothesis of an association between exposure and outcome, modified, rather than confounded by, age of exposure.  While an effect of age of exposure to MMR vaccine on autism risk is evident from these studies, the nature of that risk is not known.  Aside from the issue of age of exposure, et al found a significant clustering of parental concern within 6 months of MMR vaccination (p=0·03)(13) and, as was later pointed out, a step-up in number of autism diagnoses associated with the introduction of MMR vaccination in the UK (14).  A similar step up in the autism rate with introduction of MMR was observed in Denmark (12).  Overwhelmed, D’Souza et al claim that the hypothesized link between MMR and ASD is spurious. With respect, we disagree.  J Wakefield MB,BS., FRCS., FRCPath and Carol Stott Ph.D  References 1. D'Souza Y, Fombonne E, Ward BJ. No evidence of persisting measles virus in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from children with autism spectrum disorder. Pediatrics. 2006;118:1664-75. 2. SJ, Hepner K, Segal J, Krigsman A. Persistent ileal measles virus in a large cohort of regressive autistic children with ileocolitis and lymphnodular hyperplasia: re-visitation of an earlier study [abstract]. International Meeting for Autism Research (IMFAR) 2006, http://www.cevs.ucdavis.edu/Cofred/Public/Aca/WebSec.cfm? confid=238 & webid=1245. 3. Cochrane. Demicheli V, Jefferson T, Rivetti A, Price D. Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children (Review) The Cochrane Library. Wiley & Sons, Ltd. 2005, Issue 4. http://www.thecochranelibrary.com 4. Fombonne E, Chakrabarti S. No evidence for a new variant of measles-mumps-rubella-induced autism. Pediatrics 2001;108:E58 5. Smeeth L, Cook C, Fombonne E, Heavey L, Rodrigues L, P, Hall A. MMR vaccination and pervasive developmental disorders: a case-control study. Lancet 2004, 364:963-969 6. Richler J, Luyster R, Risi S, Hsu Wan-Ling, Dawson G, Bernier R, et al . Is there a ‘regressive phenotype’ of autistic spectrum disorder associated with the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine? a CPEA study. Autism Dev. Dis. 2006, 36:299-316. 7. DeStefano F, Bhasin TK, WW, Yeargin-All sopp M, Boyle C. Age at first measles-mumps- rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-mat ched control subjects: a population-based study in metro politan Atlanta. Pediatrics 2004, 113:259–266. 8. Autistic Spectrum Disorders: changes in the California caseload. An update: 1999 through 2002. California Department of Developmental Services. A Report to the Legislature, Department of Developmental Services. Sacramento, Calif.: www.dds.ca.gov. Accessed Oct, 2006. 9. es M, Baltzan M. MMR Immunization and Autism. JAMA 2001, 285:2852-2853 10. Dales L, Hammer SJ, NJ. Time trends in autism and MMR immunization coverage in California. JAMA 2001, 285:1183-1185 11. Madsen MK., Hviid A., Vestergaard M., Schendel D., Wohlfarht J., Thorsen P., et al. A population-based study of measles mumps rubella vaccination and autism. NEJM 2002, 347:1478-1482. 12. Stott CA; Blaxill M, Wakefield AJ. MMR and Autism in Perspective: the Denmark Story. Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. 2004;9:89-91 13. B, E, Farrington P, et al. Autism and measles, mumps, rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association. 1999;353:2026-2029. 14. Wakefield AJ.MMR vaccine and autism. 1999;354:950-951. Potential conflicts. The authors have acted as paid experts in the UK MMR vaccine litigation. AJW is a named inventor on two viral diagnostic patents. ========================= On Dec 30, 2006, at 11:30 PM, Nanstiel wrote: Deer just doesn't care that Dr. Wakefield was absolutely right. He doesn't care that my own daughter suffered gut damage from the MMR... Why doesn't someone look to see where Deer is getting his money? The guy is slime. All four feet eleven inches of him. (he's quite short.) > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2524335,00.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Well there you go ....Dr. Wakefield is a very tall dashingly handsome man. Mr. Deer most certainly must be suffering from " little man syndrome " spurred on by his utter jealousy of tall handsome Dr. Wakefield. I've seen this before..it's not pretty... > > Why doesn't someone look to see where Deer is getting his money? The guy is slime. All four > feet eleven inches of him. (he's quite short.) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Wakefield... Class Act. Deer... No class. > > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2524335,00.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I was just having a little fun at his expense... but diminuitive proportions aside, I think Deer is not what he seems. He's not championing children or shutting down quacks. He has to be on the take. > > Well there you go ....Dr. Wakefield is a very tall dashingly > handsome man. Mr. Deer most certainly must be suffering from " little > man syndrome " spurred on by his utter jealousy of tall handsome Dr. > Wakefield. I've seen this before..it's not pretty... > > > > > > Why doesn't someone look to see where Deer is getting his money? The > guy is slime. All four > > feet eleven inches of him. (he's quite short.) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 To the average " Joe Blow " citizen over in the UK who reads this article, I suppose they could be concerned about this revelation. The interesting part is that anyone who even minimally follows the saga knows that conflicts of interest/motivations through money are everywhere in this conflict. For the following list, I am *assuming* that the UK has similar issues as we do in the US. We have organizations whose job it is to promote vaccines also in charge of the safety of these vaccines. We have vaccine mfg's paying other people/organizations to do their " safety studies " . We have federal governments paying states for every fully immunized child. We have vaccine manufacturer's " donating " large sums of money to other influential organizations. The list could go on and on. I wonder how much of that the average " Joe Blow " citizen knows about all those things? Wakefield was paid for his expert opinion... he did reseach and ultimately he had published a study which specifically stated at the end of it.... and I quote: " Further investigations are needed to examine this syndrome and its possible relation to this vaccine " . Wakefield of course also has on his side that he is actually working with the autistic population who suffer from bowel disease as opposed to those who just wish to ignore it. Odd. Sue M. > > > > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2524335,00.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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