RE: Debate on vaccines in Southern California

[Guest guest]

I had a very brief written interaction with Mr. some time ago (about 18 months). By way of history, after having written earlier that vaccines were suspect in autism, Mr. miraculously changed his theme after being awarded a grant to write the history of vaccines (see below).

I had a very brief technical discussion/exchange with him on the merits. Mr. did not come off as an intellectual "heavyweight" in this area. He hastened a rather quick retreat after I explained some things using a few pat phrases of entry level pharmacology/toxicology. He said he would get back to me. I am still waiting to hear from him.

will be brilliant as usual. I doubt you'll get much out of . Although he appears to be a decent guy, he may have decided that he has to eat off the backs of mercury damaged children. He could be one of earliest Hessian converts to the dark side. Expect the argument to center on the general utilitarian benefit of vaccines, without regard to toxic mercury levels, dendritic cell inhibition and differentiation, immunity, autimmune response/dysregulation or the like.

My sense of it is (I could be wrong) that he has been given the task of putting his finger in/patching a leaky dyke. No one else appears to wish to debate .

Debate on vaccines in Southern California

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur – Author

Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.

Mr. ’s Biography:

Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply.

lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego

Event Information:

Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093

Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007

Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

[Guest guest]

Some background - it took 12 mos (Becky mostly - thanks Becky!) to get this going and a lot of hard work and a serious amount of time.

Over 15 speakers on the "pro-vaccine" side turned us down to go against .

The university (which hosts controversial debates on Iraq war, global warming, yadda yadda) did not want to TOUCH the topic.

It took a lot of convincing to get it going. FINALLY.

The event costs will be over the $8,000 (travel, taping, food) so the sponsors & the university coming thru are greatly appreciated.

An Important note: Fox News 6 will moderate and hopefully bring TV crews to cover (brilliant move by Becky.) they have been kind to San Diego stories featuring Becky's family on vaccine injury/autism in the past.

We are so excited about this event we can barely contain ourselves. I will post updates on it after the event is done. It will be taped and it will be made available for free on a web site or two. That was an important part of the deal.

All my best,

A Jeff's mom

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of H Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:10 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Debate on vaccines in Southern California

I had a very brief written interaction with Mr. some time ago (about 18 months). By way of history, after having written earlier that vaccines were suspect in autism, Mr. miraculously changed his theme after being awarded a grant to write the history of vaccines (see below).

I had a very brief technical discussion/exchange with him on the merits. Mr. did not come off as an intellectual "heavyweight" in this area. He hastened a rather quick retreat after I explained some things using a few pat phrases of entry level pharmacology/toxicology. He said he would get back to me. I am still waiting to hear from him.

will be brilliant as usual. I doubt you'll get much out of . Although he appears to be a decent guy, he may have decided that he has to eat off the backs of mercury damaged children. He could be one of earliest Hessian converts to the dark side. Expect the argument to center on the general utilitarian benefit of vaccines, without regard to toxic mercury levels, dendritic cell inhibition and differentiation, immunity, autimmune response/dysregulation or the like.

My sense of it is (I could be wrong) that he has been given the task of putting his finger in/patching a leaky dyke. No one else appears to wish to debate .

Debate on vaccines in Southern California

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur – Author

Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.

Mr. ’s Biography:

Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply.

lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego

Event Information:

Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093

Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007

Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

[Guest guest]

Great job ! What a fantastic

idea. Hopefully it will generate some good honest coverage. I wish

I could be there! -

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Ackerman

Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006

3:39 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Debate on

vaccines in Southern California

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A

Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur

– Author

Vaccine: The

Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight

years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public

health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture,

zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to

The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health,

Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper.

Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self,

Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign

correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered

the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and

natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic,

Houston Chronicle and the NBC

Radio Network.

Mr.

’s Biography:

Arthur

was born in Cincinnati and

educated at the University

of California, Berkeley

where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He

was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that

country, and later was based in Mexico City,

Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since

1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C.,

specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in

technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the

rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural

response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the

early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine

safety and supply.

lives in Washington,

D.C., with his

wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing

Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV,

and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San

Diego

Event

Information:

Location: UC

San Diego Price Center

9500 Gilman Dr. La

Jolla Ca 92093

Date:

Saturday,

January 13, 2007

Time:

Lecture

& Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm

Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs:

Lecture: Free if

R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO

1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007

After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

[Guest guest]

The fact that you were able to get anyone to debate on this issue is a testament to your diligence and hardwork. Also testament to the reputation has as well as the collapsing credibility of who wish to frustrate.

We all love and we are sure he will make us proud.

Debate on vaccines in Southern California

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur – Author

Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.

Mr. ’s Biography:

Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply.

lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego

Event Information:

Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093

Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007

Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

[Guest guest]

can we be privy to the names of some of the decliners? Ackerman <tacanow@...> wrote: Some background - it took 12 mos (Becky mostly - thanks Becky!) to get this going and a lot of hard work and a serious amount of time. Over 15 speakers on the "pro-vaccine" side turned us down to go against . The university (which hosts controversial debates on Iraq war, global warming, yadda yadda) did not want to TOUCH the topic. It took a lot of convincing to get it going. FINALLY. The event costs will be over the $8,000 (travel, taping, food) so the sponsors & the university coming thru are greatly appreciated. An Important note: Fox News 6 will moderate and hopefully bring TV crews to cover (brilliant move by Becky.) they have been kind to San Diego stories featuring Becky's family on vaccine injury/autism in the past. We are so excited about this event we can barely contain ourselves. I will post updates on it after the event is done. It will be taped and it will be made available for free on a web site or two. That was an important part of the deal. All my best, A Jeff's mom From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of H Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:10 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Debate on vaccines in Southern California I had a very brief written interaction with Mr. some time ago

(about 18 months). By way of history, after having written earlier that vaccines were suspect in autism, Mr. miraculously changed his theme after being awarded a grant to write the history of vaccines (see below). I had a very brief technical discussion/exchange with him on the merits. Mr. did not come off as an intellectual "heavyweight" in this area. He hastened a rather quick retreat after I explained some things using a few pat phrases of entry level pharmacology/toxicology. He said he would get back to me. I am still waiting to hear from him. will be brilliant as usual. I doubt you'll get much out of . Although he

appears to be a decent guy, he may have decided that he has to eat off the backs of mercury damaged children. He could be one of earliest Hessian converts to the dark side. Expect the argument to center on the general utilitarian benefit of vaccines, without regard to toxic mercury levels, dendritic cell inhibition and differentiation, immunity, autimmune response/dysregulation or the like. My sense of it is (I could be wrong) that he has been given the task of putting his finger in/patching a leaky dyke. No one else appears to wish to debate . Debate on vaccines in Southern California Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate Featuring Kirby – Author Evidence of Harm Arthur – Author Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver Mr. Kirby’s Biography: Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin

America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network. Mr. ’s Biography: Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El

Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs. is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply. lives in

Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children. . Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research

Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego Event Information: Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093 Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007 Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site) For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

Maurine

A long list of "respected" doctors and researchers in California

I don't have the list handy to get it out here but will go back to Becky and notes.

Not sure if I want to flame out the ones the said no.

The bottom line: someone said yes and TV will be there and oh yea it is being debated on a university campus.

That has me going..

take care,

A Jeff's mom

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Maurine MeleckSent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:20 PMEOHarm Subject: RE: Debate on vaccines in Southern California

can we be privy to the names of some of the decliners? Ackerman <tacanow> wrote:

Some background - it took 12 mos (Becky mostly - thanks Becky!) to get this going and a lot of hard work and a serious amount of time.

Over 15 speakers on the "pro-vaccine" side turned us down to go against .

The university (which hosts controversial debates on Iraq war, global warming, yadda yadda) did not want to TOUCH the topic.

It took a lot of convincing to get it going. FINALLY.

The event costs will be over the $8,000 (travel, taping, food) so the sponsors & the university coming thru are greatly appreciated.

An Important note: Fox News 6 will moderate and hopefully bring TV crews to cover (brilliant move by Becky.) they have been kind to San Diego stories featuring Becky's family on vaccine injury/autism in the past.

We are so excited about this event we can barely contain ourselves. I will post updates on it after the event is done. It will be taped and it will be made available for free on a web site or two. That was an important part of the deal.

All my best,

A Jeff's mom

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of H Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:10 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Debate on vaccines in Southern California

I had a very brief written interaction with Mr. some time ago (about 18 months). By way of history, after having written earlier that vaccines were suspect in autism, Mr. miraculously changed his theme after being awarded a grant to write the history of vaccines (see below).

I had a very brief technical discussion/exchange with him on the merits. Mr. did not come off as an intellectual "heavyweight" in this area. He hastened a rather quick retreat after I explained some things using a few pat phrases of entry level pharmacology/toxicology. He said he would get back to me. I am still waiting to hear from him.

will be brilliant as usual. I doubt you'll get much out of . Although he appears to be a decent guy, he may have decided that he has to eat off the backs of mercury damaged children. He could be one of earliest Hessian converts to the dark side. Expect the argument to center on the general utilitarian benefit of vaccines, without regard to toxic mercury levels, dendritic cell inhibition and differentiation, immunity, autimmune response/dysregulation or the like.

My sense of it is (I could be wrong) that he has been given the task of putting his finger in/patching a leaky dyke. No one else appears to wish to debate .

Debate on vaccines in Southern California

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur – Author

Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.

Mr. ’s Biography:

Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply.

lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego

Event Information:

Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093

Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007

Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

Wow- it makes me want to fly to California! Great job putting this

together. Hope to see the video.

in NY

[Guest guest]

I would like to be able to buy this on DVD after it is over, are t here plans to record it?

thanks,

Heidi

From: " Ackerman" <tacanow@...>Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: Debate on vaccines in Southern CaliforniaDate: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:38:43 -0800

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur – Author

Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.

Mr. ’s Biography:

Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply.

lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego

Event Information:

Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093

Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007

Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

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[Guest guest]

Just read this one, thanks, I look forward to seeing our hero in action!

From: " Ackerman" <tacanow@...>Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: RE: Debate on vaccines in Southern CaliforniaDate: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:39:49 -0800

Some background - it took 12 mos (Becky mostly - thanks Becky!) to get this going and a lot of hard work and a serious amount of time.

Over 15 speakers on the "pro-vaccine" side turned us down to go against .

The university (which hosts controversial debates on Iraq war, global warming, yadda yadda) did not want to TOUCH the topic.

It took a lot of convincing to get it going. FINALLY.

The event costs will be over the $8,000 (travel, taping, food) so the sponsors & the university coming thru are greatly appreciated.

An Important note: Fox News 6 will moderate and hopefully bring TV crews to cover (brilliant move by Becky.) they have been kind to San Diego stories featuring Becky's family on vaccine injury/autism in the past.

We are so excited about this event we can barely contain ourselves. I will post updates on it after the event is done. It will be taped and it will be made available for free on a web site or two. That was an important part of the deal.

All my best,

A Jeff's mom

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of H Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:10 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Debate on vaccines in Southern California

I had a very brief written interaction with Mr. some time ago (about 18 months). By way of history, after having written earlier that vaccines were suspect in autism, Mr. miraculously changed his theme after being awarded a grant to write the history of vaccines (see below).

I had a very brief technical discussion/exchange with him on the merits. Mr. did not come off as an intellectual "heavyweight" in this area. He hastened a rather quick retreat after I explained some things using a few pat phrases of entry level pharmacology/toxicology. He said he would get back to me. I am still waiting to hear from him.

will be brilliant as usual. I doubt you'll get much out of . Although he appears to be a decent guy, he may have decided that he has to eat off the backs of mercury damaged children. He could be one of earliest Hessian converts to the dark side. Expect the argument to center on the general utilitarian benefit of vaccines, without regard to toxic mercury levels, dendritic cell inhibition and differentiation, immunity, autimmune response/dysregulation or the like.

My sense of it is (I could be wrong) that he has been given the task of putting his finger in/patching a leaky dyke. No one else appears to wish to debate .

Debate on vaccines in Southern California

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur – Author

Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.

Mr. ’s Biography:

Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply.

lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego

Event Information:

Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093

Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007

Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

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I got to speak to Becky at the memorial service. We should all be very appreciative of the individuals who agree to debate . As was noted in earlier posts, it took a very very long time to get someone from the other side to show up. Without representatives from those who disagree with most of the ideas on this list, there would be no public debate. We need more open forums and need to be corgial to those who are willing to address the issue. I am taking a rare conciliatory position here, but like I said, we will get a lot further if we can get people to speak out in public regarding their belief in the safety of thimerasol and the vaccine schedule from 1988-2004 (and then through today via flu shots for pregnant women). The vast majority are still not even aware of thimerasol or the concept of the use of mercury as a preservative in vaccines. Debates help to increase

awareness and allow people to decide for themselves if the injection of mercury into human beings is a good safe practice. We should get a list together of locals who plan to attend -- I'm in! Vera Ackerman <tacanow@...> wrote: Maurine A long list of "respected" doctors and researchers in California I don't have the list handy to get it out here but will go back to Becky and notes. Not sure if I want to flame out the ones the said no. The bottom line: someone said yes and TV will be there and oh yea it is being debated on a university campus. That has me going.. take care, A Jeff's mom From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Maurine

MeleckSent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:20 PMEOHarm Subject: RE: Debate on vaccines in Southern California can we be privy to the names of some of the decliners? Ackerman <tacanow> wrote: Some background - it took 12 mos (Becky mostly - thanks Becky!) to get this going and a lot of hard work and a serious amount of time. Over 15 speakers on the "pro-vaccine" side turned us down to go against . The university (which hosts controversial debates on Iraq war, global warming, yadda yadda) did not want to TOUCH the topic. It took a lot of convincing to get it going. FINALLY. The event costs will be over the $8,000 (travel, taping, food) so the sponsors & the university coming thru are greatly appreciated. An Important note: Fox News 6 will moderate and hopefully bring TV crews to cover (brilliant move by Becky.) they have been kind to San Diego stories featuring Becky's family on vaccine injury/autism in the past. We are so excited about this event we can barely contain ourselves. I will post updates on it after the event is done. It will be taped and it will be made available for free on a web site or two. That was an important part of the deal. All my best, A Jeff's mom From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of H Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:10 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Debate on vaccines in Southern California I had a very brief written interaction with Mr. some time ago (about 18 months). By way of history, after having

written earlier that vaccines were suspect in autism, Mr. miraculously changed his theme after being awarded a grant to write the history of vaccines (see below). I had a very brief technical discussion/exchange with him on the merits. Mr. did not come off as an intellectual "heavyweight" in this area. He hastened a rather quick retreat after I explained some things using a few pat phrases of entry level pharmacology/toxicology. He said he would get back to me. I am still waiting to hear from him. will be brilliant as usual. I doubt you'll get much out of . Although he appears to be a decent guy, he may have decided that he

has to eat off the backs of mercury damaged children. He could be one of earliest Hessian converts to the dark side. Expect the argument to center on the general utilitarian benefit of vaccines, without regard to toxic mercury levels, dendritic cell inhibition and differentiation, immunity, autimmune response/dysregulation or the like. My sense of it is (I could be wrong) that he has been given the task of putting his finger in/patching a leaky dyke. No one else appears to wish to debate . Debate on vaccines in Southern California Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A

Thoughtful Debate Featuring Kirby –

Author Evidence of Harm Arthur –

Author Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver Mr. Kirby’s Biography: Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the

San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network. Mr. ’s Biography: Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that

country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs. is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply. lives in Washington, D.C.,

with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children. . Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV,

and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego Event Information: Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093 Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007 Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO

1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site) For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193 Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

Excellent points.

Perhaps through debate, they can see the error of their ways.

Debate on vaccines in Southern California

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur – Author

Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.

Mr. ’s Biography:

Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply.

lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego

Event Information:

Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093

Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007

Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now.

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No need to buy. It will be free on a web site or two or more.

We are working that all out.

I hate the idea of making money off parents.

all my best

A Jeff's mom

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of elevatordance Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:20 PMEOHarm Subject: RE: Debate on vaccines in Southern California

I would like to be able to buy this on DVD after it is over, are t here plans to record it?

thanks,

Heidi

From: " Ackerman" <tacanow>Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: Debate on vaccines in Southern CaliforniaDate: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:38:43 -0800

Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate

Featuring

Kirby – Author

Evidence of Harm

Arthur – Author

Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver

Mr. Kirby’s Biography:

Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture, zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men’s Health, Science Times, Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook, Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990, where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic, Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.

Mr. ’s Biography:

Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs.

is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather’s Boston in the early 18th Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply.

lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot, and his two children.

..

Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California, San Diego

Event Information:

Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca 92093

Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007

Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm

Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.’s received online via www.tacanow.org PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)

For more information please go to www.tacanow.org or call (858) 673-7193

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Thought I would bump this up. I was searching for some info. not pertinent to this debate, and stumbled across this site: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=68984

Looks like maybe Arthur will have some supporters there other than the usual mainstream medical folks?

And, apparently Mr. 's new book was coincidentally released a tad early instead of the expected date of January 2007? He has a new website and allows some comments. http://vaccinethebook.typepad.com/mt

I have no doubt that Kirby will make this guy wish he didn't sellout to whomever/whatever he sold his soul to.

>> Vaccines and Autism, Is There a Connection? A Thoughtful Debate > > > > Featuring> > > Kirby - Author> > Evidence of Harm> > > > > > Arthur - Author> > Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine's Greatest Lifesaver> > > > > Mr. Kirby's Biography:> > Kirby has been a professional journalist for over 15 years, and wrote> for The New York Times for more than eight years. Kirby was a contracted> writer with the weekly City Section at The Times, where he covered public> health, local politics, art and culture, film and theater, architecture,> zoning and land use, among many other subjects. He has also contributed to> The Magazine, Arts & Leisure, Personal Health, Men's Health, Science Times,> Escapes, Travel, Weekend and other sections of the paper. Kirby has also> written for a number of national magazines, including Glamour, Redbook,> Marie , Mademoiselle, Self, Art News, and others. In addition, Kirby> was a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Central America from 1986-1990,> where he covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and covered> politics, corruption and natural disasters in Mexico. From Latin America, he> reported for UPI, the San Francisco Examiner, Newsday, The Arizona Republic,> Houston Chronicle and the NBC Radio Network.> > Mr. 's Biography:> > Arthur was born in Cincinnati and educated at the University of> California, Berkeley where he received an undergraduate degree in> Development Studies. He was a foreign correspondent for the Associate Press> in El Salvador during the war in that country, and later was based in Mexico> City, Paris, and Bonn, Germany. Since 1995, he has been a freelance> magazine writer in Washington, D.C., specializing in biomedical affairs. > > is particularly interested in how society responds to changes in> technology. His book (to be released in January 2007) chronicles the rough> and tumble history of vaccines as well as the social and cultural response> to vaccination programs, from Cotton Mather's Boston in the early 18th> Century, to present-day conflicts over vaccine safety and supply. > > lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, the writer Margaret Talbot,> and his two children.> > .> > > > Event Sponsored by: Generation Rescue, Safe Minds, Talk About Curing> Autism, Autism Research Institute, Fox 6 News San Diego, Berle Family, UCSD> TV, and The Cognitive Science Department of the University of California,> San Diego> > > > Event Information: > > > > Location: UC San Diego Price Center 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla Ca> 92093> > Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007> > Time: Lecture & Debate 10:00am to 12:30pm > Reception & Book Signing: 1:00 to 2:00pm> > Costs: Lecture: Free if R.S.V.P.'s received online via> www.tacanow.org <http://www.tacanow.org/> PRIOR TO 1/9/2007or $10 on-site> or 1/10/2007 After talk Reception: $5 on-site)> > > > For more information please go to www.tacanow.org <http://www.tacanow.org/>> or call (858) 673-7193>