Re: Move over TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

[Guest guest]

Oh christ. I get knocked up if someone

even looks at me sideways. Wtf is wrong with these people? Do they have

nothing else to do with their lives than make shit up???

Besides, can you imagine people who put

out tens of thousands of dollars, go through months, years of fertility

treatments all having such high rates of hinky kids? I think if that was

accurate, less people would opt for IVF.

Holly

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of schaferatsprynet

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006

6:37 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Move over TV,

Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

Move over TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

File: Anything-ANYTHING-but-dirty-vaccines Department.

-Lenny

Infertility link to autism in children

From Mark , Science Editor in New

Orleans

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2422273,00.html

COUPLES who struggle to conceive are more likely to have a child with

a serious medical disorder such as autism, cerebral palsy or cancer,

scientists have found.

The risk of developing problems by the age of 6 is 2.7 times higher

among children born to those with a history of infertility than in

those conceived without difficulty, according to US research. The

findings offer the strongest evidence that medical obstacles to

starting a family can have repercussions for offspring.

Assisted reproduction treatments could have an influence — but the

raised risk also applied when a diagnosis of fertility problems was

followed by a natural conception. Underlying infertility is therefore

more likely to be responsible.

With infertility becoming both more common and more treatable, the

research suggests that the incidence of some childhood conditions

could rise. One in seven British couples has difficulty conceiving,

and 10,242 babies were born through IVF in 2003-04.

Autism is diagnosed ten times more frequently than two decades ago —

often because of improved recognition.

Scientists emphasised that the absolute risk to infertile couples of

having a baby with a serious disorder remained low.

Croughan, of the University

of California, San

Francisco,

compared children born to 2,000 couples with infertility diagnosed and

those born to 2,000 couples who did not have problems conceiving.

After adjusting for the higher maternal age and multiple birth rate in

the infertile group, Dr Croughan found that the risk of five disorders

— autism, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, seizures and cancer —

was 2.7 times higher. The risk for autism alone was four times higher.

Moderate developmental problems such as attention deficit

hyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities or serious sight or

hearing disorders were also 40 per cent more common in this group.

The relative risk was higher for infertile couples who had children

after treatment, but this could reflect the greater severity of their

problems rather than the treatment itself, Dr Croughan said.

She told the American Society for Reproductive Medicine conference in

New Orleans:

" We are not finding significant differences between

different types of treatment. It seems to be the result of a baseline

risk across infertility patients.

" What has caused them to be unable to conceive goes on to cause

problems. It is as if a brick wall has stopped you becoming pregnant.

Treatment allows you to climb over the wall, but it is still there and

it goes on to cause problems. "

She added, however, that more investigation was needed to determine

whether treatment created an extra risk.

[Guest guest]

After seeing the many "interesting" theories that have recently been purported regarding the possible relationship of my son's regression into Autism and other factors, this one takes the cake. Kolin's father and I were 24 when he was concieved, he watched little or nor TV (PBS 6 yrs ago did not have that many programs and cable was not in our budget). But the last, very personal detail, he was conceived while birth control was used!!!! (We were fortunate that fertility was not a problem). I sincerely wish that real enviromental relationships and causality were looked into(as in enviromental, outside and inside the body), that would effect the many realms that families need to address, insurace coverage of medically necessary interventions, appropriate behavorial training outside of pharamcological usage and effective means of supporting families through the maze of services. AUS

[Guest guest]

Hey folks,

I don't this is as crazy an idea as it might first appear. In fact, I think it

fits the mercury

toxicity hypothesis very well. One effect of mercury toxicity can be

infertility. Below are a

few references to this effect. All of us today have much higher exposures to

mercury than

humans have generally had throughout history. Not only do we get bolus doses

from

vaccines and amalgams, but the concentration of mercury in our foods and in the

atmosphere are well above historic levels. If you subscribe to the toxic

tipping point idea,

it all fits in nicely.

Folks who are mercury toxic have more trouble getting pregnant, and when they do

their

offspring are more likely to already have a load of mercury, and possibly also

making them

less able to excrete mercury (assuming Andy Cutler and Boyd Haley's idea that

exposure to

mercury can cause reduced ability to excrete it is correct (BH asserted that the

" amalgam is

safe studies " of kids showed evidence of this.) One citation which I include at

the bottom

even suggests a possible mercury tie-in to the TV study. (Wild speculation

admittedly--

but it could explain the finding.)

I think when more folks realize that that a great many of us are victims of

mercury

poisoning to some degree or another, the battle will be much more easily won.

Take this

study and run with it--it may very well be the piece that wins the argument.

RESOLVE

looks to be a very good potential ally in this fight.

Cheers,

Sue

Heavy metals and fertility.

Gerhard I, Monga B, Waldbrenner A, Runnebaum B.

J Toxicol Environ Health A. 1998 Aug 21;54(8):593-611.

Department of Gynecological Endocrinology and Reproduction, University Hospital

of

Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Heidelberg, Germany.

Heavy metals have been identified as factors affecting human fertility. This

study was

designed to investigate whether the urinary heavy metal excretion is associated

with

different factors of infertility. The urinary heavy metal excretion was

determined in 501

infertile women after oral administration of the chelating agent 2,3-

dimercaptopropane-1-sulfonic acid (DMPS). Furthermore, the influence of trace

element

and vitamin administration on metal excretion was investigated. Significant

correlations

were found between different heavy metals and clinical parameters (age, body

mass index,

nationality) as well as gynecological conditions (uterine fibroids,

miscarriages, hormonal

disorders). Diagnosis and reduction of an increased heavy metal body load

improved the

spontaneous conception chances of infertile women. The DMPS test was a useful

and

complementary diagnostic method. Adequate treatment provides successful

alternatives to

conventional hormonal therapy.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051115/

POLLUTION15/TPEnvironment/

Gender is associated with some pollutants, such as dioxin, which causes

men who are heavily exposed to father more girls. Fertility drugs cause

more females to be born, as does smoking. Mercury exposure also leads to

more female births.

Methyl Mercury

In the 1950s, an outbreak of a severe neurologic disorder occurred around

Minamata Bay

in Kyushu, Japan. It was traced to fish that were contaminated with methyl

mercury, an

industrial catalyst that was flushed into the bay. Birds, cats, and people who

ate the fish

were affected. 22 An epidemic of cerebral palsy in children escaped notice until

1960; 40

cases were described before fishing in the bay was forbidden. 23 A cluster of

people with

strange behavior had occurred before the war in the same area, and to determine

whether

it, too, was attributable to methyl mercury, a study was made in 1975 of

mummified

umbilical cords, traditionally saved by Japanese. 24 The results showed that the

outbreak

could be traced back to 1928. 25 The lesson here is that when an environmental

disease

affects adults, one should look for an effect in infants who are born soon

after.

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from a press release from RESOLVE

: The National Infertility Association

http://biz./prnews/060216/neth024.html?.v=40

After more than five years of infertility treatment, including in vitro

fertilization, and three

miscarriages, and Jeff Virostko learned that contaminated well water on

their farm

in Indiana, containing high levels of mercury and manganese, may be the cause of

their

infertility.

" After countless testing and ruling out genetic problems, our doctors remain

concerned

that mercury in the well water may be the cause of our poor egg and sperm

quality,

resulting in our infertility, " said Jeff Virostko, 32, a vice president at a

school equipment

company. " Even though our own efforts to have a baby have not yet succeeded and

we are

still left with many unanswered questions, it is our hope that, with heightened

Federal

funding for research into the impact of environmental factors on fertility, more

and more

people like ourselves can be helped and avoid exposure to these environmental

risks. " ---

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sorry--I lost the link for this one:

High levels of mercury in the blood, possibly caused by eating a lot of seafood,

are

associated with infertility in men and women, researchers have found.

Infertility-mercury link measured

Researchers at the Chinese University of Hong Kong studied mercury levels in 157

infertile

couples and 26 fertile couples.

They found that 35% of the men and 23% of the women in the infertile group had

abnormally high blood mercury concentrations, compared with 15% of men and 3.8%

of

women in the fertile group.

Lead researcher Dr Choy and colleagues also compared how much seafood

the

couples ate and found that patients who reported eating more seafood tended to

have

higher blood mercury levels.

Seafood contaminated

The sea water around Hong Kong is contaminated with heavy metals, which may be

a

possible source of excessive mercury exposure, the researchers report in the

October

issue of the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology.

The correlation between the quantity of seafood consumed and blood mercury

concentrations suggests that higher seafood consumption may contribute to higher

blood

mercury concentrations, the researchers write.

High infertility rates

The researchers suggest that the mercury might disrupt sperm membrane

permeability or

motion in men. The link between female fertility and mercury is less clear,

although it

could cause cellular or genetic damage in the ovaries, the researchers suggest.

Infertility levels in China are high, with about one in six couples affected.

Forty percent of

infertility cases are linked to men and another 40% are due to female problems.

The researchers suggest cutting back on seafood consumption to avoid high blood

mercury levels. – (Health24)

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From Kennedy website

(http://www.toxicteeth.org/david-kennedy-dec2004.pdf -- I think)

Thyroid

Organic mercury causes severe damage to both the endocrine and neural systems.

Studies

have documented that mercury causes hypothyroidism, damage of thyroid RNA,

autoimmune thyroiditis (inflammation of the thyroid), and impairment of

conversion of

thyroid T4 hormone to the active T3 form. Large percentages of women have

elevated

levels of antithyroglobulin (anti-TG) or antithyroid peroxidase antibody

(anti-TP). Slight

imbalances of thyroid hormones in expectant mothers can cause permanent

neuropsychiatric damage in the developing fetus. Hypothyroidism is a

well-documented

cause of mental retardation. Maternal hypothyroidism appears to play a role in

at least

15% of children whose IQs are more than 1 standard deviation below the mean,

millions of

children. Studies have also established a clear association between the presence

of thyroid

antibodies and spontaneous abortions. Hypothyroidism is a risk factor in

spontaneous

abortions and infertility.

In pregnant women who suffer from hypothyroidism, there is a four-times greater

risk for

miscarriage during the second trimester than in those who don't. Women with

untreated

thyroid deficiency are four-times more likely to have a child with a

developmental

disability and lower I.Q. Mercury blocks thyroid hormone production by occupying

iodine-

binding sites and inhibiting hormone action even when the measured thyroid

levels

appears to be in the proper range. There are several aspects of iodine

deficiency and

hypothyroidism-related effects on fetal and perinatal brain development that can

be

aggravated or otherwise affected by the presence of mercury. Mercury has the

ability to

reduce cerebellar brain weight through significant reductions in total cell

populaton of the

cerebellum. Reductions of total body weight at birth are related to maternal

exposure to

mercury. Lead and mercury also have a direct effect on neuronal development

leading to

learning deficits. These are the same type of birth defects produced by maternal

iodine

deficiency and hypothyroidism.

Mercury can have a negative effect on both iodine and thyroid status. A pregnant

woman

with a mouthful of mercury amalgam fillings has a much greater chance of

experiencing

some degree of hypothyroidism and/or iodine deficiency during pregnancy than one

without amalgam fillings. Both the pituitary and the thyroid display an affinity

for

accumulating mercury. The enzymatic effects of mercury intoxication can be

overcome by

the administration of the thyroid hormone thyroxine. Through a feedback loop,

the

pituitary releases thyrotropin-releasing hormone (TRH), which in effect tells

the thyroid

how much thyroxine hormone to release into the blood. Mercury first stimulates

and then

suppresses the thyroid function. Chronic intake of mercury for more than ninety

days

results in signs of mercury poisoning, together with decreased uptake of iodine

and

depression of thyroid hormonal secretion.

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The Pollution in Newborns.

http://www.ewg.org/reports/bodyburden2/newsrelease.php

Environmental Working Group. 14 July 2005.

A new study confirms that chemical exposure begins in the womb, as

hundreds of industrial chemicals, pollutants and pesticides are pumped

back and forth from mother to baby through umbilical cord blood.

Laboratory tests of 10 American Red Cross cord blood samples found an

average of 200 contaminants. The pollutants included MERCURY, fire

retardants, pesticides and the Teflon chemical PFOA. In total, the babies'

blood had 287 chemicals, including 209 never before detected in cord

blood.

----------

From WestonAPrice website

Symptoms of Mercury Toxicity

Endocrinological: Chronic fatigue; subnormal temperature; excessive

perspiration; edema;

weight loss; cold, clammy hands and feet; muscle weakness; hypoxia (oxygen

deficiency in

the tissues); loss of appetite; joint pain; thyroid dysfunction; infertility.

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From:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/AMALGAM/EN/SCIENCE/dentist_health.html

"

Female dental technicians who work with amalgam have significantly

reduced fertility and lowered probability of conception(3,24,38,

121], and

their children have significantly lower average IQ compared to the

general

population(13). The level of mercury excreted in urine is

significantly higher for female dental assistants than

dentists(171,172,173,247). Several dental assistants have been

diagnosed

with mercury toxicity and some have died of related health

effects(245,246,247,248). "

----------

S.Ziff and M.Ziff, Infertility and Birth Defects: Is Mercury from Dental

Fillings a Hidden

Cause?, Bio-Probe, Inc. ISBN: 0-941011-03-8.1987

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And here is my wild speculation that might even tie the crazy TV study to

mercury

poisoning. Could EMF fields from TV's and Computers possibly cause more mercury

to be

circulating in the body, increasing fetal exposure in mercury toxic mom's?

See the findings of this study:

[Mercury and creatinine in urine of employees exposed to magnetic fields. A

study of a

group electrolysis-operators in Norzink A/S in Odda] [Article in Norwegian]

Schmidt F, Mannsaker.

Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen. 1997 Jan 20;117(2):199-202.

The results described are based on a study of 26 male cell house employees. They

were

exposed to a combination of static magnetic fields (3-10 mT) and low frequency

oscillating magnetic fields of variable frequency and strength for eight hours a

day over a

period of four weeks. Every fifth week was spent off work. Urine samples

collected at the

end of the four weeks of exposure were compared with samples collected at the

end of the

week off work. The results show that the cell house workers excreted

significantly more

mercury in their urine after exposure to magnetic fields (p = 0.01). The

mercury/creatinine

ratio was also significantly higher after exposure (p < 0.01). These results

support

findings by Schmidt in a study from 1992 when the levels of mercury and

creatinine in the

urine of cell house workers were compared with the levels in office personnel.

[Guest guest]

And on the other hand, there are those of us who had no trouble becoming pregnant, sometimes even many times over, and we still had children who were later diagnosed with ASD. I wondered whether or not these researchers made any attempts to differentiate between factors which may have caused infertility in the couples that they included in their study. From what I have read, it does not seem that they have. Now, even if "infertility" for some reason, has been found associated with developmental problems in future children, I don't find this association such a "crazy leap" as the TV and autism hypothesis seems to be. Let's not forget that the vaccines which have been pushed upon us and other parents who are younger, were not evaluated for their potential to cause carcinogenicity, genotoxicity, and reproductive impairment, JUST THE SAME AS MANY (IF NOT MOST) CURRENT VACCINES WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN

EVALUATED FOR THEIR POTENTIAL TO CAUSE THESE SORTS OF PROBLEMS. Yes, these vaccines can cause problems past the 42 days or so, that any of them were studied in their follow-ups. However, there will be little (if any record of these adverse effects, if they occur outside the windows of a clinical trial). Aasaschaferatsprynet <schafer@...> wrote: Move over TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = AutismFile:

Anything-ANYTHING-but-dirty-vaccines Department.-LennyInfertility link to autism in childrenFrom Mark , Science Editor in New Orleanshttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2422273,00.htmlCOUPLES who struggle to conceive are more likely to have a child witha serious medical disorder such as autism, cerebral palsy or cancer,scientists have found.The risk of developing problems by the age of 6 is 2.7 times higheramong children born to those with a history of infertility than inthose conceived without difficulty, according to US research. Thefindings offer the strongest evidence that medical obstacles tostarting a family can have repercussions for offspring.Assisted reproduction treatments could have an influence — but theraised risk also applied when a diagnosis of fertility problems

wasfollowed by a natural conception. Underlying infertility is thereforemore likely to be responsible.With infertility becoming both more common and more treatable, theresearch suggests that the incidence of some childhood conditionscould rise. One in seven British couples has difficulty conceiving,and 10,242 babies were born through IVF in 2003-04.Autism is diagnosed ten times more frequently than two decades ago —often because of improved recognition.Scientists emphasised that the absolute risk to infertile couples ofhaving a baby with a serious disorder remained low. Croughan, of the University of California, San Francisco,compared children born to 2,000 couples with infertility diagnosed andthose born to 2,000 couples who did not have problems conceiving.After adjusting for the higher maternal age and multiple birth rate inthe infertile group, Dr Croughan found that the risk of five

disorders— autism, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, seizures and cancer —was 2.7 times higher. The risk for autism alone was four times higher.Moderate developmental problems such as attention deficithyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities or serious sight orhearing disorders were also 40 per cent more common in this group.The relative risk was higher for infertile couples who had childrenafter treatment, but this could reflect the greater severity of theirproblems rather than the treatment itself, Dr Croughan said.She told the American Society for Reproductive Medicine conference inNew Orleans: "We are not finding significant differences betweendifferent types of treatment. It seems to be the result of a baselinerisk across infertility patients."What has caused them to be unable to conceive goes on to causeproblems. It is as if a brick wall has stopped you becoming pregnant.Treatment allows

you to climb over the wall, but it is still there andit goes on to cause problems."She added, however, that more investigation was needed to determinewhether treatment created an extra risk.

[Guest guest]

As in the tobacco litigation and to a lesser extent, the asbestos litigation purely because of timing (the genesis of which occurred concomitantly with the increased production of lawyers), those responsible for the damage will use whatever they can to deflect and distract.

It's annoying, but it's part of the process.

Just remember that as they come out with more and more whacked out theories, denoument becomes closer and closer.

After we laugh at "TV guy", in some ways we should thank him for his absurdity.

Re: Move over TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

And on the other hand, there are those of us who had no trouble becoming pregnant, sometimes even many times over, and we still had children who were later diagnosed with ASD.

I wondered whether or not these researchers made any attempts to differentiate between factors which may have caused infertility in the couples that they included in their study. From what I have read, it does not seem that they have. Now, even if "infertility" for some reason, has been found associated with developmental problems in future children, I don't find this association such a "crazy leap" as the TV and autism hypothesis seems to be. Let's not forget that the vaccines which have been pushed upon us and other parents who are younger, were not evaluated for their potential to cause carcinogenicity, genotoxicity, and reproductive impairment, JUST THE SAME AS MANY (IF NOT MOST) CURRENT VACCINES WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN EVALUATED FOR THEIR POTENTIAL TO CAUSE THESE SORTS OF PROBLEMS. Yes, these vaccines can cause problems past the 42 days or so, that any of them were studied in their follow-ups. However, there will be little (if any record of these adverse effects, if they occur outside the windows of a clinical trial).

Aasaschaferatsprynet <schafersprynet> wrote:

Move over TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = AutismFile: Anything-ANYTHING-but-dirty-vaccines Department.-LennyInfertility link to autism in childrenFrom Mark , Science Editor in New Orleanshttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2422273,00.htmlCOUPLES who struggle to conceive are more likely to have a child witha serious medical disorder such as autism, cerebral palsy or cancer,scientists have found.The risk of developing problems by the age of 6 is 2.7 times higheramong children born to those with a history of infertility than inthose conceived without difficulty, according to US research. Thefindings offer the strongest evidence that medical obstacles tostarting a family can have repercussions for offspring.Assisted reproduction treatments could have an influence — but theraised risk also applied when a diagnosis of fertility problems wasfollowed by a natural conception. Underlying infertility is thereforemore likely to be responsible.With infertility becoming both more common and more treatable, theresearch suggests that the incidence of some childhood conditionscould rise. One in seven British couples has difficulty conceiving,and 10,242 babies were born through IVF in 2003-04.Autism is diagnosed ten times more frequently than two decades ago —often because of improved recognition.Scientists emphasised that the absolute risk to infertile couples ofhaving a baby with a serious disorder remained low. Croughan, of the University of California, San Francisco,compared children born to 2,000 couples with infertility diagnosed andthose born to 2,000 couples who did not have problems conceiving.After adjusting for the higher maternal age and multiple birth rate inthe infertile group, Dr Croughan found that the risk of five disorders— autism, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, seizures and cancer —was 2.7 times higher. The risk for autism alone was four times higher.Moderate developmental problems such as attention deficithyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities or serious sight orhearing disorders were also 40 per cent more common in this group.The relative risk was higher for infertile couples who had childrenafter treatment, but this could reflect the greater severity of theirproblems rather than the treatment itself, Dr Croughan said.She told the American Society for Reproductive Medicine conference inNew Orleans: "We are not finding significant differences betweendifferent types of treatment. It seems to be the result of a baselinerisk across infertility patients."What has caused them to be unable to conceive goes on to causeproblems. It is as if a brick wall has stopped you becoming pregnant.Treatment allows you to climb over the wall, but it is still there andit goes on to cause problems."She added, however, that more investigation was needed to determinewhether treatment created an extra risk.

[Guest guest]

My husband can’t even rub up against

me without getting me pregnant!! -

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of schaferatsprynet

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006

6:37 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Move over TV,

Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

Move over TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

File: Anything-ANYTHING-but-dirty-vaccines Department.

-Lenny

Infertility link to autism in children

From Mark , Science Editor in New

Orleans

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2422273,00.html

COUPLES who struggle to conceive are more likely to have a child with

a serious medical disorder such as autism, cerebral palsy or cancer,

scientists have found.

The risk of developing problems by the age of 6 is 2.7 times higher

among children born to those with a history of infertility than in

those conceived without difficulty, according to US research. The

findings offer the strongest evidence that medical obstacles to

starting a family can have repercussions for offspring.

Assisted reproduction treatments could have an influence — but the

raised risk also applied when a diagnosis of fertility problems was

followed by a natural conception. Underlying infertility is therefore

more likely to be responsible.

With infertility becoming both more common and more treatable, the

research suggests that the incidence of some childhood conditions

could rise. One in seven British couples has difficulty conceiving,

and 10,242 babies were born through IVF in 2003-04.

Autism is diagnosed ten times more frequently than two decades ago —

often because of improved recognition.

Scientists emphasised that the absolute risk to infertile couples of

having a baby with a serious disorder remained low.

Croughan, of the University

of California, San

Francisco,

compared children born to 2,000 couples with infertility diagnosed and

those born to 2,000 couples who did not have problems conceiving.

After adjusting for the higher maternal age and multiple birth rate in

the infertile group, Dr Croughan found that the risk of five disorders

— autism, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, seizures and cancer —

was 2.7 times higher. The risk for autism alone was four times higher.

Moderate developmental problems such as attention deficit

hyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities or serious sight or

hearing disorders were also 40 per cent more common in this group.

The relative risk was higher for infertile couples who had children

after treatment, but this could reflect the greater severity of their

problems rather than the treatment itself, Dr Croughan said.

She told the American Society for Reproductive Medicine conference in

New Orleans:

" We are not finding significant differences between

different types of treatment. It seems to be the result of a baseline

risk across infertility patients.

" What has caused them to be unable to conceive goes on to cause

problems. It is as if a brick wall has stopped you becoming pregnant.

Treatment allows you to climb over the wall, but it is still there and

it goes on to cause problems. "

She added, however, that more investigation was needed to determine

whether treatment created an extra risk.

[Guest guest]

You have to teach him there's a difference between cuddling and nooky!

>

> My husband can't even rub up against me without getting me pregnant!!

> -

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nooky? What’s Nooky? Since the MMR

we haven’t been able to sleep in the same bed without visitors. It’s

a miracle I had a 3rd child!

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Nanstiel

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006

1:22 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Move over

TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

You have to teach him there's a difference between

cuddling and nooky!

>

> My husband can't even rub up against me without getting me pregnant!!

> -

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What do sleep and nooky (nookie?) have to

do with each other? And what do a bed and conception have to do with each

other either? Geez people, live a little. J

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Chap 'n Ali

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006

1:52 PM

EOHarm

Subject: RE: Re: Move

over TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

Nooky? What’s Nooky? Since the MMR we

haven’t been able to sleep in the same bed without visitors.

It’s a miracle I had a 3rd child!

From: EOHarm

[mailto:EOHarm ]

On Behalf Of Nanstiel

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006

1:22 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Move over

TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

You have

to teach him there's a difference between cuddling and nooky!

>

> My husband can't even rub up against me without getting me pregnant!!

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It’s a damn fine line, . J

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Nanstiel

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006

1:22 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Move over

TV, Old Farts -- Now it's Parental Bad Plumbing = Autism

You have to teach him there's a difference between

cuddling and nooky!

>

> My husband can't even rub up against me without getting me pregnant!!

> -

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

These so called researchers must all be tossing out there lame-brain

ideas in hopes of Pulitzer prize or something. I'm going to put

mine on the table. Tru-Green lawn service is the cause for the

dramatic increase in autism. That's right folks, you heard it hear

first. Watch for me on the cover of Time magazine.

> >

> > My husband can't even rub up against me without getting me

pregnant!!

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[Guest guest]

http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/fhgupdate/Q/Q2.shtml#invitroDefects

In-vitro fertilization may cause birth defects, low birth weight

It's been 24 years since the first baby was conceived with the help

of in-vitro fertilization (IVF), bringing hope to thousands of

childless couples. In 1999 alone, over 30,000 babies were born in

America with the help of artificial reproductive technologies (ART),

including IVF. Since then, an estimated 300,000 IVF babies have been

born worldwide. But this revolutionary way to overcome infertility

is not risk-free. Two new studies published in the March 7, 2002,

issue of the New England Journal of Medicine suggest that ART babies

are more likely to be born with birth defects and low birth weights

than newborns conceived naturally.

In IVF the man's sperm and the women's egg are combined in a

laboratory dish. After fertilization, the resulting embryo is then

transferred to the women's uterus to develop naturally. A special

IVF procedure called intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI), where

the sperm is injected directly into the egg, can also be used for

severe male infertility.

ARTs, including IVF, increase the risk of multiple births because

several embryos are usually transferred to the uterus at one time to

increase the probability of a successful pregnancy. But this

practice is controversial because multiple births are associated

with low birth weight, which puts the newborn at an increased risk

for short- and long-term disabilities and even death. However, in

one of the new studies, researchers with the U.S. Centers for

Disease Control found that even ART babies born alone were 2.6 times

as likely to have a low birth weight than a naturally conceived

single infant.

In the other study, Australian researchers found that about 9% of

the 301 IVF babies studied had birth defects, such as heart trouble,

stunted limbs, Down syndrome, and cleft palate, compared to only

4.2% of the 4,000 naturally conceived babies studied. The risk was

still more than doubled when multiple births were not considered.

Neither these nor previous studies have been able to identify

whether the reason for the excess risk of low birth weight and birth

defects is related to the underlying infertility itself or to the

procedures and drugs used to overcome it.

To many advocates of assisted reproduction, the results of these

studies aren't necessarily frightening, but reassuring. They look at

them and celebrate that more than 90% of IVF babies are born

healthy. But regardless of the interpretation of the numbers,

couples looking for help with fertility should consider these risks.

May 2002 Update