Combating Autism Act

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Agreed. That's why we have to have morality, and checks & balances in

capitalism. I think that's where a socialist flavor comes in. The

pharmaceutical co paying out of their marketing budget while being

forced to keep their drug costs at the level on inflation would be a

great way to punish some of those responsible.

Debi

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> The problem is that with cpatialism their are huge incentives to

> poison kids if you can get away with as has happend with our

> children up to now. The point of punitive damges is to provide and

> equally powerful financilal incentive not to posion children. Their

> is no morality in this just incentives and disincentives. Without

> disincentives we would expect much more of the anit-social behavior

> that produced the autism epidemic in the first place.

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Answer, yes. Spread the risk. The government is the ultimate insurance policy.

When the government forces you to vaccinate your child and you find out later that the vaccine program our children and we were forced to submit to was the equivalent of living in a cesspool for the early years of their lives- then the government has an obligation to help those it recklessly poisoned.

Notwithstanding the fact that the government has devalued the dollar, created historical budget deficits, owes historically monumental numbers for medicare and social security obligations, that private and public retirement plans are projected to go belly up, hedge funds look like they are about to tank and even if one does get a payment, that payment will be instantly devalued with inflated dollars- yes, they still should pay.

If the morons hadn't imposed mandates with a poisonous product and we, as parents, hadn't been gulled/forced/bullyragged into this idiocy, I might feel differently. But because they recklessly enforced this bullshit and were the principle reason for the poisoning, they have to pay up.

What they do with the vaccine manufacturers given the deal they cut with them is between the government and the vaccine manufacturers.

Yes, everyone should pay- to spread the risk.

Everyone paid when 20 terrorists flew airplanes into buildings.

They have a much more compelling moral obligation here.

By doing it with tax credits, it becomes an easy thing to do.

Consider it like an oil profits tax cut or a giveaway to the military for shoddy equipment for the war in Iraq.

Re: Combating Autism Act

Here we go into the kitchen! I don't think that's a realistic or fair"fee" for having a child with autism. People whose kids get heartailments don't get payment for suffering. Now, I know that our kidswere harmed through gov negligence, but do we really want every singletaxpayer to have to pay for something a handful of people have done?And, what about those who are wealthy, should they get $50k? And whatabout those like me who really aren't shelling out all that much atthis stage of the game? Just be handed it anyway? Do people whose kidsgot polio from the vaccine get $50K a year? The thing is every timethe gov pays something, it comes out of everyone else's pockets. Iguess the question becomes if we favor socialist or capitalist system.I personally prefer capitalist with a socialist safety net.I know autism is somewhat unique in that we weren't warned of thedangers and are coerced into the medical procedure. I just think if wereally want something done to help we need to be somewhat reasonable.Debi>> My friend and I say next we parents of those with autism need a > "funding for families of those with autism act" so each family of those > with autism gets $50,000 per child with autism at any age each year > (retroactive would be nice). msherrett.> __________________________________________________________> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more.>

[Guest guest]

You're not going to get them to pay.

Tax cuts will get the money to the families quickly.

They can do with the money what they want.

Re: Combating Autism Act

Agreed. That's why we have to have morality, and checks & balances incapitalism. I think that's where a socialist flavor comes in. Thepharmaceutical co paying out of their marketing budget while beingforced to keep their drug costs at the level on inflation would be agreat way to punish some of those responsible.Debi>> > The problem is that with cpatialism their are huge incentives to > poison kids if you can get away with as has happend with our > children up to now. The point of punitive damges is to provide and > equally powerful financilal incentive not to posion children. Their > is no morality in this just incentives and disincentives. Without > disincentives we would expect much more of the anit-social behavior > that produced the autism epidemic in the first place.> >

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This is Henry's " tax credit " idea, and it is an excellent one. We'd

all be able to do so much more if we were solvent.

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> My friend and I say next we parents of those with autism need a

> " funding for families of those with autism act " so each family of

those

> with autism gets $50,000 per child with autism at any age each year

> (retroactive would be nice). msherrett.

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ok, so limit it to the amount of money for treatment recommended by

an MD that is unreimbursed by an insurance provider (including ABA,

ST, etc.)

Autism is unique in that it is a major medical problem that is

treatable, but the treatment is not reimbursed by medical insurance.

This is not the case if your child has cancer, rheumatoid arthritis,

diabetes, etc. The autism community wouldn't be getting any special

favors with a tax credit. If would end the discrimination.

If you have trouble with taxpayers paying for autism treatment, you

should also have trouble with them paying for Medicare/Medicaid

expenses, which comprise 60% of the 2 trillion we spend on healthcare

each year in the US. You're paying for your next door neighbor's

liver transplant, why shouldn't he pay for your kid's autism?

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> > My friend and I say next we parents of those with autism need a

> > " funding for families of those with autism act " so each family of

those

> > with autism gets $50,000 per child with autism at any age each

year

> > (retroactive would be nice). msherrett.

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I like Henry's tax credit. I spend just as much a year or more on my son... Where do I sign up??? LMAOwewillwin07 <mamabear@...> wrote: This is Henry's "tax credit" idea, and it is an excellent one. We'd all be able to do so much more if we were solvent.>> My friend and I say next we parents of those with autism need a >

"funding for families of those with autism act" so each family of those > with autism gets $50,000 per child with autism at any age each year > (retroactive would be nice). msherrett.> __________________________________________________________> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more.>

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If the math that I saw someone do is correct and the bill really does provide less than one hundred dollars per year per affected child, what will you do with your hundred dollars? The first thing that I would be asking myself if I were donating money to an organization which was proclaiming how much they care about autistic children is, 'do they publically support looking at the evidence of vaccine damage?'. Medlin <angelamedlin@...> wrote: Weinmaster of No Mercury has always said, “just give parents the CAA money….we will be able to figure out how to heal our children on our own…look what we have already accomplished.” I think that maybe the best strategy yet….let us deal with it on our own (like congress has been doing so far), but at least give us the support of the money. I would love to see the colloquy language/bill language on that bill! We could call it, “The Non Participating Pharma/Congressional bill to combat autism.” Short title could be, “show us the money.” __

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Disagree. My paperwork requirements wouldn't change a bit. Many

already do this every year, claiming for medical expenses that exceed

7.5% of our adjusted gross income. You just add it up and give the

number to your accountant, and keep the receipts as substantiation in

case of an audit. Pretty simple. Right now, though, the benefit is

a deduction, not a credit, and there is the 7.5% threshhold, so it is

not significant for most. Also, there is some gray area about what

qualifies when you are dealing with autism treatment, and this needs

to be clarified.

There are people out there spending 100K a year just on behavioral

treatments. And many biomed things, like IVIG, cost a small fortune.

On the other hand, if a set number is more politically saleable, it's

better than nothing.

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> > > My friend and I say next we parents of those with autism need

a

> > > " funding for families of those with autism act " so each

family of

> those

> > > with autism gets $50,000 per child with autism at any age

each

> year

> > > (retroactive would be nice). msherrett.

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I sent Autism Speaks an email earlier this week congratulating them on their fundraising efforts ("Fall Walk Events Raise Over $5 Million") and asking them to throw some of that money towards researching the vaccine/thimerasol connection.

Here's what I got today in response (names removed):

Good Morning XXXXXXXX,

Currently, we do not have an understanding of the disease mechanism of autism and do not know how potential environmental risk factors might contribute to such mechanism. Autism Speaks supports continued research into all theories of what causes autism. The scientific community generally agrees that both genetic and environmental factors are likely to contribute to autism. Recent research also suggests that if environmental factors do play a role, it is likely linked to a genetic predisposition.

Autism Speaks has taken the lead in studying high risk populations – those at a much higher risk for developing autism than the general public. Monitoring the exposure of this population to different environmental toxins, as well as identifying markers for environmental exposure, continues to be a priority for Autism Speaks. It is important to understand that environmental exposures are not limited to thimerosal in vaccines or mercury in fish – it refers to exposure to any prenatal or early postnatal exposure. This includes maternal and perinatal diet, exposure to pharmaceutical agents in utero, immune challenge, stress, environmental pollutants other than mercury or thimerosal, infection, or a combination of multiple factors. Other “environmental†risk factors may include maternal or paternal age or birth order. Most importantly, environmental factors do not seem to cause autism on their own, rather, specific genetic factors seem to predispose individuals to development of symptoms.

Since 1997, Autism Speaks has committed over $1 million to study environmental risk factors in autism. This includes epidemiological and basic science research studying both genetic vulnerability and exposure to neurotoxic agents. Today, our funding cycle typically begins in mid-September as requests for proposals are published. We welcome and invite proposals that investigate thimersosal in vaccines. One particular award focuses on augmenting/bridging autism-related research currently funded by federal agencies.

I have provided you with links below on the topics of research grants offered by Autism Speaks and specifically, the Research Award: Augmentation and Bridge. I hope you find the information I have provided useful and informative. Please feel free to contact me with any further questions, comments, or concerns. Thank you and have a nice day.

http://www.autismspeaks.org/science_grants.php

http://grants.autismspeaks.org/research/rfps/RFA%20Augmentation%20and%20Bridge%20-%20rev%209-26.pdf

Best,

XXXXXXXXXXXXX

-BJ in polis, MD

[Guest guest]

Isn't that sort of like saying, " Well, everybody else does it, they

should do it, too. " Oil tax cuts shouldn't be there, shoddy equip

shouldn't happen. My main point is that anything handed to the gov to

do, including reimbursement will *always* be mismanaged, wasted, and

not appropriately appropriated. After all, it is your money and my

money they will be giving us, not " their " money. Personally, I'd

prefer those who withheld the info to pay out of their own pockets

than tax dollars.

Debi

> Consider it like an oil profits tax cut or a giveaway to the

military for shoddy equipment for the war in Iraq.

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[Guest guest]

Really though, even the amount that is covered by insurance will cost

us. Health insurance companies aren't in the biz to break even,

they're in the biz to make money. If they're paying out more than

getting in each year, that means rate increases for everyone,

particularly those who require more money.

I don't have a problem with taxpayers paying for some autism

treatment. I have a problem with taxpayers paying for all autism

treatments by all people all the time. I don't think it would be

appropriate for a family making, say, $300,000/yr to get gov money to

pay for their child's needs, any more than I think it's appropriate

for a family making the same as mine getting gov-subsidized healthcare

just because someone has a schedule C filing while we do a 1040. I

don't have a problem with my tax dollars going to help those in need.

I do have a problem with people not in need trying to use my tax

dollars when they don't need it or use it to protect their personal

wealth. That's where I personally draw the line between socialism and

capitalism. Care for basic needs for those who can't care for

themselves, but make sure those who need the care are doing what they

can.

Like I've said, I do think autism is somewhat unique in that we were

essentially forced to have this on us. That does create additional

responsibility. I guess my point is I want the individuals

responsible, not the entire nation of working citizens.

Debi

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> ok, so limit it to the amount of money for treatment recommended by

> an MD that is unreimbursed by an insurance provider (including ABA,

> ST, etc.)

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> Autism is unique in that it is a major medical problem that is

> treatable, but the treatment is not reimbursed by medical insurance.

> This is not the case if your child has cancer, rheumatoid arthritis,

> diabetes, etc. The autism community wouldn't be getting any special

> favors with a tax credit. If would end the discrimination.

>

> If you have trouble with taxpayers paying for autism treatment, you

> should also have trouble with them paying for Medicare/Medicaid

> expenses, which comprise 60% of the 2 trillion we spend on healthcare

> each year in the US. You're paying for your next door neighbor's

> liver transplant, why shouldn't he pay for your kid's autism?

>