{Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} Re: Re: twoweasleys; question from last year

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-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of G. KingSent: Monday, July 17, 2006 9:28 PMEOHarm ; twoweasleys@...Subject: {Disarmed} Re: Re: twoweasleys; question from last year

(twoweasleys),Your initial statement was:>>From my understanding, the trace amounts >of thimerosal are not "biologically active",>but I have not bothered to look up the >original JAMA paper on which that assessment>is based. >Apparently you were mistaken.Moreover, your current non-responsive reply: >This is very very interesting. I could swear> that this table:>>http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3>>used to have a footnote that stated that the >"trace amount" in the new vaccines was >"biologically inactive" and quoted a JAMA paper>for that.>I should have checked it right away. This page:>>http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm>>still states that the trace amount is not >"clinically significant" without a quote. How >irritating.>>However, my statement to Debi remains: right now, >even the children who receive the flu vaccine >with the whole thimerosal content will receive >less thimerosal in 2 years than the children >who received the old DTP vaccine. If thimerosal >in vaccines caused autism, why have the rates not >dropped to the pre-1990 numbers?>again attempts to:a. Fabricate facts, which do not exist, to support your position, andb. Raise issues, which clearly indicate thatyou do NOT understand, including, but not limited to:i. The nature of the systemic mercury poisoning induced by Thimerosal,and/orii. How much more insidiously mercury toxic it is to the developing fetuswhen a Thimerosal-preserved influenza vaccine is administered to a pregnantwoman WITHOUT the PROOF OF SAFETY asrequired for giving a TERATOGEN (MUTAGEN) at any level to a pregnantwoman.First, your statement, "still states that the trace amount is not 'clinically significant'" clearly establishes that US FDA recognizes "trace amounts" of Thimerosal are biologically active, the ISSUE that you raised in your previouspost to this group!Next, as you probably know, BUT refuse to admit, if you want the level of clinically observed mercury poisoning to drop to pre-Thimerosal levels, you would need to remove it from all vaccines and other mercury-containing drugs, recall and destroy all existing doses of any mercury-containing drug, and then wait at least 5 years.Had the healthcare establishment (including the government) kept their 1999 promise and removed all Thimerosal from all of the drug-making processesthat produced Thimerosal-containing drugs and recalled and destroyed ALLthe doses thereof, we would have seen this dramatic drop.However, knowing the reality of the fallout, that would follow this drop the healthcare has not only knowingly broken that promise but knowingly added Thimerosal to the childhood vaccination schedule by adding an ineffective Thimerosal-preserved fluvaccine to that vaccination schedule and, apparently to ensure that the level of harm did not drop, made the recommendation that ALL pregnant women get a Thimerosal-preserved flu shot ifthey will be pregnant during the "flu season."Thus, your statements:>>However, my statement to Debi remains: >right now, even the children who >receive the flu vaccine with the whole>thimerosal content will receive less >thimerosal in 2 years than the >children who received the old DTP >vaccine. If thimerosal in vaccines>caused autism, why have the rates not >dropped to the pre-1990 numbers?>:a. Forget that, including the dose of Thimerosal-preserved flu vaccine pregnant women get, the specific dose (dose per weight of the child) will be much greater than the overall pre-1990 dose where, in general, the flu shotwas NOT given to pregnant women at anytime in their pregnancy when the fetuses (who have been shown to preferentially absorb the Thimerosaldose administered) may weigh as littleas a few grams and, regardless of thefetuses' weights when their mother isinjected, have NO fully developed mercury detoxification systems since these usually do not mature UNTIL after the children are born, andb. All other factors being "equal," it isthe SPECIFIC DOSE (dose/kg of body mass), and NOT the dose, that MATTERS - see, for example, the US EPA guideline for the suggested no-effect level (which isat least an order of magnitude higher than, based on what we now know, it should be for INJECTED mercury [Thimerosal {49.55% mercury by weight}]) for INGESTED mercury [0.1 micrograms of mercury per kilogram of body mass per day]. Hopefully, you will, as I suggested,a. Cease from making unsupported and knowingly misleading comments in this area,b. Support the US ban on all drugs whose safety has NOT been proven in all manners required by US statute (21 U.S.C. Section351(a)(2)() or US laws (21 CFR Parts210 and 211 for all mercury-containing drugs, and, for PRESERVED biological drugs, 21 CFR Section 610.15(a) -- EVEN WHEN they have been: i. Apparently illegally licensed by the US government (US FDA) since 1973 if NOT 1962 (see the 1988 unanimous US Supreme Courtdecision in Berkovitz versus USA)or ii. Illegally recommended for a dangerous off-label use (CDC's recommendation for the off-labeluse of the flu shot for ALL women who are pregnant during the "flu" season).c. Do the research needed to understandthe complex realities and implicationsof the INJECTION of Thimerosal-containing drugs into pregnant women (mercury poisoning the fetus --sometimes to death -- resulting in an abortion) and babies, andd. JOIN in the remove to have Thimerosaland all other mercury-containing drugsfrom all of medicine and stop using mercury-based amalgams in dentistry. IF: You do not, THEN: It will be crystal clear that,no matter what you say, that youare OPPOSED to stopping the UNNECESSARY mercury poisoning ofhuman beings by medicine and dentistry from the time of conception until the day each human dies.The clear choices are yours -- CHOOSE!Respectfully,Dr. Kinghttp://www.dr-king.comPS: With respect to my last rapid response to you, in my point "3, "the text reading:>>and their authors have not >only failed to disclose the >authors' conflicts of interest >as well as, in some cases, >their financial and other ties>to the US CDC (Center for >Disease Control & Prevention).]>was meant to read:>>and their authors have not >only failed to FULLY disclose >the authors' conflicts of >interest as well as, in some >cases, their financial and other>ties to the US CDC (Center for >Disease Control & Prevention).]>Please correct that post and also correct any obvious typographical errors that you find in it because there are a few.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++At 20:31 7/17/06 -0000, twoweasleys wrote:>>Dear ,>>let's see one by one:>>> 1. Please provide the published reference(s)>> that support your:>> > >> >From my understanding, the trace amounts >> >of thimerosal are not "biologically active",>> >but I have not bothered to look up the >> >original JAMA paper on which that assessment>> >is based. >>This is very very interesting. I could swear that this table:>>http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3>>used to have a footnote that stated that the "trace amount" in the new>vaccines was "biologically inactive" and quoted a JAMA paper for that.>I should have checked it right away. This page:>>http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm>>still states that the trace amount is not "clinically significant">without a quote. How irritating.>>However, my statement to Debi remains: right now, even the children>who receive the flu vaccine with the whole thimerosal content will>receive less thimerosal in 2 years than the children who received the>old DTP vaccine. If thimerosal in vaccines caused autism, why have the>rates not dropped to the pre-1990 numbers?>>Debi,>>I think I have stated very clearly that I think thimerosal should not>be in vaccines. However, if a person needs protection from a certain>disease and the only vaccine available contains thimerosal (or traces>thereof), I am all for using that vaccine.>>>>>>>

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