Re: protesting at vaccine hearings

[Guest guest]

I would strongly echo these remarks. I suspect Hastings may be open to

the idea that the hearing should be open to the public- in any case he

has not ruled on this.

I will keep this list up to date on developments.

Bob K.

On Nov 17, 2006, at 4:12 PM, olerist wrote:

> Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...

>

> Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing the

> DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is a

> concern, I do not think is a good idea.

>

> The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the day) was

> rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule fairly on

> this issue.

>

>

J. Krakow

Attorney At Law

2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125

Lake Success, New York 11042

(516) 354-3300

(646) 349-1771 (fax)

(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

[Guest guest]

Yes, we should wait for the ruling, but if it is ruled that all

records be sealed and the courtroom be closed to the public, then I

will call for a protest that rivals Farakahn's million man march.

>

> > Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...

> >

> > Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing the

> > DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is a

> > concern, I do not think is a good idea.

> >

> > The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the

day) was

> > rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule fairly

on

> > this issue.

> >

> >

> J. Krakow

> Attorney At Law

> 2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125

> Lake Success, New York 11042

> (516) 354-3300

> (646) 349-1771 (fax)

> (212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

>

[Guest guest]

In that case I will be right there with you, as should all Americans.

On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:25 PM, Ed wrote:

Yes, we should wait for the ruling, but if it is ruled that all

records be sealed and the courtroom be closed to the public, then I

will call for a protest that rivals Farakahn's million man march.

>

> > Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...

> >

> > Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing the

> > DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is a

> > concern, I do not think is a good idea.

> >

> > The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the

day) was

> > rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule fairly

on

> > this issue.

> >

> >

> J. Krakow

> Attorney At Law

> 2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125

> Lake Success, New York 11042

> (516) 354-3300

> (646) 349-1771 (fax)

> (212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

>

J. Krakow

Law Office of J. Krakow

225 Broadway

Suite 2700

New York, New York 10007

(212)227-0600 (voice)

(646) 349-1771 (fax)

[Guest guest]

Count me in .Suzanne

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Krakow

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006

10:54 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Re:

protesting at vaccine hearings

In that case I will be right there with you, as should all Americans.

On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:25 PM, Ed wrote:

Yes, we should wait for the ruling,

but if it is ruled that all

records

be sealed and the courtroom be closed to the public, then I

will

call for a protest that rivals Farakahn's million man march.

>

>

> Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...

> >

>

> Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing the

>

> DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is a

>

> concern, I do not think is a good idea.

> >

>

> The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the

day)

was

>

> rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule fairly

on

>

> this issue.

> >

>

>

>

J. Krakow

>

Attorney At Law

> 2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125

> Lake Success, New

York 11042

>

(516) 354-3300

>

(646) 349-1771 (fax)

>

(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

>

J. Krakow

Law Office of J. Krakow

225 Broadway

Suite 2700

New York, New

York 10007

(212)227-0600 (voice)

(646) 349-1771 (fax)

[Guest guest]



Excellent points.

Give the man a chance to do his job.

Given the nature of this issue, there is huge pressure coming from all sides.

He doesn't need any more. It is very unfair to him. He's been inserted into the middle of perhaps one of the most difficult controversies he will ever manage. No matter which way the hearing and conclusions go, he will be villified for his efforts. There is only lose/lose for him. Noone would want his job. He now probably realizes he doesn't want it either.

We trust he'll do the right thing here.

There's a lot here that suggests that there will be extreme pressure to wallaby (my term) this issue, but notwithstanding that pressure, there is only one choice here and that is to work within the framework of the law.

All of us are extremely upset by what has happened, by what each of us believes to in some form, the cover-ups, conspiracies, the reckless indifference, professional arrogance, head-in-the-sand, etc. and what makes it all the worse is that the various factions that have failed to deal with a problem of their own making in a forthright, fair manner are in control of the solution to this problem.

Notwithstanding that fact, this country is in a very tough position historically and a huge number of things are brewing and will be played out within the next few years. If they're not handled correctly, shit will hit the fan.

Step back for a moment, and give them a chance to do right.

They will be under tremendous pressure to look from within.

They need to solve this problem- and it should be on the front burner.

If they corrupt this issue yet again, as we suspect they might, then all bets are off.

But you have to give them a chance to work their way out of the mess they have created.

And this is just one step.

Re: protesting at vaccine hearings

I would strongly echo these remarks. I suspect Hastings may be open to the idea that the hearing should be open to the public- in any case he has not ruled on this.I will keep this list up to date on developments.Bob K.On Nov 17, 2006, at 4:12 PM, olerist wrote:> Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...>> Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing the> DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is a> concern, I do not think is a good idea.>> The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the day) was> rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule fairly on> this issue.>> J. KrakowAttorney At Law2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125Lake Success, New York 11042(516) 354-3300(646) 349-1771 (fax)(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

[Guest guest]



Act once and only when you know they have once again corrupted the issue.

Re: Re: protesting at vaccine hearings

In that case I will be right there with you, as should all Americans.On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:25 PM, Ed wrote:Yes, we should wait for the ruling, but if it is ruled that all records be sealed and the courtroom be closed to the public, then I will call for a protest that rivals Farakahn's million man march.> > > Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...> >> > Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing the> > DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is a> > concern, I do not think is a good idea.> >> > The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the day) was> > rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule fairly on> > this issue.> >> > > J. Krakow> Attorney At Law> 2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125> Lake Success, New York 11042> (516) 354-3300> (646) 349-1771 (fax)> (212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)> J. KrakowLaw Office of J. Krakow225 BroadwaySuite 2700New York, New York 10007(212)227-0600 (voice)(646) 349-1771 (fax)

[Guest guest]

Surely you don't believe that. These people do what they are told to do. They have allegiance to the feds not to we the people remember dick army's words the white house told him to do it. You know the Lilly rider remember the show miracle on 34th street what was the reason the judge ruled this way ( "Eh... Since the United States government declares this man to be Santa Claus, this court will not dispute it. Case dismissed." --Gene Lockhart.) it was not integrity it was public opinion these people need to know we mean business. A wise black man was talking on a radio show about civil rights He said when i have documents in hand its

not what I think its what I know we have plenty of documents. We need a 2 million parent march remember the sacks and sacks of mail that was the public opinion that moved that judge. We need no less he needs to know we will not roll over on this like people did on the CAA bill we will stand firm and wont go away Joe ----------------- TX HC <stratpat@...> wrote:  Excellent points. Give the man a chance to do his job. Given the nature of this issue, there is huge pressure coming from all sides. He doesn't need any more. It is very unfair to him. He's been inserted into the middle of perhaps one of the most difficult controversies he will ever manage. No matter which way the hearing and conclusions go, he will be villified for his efforts. There is only lose/lose for him. Noone would want his job. He now probably realizes he doesn't want it either.

We trust he'll do the right thing here. There's a lot here that suggests that there will be extreme pressure to wallaby (my term) this issue, but notwithstanding that pressure, there is only one choice here and that is to work within the framework of the law. All of us are extremely upset by what has happened, by what each of us believes to in some form, the cover-ups, conspiracies, the reckless indifference, professional arrogance, head-in-the-sand, etc. and what makes it all the worse is that the various factions that have failed to deal with a problem of their own making in a forthright, fair manner are in control of the solution to this problem.

Notwithstanding that fact, this country is in a very tough position historically and a huge number of things are brewing and will be played out within the next few years. If they're not handled correctly, shit will hit the fan. Step back for a moment, and give them a chance to do right. They will be under tremendous pressure to look from within. They need to solve this problem- and it should be on the front burner. If they corrupt this issue yet again, as we suspect they might, then all bets are off. But you have to give them a chance to work their way out of the mess they have created. And this is just one step. Re: protesting at vaccine hearings I would strongly echo these remarks. I suspect Hastings may be open to the idea that the hearing should be open to the public- in any case he has not ruled on this.I will keep this list up to date on developments.Bob K.On Nov 17, 2006, at 4:12 PM, olerist wrote:> Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...>> Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing the> DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is a> concern, I do not think is a good idea.>> The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the day) was> rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule fairly on> this issue.>> J.

KrakowAttorney At Law2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125Lake Success, New York 11042(516) 354-3300(646) 349-1771 (fax)(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

[Guest guest]

The problem that I see is: Are you going to get enough people to

really make a point?

On a side note. I just read a book called " An Unreasonable

Woman " . It was about a woman in Texas who was fighting for chemical

companies to stop dumping toxic sludge into the bay, etc. etc (one

of the issues the book brought up was a mercury spill from one of

the companies).

One of her moves which gained A LOT of attention was a hunger

stike? Goes on for awhile, gains national exposure, and people get

nervous seeing people starve themselves for a cause At least it

worked for her. Anyone for a hunger strike? I'm not, but I figured

I'd ask ...

Sue M. (half kidding)

> >

> > > Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...

> > >

> > > Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing

the

> > > DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is

a

> > > concern, I do not think is a good idea.

> > >

> > > The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the

> day) was

> > > rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule

fairly

> on

> > > this issue.

> > >

> > >

> > J. Krakow

> > Attorney At Law

> > 2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125

> > Lake Success, New York 11042

> > (516) 354-3300

> > (646) 349-1771 (fax)

> > (212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

> >

>

>

> J. Krakow

> Law Office of J. Krakow

> 225 Broadway

> Suite 2700

> New York, New York 10007

> (212)227-0600 (voice)

> (646) 349-1771 (fax)

>

[Guest guest]

We know congress is corrupt and self-serving, especially on this issue. We know the administration functions on this issue in much the same way, if not worse. We also know the federal agencies, as well as a number of medical institutions, are corrupt and self-serving. That is what they do best. They appeal to their own/special interests.

The Courts, the last vestige of hope for this group to address this issue in a sane, just fashion, should be given an opportunity to play out, following the rules of the Court and of the appropriate administrative agencies. We need to show the statesman(woman)ship that they have refused to show throughout this debacle. As they corrupt this issue, we must stand incorruptible. As they lie more and more, we must be fastidious with the truth. As they move to poison babies to protect their arguments and their futures, we must move to save the future of those who have yet to be damaged for the future of this society.

As they intentionally hide information about the potential dangers which exist (for example, in the flu vaccine), we must try to reach those who wish to make an informed decision with accurate information.

And in this Court decision, we must give them every opportunity to do the right thing. Until we know they simply are incapable of addressing this issue.

You see, unlike them, I believe that everyone should be given a fair opportunity to come clean or to hang themselves.

Re: protesting at vaccine hearings

I would strongly echo these remarks. I suspect Hastings may be open to the idea that the hearing should be open to the public- in any case he has not ruled on this.I will keep this list up to date on developments.Bob K.On Nov 17, 2006, at 4:12 PM, olerist wrote:> Of course anybody can do as they wish, but...>> Potentially pissing off the court and possibly reinforcing the> DOJ/Pharmica point (directly or indirectly) that security is a> concern, I do not think is a good idea.>> The request of sealing the records 3 years ago (almost to the day) was> rejected. There is still a chance that Hastings may rule fairly on> this issue.>> J. KrakowAttorney At Law2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125Lake Success, New York 11042(516) 354-3300(646) 349-1771 (fax)(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

[Guest guest]

Maybe Imus would be interested in these closed hearings. If nothing else informing him of the details might open his eyes to some things and possibly he would talk about it on his show.

C.